Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
Speaker 3: I'm still Shari markson last time I checked. Good evening.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the program. Tonight of battle lines drawn as
Speaker 3: New South Wales Premier Chris Mins hits out at the
Speaker 3: Albanzi government over the goldmine debacle, and Barnaby Joyce and
Speaker 3: Matt Keane go head to head on energy, Barnaby accusing
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister's new Climate Authority chair of living in
Speaker 3: the Wizard of Oz. The Daily Telegraph editor Ben English
Speaker 3: would join me shortly. Plus Albanezi embarrassed on the world stage.
Speaker 3: I'll speak with my panel about his hot mic moment shortly.
Speaker 3: And can Kamala Harris be president if she needs her
Speaker 3: running mate to hold her hand for her first sit
Speaker 3: down interview. I'm going to come to that in just
Speaker 3: a moment, but first, Chris Mins has hit out at
Speaker 3: Tanya Plibasek for killing off the billion dollar gold mine.
Speaker 3: It's a staggering battle between New Southell's labor and the
Speaker 3: Albanezy government over the mine that's planned for Blaney near
Speaker 3: Orange and Mens didn't hold back in his support for
Speaker 3: the mine. In an interview at the Daily Telegraphs Bush
Speaker 3: summit today, following on from remarks he first made yesterday.
Speaker 2: We wanted to go ahead. We think it's too important
Speaker 2: for Blaney for regional economies. I had a meeting this
Speaker 2: morning with the Mayor of Blaney about this particular issue.
Speaker 2: I want to send a message that we're open for business.
Speaker 2: I'm disappointed by the decision from the Commonwealth Government.
Speaker 4: You disagree with the reversim to live.
Speaker 2: I said that many times and.
Speaker 5: So in your view, tenure Plebasik using that power was
Speaker 5: Shubazi error.
Speaker 3: Yes, and Opposition Leader Peter Dutton also weighed into this today,
Speaker 3: saying the Albanezy government was ruining the economy.
Speaker 6: When you get ten year Plubusk closing a mind for votes,
Speaker 6: you know that this government's gone off track. This government
Speaker 6: is doing an enormous amount of damage to the economy
Speaker 6: and I think Australians are starting to see through that.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: The New South I was premier, had earlier said he
Speaker 3: was disappointed and he quoted the Land Council submission that
Speaker 3: said we question the motives of people and organizations who
Speaker 3: participate in promoting unsubstantiated claims and seek to hijack Aboriginal
Speaker 3: cultural heritage in order to push other agendas and there
Speaker 3: had already been five years of processes and approvals, but
Speaker 3: then Plebisk stepped in at the eleventh hour to block it.
Speaker 3: She cited Section ten of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Speaker 3: Islander Protection Act. She said that she took the advice
Speaker 3: of the Wiriji Traditional Owners over the Orange Local Aboriginal
Speaker 3: Land Council, which had no objections to the mine going ahead.
Speaker 7: The Rotary Traditional Owners Central West Aboriginal Corporation is the
Speaker 7: group that I've acted to. They have asked me to
Speaker 7: act to protect this area as cotually significant and I've
Speaker 7: taken their advice that it is culturally significant for them.
Speaker 7: This is the same group of people that the previous
Speaker 7: Environment Minister Susan Lay listened to.
Speaker 3: But one prominent Wirajuri man, who is also a former
Speaker 3: chair of the New South Wales Aboriginal Land Council, said
Speaker 3: that Indigenous culture was being hijacked for other agendas, and
Speaker 3: he said he'd never heard of artists, Nirie Reynolds, all
Speaker 3: the eighteen members of the Wirerajury owners that are now
Speaker 3: objecting to the.
Speaker 8: Mind, why all people be rolling in their grave if
Speaker 8: they knew that our culture has been hijacked for hidden agendas,
Speaker 8: and it's.
Speaker 4: Not right.
Speaker 3: In those comments. Also today the Bush Summit, there was
Speaker 3: a lot of news coming out of it. As I said,
Speaker 3: we're going to get to ben English in a minute.
Speaker 3: But Tanya plubisk is now in a way trying to
Speaker 3: walk back or explain away her decision. She says the
Speaker 3: mind can go ahead, but in a different location. She
Speaker 3: says she only objects to the location of the tailings down.
Speaker 7: My job as the Environment Minister is to protect aberiginal
Speaker 7: in terres strait is under cultural heritage, and that's what
Speaker 7: I'm doing well.
Speaker 3: It seems, and this is what critics are accusing her
Speaker 3: of of making a decision on a whim by passing
Speaker 3: the five years' worth of approvals by both state and
Speaker 3: federal departments. And it's understood that Plimisek is frustrated at
Speaker 3: this scrutiny. Even her own Prime Minister is struggling to
Speaker 3: defend her.
Speaker 9: Chris Minz would like it to go ahead. I'd like
Speaker 9: to go ahead too. There's nothing to stop it.
Speaker 3: There are other options, nothing to stop it. Only his
Speaker 3: own minister unrival Tanya Plimisek. But this isn't just about
Speaker 3: one gold mine. What's important here is the message that
Speaker 3: this sends about Australia's reliability to potential investors. It says
Speaker 3: that investing in Australia is too high a risk to take.
Speaker 3: But the Prime Minister isn't across the detail of what
Speaker 3: any of his ministers are doing, and this is part
Speaker 3: of the problem. And Albinizi seemed far more annoyed at
Speaker 3: a journalist today recording him having an informal conversation in
Speaker 3: public with a US official than he did with Plebisex's decision.
Speaker 3: It's only when a hot mess explodes with a popular
Speaker 3: labor premier coming out against his own side that Albanezi
Speaker 3: bothers to pay attention. Now. Kamala Harris wants to be
Speaker 3: the leader of the free world, taking on the West's
Speaker 3: enemies in China, Iran and Russia. Well, how can she
Speaker 3: hold that ambition if she needs her running mate to
Speaker 3: hold her hand during her first media interview. Harris wants
Speaker 3: to be president of the US, yet she's been too
Speaker 3: scared to face any serious scrutiny. In the five weeks
Speaker 3: since Joe Biden backed out of the race, Kamala Harris
Speaker 3: has not done one tough interview. She has finally agreed
Speaker 3: to front up and she'll do her first interview Thursday night,
Speaker 3: US time eleven am tomorrow our time. But there's a catch.
Speaker 3: It's with a friendly journalist on a left leaning media outlet.
