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Speaker 1: Appoche production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the

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Speaker 2: muscle comments and in this episode I speak with Sahit

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Speaker 2: shaversion also known as chest Brass.

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Speaker 1: It was so deeply ingrained in our minds just seeing

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Speaker 1: these muscle bound men all over TVs. My parents had

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Speaker 1: the bar us from watching like wrestling all the time,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then I walked in

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Speaker 1: on him, like putting a needle in his bum, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, that's what it is. I'm like, you little fucker.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, man, share some of that secrets.

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Speaker 1: My own girlfriend looked at me and she's like, well,

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Speaker 1: almost getting too much. I've been the skinny, small guy

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Speaker 1: my whole life. So to hear that, even for a

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Speaker 1: brief moment in my life, I'm fucking happy and he's

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Speaker 1: passing it lit a fire in me. Like most people

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Speaker 1: would crumble, but for me, it just li's such a

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Speaker 1: huge fire in me to train and just to just

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Speaker 1: become something, you know, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, I fucking I'm trying to get You're so busy, man.

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Speaker 1: I've just come back from I was in Vegas going

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Speaker 1: and then I went to Mexico and I'm off to

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Speaker 1: go to Turkey in a few weeks, like doing a

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Speaker 1: hair transplant in Turkey, and that's it, bro, Just all

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Speaker 1: over the place, moving everywhere, joy consist. So yeah, it's good. Bro.

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Speaker 1: As you get a bit older, it's it gets a

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Speaker 1: little bit annoying to travel so much, take the long

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Speaker 1: flights and all that shit. But you know, you do

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Speaker 1: what you've got to do. Like I'm working on a

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Speaker 1: few things and projects at the moment. I've got my

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Speaker 1: documentary coming out as with our stand so looking forward

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Speaker 1: to that. Lots of our travel for that. Went to

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Speaker 1: New Zealand to film the pilot episode for that and

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Speaker 1: get the investors on board. Screen Australia, and yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: been like three or four years in the process, but

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Speaker 1: we're like currently filming right now, like as we speak,

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Speaker 1: like they're filming me and a whole bunch of other people.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, man, just just juggling that with competing, running

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Speaker 1: multiple businesses and just traveling and partying a lot. So

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Speaker 1: still partying, bro, You've still got a few more years

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Speaker 1: in me. But I'm not not as old. Assume that

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Speaker 1: I'm getting there, bro, thirty nine, you know, so I've.

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Speaker 2: Gone to five going up when I go out. You know,

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Speaker 2: I just tend fifty.

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Speaker 1: Bro, you don't even look fifty. I thought forty five. No,

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Speaker 1: I wish my body do it feels like forty?

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Speaker 2: What's it like training at fifty? Same true, same shit.

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Speaker 2: I still still live to heavyweights. I still lift heavyweights.

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Speaker 2: Mine's have a change, yours hasn't changed it all. I don't.

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Speaker 2: I won't change it. I won't change it.

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Speaker 1: Interesting just because of age, I'm going to change it. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So as long as I feel strong and I can

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Speaker 2: I know I can lift it, I'll lift it.

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Speaker 1: I think strength is important, especially as you get all,

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Speaker 1: you're going to maintain strength. Like a lot of people now,

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Speaker 1: like where are you talking about training? But a lot

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Speaker 1: of people now like they trained and like they don't

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Speaker 1: train like conviction. Like a lot of these young guys,

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Speaker 1: like you see them training now, they don't put much

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Speaker 1: effort in. They don't they don't push themselves to failure, don't.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's a different generation, bro.

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Speaker 2: Like they feel like it's all social media now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Like they've got the tripods out and they're

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Speaker 1: filming the fancy workouts. Like I think my generation, which

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Speaker 1: like we're still looking up to like people like Ronnie Coleman,

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Speaker 1: Phil Heat Jake Cutler, and now it's like just it's change, bro.

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Speaker 1: You know, Like I don't even like going to commercial

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Speaker 1: gyms anymore because like I feed off like then that

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Speaker 1: you've seen people train hard and passionately. So if I

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Speaker 1: don't see someone like a gym, then it's like got

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Speaker 1: training hard and grunting and this and that, then I

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Speaker 1: can't train there, bro, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I usually I usually want train in gyms now because

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Speaker 2: the fact that won they're all just hanging around the

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Speaker 1: It's gone, you know, music, the pump, it's it's gone.

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Speaker 1: The feeling's gone. Miss that, man, I missed that. So

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Speaker 2: Got my own gym at my fucking house and I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's my next step, bro. It's getting to

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Speaker 2: Well I go at midnight now, so I.

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Speaker 1: Go at midnight. Yeah I like training early. Bro.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I do early, but I'll go again.

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Speaker 1: You're still on the gear at the sage or no,

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Speaker 1: T I t everything?

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Speaker 2: Bro?

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Speaker 1: Oh well I don't stop. Bro, no bless Bro. You

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Speaker 1: haven't lost your hair.

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Speaker 2: Nah.

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Speaker 1: You know you're a lucky man. Bro.

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Speaker 2: Nah bro. Like, as I said, I haven't changed my routine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah since I was probably twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's good bro. And you know what, man Like,

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Speaker 1: I always tell this like my younger audience, like training, bro,

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Speaker 1: It's it's so important bro, Like, it's just such an

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Speaker 1: important thing for the mind as a man growing up.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've got two two boys, yea two boys,

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Speaker 1: so you would probably instill training in them and discipline.

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Speaker 1: I see the videos of them playing sports and shit, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you seem like you're very proud father you

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Speaker 1: watch watch them do well in sports and train hard.

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Speaker 1: Like it's so important to teach kids these things, man

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Speaker 1: Like kids now these days growing up without much of

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Speaker 1: like like there's no proper male role models out there

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Speaker 1: for them, you know what I mean to look up to.

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Speaker 1: So it's like what's left, bro? Like there's these kids

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Speaker 1: now look at me as like a super hyper masculine,

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Speaker 1: like I'm like some kind of like super hyper skilling figure.

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Speaker 2: It's like it just makes me laugh. Bro, how much

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Speaker 2: of times have changed? How different this generation is? And yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'll talk more about it. But do you ever fucked? Basically?

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Speaker 2: Do you ever? Because when I'm on the gear, to me,

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Speaker 2: even today I had a skinny day. I get lots

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Speaker 2: of skinny days. Bro, I have a skinny day right now.

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Speaker 2: What do you think I'm unning a jacket? So you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, of course, Bro, that shit never leaves us.

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Speaker 2: And it just foxed up my head. Sometimes I can't

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Speaker 2: even go to gym, I.

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Speaker 1: Know, Bro, that's that's exactly where I'm at right now.

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Speaker 2: Mate.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you when I finished my camp, you

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Speaker 1: seen the videos. I was looking nuts. I'll be the

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Speaker 1: first as I was looking fucking insane. And then because

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Speaker 1: I did three back to back comps, it killed me, brother,

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Speaker 1: they killed me, like mentally, I was in there. I finished,

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Speaker 1: And I stopped literally training for about two months, bro,

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Speaker 1: the first time in my whole life, the first fucking

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Speaker 1: time my whole life. I'm like, I can't fucking do

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Speaker 1: It's been my first week back in the gym, so

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Speaker 1: obviously covered up. I'm like, I'm not fucking shure nothing

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Speaker 1: to nobody, bro, even in my training videos on my

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Speaker 1: Instagram and shit, I'll post videos I mean like like

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Speaker 1: a baggy T shirt and pants and everyone's like, chess, Bro,

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Speaker 1: what's wrong? Bro? You're okay?

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Speaker 2: Bro?

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm fine, man, I'm just feeling a little

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Speaker 2: See people say to me, you look fucking great, and

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Speaker 2: I no, you don't understand.

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Speaker 1: It because when you at a certain level, you regress

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Speaker 1: So I see these comp pictures and I'm like, unless

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Speaker 1: I'm like, look, I don't have to match it completely.

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Speaker 1: But like, if I'm not at least like ninety five

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Speaker 1: I'm not taking I'm not taking this off with shit.

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Speaker 2: I go, I go from my arm. So if I

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Speaker 2: know my T shirts are loose, I go, ah fu,

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Speaker 2: that's just not good. Bro.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, all my T shirts. I mean, only

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Speaker 1: You guys are like, you guys look great, but T

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Speaker 2: Man? I hate when they say that.

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Speaker 1: It pisces me off because they don't know. They don't know,

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Speaker 1: they don't train, but we have to sometimes. Also, my friend,

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Speaker 1: we have to step outside of our bodies and realize

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Speaker 1: that in our world, in the bodybuilding world, like yeah,

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Speaker 1: can't be so hard on myself. Like I'm walking around

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Speaker 1: all these people and like everyone's like little. You know,

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Speaker 1: I might feel small, but like these guys are like

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Speaker 2: But you know, gate you ever look at someone and go,

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Speaker 2: he's bigger than me, but you know he's not, well,

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Speaker 2: he looks better than you need a good question, because

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Speaker 2: I actually do that.