Speaker 3: It's a pre record, not live, and she won't do
Speaker 3: it alone. Her running mate Tim Walls will be there
Speaker 3: beside her. Kamala Harris has chosen CNN host Dana Bash
Speaker 3: to do the interview, and it's not hard to work
Speaker 3: out why when you look at what Dana has said
Speaker 3: about Kamala and the Democrats in the past.
Speaker 10: I just want to do a little bit of record correcting. No,
Speaker 10: there's not record crime right now. Number one, Harris was
Speaker 10: put in charges, you said earlier of combating the roots
Speaker 10: of immigration. She was not and is not.
Speaker 3: The borders are.
Speaker 10: I've spent time with Doug Emhoff. By the way, side note,
Speaker 10: I just have to get this in there because I
Speaker 10: love this. The video that played before his speech, narrated
Speaker 10: by their son. His ex wife produced it. Right, there's
Speaker 10: a lot for President Biden to tout. Americans don't seem
Speaker 10: to be giving him the credit. Why is that and
Speaker 10: what does he have to do to.
Speaker 3: Turn that around.
Speaker 10: The former president falsely claimed that the vice president quote
Speaker 10: happened to turn black for political reasons. You are the
Speaker 10: only black woman right now serving in the US Senate?
Speaker 10: What do you make of all this?
Speaker 3: And as for doing the interview with Tim Walls, well,
Speaker 3: even all the CNN commentators have criticized Kamala Harris for this.
Speaker 11: I think it's incredibly weak, weak sauce to show up
Speaker 11: with your running mate, the fact that they don't have
Speaker 11: enough confidence in her to let her sit herself the
Speaker 11: actual top of the ticket and do a single interview.
Speaker 11: In fact, I think the hand ringing and the gyrations
Speaker 11: over this over the last month show a troubling lack
Speaker 11: of confidence in her political ability, which also makes you wonder,
Speaker 11: as a voter, well, what kind of president would you
Speaker 11: be if this kind of a small time decision? Can
Speaker 11: we do an interview or not? What does that look
Speaker 11: like for your decision making process?
Speaker 3: Now, if CNN doesn't do a tough interview, it will
Speaker 3: destroy what's left of the credibility of their news network.
Speaker 3: The Australian's Washington correspondent Adam Crichton says that CNN needs
Speaker 3: to ask why does she now support a border wall
Speaker 3: that she once dubbed medieval. Why is she now an
Speaker 3: advocate for fracking after stating there is no question I'm
Speaker 3: in favor of banning fracking, And why is there still
Speaker 3: not a single policy listed at KamalaHarris dot com. But
Speaker 3: Crichton says her strategy of not speaking to the media
Speaker 3: has been working. It's been effective. She's just ahead of
Speaker 3: Trump in national polls and this is a stunning turnaround
Speaker 3: in a little over a month. Now. Trump is also
Speaker 3: to blame for this. He's been criticized for sharing a
Speaker 3: sexist post that implies Kamala Harris only got to her
Speaker 3: position owing to sexual favors. And Donald Trump hasn't yet
Speaker 3: successfully reframed his political campaign to target Kamala Harris. But
Speaker 3: Trump's many faults, flaws, and foibles are well known to
Speaker 3: the American public. He is by now a known quantity.
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris isn't. In fact, The Wall Street Journal editorial
Speaker 3: board says she's the least known presidential candidate in modern
Speaker 3: history and has had the least amount of media scrutiny.
Speaker 3: The paper's editorial says that having was as a chaperone
Speaker 3: in this interview with a parachute to rescue her is
Speaker 3: an insult to American voters. They said the vice president
Speaker 3: was handed the nomination in an inside job a month ago.
Speaker 3: Her views on the crucial issues she'd confront as president
Speaker 3: aren't clear, and what do we know has been dribbled
Speaker 3: out in campaign press statements that we are supposed to
Speaker 3: accept is her real views? Her campaign speeches amount to
Speaker 3: little more than gausey rehetoric and vibes. Her strategy is
Speaker 3: to float at forty thousand feet from here to November,
Speaker 3: when we will all learn what she really intends as president,
Speaker 3: or perhaps more accurately, what her advisors and the Barack
Speaker 3: Obama aids now running her campaign intent. They say, how
Speaker 3: can we know what is true if miss Harris dodges
Speaker 3: serious questioning? I think those points by the Wall Street
Speaker 3: Journal editorial board are accurate and strong. And isn't Kamala
Speaker 3: embarrassed that she can't handle a media interview on her own?
Speaker 3: How can she possibly tell Americans to elect her when
Speaker 3: she's too scared of holding her own with journalists? And
Speaker 3: how can Americans expect her to stand up to the
Speaker 3: ayatolas of Iran president? She or putin if she can't
Speaker 3: even face a tough interview with a single American journalist.
Speaker 3: If Kamala Harris wins in November, many political analysts have
Speaker 3: said she would be the most left leaning president to
Speaker 3: sit in the Oval office. Her positions on foreign and
Speaker 3: economic policy aren't just a matter of critical importance to
Speaker 3: the United States, but they've got reverberations globally too. Still
Speaker 3: regretting the blowtoch that they apply to Hillary Clinton, the
Speaker 3: establishment media in the US are now rolling out the
Speaker 3: red carpet for Kamala without so much as a raised
Speaker 3: eyebrow over her inconsistent policy positions. Those running for the
Speaker 3: highest office need to be subject to more scrutiny. All right,
Speaker 3: let's bring in now tonight's panel, National Senator Matt Canavan
Speaker 3: and The Australian's National affairs editor Joe Kelly. Welcome to
Speaker 3: you both. Matt, let's start with this issue. What's your
Speaker 3: view of the fact that mainstream media outlets in the
Speaker 3: US have failed comprehensively failed to interrogate what Kamala Harris's
Speaker 3: policies actually are, what she's taking to the election, what
Speaker 3: she stands for.
Speaker 12: Look, it is.
Speaker 5: Concerning you'd hope in any open, transparent democracy you get
Speaker 5: a proper scrutiny of all candidates. Certainly does seem some
Speaker 5: sections of the media era are not really playing the
Speaker 5: job as watchdogs, the cheerleaders. Cheerleaders for one side, and
Speaker 5: really you're getting a situation now where Joe Biden, when
Speaker 5: he was running from the basement, was doing more interviews
Speaker 5: during COVID lockdowns. Then you're getting from Carmla Harris here,
Speaker 5: who's trying to run a very scriptive campaign. So look,
Speaker 5: I think it is also very concerning for the world
Speaker 5: in a situation where we really don't know who's leading
Speaker 5: the US right now. We've got a lot of challenges
Speaker 5: around the world, a lot of conflicts going on, and
Speaker 5: the US is the world leader in these things. Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: there's a bit of a backing right now.