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I look guys and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: guys that are bigger than me, but they might not

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Speaker 1: have that esthetic shape. Yeah, the symmetry, the small waists,

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Speaker 1: might even be taller, but does he look better like

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Speaker 1: there's so many bigger guys. Of course, there's this huge

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Speaker 1: and Kiwis everywhere that are like big big jack guys

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Speaker 1: in terms of like a physique that's like desirable, but

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Speaker 1: like women and that men would want to achieve, that's realistic.

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Speaker 2: Bro, So I appreciate that anyone. But before we get going,

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Speaker 1: And you know what, Bro, They've got to bring back

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Speaker 2: I didn't even know you and they hate you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like I was literally like I don't know my posture

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 1: Then I changed my name on the forums to chest Bro.

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Speaker 1: to see my whole family. It was just a really

430
00:17:30,921 --> 00:17:33,640
Speaker 1: strangely awkward Yeah, yeah, it was. I'm glad you asked.

431
00:17:33,681 --> 00:17:35,321
Speaker 1: I was about to say that it was very awkward

432
00:17:35,321 --> 00:17:38,721
Speaker 1: because I obviously I grew up with just one sibling,

433
00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,600
Speaker 1: no cousins, no family, very small, just just it was

434
00:17:41,681 --> 00:17:44,400
Speaker 1: just me and my brother Bro. And I'm seeing like

435
00:17:44,721 --> 00:17:48,360
Speaker 1: my first cousin, second cousins, aunties, uncles like everyone. And

436
00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:50,601
Speaker 1: and for me, like I consider myself Ouzsy, I considered

437
00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,561
Speaker 1: myself Australian. So over there, they're like literally like brought

438
00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,640
Speaker 1: up in the villages in Moscow, like in like Kurdish tradition,

439
00:17:56,721 --> 00:17:58,561
Speaker 1: so they're like really like village like you know, like

440
00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,001
Speaker 1: full old school, and the men are kissing each other

441
00:18:01,041 --> 00:18:02,921
Speaker 1: on the cheek like three times and doing all this shit.

442
00:18:03,001 --> 00:18:03,840
Speaker 1: I just wasn't used to it.

443
00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:03,960
Speaker 2: Bro.

444
00:18:04,041 --> 00:18:06,561
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm an at heartbro, you know what I mean, Like,

445
00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,321
Speaker 1: I see this country is like my country. So it

446
00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:10,760
Speaker 1: was very hard for me to like kind of just

447
00:18:10,801 --> 00:18:13,440
Speaker 1: like converse and speak with them, and they look at

448
00:18:13,441 --> 00:18:15,200
Speaker 1: me and they just tell my dad this, this kid's

449
00:18:15,321 --> 00:18:18,281
Speaker 1: just he's an Aussie bro. He's not one of us anymore,

450
00:18:18,481 --> 00:18:19,761
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Because it's just such a

451
00:18:19,761 --> 00:18:23,440
Speaker 1: different culture, bro, such a different culture, and it was

452
00:18:23,481 --> 00:18:25,120
Speaker 1: a little bit awkward, but it was nice, you know

453
00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:26,521
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like they showed me a lot of

454
00:18:26,561 --> 00:18:29,640
Speaker 1: love and they were very hospitable, and you know, it

455
00:18:29,681 --> 00:18:32,160
Speaker 1: was nice to meet my first cousins, more my relatives,

456
00:18:32,441 --> 00:18:35,641
Speaker 1: my dad's brothers, sisters for the first time, because I've

457
00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,721
Speaker 1: never felt that feeling of having a deep and a

458
00:18:37,761 --> 00:18:40,200
Speaker 1: big family. I guess in that sense it was nicer.

459
00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,721
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was definitely awkward, like but on the

460
00:18:43,761 --> 00:18:45,880
Speaker 1: positive sense, I came back and my Russian was like

461
00:18:45,921 --> 00:18:49,241
Speaker 1: even better then before I left. So I haven't been

462
00:18:49,281 --> 00:18:51,761
Speaker 1: back since. But well, I mean, the war's going on

463
00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,041
Speaker 1: right now, bro in Russian and Ukraine. So my family

464
00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,160
Speaker 1: lived all close to that. Well, my cousin, my cousin,

465
00:18:56,201 --> 00:19:00,120
Speaker 1: actually my first cousin, was in the war and he

466
00:19:00,201 --> 00:19:03,080
Speaker 1: got his leg blown off, actually almost blown off completely.

467
00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,921
Speaker 1: He was hiding under a Russian tank while the Ukrainian

468
00:19:06,961 --> 00:19:10,160
Speaker 1: soldiers were basically clearing out and like looking for the

469
00:19:10,241 --> 00:19:12,281
Speaker 1: Russian shilt soldiers you hit under a tank because he

470
00:19:12,321 --> 00:19:14,401
Speaker 1: had half of his leg blown off. Yeah, and then

471
00:19:14,441 --> 00:19:17,921
Speaker 1: he got dismissed through the army and put into recovery.

472
00:19:18,001 --> 00:19:19,761
Speaker 1: So he's been in recovery for like nine months. They're

473
00:19:19,801 --> 00:19:22,840
Speaker 1: using like stem cells and all this regenerative therapy to

474
00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,720
Speaker 1: grow back his leg. Luckily they saved his leg. And

475
00:19:25,721 --> 00:19:27,600
Speaker 1: this is like my first cousin twenty four years old,

476
00:19:27,761 --> 00:19:30,120
Speaker 1: conscripted into the army because of the Russian Ukrainian War.

477
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,281
Speaker 1: So Jesus I can beare his life. And then I

478
00:19:32,321 --> 00:19:34,400
Speaker 1: look and I'm like, how did I get so lucky

479
00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,801
Speaker 1: to be in such a privileged country fucking just being yeah, bro,

480
00:19:38,961 --> 00:19:41,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like just clouding around on Instagram,

481
00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,360
Speaker 1: traveling the world, doing podcasts, having a great time. And

482
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,241
Speaker 1: he's my cousin across the world, twenty four years old.

483
00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,120
Speaker 1: Like on the battlefields are like fucking stepped on a

484
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,880
Speaker 1: land mine. Like what the fuck? It's crazy, bro to

485
00:19:52,921 --> 00:19:55,600
Speaker 1: think about. Yeah, so parents made the right choice moveing

486
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,521
Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, and we can't go back there because

487
00:19:57,521 --> 00:19:59,760
Speaker 1: I still have Russian citizenship, so we don't know. If

488
00:19:59,801 --> 00:20:01,801
Speaker 1: I go back there, I might get conscripted I'm still young.

489
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,360
Speaker 1: We don't know. So in the army, yeah, we don't know. Yeah,

490
00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:08,121
Speaker 1: I think they they list shopping to me like I'm

491
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,640
Speaker 1: not sure what the ages, but it's just not worth

492
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,400
Speaker 1: taking the risk. That's that's the truth, you know what

493
00:20:12,441 --> 00:20:14,761
Speaker 1: I mean. So I've got the Russian citizenship and the

494
00:20:15,281 --> 00:20:18,761
Speaker 1: obviously the Australians citizenship. So that's life, bro you know what

495
00:20:18,801 --> 00:20:19,081
Speaker 1: I mean.

496
00:20:19,321 --> 00:20:22,281
Speaker 2: Yeah, So tell me about growing up then, like school

497
00:20:22,321 --> 00:20:23,761
Speaker 2: and all like that. It was half f you coming

498
00:20:23,801 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 2: over making friends.

499
00:20:24,681 --> 00:20:26,200
Speaker 1: It was really hard broke because I couldn't speak a

500
00:20:26,241 --> 00:20:28,640
Speaker 1: word of English and I got heavily bullied for it.

501
00:20:28,681 --> 00:20:31,000
Speaker 1: When I was in private school. I remember around that

502
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,640
Speaker 1: time like there was a lot of like tension towards

503
00:20:33,681 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 1: like Aussie's and wogs and this and that, and then

504
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,360
Speaker 1: like walk boy insults with like throwing around this and that.

505
00:20:38,761 --> 00:20:40,360
Speaker 1: That was the era that I was like growing up in.

506
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 1: So I came to stray when I was like six

507
00:20:41,681 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 1: or seven, and I distinct remember my man, like there

508
00:20:44,521 --> 00:20:47,121
Speaker 1: was a time where I couldn't even ask like how

509
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,201
Speaker 1: to go to the toilet in English. I just spoke

510
00:20:49,241 --> 00:20:51,041
Speaker 1: in Russian. And I remember all the kids laughed at

511
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,401
Speaker 1: me because I spent in Russian. I said, where's the toilet?