Speaker 3: Exactly a lot of people say, oh, this is up
Speaker 3: to the American people, and obviously they're the only ones
Speaker 3: who get devote but actually it is a matter that
Speaker 3: concerns all of us. You know, if the US goes
Speaker 3: into a recession, well that's a problem for us here
Speaker 3: as well. Not to mention foreign policy, Joe I mentioned
Speaker 3: there that Donald Trump is a known quantity to Australians
Speaker 3: to Americans. For all his faults, they know him, but
Speaker 3: there seems to be more style than substance. The Wall
Speaker 3: Street Journal calls it a vibe when it comes to
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris's campaign.
Speaker 13: What do you think, well, Sherry, I think it's very
Speaker 13: good that Kamala Harris has agreed to do an interview
Speaker 13: with mainstream media. Sure it's CNN, shor it's with DNA Bash,
Speaker 13: who had very positive things to say about Kamala Harris's
Speaker 13: speech at the Democratic National Convention, but she was criticized
Speaker 13: for not talking to the mainstream media, and as Adam A.
Speaker 13: Crichton has said, that seems to be working for us
Speaker 13: so far. So I think it's good that she is
Speaker 13: fronting up and doing an interview to begin with the
Speaker 13: issue about whether Tim Waltz is there as a crutch
Speaker 13: to hold her hand. I'm not sure if that's a
Speaker 13: request from the Democratic team, whether that was part of
Speaker 13: the request from CNN. At the end of the day,
Speaker 13: it's all going to boil down to her performance, how
Speaker 13: effective she is at actually answering some of those questions
Speaker 13: about the flip flopping. If you remember the campaign that
Speaker 13: was run against John Kerry on the flip flop issue
Speaker 13: back in two thousand and four. It was very effective,
Speaker 13: very devastating against him. So she will need to be effective.
Speaker 13: And I share your hope that it is a serious
Speaker 13: interview and that she has asked some tough questions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she does need to be able to explain
Speaker 3: if she has changed those positions and how and what
Speaker 3: has changed. Now let's turn to domestic politics. Although the
Speaker 3: PM is of course overseas, and he was caught on
Speaker 3: a hot mic moment, as you call it. This was
Speaker 3: on the sideline of the Pacific Islands Forum. He was
Speaker 3: saying to Kurt Campbell that perhaps their four hundred million
Speaker 3: dollar Pacific Policing Initiative could be shared the cost. He
Speaker 3: was kind of joking about it.
Speaker 9: Have a look, we had a cracker today getting the
Speaker 9: Pacific Policing initiative.
Speaker 8: This fantastic.
Speaker 4: It is so important made.
Speaker 11: It's a script and I talked with Kevin about it then,
Speaker 11: so you know we were going to do something of
Speaker 11: the s S ninety.
Speaker 14: So we did nothing. We're just having a chat giving
Speaker 14: you a void.
Speaker 4: Take theween.
Speaker 1: Half.
Speaker 9: He's on the cost if you like.
Speaker 3: So Kirk Campbell very clearly there said we were going
Speaker 3: to do something, but I spoke to Kevin. Kevin right,
Speaker 3: he asked us to hold back, so you know, we
Speaker 3: let you have the runway. Albanezy wasn't too impressed that
Speaker 3: a journalist took and posted the video. Have a look.
Speaker 3: The video is what it is.
Speaker 14: Someone.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's up to them to whoever did that, to
Speaker 9: think about their own ethics when it comes to journalism.
Speaker 9: There was a private conversation. It was a jovial conversation,
Speaker 9: a friendly one. You know, it is what it is.
Speaker 3: Look, Matt, it was in a public place. It's an
Speaker 3: issue of public interest. It wasn't like they were in
Speaker 3: a private room. They were standing there, open in the public.
Speaker 3: So did the New Zealand radio journalist do anything wrong here? Well, look,
Speaker 3: first of.
Speaker 5: All, Shario actually don't have a problem with what Albaneze said.
Speaker 5: It was a bit of a lame joke. But who
Speaker 5: cares was a joke.
Speaker 6: I don't care.
Speaker 5: There's nothing really in it. But I think that's what
Speaker 5: this shows is the Prime Minister seems to have more
Speaker 5: glass in his jaw than a modern skyscraper building. It's
Speaker 5: not the first time he's reacted like this. I mean
Speaker 5: he could have just brushed this off. Instead he's gone
Speaker 5: on the attack on some journalists, poor journalists doing their job.
Speaker 5: We saw a few months ago that when the Prime
Speaker 5: Minister where the promise to try to support the crackdown
Speaker 5: on so called misinformation X, a number of people made
Speaker 5: means about him and put clown faces on his face,
Speaker 5: and he was papoplectic about it, like you wanted a
Speaker 5: sense of people from making fun of the Prime Minister.
Speaker 5: I just think it needs to develop a bit of
Speaker 5: a tougher skin here. He's the nation's leader. You're going
Speaker 5: to be subject to criticisms sometimes, sometimes some semi brow
Speaker 5: embarrassing stuff like this comes out. Just get on with
Speaker 5: your job, mate, and stop trying to protect your own
Speaker 5: image so much in such a clumsy way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll watch what you say in public. Joe Kelly,
Speaker 3: what's your take on this? And also that suggestion from
Speaker 3: Kurt Campbell that Australia asked the US to take a
Speaker 3: backward step. I mean he didn't explain exactly what he
Speaker 3: meant there, but to take a backward step so Australia
Speaker 3: could have the limelight to make this announcement.
Speaker 13: Well, the first thing I think, Sherry, is that the
Speaker 13: Prime Minister could have turned this, I think into a
Speaker 13: good news story if he had sort of more of
Speaker 13: a knack at being able to do that. I don't
Speaker 13: think think, as Matt said, there was anything wrong with
Speaker 13: what the Prime Minister said. In fact, I think there
Speaker 13: was some revealing insights into some positive things. That the
Speaker 13: relationship between him and Kurt Campbell is obviously very good.
Speaker 13: They've got a rapport, the US is very interested in
Speaker 13: the Pacific and the Pacific Policing Initiative, and even the
Speaker 13: involvement of Kevin Rudd. I think could have all had
Speaker 13: a positive Albanese could have put a positive spin on
Speaker 13: all of that rather than take shots at the journalist
Speaker 13: in question. In terms of the specific question about Kevin Rudd.
Speaker 13: I even think that perhaps Albanese could have said, well,
Speaker 13: this shows that the US understands Australia's leadership role in
Speaker 13: the region, and that Australia has a leadership role to
Speaker 13: play and they're giving us the leeway to do that.
Speaker 13: I mean, we don't know exactly what Kurt Campbell was
Speaker 13: referring to, but I think the Prime Minister could most
Speaker 13: certainly have put a positive spin on the whole thing,
Speaker 13: but instead it's become a negative news story.
Speaker 3: Show Yeah. Indeed, now Peter Dutton has taken aim at
Speaker 3: Jim Charmers, the Treasurer, over his comments saying that Dutton
Speaker 3: is the most divisive leader of a major political party
Speaker 3: in Australian history. He was Dutton with Ray Hadley earlier today.
Speaker 4: What he's talking about is the Voice and we took
Speaker 4: a position on the Voice to vote against it. And
Speaker 4: if I'm racist as a result of that or divisive
Speaker 4: as a result of that, well he's accusing millions of
Speaker 4: the strains of exactly the same crime. The Prime Minister
Speaker 4: promised a kind of gentler parliament and it's anything but
Speaker 4: I mean, if you disagree with this government or you
Speaker 4: call out their failures all of a sudden, you're dangerous.
Speaker 3: Matt. I spoke to Scott Morrison about this a couple
Speaker 3: of days ago and he says that Labour used the
Speaker 3: same political attack on him that they're now using on Dutton,
Speaker 3: playing the man rather than the ball. What do you think?
Speaker 5: I think Scott's exactly right. When these guys were in opposition,
Speaker 5: they unleashed one of the most negative campaigns you've ever
Speaker 5: seen against the Prime Minister. I mean, he was pillory
Speaker 5: for just taking a family holiday in Hawaii. They played
Speaker 5: that relentlessly for years now. Look, I'm not complaining about that.
Speaker 5: That's politics, that's life, and we had to live with
Speaker 5: that and live with the results of that. But again
Speaker 5: it comes back to the glassdoor nature of this government.
Speaker 5: They just can't seem to handle any disagreement or criticism,
Speaker 5: and I don't think that's a good sign for our country.
Speaker 5: You'd want a government to be a bit more resilient
Speaker 5: about to cop the fact that sometimes people will disagree
Speaker 5: with you and to come out with absurd comparison take
Speaker 5: you the most deviceive ever. I mean, Jim Chalmers did
Speaker 5: his PhD on Paul Keating on economics. He did it
Speaker 5: on Paul Keating. I I don't think he learnt much
Speaker 5: because his barbs are nowhere near Paul Keating. He's not
Speaker 5: the second coming of Paul Keating, and maybe he needs
Speaker 5: to work on his material a bit more.
Speaker 3: Joe. As frustrating as this would be for Peter Dart
Speaker 3: and the Coalition, it has proven to be an effective strategy,
Speaker 3: isn't it painting? An individual as divisive or racist. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's nothing that we agree with or think is accurate.
Speaker 3: But for the Labor Party it's going to work for them.
Speaker 13: Well, I'm not convinced it will work. It has worked
Speaker 13: in the past, Charry, as we saw so effectively with
Speaker 13: the character assassination of Scott Morrison that was waged relentlessly
Speaker 13: by Anthony Albanesi. But you have to remember that was
Speaker 13: a campaign waged against a prime minister from an opposition leader.
Speaker 13: Labor is now in government and I don't know if
Speaker 13: it's as effective going the other way. And I thought
Speaker 13: it was unusual that Jim Charmers used the latter part
Speaker 13: of his curtain oration to launch this attack against Peter Dutton,
Speaker 13: this character attack, and I think there was an element
Speaker 13: of defensiveness from Jim Charmers during the week. I mean
Speaker 13: it was a significant week in terms of economic data.
Speaker 13: The inflation figures came out and he was still getting
Speaker 13: questions about his political attack on Peter Durrant. But Peter
Speaker 13: Dutton when he was responding to the inflation figures. So
Speaker 13: I'm not sure if that's I'm not sure if that
Speaker 13: is the best look. I'm not sure it will be
Speaker 13: as successful as the campaign that they launched against Scott Morrison.
Speaker 13: And I do think there is an element of hypocrisy
Speaker 13: over it, given that the government's under pressure over the
Speaker 13: visas given to people fleeing Gaza, and also what happened
Speaker 13: with the voice reference.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, and if anyone, as I've said, is
Speaker 3: dividing the country, it's alb and easy by bringing in
Speaker 3: potential HARMUS supporters that could just further erode the lack
Speaker 3: of social cohesion we're already seeing on our streets. Joe
Speaker 3: Kelly Matt Canavan. Great to have you both on the show.
Speaker 3: Now let's return to this controversy over the gold mine
Speaker 3: and the new Southeest. Premier Chris Mins has said that
Speaker 3: he's disappointed in Tinya Polverisk's decision to kill it off.
Speaker 3: He spoke about the issue today as I played Juice
Speaker 3: comments just before at the Daily Telegraph's Bush Summit in
Speaker 3: Orange and Joiny Minow is the Telegraph's editor, Ben English, Ben,
Speaker 3: thanks for joining us. Look, you splashed your front page
Speaker 3: on this story yesterday. My understanding is that Tanya Plibisek
Speaker 3: is a little bit annoyed at the scrutiny that you're
Speaker 3: putting on her. But the premiere has made it clear
Speaker 3: that all the approvals were met and that the main
Speaker 3: indigenous group in Orange has no objection. So what do
Speaker 3: you think about her decision to cancel this mine at
Speaker 3: the last minute.
Speaker 15: Well, I don't know if Tanya's is irritated by our coverage,
Speaker 15: but she should have come to Orange today to see
Speaker 15: how much she's more than irritated the overwhelming majority of
Speaker 15: people in the Central West who see this as a
Speaker 15: swipe from an any city minister that hasn't even shown
Speaker 15: the good manners and good grace to come and see
Speaker 15: the mind project or the site that she's made this
Speaker 15: decision about. There was genuine anger there today in Orange,
Speaker 15: and I don't think this is going away.
Speaker 3: This is also quite a fascinating political story as well,
Speaker 3: because it really is the first big dispute we've seen
Speaker 3: between the state labor government Chris Mins and the Abanesi government,
Speaker 3: isn't it?