512
00:20:53,721 --> 00:20:55,561
Speaker 1: And I remember all the seven year old kids laughing

513
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,360
Speaker 1: at I mean, I was just like so distraught. I

514
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,281
Speaker 1: ended up running out of the fucking classroom, running all

515
00:21:00,281 --> 00:21:02,120
Speaker 1: the way home, which is like twenty minutes, just to

516
00:21:02,201 --> 00:21:04,801
Speaker 1: use the toilet. And then like my parents were at work,

517
00:21:04,801 --> 00:21:07,160
Speaker 1: and Principle called my parents and the police got involved

518
00:21:07,201 --> 00:21:09,360
Speaker 1: because they thought I just like had run away, but

519
00:21:09,481 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 1: really I just needed to take a shit.

520
00:21:11,281 --> 00:21:13,521
Speaker 2: How would you surviving a school then if you can't

521
00:21:13,521 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 2: forking talk English?

522
00:21:14,521 --> 00:21:17,001
Speaker 1: Like, how did that? I honestly can't fucking remember. But

523
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,041
Speaker 1: I picked it up very quickly because I'll still at

524
00:21:19,041 --> 00:21:21,801
Speaker 1: that age six or seven. I'll still at that age

525
00:21:21,801 --> 00:21:24,281
Speaker 1: where you can learn very very very quickly. And as

526
00:21:24,281 --> 00:21:26,321
Speaker 1: you can tell, like I didn't develop develop an accent

527
00:21:26,321 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: like it feels like any longer. If I came to

528
00:21:28,001 --> 00:21:30,481
Speaker 1: like Australia, like being like say like nine or ten,

529
00:21:30,521 --> 00:21:32,360
Speaker 1: I'll probably have like a Russian accent right now. But

530
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,680
Speaker 1: I was just at the right age to not have

531
00:21:34,761 --> 00:21:37,401
Speaker 1: developed an accent at all and just just have been

532
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,561
Speaker 1: able to pick it up like really really quickly. I

533
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,360
Speaker 1: picked it up within like a year I was just

534
00:21:41,921 --> 00:21:43,761
Speaker 1: I don't know. Was he the same for your brother too?

535
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 2: There? Was he the same?

536
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,881
Speaker 1: Like he was a little bit younger. He was three

537
00:21:47,961 --> 00:21:49,801
Speaker 1: years old, so he and I was six, and he

538
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,441
Speaker 1: found it difficult in like preschool, same thing but in preschool.

539
00:21:53,441 --> 00:21:56,361
Speaker 1: But by the time he was in kindergarten he could

540
00:21:56,360 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 1: already speak English, and I was speaking English probably when

541
00:22:00,521 --> 00:22:03,761
Speaker 1: I was in around I don't know, like three, you

542
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 1: two whatever age that is seven years older, years old.

543
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, I picked it up very quickly, and then

544
00:22:09,521 --> 00:22:12,001
Speaker 1: all that bullying went away. And then after that I

545
00:22:12,041 --> 00:22:14,481
Speaker 1: was actually really hot headed kid up until I went

546
00:22:14,521 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 1: to high school. Then I became a quiet kid again,

547
00:22:16,801 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 1: and then after high school I became y. It's just

548
00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 1: been a joke.

549
00:22:20,721 --> 00:22:22,641
Speaker 2: Because I did read something on the probably that he

550
00:22:22,681 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 2: was he did get bullied at quite.

551
00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, heavily bullied, bro. Yeah yeah, so it

552
00:22:26,761 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 1: happened to both of us. For him, it was all

553
00:22:29,481 --> 00:22:31,241
Speaker 1: for me as well as our stature.

554
00:22:31,241 --> 00:22:31,401
Speaker 2: Bro.

555
00:22:31,521 --> 00:22:34,041
Speaker 1: So we were really really skinny in high school and

556
00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 1: a lot of the reason we got into bodybuilding is

557
00:22:36,201 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 1: we'd watch WCW WWE Rest in Peace, Whole Kogan, my

558
00:22:39,761 --> 00:22:42,161
Speaker 1: man very very sad. So we looked up to these

559
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:46,281
Speaker 1: guys bro, like you know Goldberg, Kevin Nash, Sting whole, Yeah,

560
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 1: Ultimate Warrior. Bro. We loved it, and we watched movies

561
00:22:48,721 --> 00:22:53,801
Speaker 1: like Jean Claude Van Dam sliced the look Don't hit Back, Bro.

562
00:22:54,481 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: We watched it all, and then you know, it was

563
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,921
Speaker 1: in our mind. It was so deeply ingrained in our minds,

564
00:22:58,961 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: just seeing these fucking muscle bound men all over TVs

565
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: and fucking wrestling and this and that. It was so

566
00:23:04,681 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: much in My parents had the bar us from watching

567
00:23:06,521 --> 00:23:08,001
Speaker 1: like wrestling all the time, you know what I mean.

568
00:23:08,041 --> 00:23:10,761
Speaker 1: And when you take something away from a kid, as

569
00:23:10,761 --> 00:23:12,241
Speaker 1: you know, all they want to do is do that

570
00:23:12,321 --> 00:23:14,321
Speaker 1: said thing that's been taken away from there, So they're

571
00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:16,761
Speaker 1: on the slide exactly, which is what we did, bro,

572
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,881
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then we finished high

573
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,561
Speaker 1: school and then all I wanted to do, I remember,

574
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,521
Speaker 1: is just get fucking jacked. That's all I wanted to do.

575
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 1: I just wanted to start bodybuilding. So I started training

576
00:23:25,721 --> 00:23:29,041
Speaker 1: at around eighteen years of age, as was still around fifteen.

577
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: He was like still fucking playing video games. So you

578
00:23:31,281 --> 00:23:33,761
Speaker 1: were doing it first before him, Yes, so he got

579
00:23:33,801 --> 00:23:36,801
Speaker 1: inspired through me. So I started bodybuilding eighteen, and then

580
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 1: he would just see the changes in my body. And

581
00:23:38,681 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: then when I was twenty one, I basically just like

582
00:23:43,201 --> 00:23:44,801
Speaker 1: begged him and forced him to come to the gym.

583
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,441
Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, man, just coming to the gym

584
00:23:46,481 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: with me, Like you're gonna love this. And he was

585
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,001
Speaker 1: getting very curious watching my changes. And then yeah, he

586
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 1: ended up coming in the end and then finissing the game, brother,

587
00:23:53,681 --> 00:23:55,281
Speaker 1: and then doing it a hundred times better than I

588
00:23:55,281 --> 00:23:56,721
Speaker 1: ever could have done it, man, And it was just

589
00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:59,001
Speaker 1: incredible to have that journey with him at that time

590
00:23:59,041 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: at such a young age. The only thing I regret

591
00:24:01,681 --> 00:24:03,641
Speaker 1: now is I wish he was around because now if

592
00:24:03,681 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: we had a bodybuilding show, would love to be on

593
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,281
Speaker 1: stage with him, man, you know what I mean, It

594
00:24:07,321 --> 00:24:09,241
Speaker 1: would have been amazing. I always think about how cool

595
00:24:09,241 --> 00:24:12,761
Speaker 1: it would have been. But he progressed so fucking quick

596
00:24:12,801 --> 00:24:14,801
Speaker 1: for such a young dude, and he did so well.

597
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,521
Speaker 1: I genuinely believe he was like light years ahead of

598
00:24:17,561 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 1: his time in terms of his mindset and just the

599
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,481
Speaker 1: way he thought of for things, you know, on the

600
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: outside exterior. To those who'd see him, they just see like,

601
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: you know this tall fucking jack pretty boy. But on

602
00:24:28,041 --> 00:24:31,241
Speaker 1: the inside, bro, he was a really quirky, really goofy,

603
00:24:31,321 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: intellectual kid and that's a side that many people haven't

604
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: seen of him. So that will be obviously discussed and

605
00:24:37,241 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: showing detail the documentary coming up.

606
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:42,721
Speaker 2: So going back before we talk about your brother, yep,

607
00:24:42,761 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 2: I just want to like, so, now I know that

608
00:24:44,481 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: you were the first one to actually lift the weights,

609
00:24:46,921 --> 00:24:49,561
Speaker 2: lift the weights and motivate him to do he for sure,

610
00:24:50,001 --> 00:24:52,361
Speaker 2: So who pushed you to get on the gear? How

611
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:54,241
Speaker 2: did you get to find out about the year?

612
00:24:54,321 --> 00:24:55,961
Speaker 1: This is a funny one. So it's like a fucking

613
00:24:56,001 --> 00:25:00,120
Speaker 1: rigmarole this one. So I started the gym, and then

614
00:25:00,721 --> 00:25:04,761
Speaker 1: three years on as joined through my influence, and then

615
00:25:05,201 --> 00:25:07,241
Speaker 1: he started getting bigger than me, and I didn't know why.