Speaker 14: Yeah?
Speaker 15: It is, And in fact, this is a good one
Speaker 15: for Chris Mens to choose to choose that battle. There
Speaker 15: usually comes a time with premieres, even when they're on
Speaker 15: the same side and the same color where they have
Speaker 15: to choose to represent their own constituents. And this is
Speaker 15: a good one for Chris Mens, and it's actually aligned
Speaker 15: with his own values anyway, he is very genuinely concerned
Speaker 15: about this decision and the signals it sends to the
Speaker 15: investment world. There is a very strong view, or at
Speaker 15: least a growing view amongst the resources sector that New
Speaker 15: South Wales is actually a sovereign risk. It's actually not
Speaker 15: a safe place to invest because, as has happened with Regis,
Speaker 15: the company that's behind this project, you can invest five, six,
Speaker 15: seven years and countless millions of dollars in the planning
Speaker 15: process only to be basically king hit at the last moment.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly right. That is why this is such a
Speaker 3: wirrying story for all of Australia, not just in New
Speaker 3: South Wales. But I think that your point. I think
Speaker 3: this also shows the difference between the centrist Men's government
Speaker 3: and what we're seeing, which is quite a radical left
Speaker 3: Albanezy government. I mean, the Men's government really is the
Speaker 3: model of what a labor government should be, and his
Speaker 3: instincts a mainstream on so many issues, including this one.
Speaker 3: But Ben, your sum it made quite a lot of
Speaker 3: News Today. There was also a blue between Barnaby Joyce
Speaker 3: and Matt Kean over renewable energy. Let's have a quick
Speaker 3: look at the.
Speaker 12: Cheapest way of delivering reliable energy is firm for renewr books.
Speaker 12: What's this the Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 16: Honestly, I'll tell you where the truth lies, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 4: When you get that little thing in the mail.
Speaker 12: With a box in it called the power bill, there
Speaker 12: lies the truth. Power bills are going up for two
Speaker 12: very clear reasons. One, there's a war in the Ukraine
Speaker 12: that has pushed the wholesale price that does push the
Speaker 12: wholesale price of coal up.
Speaker 16: We just have the cheapest power in the world and
Speaker 16: now we've got some of the dearest power.
Speaker 4: In the world.
Speaker 3: The war in Ukraine. It's to blame for all of
Speaker 3: our bills and the rising cost of living.
Speaker 15: Ben Yeah, it was fantastic. And look, it has to
Speaker 15: be said. Barniey was playing to her home crowd there
Speaker 15: and they were mightily unimpressed with Matt Kean's his argument
Speaker 15: they're trying to blame external forces. I would say, I
Speaker 15: think you would have experienced this too, Shari. The people
Speaker 15: in the bush extremely well well versed in the issues
Speaker 15: at play. They have to be, and they're even more
Speaker 15: well versed now they've got better access to Sky News,
Speaker 15: and they just weren't having They weren't having that for
Speaker 15: a moment, and in fact, I thought Barnaby was probably
Speaker 15: in the best form he's been in some time.
Speaker 10: He did get.
Speaker 15: Fired up, and our John Rolf had to sort of
Speaker 15: come in and separate the two men at different stages
Speaker 15: when it started to get too bare knuckle. But Barnaby
Speaker 15: landed some very telling blows because he was actually going
Speaker 15: to the nub of this, which is that there is
Speaker 15: a very very clear reason why bills are going up,
Speaker 15: and that's because of the enormous cost of the out
Speaker 15: of the pouring out of the transmission lines, and the
Speaker 15: broader capital cost of renewable infrastructure, and also the demise
Speaker 15: of fossil fuel, you know, based low powers a supply.
Speaker 15: So you know, I I think Barnaby basically took him apart, took.
Speaker 3: Him apart well. Matt Keane, of course, has now been
Speaker 3: appointed by Anthony Alberanezi to be the Climate Change Authority Chair.
Speaker 3: I mean that appointment happened while he was still in
Speaker 3: the New South Wales Parliament hadn't officially resigned yet, but
Speaker 3: you know, given what you heard about his position today,
Speaker 3: you know, where do you expect this renewable energy push
Speaker 3: to go given he does now have this federal role.
Speaker 15: Oh look, you know he's he's serving his paymasters and
Speaker 15: he's going to plow on with the you know, the
Speaker 15: relentless rolling out of these intermittent assets if you want
Speaker 15: to call them that. And you know there's there's a
Speaker 15: number of projects, enormous number of projects that are that
Speaker 15: are stacking up and with the benefit of a government
Speaker 15: subject of government subst and I must say not many
Speaker 15: of them are subjected to Section ten objections from any
Speaker 15: environment ministers. So I think as long as this government
Speaker 15: is in the federal government, then we're going to see
Speaker 15: basically an.
Speaker 14: Acceleration of the rollout of renewables.
Speaker 15: Where they will be munked by reality is when we
Speaker 15: start to see blackouts some particularly hot days in summer
Speaker 15: and when they fail to curve the increasing power bills.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, and if that happens this summer, that's going
Speaker 3: to be a big political problem for the Prime minister
Speaker 3: ahead of an election which we're expecting in the first
Speaker 3: quarter of next year. But English are big congrats on
Speaker 3: your Bush summit and highlighting issues that affect regional and
Speaker 3: rule Australians. Thank you for joining us. Now, before we
Speaker 3: go to the break, I want to mention that I've
Speaker 3: got two amazing guests on Monday night's program. Here's a
Speaker 3: sneak peak of one exclusive interview. This is a very
Speaker 3: volatile period. The biggest political issue in our parliament.
Speaker 1: Australia runder threat Britain's former spy chief and he's great
Speaker 1: warning over her.
Speaker 9: Mass Australia isn't going to be immune from this terrorist probata.
Speaker 3: For sky News exclusive Where do you think this is headed?
Speaker 7: Extremely careful in allowing these people in.
Speaker 10: If you can't trace and you can't.
Speaker 3: Vet, there will be lowe wolves.
Speaker 1: Watch Harry eight pm Monday on Sky News.
Speaker 3: So that is the former head of mi I six,
Speaker 3: Sir Richard dear Love, and he weighs in in a
Speaker 3: big way on the Gazan visa issue. That big interviews
Speaker 3: on Monday night. Also on the same night, I've got
Speaker 3: the farmer Israeli government spokesman Alon Levy will be joining me.
Speaker 3: Terrific guest. You don't want to miss that at all
Speaker 3: Monday Night's show. But still to come this evening, we're
Speaker 3: live to Ukraine where the Coalition is pledging to reopen
Speaker 3: the Australian Embassy in Kiev. Pennywog just won't do this.
Speaker 3: But Simon Birmingham will join me next. Plus another display
Speaker 3: of weak leadership by the University of Sydney that's coming
Speaker 3: up after this quick break. Welcome back now. Simon Birmingham
Speaker 3: will be joining me out of Ukraine in just a
Speaker 3: moment to talk about why Pennywong refuses to open up
Speaker 3: the Australian embassy and his commitment Peter Dutton's commitment to
Speaker 3: do so if they win the election. But now let's
Speaker 3: return to October seven. Now, the Israeli Army. It's little known,
Speaker 3: but they have their own unit when a Jewish soldier
Speaker 3: dies in battle. These are highly qualified professionals, and yet
Speaker 3: no amount of experience could have prepared them for what
Speaker 3: they witnessed on October seven. The men and women in
Speaker 3: this unit had to endure the harrowing task of identifying
Speaker 3: and purifying the bodies of those murdered by Hamas. Now
Speaker 3: to speak to me about this, some more. I'm joined
Speaker 3: by Noah Lewis, who is the female head of the
Speaker 3: if Ritual Burial Society. Noah, thank you so much for
Speaker 3: joining us. And you're of course in Australia at the
Speaker 3: moment from Israel. Now it's such a hard thing for
Speaker 3: you to talk about and to relive, but can you
Speaker 3: tell us a bit about the extent of Hermasa's brutality
Speaker 3: from what you saw in the aftermath of October seventh? Okay,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 17: When I arrived to the base on October seventh, I've
Speaker 17: never seen anything even close with that in my life.
Speaker 17: There were trucks of trucks of bodies coming from all over,
Speaker 17: you know, civilians and babies, old people, people mutated, imutated,
Speaker 17: a lot of blood parts of bodies. We saw ashes,
Speaker 17: we saw burnt bodies, soldiers, young kids. We also got
Speaker 17: the just from everything different, different, different situation of bodies
Speaker 17: that I've never seen in my life. Not the state
Speaker 17: of the situation and not the not the amounts I've seen.
Speaker 17: I've seen. Uh, you know, girls that it looked like
Speaker 17: they've been killed so many times again and again. You know,
Speaker 17: they've been shot at and again and and different.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 17: Also like you know, shooting in the face and in
Speaker 17: very painful, very painful to watch it. But it wasn't
Speaker 17: just a bullet or just a simple day you know cut.
Speaker 17: You know, you could see parts of the bodies in
Speaker 17: separate bags and uh and amounts, so many and different ages.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 17: It was very painful.
Speaker 3: There must have been particularly heartbreaking confronting having to see
Speaker 3: what these terrorists had done to children and babies.
Speaker 17: Yeah, I think there were There was a secretion, the
Speaker 17: secretion of the body, and I felt for me it
Speaker 17: was like a desecreting of human being. This is not
Speaker 17: the way that human being behaving. It was hurting me
Speaker 17: as a as a person of the world to seek
Speaker 17: such a brutality, such a pure evil, pure evil, that's
Speaker 17: what you can say. It's the bad, the stuff, the
Speaker 17: pure evil that we saw. It's something that you can't contain,
Speaker 17: you don't understand, you can't even that I saw it,
Speaker 17: and I was part of the job.
Speaker 3: I wasn't just watching it.
Speaker 17: I had to cover I had to take pieces to
Speaker 17: try to identify we were, you know, doing our team
Speaker 17: different parts of it. But understanding that it's something that
Speaker 17: we don't understand and we just come to do exactly
Speaker 17: the opposite.
Speaker 3: Look. People have tried to downplay the extent of her
Speaker 3: Massa's horrors that they inflicted, that some people turn her
Speaker 3: mass into freedom fighters, but in fact, the priorities from
Speaker 3: October seven and since show us that Harmasa on power
Speaker 3: are worse than Isis on power, or worse than the Nazis.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 17: I'm a descendant of my grandmother was in Ashwitz, and
Speaker 17: I've seen ashes in Ashwitz where my grandmother was, and
Speaker 17: I had to put ashes in a coffin.
Speaker 3: It's it feels like.
Speaker 17: You know, the world is going you know, we're in
Speaker 17: the Western world, We're going forward, Christian, Muslims, Jewish people,
Speaker 17: the world is going ahead, and the Hamas and Chrisbala,
Speaker 17: they just you know, trying to pull us back.
Speaker 3: It's it's a.
Speaker 17: You know, facing it make me make me proud, make
Speaker 17: me make me proud to be Jewish, make me proud
Speaker 17: to say I'm edding good to the world. I'm trying
Speaker 17: to be good. I'm trying to fight the bed I'm taking.
Speaker 17: I want to say to everyone, you know.
Speaker 3: Take the right part.
Speaker 17: There's things that I even can talk about what I've seen,
Speaker 17: but listen to the truth, listen to the the good.
Speaker 3: And think which part do you want to take?
Speaker 17: Who do you want to join?
Speaker 3: And that's why you're in Australia at the moment. I mean,
Speaker 3: I can't even imagine how that would have affected you emotionally,
Speaker 3: seeing what you waitness from October seven.
Speaker 17: It is affecting, but it's mostly I'm looking ahead people
Speaker 17: many people, many people lost their lives and family are
Speaker 17: obviously devastated, and we are looking forward for the world,
Speaker 17: for the Jewish people, for all the people, just to
Speaker 17: continue with the good. And this is why I'm here.
Speaker 17: People say I'm too scared to leave your country. I'm
Speaker 17: not scared of from us. I'm not scared of Ribata.
Speaker 17: I just want to say to the world they're not.
Speaker 17: We shouldn't be scared of them. We should just don't
Speaker 17: let them continue and stop them and let people fight
Speaker 17: against them.
Speaker 3: All right, Noel Lewis, I can't even say thank you
Speaker 3: very much for being here about I find your courage
Speaker 3: extraordinary and I can't imagine doing the job that you
Speaker 3: do on a daily basis, even you know, apart from
Speaker 3: October seven. So thank you so much, thank you, Thank
Speaker 3: you Now the Coalition has vowed to safely reopen Australia's
Speaker 3: embassy in Ukraine if they win the next election, saying
Speaker 3: that Labour's stubborn refusal to do so has undermined our
Speaker 3: reputation as a reliable international ally. Shortly after Russia invaded
Speaker 3: Ukraine in February twenty twenty two, the Morrison government at
Speaker 3: the time ordered staff to evacuate Kiev. Since then, around
Speaker 3: seventy other countries have reopened their embassies in Ukraine. Well,
Speaker 3: for more on this, let's bring in Shadow Foreign Affairs
Speaker 3: Minister Simon Birmingham, who is right now in Ukraine. Simon,
Speaker 3: great to see you with us. So tell us why
Speaker 3: do you think, well, why is Penny one refusing to
Speaker 3: reopen the embassy?