616
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 1: I thought, maybe this this cunt is just probably just

617
00:25:09,441 --> 00:25:11,561
Speaker 1: training harder than me. I don't know what's happening. And

618
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,681
Speaker 1: then I literally walked in one day and just saw

619
00:25:13,761 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: him like jabbing gear, and I'm like, I was so naive,

620
00:25:16,201 --> 00:25:17,761
Speaker 1: and I was so young. I was like twenty two

621
00:25:17,801 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: and it was eighteen. I was I was twenty one

622
00:25:20,201 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: and he was eighteen I'm like, I'm like, is that

623
00:25:21,961 --> 00:25:24,561
Speaker 1: steroids And he's like yeah. I'm like I'm like, oh,

624
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,241
Speaker 1: so that's why you're getting bigg And I remember he

625
00:25:26,241 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: will do this fuck. He'd play this little game with

626
00:25:28,001 --> 00:25:30,001
Speaker 1: me where he'd like, would weigh ourselves once a week

627
00:25:30,041 --> 00:25:32,761
Speaker 1: to see how heavy we're getting, and little fucker was

628
00:25:32,761 --> 00:25:34,481
Speaker 1: gaining in a killer every week. He went from eighty

629
00:25:34,481 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: to like eighty six, and I was just staying around

630
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: like seventy five, and I was just like, how the

631
00:25:38,761 --> 00:25:40,721
Speaker 1: fuck are you putting on a kill? And even what's happening.

632
00:25:40,921 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 1: I was so I wasso like flabby gas. I didn't

633
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 1: know what the hell was going on. And then I

634
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: walked in on him like having a needle, putting a

635
00:25:47,201 --> 00:25:49,681
Speaker 1: needle in his bum, and I'm like, oh shit, I'm

636
00:25:49,721 --> 00:25:51,521
Speaker 1: like that's what it is. I'm like, you little fucker.

637
00:25:52,041 --> 00:25:53,761
Speaker 1: I'm like, you've been doing this behind my back. I'm like,

638
00:25:53,801 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: come on, man, share some of that secret. Gelling it

639
00:25:55,921 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: to himself. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he was keeping it

640
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: all to himself. He was a little bit it was

641
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: a little bit funny like that, so people would think

642
00:26:01,921 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: it's the other way around it. It was me that influencer. Yeah,

643
00:26:04,281 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 1: I influenced it. And then he wants me to do

644
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: his sis, you know what I mean. So I'm like,

645
00:26:11,041 --> 00:26:13,961
Speaker 1: I'm like Mark. It's like more like best mates, you know.

646
00:26:14,001 --> 00:26:16,001
Speaker 1: It's like monkey see monkey do. He'd copy me, I'd

647
00:26:16,001 --> 00:26:18,561
Speaker 1: copy him. I'd copy him, He'd copy me, and and

648
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,801
Speaker 1: that's why it makes me laugh. Like I remember, a

649
00:26:20,801 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: lot of the flak I copped after his passing was

650
00:26:23,201 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to copy him, and I'm just like, motherfucker,

651
00:26:25,681 --> 00:26:28,281
Speaker 1: what siblings don't copy each other? What are you talking about?

652
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: Of course I copy him, of course he copies me.

653
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,961
Speaker 1: We are one in the same brother. We are one

654
00:26:33,001 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: and the same when we always have been. And I

655
00:26:34,521 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: think we're time people are seeing that more and more.

656
00:26:37,001 --> 00:26:39,001
Speaker 1: And that's where the respect for me came more over

657
00:26:39,041 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: the time that like a thissguy's his own man, he

658
00:26:40,681 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: does his own shit. Yeah, because you can only pretend

659
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: to be someone for so long, you know. But we

660
00:26:45,201 --> 00:26:48,441
Speaker 1: are very very similar but also very different in many respects.

661
00:26:48,521 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: So I think people picked up on that overtime, and

662
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,561
Speaker 1: that's like when the respect came. So I had my

663
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,361
Speaker 1: own journey in building that respect and building my own

664
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: legsy because you know, his legacy was so strong. But

665
00:26:59,281 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: I had to obviously go through my own struggle and

666
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 1: do my own things. So that was a journey in

667
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,001
Speaker 1: itself and that was quite enjoy Actually wouldn't change it

668
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,241
Speaker 1: for the world because it helped me to really understand

669
00:27:08,281 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: who I was and just develop as a man. And

670
00:27:09,961 --> 00:27:12,481
Speaker 1: I think every man needs to go through their own

671
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: struggle before truly becoming a man. So I don't regret anything.

672
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:16,521
Speaker 2: Bro.

673
00:27:17,201 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: It was a really, really good time. So we just

674
00:27:20,481 --> 00:27:24,001
Speaker 1: bounced off each other in terms of like enabling disabling,

675
00:27:24,681 --> 00:27:29,561
Speaker 1: positive things, negative things. We just yeah, we did it all, bro. Yeah,

676
00:27:28,921 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: we both too naughty mascals.

677
00:27:32,321 --> 00:27:35,641
Speaker 2: Would you ever when you took the gear? Yep, tell

678
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 2: people you're on it, because I know I used to

679
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 2: get annoyed when I used to know people were on

680
00:27:38,921 --> 00:27:40,281
Speaker 2: the gear and they go, I'm not on it. Oh.

681
00:27:40,321 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: We were super honest, and that's what people know us for.

682
00:27:42,561 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: People know that we were very very honest about it,

683
00:27:45,561 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: and we will just tell people straight up, especially as Is.

684
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: He would just post it on forums. He's like, oh,

685
00:27:50,761 --> 00:27:53,081
Speaker 1: I'm doing trend two hundred milligrams a week test five

686
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:55,801
Speaker 1: hundred from a pro bladder, and he was like the

687
00:27:55,801 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: first of his kind at that age, was just so

688
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,281
Speaker 1: open and honest about it, when Sarah's was such a taboo,

689
00:28:01,681 --> 00:28:03,721
Speaker 1: Like I love hearing that from you, brother, Like that's

690
00:28:03,761 --> 00:28:05,321
Speaker 1: really nice to hear because a lot of people at

691
00:28:05,321 --> 00:28:07,481
Speaker 1: that time it was such a taboo topic, you know

692
00:28:07,481 --> 00:28:09,521
Speaker 1: what I mean. But with us, he just he didn't

693
00:28:09,521 --> 00:28:11,001
Speaker 1: give a fucking just to just yeah.

694
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,281
Speaker 2: I would never lie to anyone me if anyone as yeah, yeah, same, yeah.

695
00:28:14,521 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: I mean my body didn't show much for it at

696
00:28:16,481 --> 00:28:18,481
Speaker 1: the time, like I was pumping it. I was still small,

697
00:28:18,921 --> 00:28:20,721
Speaker 1: but I still say, but still say I'm on it,

698
00:28:20,761 --> 00:28:23,721
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And now like yeah, I'm

699
00:28:23,761 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: just I still tell people. I just don't see the

700
00:28:26,761 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: point in hiding high. That's so fucking obvious, Like you

701
00:28:30,481 --> 00:28:32,761
Speaker 1: don't have to be a big dude for people to

702
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: like see steroids. If you know your bodybuilding, you can

703
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,921
Speaker 1: see the muscle receptors and shoulders, traps and delts and chests,

704
00:28:38,921 --> 00:28:40,801
Speaker 1: and you just you know what to look for. You

705
00:28:40,841 --> 00:28:43,281
Speaker 1: can see the telltale signs. So anyone that lies about it,

706
00:28:43,281 --> 00:28:44,921
Speaker 1: it's just kind of pathetic, you know me, because I

707
00:28:45,001 --> 00:28:46,041
Speaker 1: used to be get called you're a cheat.

708
00:28:46,081 --> 00:28:47,281
Speaker 2: You're a cheat. You why can't you do it?

709
00:28:47,361 --> 00:28:49,361
Speaker 1: I didn't understand that, bro, I didn't. I didn't get

710
00:28:49,361 --> 00:28:51,641
Speaker 1: the whole cheat this cheat that. Brother, I'm not playing football,

711
00:28:51,641 --> 00:28:54,281
Speaker 1: I'm not fucking I'm not in varsity leagues and the

712
00:28:54,321 --> 00:28:56,801
Speaker 1: top end of fucking playing like state football or soccer.

713
00:28:56,881 --> 00:28:59,961
Speaker 1: How am I a cheat? Like bodybuilding is a steroids sport.

714
00:29:00,001 --> 00:29:02,201
Speaker 1: Everyone's on steroids. So if I'm a cheat, everyone's a cheat.

715
00:29:02,241 --> 00:29:03,761
Speaker 2: DH. But I used to tell around and saying, listen,

716
00:29:04,001 --> 00:29:06,081
Speaker 2: you've got your fucking female you like to get their botox.

717
00:29:06,201 --> 00:29:09,121
Speaker 1: I like to get more steroids. Yeah, simple as that. Brother.

718
00:29:10,241 --> 00:29:11,681
Speaker 1: You couldn't have said it any better than me. And

719
00:29:11,681 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: the way I said It's like, it doesn't matter how

720
00:29:13,761 --> 00:29:14,761
Speaker 1: you got the Lamborghini.