Speaker 14: Hello, Shaari, It's good to be with you.
Speaker 18: Look, it is totally baffling as to the stubbornness of
Speaker 18: the Albanese government in terms of taking this step. As
Speaker 18: you said in the introduction, around seventy countries from Ireland
Speaker 18: to Indonesia have reopened their embassies in Kiev. They've done
Speaker 18: so safely, cautiously, appropriately. It's a city that I've been
Speaker 18: in the last couple of nights and of course it's
Speaker 18: a city that has built strong safeguards, warning systems, air
Speaker 18: defense systems and created an environment where a range of
Speaker 18: different embassies are able to operate, and by operating they're
Speaker 18: able to get the.
Speaker 14: Best possible information and intelligence and access to the Ukrainian
Speaker 14: government when and where they need it, which Australia is
Speaker 14: not able to get a present by virtue of our
Speaker 14: ambassador being forced to be hundreds of kilometers away in Poland.
Speaker 3: Look, there are accusations that Australia has let down Zelanski
Speaker 3: and Ukraine in other matters as well. Do you think
Speaker 3: we could be doing more in terms of supplying weapons
Speaker 3: or funding aid to Ukraine s.
Speaker 18: The first thing is that we give one hundred percent
Speaker 18: bipartisan support for everything ASTRA has done. When the Morrison
Speaker 18: government was in power and the Russian invasion of Ukraine commenced,
Speaker 18: we made sure Australia was at the forefront of support.
Speaker 18: We were, in fact the largest non NATO country supporting Ukraine,
Speaker 18: giving assistance in terms of financial assistance, military assistance, humanitarian assistance,
Speaker 18: energy assistance, comprehensive support for the country.
Speaker 14: And the Albanesi government that has slipped. We are now
Speaker 14: no longer the largest non NATO contributor.
Speaker 18: Countries like Japan and South Korea have overtaken us, and
Speaker 18: we do think that there is more.
Speaker 14: That could be done.
Speaker 18: We shouldn't be retiring army helicopters to be junked and
Speaker 18: buried in Australia. We should be sending them or at
Speaker 18: least the parts to support Ukraine. We should be answering
Speaker 18: quickly when Ukraine asked for Australian coal and ensuring those
Speaker 18: shipments go, not fapping around for months and months, and
Speaker 18: then eventually putting money into an international fund. These are
Speaker 18: not the type of science of urgency and commitment that
Speaker 18: you would and should expect Australia to show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a case similar to Israel, where
Speaker 3: the Albanezi government has let down a nation that should
Speaker 3: clearly be our ally or Simon Birmingham, stay safe over
Speaker 3: there and thanks for joining us in the program. Now
Speaker 3: plenty more to come after the break. Radio host Kyle
Speaker 3: Sanderlands has wrongly unleashed on people he's calling Looney's who
Speaker 3: are trying to cancel Candace Owens's visa. I'll play you
Speaker 3: that audio next. Plus we're in an economic horror show
Speaker 3: as retailers are given a grim warning ahead of Christmas.
Speaker 3: I'll speak about this with my panel Welcome Back. Well,
Speaker 3: there's been a bit of a debate about whether far
Speaker 3: right commentator Candace Owens should be given a visa to
Speaker 3: come to Australia. And I'm not going to replay the
Speaker 3: worst of her comments because they do not deserve to
Speaker 3: be broadcast further. But they're so bad that Peter dar
Speaker 3: and the Coalition and Jewish groups have called for her
Speaker 3: not to be issued a visa. But according to Kyle Sandalans,
Speaker 3: who spoke to Owen's this morning on his radio show,
Speaker 3: her ideas should be hurt. Have a listen.
Speaker 1: I read an article people were trying to stop you
Speaker 1: from coming. Why do people try and stop hearing other
Speaker 1: people's ideas? Why is that as the.
Speaker 5: Question that I have to ask you because it was
Speaker 5: so When I saw that, and I saw.
Speaker 2: That, someone spoke out and said that it's so foreign.
Speaker 1: We're very laid back here, we're very sort of passive people,
Speaker 1: and there's a couple of loons that are running around
Speaker 1: t and I think if you're trying to stop hearing
Speaker 1: someone's idea, you're scared that other people will like that
Speaker 1: person's idea.
Speaker 3: Perhaps Kyle Sandalans hasn't heard the extent of Candae Owen
Speaker 3: because it's her who is looney, not the people opposing her. Arriving,
Speaker 3: we're to discuss Let's bringing commentator Jason Morrison and freyer
Speaker 3: Leitch from the Menzies Research Center. Welcome to you both, Prayer.
Speaker 3: I think there is a difference between hate speech and
Speaker 3: free speech, and countss Owens is engaging completely in conspiracy
Speaker 3: theories and hate speech.
Speaker 19: Look, this is a challenging one because I think if
Speaker 19: we're going to protect free speech for us, we have
Speaker 19: to uphold it for all. So it is hard and
Speaker 19: it's hard to find that line between what is free
Speaker 19: speech and what crosses over into hate speech. I actually
Speaker 19: think we should issue Candis a visa, but with a condition.
Speaker 19: She has to go on a tour of the Sydney
Speaker 19: Jewish Museum guided by Holocaust survivors and see the extent
Speaker 19: of the Holocaust, which she denies and she downplays. And
Speaker 19: then as an Israeli woman in Sydney who has VR
Speaker 19: goggles that depict October seven, then she has to put
Speaker 19: the VR goggles on. She has to watch forty seven
Speaker 19: minutes of her Maasa's barbarous atrocities of October seven, and
Speaker 19: then she should come on this show, on your show, Shari,
Speaker 19: and she should have a debate with you and whoever
Speaker 19: you want to bring on about what happened on October seven,
Speaker 19: about the Israel Gaza issue. That's what we have to do.
Speaker 19: We have to stop letting these anti Semitic ideas fester
Speaker 19: in dark corners of the Internet. We have to bring
Speaker 19: them into the light and we have to combat them
Speaker 19: with the sort of truth.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Jason, I'm with you.