721
00:29:15,001 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

722
00:29:15,481 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, you still have the

723
00:29:16,441 --> 00:29:19,521
Speaker 1: fucking Lamborghini, right, Like, whether you've got it like legitimately

724
00:29:19,761 --> 00:29:21,681
Speaker 1: or you fucking didn't, Like, you still got the fucking

725
00:29:21,721 --> 00:29:23,321
Speaker 1: color that people want. Yeah, you know what I mean.

726
00:29:23,361 --> 00:29:25,721
Speaker 1: And that's what I try to say with bodybelling. I'm like,

727
00:29:26,041 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: all right, whether you're on stars and the off strows

728
00:29:28,561 --> 00:29:30,881
Speaker 1: doesn't undermine the fact that you've got a fucking insane

729
00:29:30,961 --> 00:29:32,601
Speaker 1: rig Yeah, and that's all that matters the end of

730
00:29:32,641 --> 00:29:34,641
Speaker 1: the day. People just throw the word steroids or I'm

731
00:29:34,641 --> 00:29:37,881
Speaker 1: mostly lazy people of fat people or jealous people. Yeah, exactly,

732
00:29:37,921 --> 00:29:40,601
Speaker 1: because they can't achieve it, bro, with all without steroids.

733
00:29:40,641 --> 00:29:42,961
Speaker 1: Give them a fucking ten year course of the best

734
00:29:43,321 --> 00:29:45,081
Speaker 1: steroids in the world, they still wouldn't look half as

735
00:29:45,121 --> 00:29:46,641
Speaker 1: good as your you know what I mean. And that's

736
00:29:46,641 --> 00:29:49,241
Speaker 1: the truth, bro. So they they throw these blanket statements

737
00:29:49,281 --> 00:29:51,801
Speaker 1: to mask the reality of the situation, which is that

738
00:29:51,881 --> 00:29:54,721
Speaker 1: they can't have the courage and the balls to fucking

739
00:29:54,761 --> 00:29:57,201
Speaker 1: train hard and be dedicated and die and do it themselves.

740
00:29:57,201 --> 00:29:59,161
Speaker 1: So yeah, of course it's an easy thing to just

741
00:29:59,441 --> 00:30:01,161
Speaker 1: throw back at someone and then and then have that

742
00:30:01,201 --> 00:30:04,201
Speaker 1: as your safety, that to feel better about yourself. But really, bro,

743
00:30:04,201 --> 00:30:06,481
Speaker 1: if someone says I'm a steroids now, like I take

744
00:30:06,481 --> 00:30:08,161
Speaker 1: it as a compliment, and I'm like, well, what fuck

745
00:30:08,201 --> 00:30:11,441
Speaker 1: I better look like I'm on steroids. I'm doing something

746
00:30:11,481 --> 00:30:14,121
Speaker 1: fucking wrong obviously, you know. So how did it feel

747
00:30:14,161 --> 00:30:16,201
Speaker 1: when you talk it like for the first time? Amazing,

748
00:30:16,641 --> 00:30:20,121
Speaker 1: fucking I still remember like it was yesterday, Like nothing's changed,

749
00:30:20,161 --> 00:30:21,921
Speaker 1: But I felt like fucking Superman.

750
00:30:22,081 --> 00:30:23,641
Speaker 2: But did it make use? When I remember when I

751
00:30:23,641 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: took it and I was seeing the changes, it just

752
00:30:25,601 --> 00:30:27,681
Speaker 2: makes you want to work out more and push your

753
00:30:27,721 --> 00:30:28,921
Speaker 2: body and push yourself more.

754
00:30:29,721 --> 00:30:32,281
Speaker 1: What he could achieve, just it motivated me more bro

755
00:30:32,881 --> 00:30:35,761
Speaker 1: With a lot of people that do sterois incorrectly, it

756
00:30:35,801 --> 00:30:38,481
Speaker 1: makes them lazier. For me, it did the exact opposite.

757
00:30:38,561 --> 00:30:40,561
Speaker 1: It made me more hungry. I'm like, wow, this is

758
00:30:40,601 --> 00:30:42,801
Speaker 1: what this is what the human body is capable of.

759
00:30:42,881 --> 00:30:44,881
Speaker 1: I'm like, imagine if I just keep doing this for

760
00:30:44,881 --> 00:30:47,521
Speaker 1: another five years, Or imagine if I get a coach,

761
00:30:47,761 --> 00:30:49,721
Speaker 1: or I clean up my diet, or I just take

762
00:30:49,761 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: my shit seriously, and I just stopped fucking partying and

763
00:30:51,481 --> 00:30:54,081
Speaker 1: go to DCMS, Imagine what I can actually end up

764
00:30:54,121 --> 00:30:56,121
Speaker 1: doing with my physique, you know, Like I actually thought that,

765
00:30:56,281 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: and I was well on my way until obviously tragedy

766
00:30:59,601 --> 00:31:01,121
Speaker 1: hit me, and then and then I went in a

767
00:31:01,121 --> 00:31:04,481
Speaker 1: world wood of just drugs and partying, and then after

768
00:31:04,681 --> 00:31:06,641
Speaker 1: I heal from that, then I went back to bodybuilding.

769
00:31:06,721 --> 00:31:08,961
Speaker 1: So when I saw the changes in my body, it

770
00:31:09,401 --> 00:31:11,281
Speaker 1: motivated me to obviously.

771
00:31:10,921 --> 00:31:12,681
Speaker 2: Keep using What was the first one you started with?

772
00:31:13,841 --> 00:31:16,361
Speaker 2: It was test prope. Yeah, it was test prope.

773
00:31:16,521 --> 00:31:18,561
Speaker 1: I don't know why I should have just started with anything,

774
00:31:19,241 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: because the corks was a really good way of scaring

775
00:31:21,721 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: someone off for the first time, let me tell you.

776
00:31:24,361 --> 00:31:26,761
Speaker 1: And I remember sitting there brother in my car with

777
00:31:26,801 --> 00:31:29,321
Speaker 1: a mate because I couldn't do it myself, like within

778
00:31:29,361 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: one hour pep talk before getting it, honestly, So I

779
00:31:33,241 --> 00:31:35,081
Speaker 1: had a needle phobia, bro, I had a proper needle

780
00:31:35,081 --> 00:31:37,401
Speaker 1: phobia before getting like the jab And back then we

781
00:31:37,441 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: didn't know that you can use like the small insulin

782
00:31:39,841 --> 00:31:42,641
Speaker 1: needles for subcutaneous injections, so we're using the big blue

783
00:31:42,681 --> 00:31:47,041
Speaker 1: and green heads. It was horrific, like unnecessarily and I'm

784
00:31:47,121 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: just like, fuck, I'm I all right here. We got

785
00:31:48,561 --> 00:31:50,601
Speaker 1: have to like add myself up, bite onto fucking pillow

786
00:31:50,641 --> 00:31:52,881
Speaker 1: and just just get ready to have the shot. You know.

787
00:31:52,921 --> 00:31:56,161
Speaker 1: It was a process, a process, and now it's at

788
00:31:56,161 --> 00:32:02,401
Speaker 1: a level now where like I fucking like, I get

789
00:32:02,441 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: excited for my job, so I do my eyes closed, bro,

790
00:32:04,681 --> 00:32:07,161
Speaker 1: just like, but my missus sees me jabbing all the time.

791
00:32:07,161 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: She's like, you're sick, Like for my last for my

792
00:32:09,561 --> 00:32:12,681
Speaker 1: last comprep, I'm doing like el carnatine and fucking tran

793
00:32:12,801 --> 00:32:14,841
Speaker 1: and this and that, and I'm jabbing and I'm like

794
00:32:14,881 --> 00:32:17,321
Speaker 1: leaving the needles hanging off my shoulder. I'm like, check

795
00:32:17,361 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: this out, just being a clown, you know. And she's like, babe,

796
00:32:20,001 --> 00:32:22,641
Speaker 1: like you're sick, man, like you're honestly sick for me,

797
00:32:22,681 --> 00:32:25,281
Speaker 1: and I just I forget back to when I thought,

798
00:32:25,361 --> 00:32:27,241
Speaker 1: like my fuck, Like like fifteen years ago, I was

799
00:32:27,281 --> 00:32:30,601
Speaker 1: fucking petrified of the shit. But yeah, man, now it's

800
00:32:31,041 --> 00:32:32,001
Speaker 1: it's no big deal.

801
00:32:32,201 --> 00:32:32,361
Speaker 2: You know.

802
00:32:32,481 --> 00:32:35,561
Speaker 1: Now, Obviously at an older age, I cycle. I don't

803
00:32:35,601 --> 00:32:37,321
Speaker 1: cycle on and off. Rather, let me correct that I

804
00:32:37,561 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: will go through periods of blasting and cruising. So right

805
00:32:40,561 --> 00:32:43,641
Speaker 1: now I'm going to cruise just doing the TRT, and

806
00:32:44,721 --> 00:32:47,881
Speaker 1: after I come back from Turkey, I'm gonna start bulking again.