Speaker 20: I'm with you totally. I actually don't I'm not a banner,
Speaker 20: not a banner of anyone, and so irony that we're
Speaker 20: talking about banning people. We're bringing planloads of people in
Speaker 20: on tourism visus at the moment who actually hate Jews
Speaker 20: as well. So I think, you know, we've got to
Speaker 20: get a.
Speaker 3: Bit real here.
Speaker 20: This is a distraction from the real issue in Australia
Speaker 20: right now, and that is the people we are importing
Speaker 20: into the country to stay here with obnoxious and a
Speaker 20: borrn views. I think I have no problem with this.
Speaker 20: I actually think she's a classic. She thinks she knows
Speaker 20: more than she does. I think she's full of crap.
Speaker 3: A lot of the time.
Speaker 20: She's captivating speaker, and I don't think if she's any good,
Speaker 20: you'd knock a hole through all with logic and mostly
Speaker 20: the people on this station, most people on talk radio,
Speaker 20: if they put their minds to wed knock a hole
Speaker 20: through because she's not that good when put under the pump.
Speaker 3: But I think the problem is, though, if she was
Speaker 3: just coming here for a holiday, well it might be
Speaker 3: a different story. But she's coming here to speak to it. Hey,
Speaker 3: the holiday people are coming here to live. Well I know,
Speaker 3: I know, don't get me started. But she's coming here
Speaker 3: to speak to huge crowds of people. Are these are
Speaker 3: events that she's performing at, and so her ideas are
Speaker 3: dangerous and people do listen to them, and it's and
Speaker 3: she's got millions of followers, and it's problematic.
Speaker 20: Can I tell you, though, if you go digging into
Speaker 20: who's bringing her out, I think you'll find that's the
Speaker 20: same kind of group that's been bringing out a lot
Speaker 20: of people that have never arrived here.
Speaker 3: Right. Well, I'm going to have a look at that
Speaker 3: over the weekends. Will follow that on Monday Nights show
Speaker 3: now very quickly. Australia's retail sector has been in a
Speaker 3: recession for eighteen months now and consumers have cut back
Speaker 3: on shopping in this cost of living crisis. Freya, this
Speaker 3: is worrying again. We nowhere in a per capit recession
Speaker 3: as it is.
Speaker 19: I know it's terrible. I mean, real disposable income per
Speaker 19: capita has fallen almost eight percent since the election in
Speaker 19: just two years. I'm certainly feeling the pinch. I think
Speaker 19: it's even worse for young people who are renters or
Speaker 19: maybe first home buyers. It is challenging out there and
Speaker 19: this is the result of Albo's radical left wing agenda,
Speaker 19: cracking down on industrial relations, soaring power prices, interest rates
Speaker 19: are going crazy. This is the result.
Speaker 3: People feel poorer, Jason. This is still the biggest issue
Speaker 3: ahead of the next election.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people are poorer.
Speaker 20: They're much poorer because life stood still for most people,
Speaker 20: other than people in the public service that kind of
Speaker 20: in the ABC to get the automatic pay rises. In
Speaker 20: the real world, people stand still. In small business people
Speaker 20: are going backwards right now. And look at the number
Speaker 20: of shops that are empty, Look at the number of
Speaker 20: businesses that are just not without customers, the shopfronts that
Speaker 20: have got follice signs up. There's a tragedy going on
Speaker 20: in Australia at the moment, and I'll say tragically that
Speaker 20: tragedy is being caused by government things like pushing up
Speaker 20: power prices. They're looking for ways to kill us on
Speaker 20: the run here. And you know the last inflation figures
Speaker 20: that came through. When you go through a category category,
Speaker 20: you say, energy is such a big contributor all these
Speaker 20: things going up, and that's a big reason our life
Speaker 20: is at the moment very much under test.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a huge issue. A right. Jason Morris and Freileach.
Speaker 3: Great to see you both, go anywhere more questions tonight
Speaker 3: about our country is looming energy crisis. That's after the
Speaker 3: break welcome back. Well at first glance, it seems like
Speaker 3: Australia's Energy regulator has painted a more positive outlook for
Speaker 3: the latest energy crisis. It's latest reliability outlook improving compared
Speaker 3: with last year. To discuss that's bringing out The Australian's
Speaker 3: Environment editor Graham, Lloyd Graham, Great to see you again. Look,
Speaker 3: what is the risk of blackouts across the country this
Speaker 3: summer and moving forward.
Speaker 16: Well, good evening, Chari. The risk of blackouts this summer
Speaker 16: is really apparent in New South Wales, Victoria and South Australia.
Speaker 16: And while the Energy Regulator is saying, look, the situation
Speaker 16: has improved a little bit, that's really sort of faint
Speaker 16: praise or comfort because it's really on a knife's edge still.
Speaker 16: What the regulator has really said is that over the
Speaker 16: ten year horizon, if everything goes to plan, all the
Speaker 16: government's ambitions are met on time, then we should be
Speaker 16: able to carry through. But of course the problem is
Speaker 16: that the government programs are never really met on time,
Speaker 16: so the potential for the need for other sources of
Speaker 16: energy to hold things together is still really great. For
Speaker 16: what it means for people in the community more generally
Speaker 16: is that the government is going to be very determined
Speaker 16: to push through its programs. So the hostility we're seeing,
Speaker 16: particularly in rural communities to the roll out of transmission
Speaker 16: lines and things. As things get tighter, they're going to
Speaker 16: be given less and less consideration.
Speaker 3: Graham, I also wanted to get your take as Environment
Speaker 3: editor on the conflict this debate over the gold mine
Speaker 3: in New South Wales, as far as you can see,
Speaker 3: are there any reasons for it not to go ahead.
Speaker 16: Well, the decision that was made was on cultural heritage
Speaker 16: grounds and this is what makes it very very difficult.
Speaker 16: I mean, the boardrooms around Australia are alarmed at the
Speaker 16: rising level of sovereign risk if you like, in making
Speaker 16: big investment decisions and doing business here. And this is
Speaker 16: because the Environment Minister has come up and said secret
Speaker 16: business can't tell you what it is, but no you
Speaker 16: can't do it. Very difficult needs to deal with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed, all right, Graham Lloyd, thank you very much
Speaker 3: for joining me. That's it for me. Don't miss Monday
Speaker 3: big show. So Richard, dear love on Ailon Levy. I'll
Speaker 3: see you then.