807
00:32:48,241 --> 00:32:50,121
Speaker 1: I want to get to about one oh five. I'm

808
00:32:50,121 --> 00:32:53,481
Speaker 1: sitting roughly right now, I'm around ninety two ninety three.

809
00:32:53,681 --> 00:32:55,641
Speaker 1: I want to clean bulk to about one oh five,

810
00:32:56,001 --> 00:32:58,721
Speaker 1: and then I want to start slipping back down and

811
00:32:58,721 --> 00:33:01,241
Speaker 1: be like high eighties, low nineties for my next comp

812
00:33:01,281 --> 00:33:03,681
Speaker 1: with the ip B, which will be end of next year.

813
00:33:04,161 --> 00:33:05,681
Speaker 2: So I want to give myself time. I don't want

814
00:33:05,681 --> 00:33:08,161
Speaker 2: to just go and do end of this year early

815
00:33:08,201 --> 00:33:08,601
Speaker 2: next year.

816
00:33:08,601 --> 00:33:10,841
Speaker 1: Because I did really good for my first time in

817
00:33:10,921 --> 00:33:13,881
Speaker 1: IPB bro so before I fib I'm not sure if

818
00:33:13,881 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: you know, I got my WBFF pro card and then

819
00:33:16,281 --> 00:33:18,361
Speaker 1: I was like, well that was easy. I want to

820
00:33:18,361 --> 00:33:22,321
Speaker 1: try Iphaba and yeah, I've got first place in Novice

821
00:33:22,401 --> 00:33:24,961
Speaker 1: recently second in the opens and then in nationals in

822
00:33:24,961 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: the whole country. I came forth, so I thought to myself,

823
00:33:27,481 --> 00:33:29,121
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm just going to take a year

824
00:33:29,161 --> 00:33:32,201
Speaker 1: to come back even fucking bigger and then like win

825
00:33:32,281 --> 00:33:34,961
Speaker 1: it all. I mean, in my eyes, I still thought

826
00:33:35,001 --> 00:33:36,761
Speaker 1: I should have won. I thought it looked. I think

827
00:33:36,961 --> 00:33:39,801
Speaker 1: we spoke about it when when the DM. Yeah, like

828
00:33:40,001 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: and I'm always going to think that, because if you

829
00:33:41,441 --> 00:33:43,641
Speaker 1: don't think that about yourself, then you don't think much

830
00:33:43,641 --> 00:33:45,321
Speaker 1: of yourself, do you. You know what I mean? In

831
00:33:45,321 --> 00:33:47,361
Speaker 1: my eyes, I'm like, well, I'm bigger, I'm leaner, but

832
00:33:48,081 --> 00:33:50,721
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. In hindsight, looking at the

833
00:33:50,721 --> 00:33:52,641
Speaker 1: guy who won, he was, yeah, he was a little

834
00:33:52,641 --> 00:33:54,681
Speaker 1: bit more conditioned than I am, a little bit more crisp.

835
00:33:55,401 --> 00:33:57,681
Speaker 1: But I look at it from a different perspective. I've

836
00:33:57,681 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: looked at it from like who would do better in

837
00:33:59,241 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: a pro show? And obviously it's going to be the

838
00:34:01,241 --> 00:34:02,841
Speaker 1: bigger guy, you know what I mean, because they're a lot.

839
00:34:02,881 --> 00:34:05,681
Speaker 1: They're bigger guys in the IPB pro leagues, in actual

840
00:34:05,681 --> 00:34:08,921
Speaker 1: pro shows, then the amateur shows. So that's the way

841
00:34:08,961 --> 00:34:10,721
Speaker 1: I was looking at it. But I know what to

842
00:34:10,721 --> 00:34:12,041
Speaker 1: do for my next comp. I'm going to come in

843
00:34:12,081 --> 00:34:15,761
Speaker 1: even bigger and even leaner, and then you know, the

844
00:34:15,841 --> 00:34:17,841
Speaker 1: judges aren't left with much of a decision. You know,

845
00:34:17,881 --> 00:34:19,841
Speaker 1: when you take the decision out of the judges hands

846
00:34:19,841 --> 00:34:22,401
Speaker 1: and you come in with the best package, that's when

847
00:34:22,441 --> 00:34:25,401
Speaker 1: you literally can say you've done all the work, all

848
00:34:25,441 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: the hard work, and then just give it your best, bro.

849
00:34:27,561 --> 00:34:28,561
Speaker 1: So that's my plan.

850
00:34:28,681 --> 00:34:30,161
Speaker 2: How are you with the prepping?

851
00:34:30,401 --> 00:34:30,761
Speaker 1: Does it like?

852
00:34:30,801 --> 00:34:33,041
Speaker 2: Because I remember when I was preppering, it took about

853
00:34:33,041 --> 00:34:35,361
Speaker 2: five ten years off me. Here like at the end

854
00:34:35,361 --> 00:34:38,321
Speaker 2: of it, I just I felt drained. Yeah, well this

855
00:34:38,401 --> 00:34:41,081
Speaker 2: is just like people don't realize how hard it is

856
00:34:41,121 --> 00:34:43,321
Speaker 2: to yeah weeks, you know what I mean.

857
00:34:43,321 --> 00:34:45,201
Speaker 1: It's not like shredding for stereo, mate, this is like

858
00:34:45,241 --> 00:34:48,481
Speaker 1: the real fucking thing, you know. Yeah, Like I did

859
00:34:48,481 --> 00:34:50,561
Speaker 1: three back to back comps and this is why now

860
00:34:51,161 --> 00:34:53,321
Speaker 1: I had to take two or three months of training.

861
00:34:53,361 --> 00:34:56,561
Speaker 1: First time in my life. I've never gone my whole

862
00:34:56,561 --> 00:34:58,361
Speaker 1: life without a week without training. This is the first

863
00:34:58,401 --> 00:35:01,241
Speaker 1: time in my life I've actually done that. So yeah,

864
00:35:01,321 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: and it was hard, bro. It was hard on my relationship.

865
00:35:05,241 --> 00:35:07,241
Speaker 1: I was hard on my family. It was hard on me.

866
00:35:07,881 --> 00:35:08,961
Speaker 1: It was fucking hard.

867
00:35:09,121 --> 00:35:11,201
Speaker 2: So for you had about bigger goals than me, like

868
00:35:11,521 --> 00:35:12,841
Speaker 2: when I did it, because I was a novice for

869
00:35:12,921 --> 00:35:16,561
Speaker 2: doing it. But I remember the last seven weeks of

870
00:35:16,801 --> 00:35:19,681
Speaker 2: prepping for my colm, I was smelling ice cream, bro

871
00:35:19,801 --> 00:35:21,841
Speaker 2: from the freezer. How was that fucked up?

872
00:35:21,921 --> 00:35:24,121
Speaker 1: Well? The good thing now, my bro is I have

873
00:35:24,201 --> 00:35:26,681
Speaker 1: this thing called the Dinger Creamer. You can make low

874
00:35:26,721 --> 00:35:31,121
Speaker 1: calorie ice cream. We're just water and a scooba protein.

875
00:35:31,681 --> 00:35:34,641
Speaker 1: We're just water and a Scoopa protein. There's so many tricks. Now.

876
00:35:35,201 --> 00:35:38,241
Speaker 1: We have things called retroglue tide, which is like Ozambique

877
00:35:38,241 --> 00:35:40,681
Speaker 1: but without the muscle wastage. Not that I've used it,

878
00:35:40,721 --> 00:35:43,161
Speaker 1: if anyone's wondering, might on my next prep did on

879
00:35:43,201 --> 00:35:46,121
Speaker 1: my last I really fucking suffered. But there's tricks to do. Now.

880
00:35:46,121 --> 00:35:47,921
Speaker 1: You know, there's ice cream machines now like that they

881
00:35:47,961 --> 00:35:49,681
Speaker 1: can make. I've got a homemade ice cream machine. You

882
00:35:49,761 --> 00:35:51,881
Speaker 1: put water in there, I'll put a Scooper protein. I'll

883
00:35:51,881 --> 00:35:54,521
Speaker 1: put this ingredient called xanthem gum which stick ins the

884
00:35:54,561 --> 00:35:57,001
Speaker 1: water and the protein mix ice cream. You let it

885
00:35:57,041 --> 00:35:58,721
Speaker 1: freeze for twenty four hours and you put it through

886
00:35:58,721 --> 00:36:01,201
Speaker 1: ice cream, and you get a pint of ice cream, mate,

887
00:36:01,321 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: and it's like one hundred and fifty calories, the same

888
00:36:03,441 --> 00:36:06,121
Speaker 1: calories as a protein shape, and it just fills you

889
00:36:06,201 --> 00:36:07,801
Speaker 1: up and you could just eat on that all day.

890
00:36:07,841 --> 00:36:11,121
Speaker 1: So there's tricks now you can do that takes the

891
00:36:11,161 --> 00:36:14,601
Speaker 1: cravings and that hunger away, but it still doesn't take

892
00:36:14,601 --> 00:36:16,961
Speaker 1: away the fact that it's fucking hard. It's still fucking

893
00:36:16,961 --> 00:36:19,041
Speaker 1: hard to do. It's not it's not easy. And then

894
00:36:19,081 --> 00:36:21,481
Speaker 1: saying that, yeah, I suffered a lot, bro and it

895
00:36:21,521 --> 00:36:24,561
Speaker 1: took a lot of time. Every every compass and every

896
00:36:24,561 --> 00:36:26,801
Speaker 1: prep has been challenging in their own way. And every

897
00:36:26,801 --> 00:36:28,321
Speaker 1: time I come out of it and I have to

898
00:36:28,401 --> 00:36:31,921
Speaker 1: like let loose, like really hard, and then I'm able

899
00:36:31,961 --> 00:36:34,081
Speaker 1: to focus again. Like when I won my WFF Pro

900
00:36:34,161 --> 00:36:36,041
Speaker 1: card again, I went to Bali and I went to Mexico.

901
00:36:36,081 --> 00:36:38,561
Speaker 1: I partied my fucking ass off, and then I partied

902
00:36:38,601 --> 00:36:40,761
Speaker 1: so hard. I'm like, all right, I'm fucking over this, mate,

903
00:36:40,801 --> 00:36:42,721
Speaker 1: and I want to go back to bodybuildings. So I

904
00:36:42,761 --> 00:36:44,521
Speaker 1: have to do that personally. I can't say the same

905
00:36:44,521 --> 00:36:46,721
Speaker 1: for everyone else, but I have to do that because

906
00:36:46,721 --> 00:36:50,081
Speaker 1: I've been so restricted when I prep that I miss birthdays,

907
00:36:50,121 --> 00:36:53,681
Speaker 1: family events, barbecues, functions, weddings, this that, and I just

908
00:36:53,681 --> 00:36:56,681
Speaker 1: feel like a fucking like one of those autistic bodybuilders

909
00:36:56,681 --> 00:36:58,601
Speaker 1: just eating from the top away contained. I'm just like,

910
00:36:58,721 --> 00:37:00,921
Speaker 1: bro like that, I remember, you know what I mean,

911
00:37:00,921 --> 00:37:02,841
Speaker 1: And it's just like deep down like I remember what

912
00:37:02,881 --> 00:37:04,521
Speaker 1: I used to be like when I was younger, like

913
00:37:04,801 --> 00:37:06,681
Speaker 1: enjoying the body building for what it was and just

914
00:37:06,681 --> 00:37:08,961
Speaker 1: partying and then and then I have to release that

915
00:37:09,041 --> 00:37:11,161
Speaker 1: side of me to be able to get the hunger

916
00:37:11,161 --> 00:37:13,201
Speaker 1: to do it again, because I can't just go back

917
00:37:13,201 --> 00:37:15,281
Speaker 1: to back shows. That's why I look at these competitors,

918
00:37:15,361 --> 00:37:18,121
Speaker 1: these young guns like Seabuming, all these guys on the

919
00:37:18,161 --> 00:37:19,881
Speaker 1: scene now that they can do it like ten years

920
00:37:19,881 --> 00:37:23,681
Speaker 1: straight back to back comps without having proper like a

921
00:37:23,721 --> 00:37:25,961
Speaker 1: party time and a party period, just coming off and

922
00:37:26,041 --> 00:37:28,321
Speaker 1: enjoying their life like properly enjoying their life, not just

923
00:37:28,361 --> 00:37:30,921
Speaker 1: eating whatever food you want, like like properly just like

924
00:37:31,001 --> 00:37:33,601
Speaker 1: letting loose, you know what I mean? Or for all

925
00:37:33,601 --> 00:37:35,641
Speaker 1: I know, they probably might be who knows, But I

926
00:37:35,681 --> 00:37:37,521
Speaker 1: feel like that's important to be able to then go

927
00:37:37,601 --> 00:37:40,601
Speaker 1: and prep because, as you know, it fucks your bro mentally.

928
00:37:40,801 --> 00:37:43,281
Speaker 1: It drains the life out of your Yeah, it takes

929
00:37:43,361 --> 00:37:45,361
Speaker 1: years off your life. Yeah.

930
00:37:45,401 --> 00:37:48,281
Speaker 2: Have you had any major injuries, like from doing bodybuilding

931
00:37:48,281 --> 00:37:49,201
Speaker 2: and weights and all like that.

932
00:37:49,721 --> 00:37:52,841
Speaker 1: I mean, you've been look yoursel far uh funny enough,

933
00:37:52,961 --> 00:37:57,441
Speaker 1: I haven't had any injuries from bodybuilding. I've had a

934
00:37:57,481 --> 00:38:00,961
Speaker 1: Grade one tear in my shoulder, yeah, and that was

935
00:38:01,041 --> 00:38:03,561
Speaker 1: just from wrestling. I was just wrestling with a mate

936
00:38:03,561 --> 00:38:05,641
Speaker 1: when I was drunk, and yeah, just to fucking tear

937
00:38:05,641 --> 00:38:07,721
Speaker 1: on my shoulder. But I was lucky because that's just

938
00:38:07,761 --> 00:38:10,161
Speaker 1: a Grade one and held on his own physio. But

939
00:38:10,441 --> 00:38:12,361
Speaker 1: you know, I was just talking to my missus before

940
00:38:12,361 --> 00:38:14,761
Speaker 1: we got into here. She tore her acl when we

941
00:38:14,801 --> 00:38:17,641
Speaker 1: went on our skiing trip in Threadburrow, like the whole

942
00:38:17,681 --> 00:38:20,361
Speaker 1: a cl like completely off the bone, and I'm just

943
00:38:20,361 --> 00:38:24,081
Speaker 1: like thinking, fuck, so happy was you not me? Because

944
00:38:24,441 --> 00:38:27,041
Speaker 1: that would be my body Billy can be finished. She's like,

945
00:38:27,081 --> 00:38:29,161
Speaker 1: I'm happy as me too, you know. But it's such

946
00:38:29,161 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: a serious injury. Bro. I've got her on like peptides

947
00:38:32,041 --> 00:38:37,041
Speaker 1: and doing hyperbaric oxygen, chamber therapy, red light therapy, physiotherapy, everything, bro,

948
00:38:37,161 --> 00:38:38,881
Speaker 1: And like now we're just prepping her up to get

949
00:38:38,881 --> 00:38:41,481
Speaker 1: surgery and making sure her knee is strong and stabilized.

950
00:38:41,481 --> 00:38:44,481
Speaker 1: So God willing, God bless. I haven't got any injuries

951
00:38:44,521 --> 00:38:46,641
Speaker 1: like that. I've just had the one grade one tear

952
00:38:46,641 --> 00:38:48,761
Speaker 1: in my shoulder and that's it, Bro, What about yourself? Me?

953
00:38:49,681 --> 00:38:53,081
Speaker 2: I would just slight tolet's hair in the bicep grade one,

954
00:38:53,121 --> 00:38:56,641
Speaker 2: grade two, grade three, grade two. Then now I got

955
00:38:56,641 --> 00:38:58,241
Speaker 2: away with it by taking steroids to mendy.

956
00:38:58,481 --> 00:39:01,921
Speaker 1: Oh nice peptides. Just steroids. You gotta get on the

957
00:39:01,961 --> 00:39:04,681
Speaker 1: good stuff for the peptis. Pep pies are the way

958
00:39:04,721 --> 00:39:05,001
Speaker 1: with a few.

959
00:39:05,441 --> 00:39:07,521
Speaker 2: I used to take peptides, but then I fucking I

960
00:39:07,561 --> 00:39:09,441
Speaker 2: don't know, I just it doesn't agree with me. I

961
00:39:09,521 --> 00:39:11,441
Speaker 2: just didn't like them. I just fucking yeah, I didn't

962
00:39:11,601 --> 00:39:12,921
Speaker 2: didn't didn't like it.

963
00:39:13,201 --> 00:39:14,881
Speaker 1: Didn't like them or I didn't feel them. I just

964
00:39:14,921 --> 00:39:16,961
Speaker 1: didn't feel them. I didn't think it was doing anything

965
00:39:17,001 --> 00:39:19,721
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, it can be like that. I understand

966
00:39:19,761 --> 00:39:22,561
Speaker 1: that mindset. It's it's one of those things where it's

967
00:39:23,401 --> 00:39:26,441
Speaker 1: not like the major part of like getting the healing,

968
00:39:26,561 --> 00:39:28,961
Speaker 1: like i'd say it's like twenty percent. And then if

969
00:39:29,001 --> 00:39:32,561
Speaker 1: you're doing steroids and physiotherapy and you know, all this

970
00:39:32,681 --> 00:39:35,041
Speaker 1: other recovery stuff, you don't notice that the peptides are

971
00:39:35,041 --> 00:39:38,761
Speaker 1: doing much work. But it's like every little thing is

972
00:39:38,841 --> 00:39:41,001
Speaker 1: making a difference in the recovery. That's the best way

973
00:39:41,041 --> 00:39:43,081
Speaker 1: of describing it, you know what I mean. So like

974
00:39:43,161 --> 00:39:46,521
Speaker 1: the physiotherapy is making most of the difference. Time is

975
00:39:46,921 --> 00:39:50,841
Speaker 1: obviously the second biggest factor. Food, rest recovery, and then

976
00:39:51,081 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: the little yeah, masking the pain works. Masking the pain

977
00:39:55,521 --> 00:39:57,521
Speaker 1: works too, I was doing. And then you have your

978
00:39:57,521 --> 00:39:59,801
Speaker 1: little things like peptides is just all these little additional

979
00:39:59,881 --> 00:40:02,841
Speaker 1: things redlight and all these things that help. But I mean,

980
00:40:02,921 --> 00:40:04,721
Speaker 1: if you talk about in terms of bank for buck,

981
00:40:04,801 --> 00:40:08,721
Speaker 1: then yeah, sit gets expensive, bro, like her physiotherapy now

982
00:40:08,841 --> 00:40:11,201
Speaker 1: and peptides and this and that it's costing so much, bro,

983
00:40:11,321 --> 00:40:14,921
Speaker 1: and the surgery. Fuck, it's expensive. So I just you know,

984
00:40:14,961 --> 00:40:17,081
Speaker 1: I've come to an age now. I train smart. I

985
00:40:17,201 --> 00:40:19,561
Speaker 1: always allow my muscles to warm up. If I'm coming

986
00:40:19,601 --> 00:40:21,441
Speaker 1: in to the gym and I'm feeling shitty on that

987
00:40:21,521 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: fucking day, I ain't gonna try to be a fucking

988
00:40:23,561 --> 00:40:25,881
Speaker 1: hero and just try to do something that like I

989
00:40:25,961 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: can normally do when I'm like on a full nights

990
00:40:28,041 --> 00:40:30,961
Speaker 1: of sleep and well fared and like you know, properly

991
00:40:31,641 --> 00:40:33,521
Speaker 1: progressed up to a level where I can lift a

992
00:40:33,601 --> 00:40:35,681
Speaker 1: certain weight and do that. I'll just take it easy.

993
00:40:35,801 --> 00:40:37,641
Speaker 1: So I listened to my body a little bit more.

994
00:40:37,681 --> 00:40:39,641
Speaker 2: Now that's my yeah.

995
00:40:39,681 --> 00:40:41,761
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because when you're younger, as you know, you're just

996
00:40:41,881 --> 00:40:43,441
Speaker 1: going there with like such an ego and you can

997
00:40:43,521 --> 00:40:45,041
Speaker 1: lift the way it's sure you can, but there's there's

998
00:40:45,041 --> 00:40:47,081
Speaker 1: gonna be that one time where you might have gone

999
00:40:47,081 --> 00:40:49,201
Speaker 1: out on a bender, or had the full eight to

1000
00:40:49,281 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: ten hours of sleep, or maybe might have skipped a meal,

1001
00:40:51,521 --> 00:40:53,441
Speaker 1: you might be slowly under the weather, and then you

1002
00:40:53,521 --> 00:40:54,841
Speaker 1: come in and you try to do what you do

1003
00:40:55,241 --> 00:40:57,801
Speaker 1: when you're normally at one hundred percent, and then that's

1004
00:40:57,801 --> 00:40:59,761
Speaker 1: when you get a tweak. It's when you get a tear,

1005
00:40:59,761 --> 00:41:01,841
Speaker 1: It's when you get a just location, It's when anything

1006
00:41:01,881 --> 00:41:02,281
Speaker 1: can happen.

1007
00:41:02,321 --> 00:41:04,601
Speaker 2: Bro, how did you get the bisy to her I

1008
00:41:04,641 --> 00:41:08,481
Speaker 2: left too much for a bicycle kill. I was doing

1009
00:41:08,561 --> 00:41:09,801
Speaker 2: on the bench, so I thought, I can do this.

1010
00:41:10,001 --> 00:41:12,081
Speaker 2: I've done it before, like the Calim von Mogat thing. Oh,

1011
00:41:12,281 --> 00:41:15,201
Speaker 2: like the oh ship man. So then I was going

1012
00:41:15,361 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: and I go lifting, and I just kept went, kept

1013
00:41:17,521 --> 00:41:18,961
Speaker 2: on and kept on for it and that's all right,

1014
00:41:19,081 --> 00:41:20,441
Speaker 2: it's just a twitch. And then I went and I

1015
00:41:20,561 --> 00:41:21,881
Speaker 2: kept and then it went and I had to drop.

1016
00:41:21,921 --> 00:41:23,841
Speaker 1: I just dropped it and I could kick damn man.

1017
00:41:24,041 --> 00:41:26,201
Speaker 2: So then I may have been what I am. I

1018
00:41:26,321 --> 00:41:29,201
Speaker 2: rested it. I'd done some phyzy on it took some steroids,

1019
00:41:29,521 --> 00:41:31,241
Speaker 2: but then it was still there. And what I did

1020
00:41:31,481 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: was work around it. Ill work around it by taking painkillers. Yeah,

1021
00:41:34,681 --> 00:41:36,881
Speaker 2: so I so I could still train because I didn't

1022
00:41:36,881 --> 00:41:39,321
Speaker 2: want you kept training. I kept training with it on.

1023
00:41:39,521 --> 00:41:42,521
Speaker 2: Like how soon after the injury, probably six weeks. I

1024
00:41:42,681 --> 00:41:44,561
Speaker 2: kept taking painkillers and paint us too. But so he

1025
00:41:44,601 --> 00:41:49,761
Speaker 2: took six weeks off great too. It's it's just it

1026
00:41:49,801 --> 00:41:51,521
Speaker 2: would have it would have hurt, especially if you kept

1027
00:41:51,561 --> 00:41:52,081
Speaker 2: lifting her bit.

1028
00:41:52,721 --> 00:41:54,841
Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaking of which, when I'm back from Turkey, WI

1029
00:41:54,841 --> 00:41:57,641
Speaker 1: should get a training session. Bro. Let me just build

1030
00:41:57,721 --> 00:42:02,161
Speaker 1: up my strength. We'll have a session. Bro, We'll have

1031
00:42:02,201 --> 00:42:02,881
Speaker 1: a session. Man.

1032
00:42:03,041 --> 00:42:05,081
Speaker 2: You told me before that you know your brother, you

1033
00:42:05,081 --> 00:42:06,521
Speaker 2: would have liked to have been on stage with you, bro.

1034
00:42:06,721 --> 00:42:07,041
Speaker 1: For sure.

1035
00:42:07,281 --> 00:42:08,321
Speaker 2: Did he ever compete?

1036
00:42:08,761 --> 00:42:11,881
Speaker 1: Nah, he never competed and he never had ambitions for competing.

1037
00:42:11,961 --> 00:42:15,241
Speaker 1: But you know, it's nice to think and just imagine it,

1038
00:42:15,321 --> 00:42:17,761
Speaker 1: you know. So it was more to just do the influencer,

1039
00:42:17,761 --> 00:42:21,921
Speaker 1: and his trajectory was different to mine. He just obviously

1040
00:42:22,001 --> 00:42:25,041
Speaker 1: loved the social media and the influencing and yeah, you know,

1041
00:42:25,121 --> 00:42:28,281
Speaker 1: he was already like doing little cameo roles in Underbelly

1042
00:42:28,321 --> 00:42:30,401
Speaker 1: and things like that. Like he was already like and

1043
00:42:30,841 --> 00:42:33,081
Speaker 1: doing National road Trip and all these little side projects.

1044
00:42:33,441 --> 00:42:35,241
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. He would have been like

1045
00:42:35,361 --> 00:42:37,641
Speaker 1: in in cinema and film. I don't think he would

1046
00:42:37,641 --> 00:42:40,441
Speaker 1: have taken the full bodybuilding route and competed and do

1047
00:42:40,681 --> 00:42:42,441
Speaker 1: like what I'm doing. I think he would have just

1048
00:42:42,641 --> 00:42:45,761
Speaker 1: been like an influencer, like slash like celebrity and just

1049
00:42:45,841 --> 00:42:49,561
Speaker 1: like a big name. I don't see him. It feels

1050
00:42:49,561 --> 00:42:52,161
Speaker 1: around bodybuilding to like the levels that like I have

1051
00:42:52,361 --> 00:42:54,081
Speaker 1: and that doing all the comps. I just like, it's

1052
00:42:54,121 --> 00:42:57,321
Speaker 1: hard to imagine, but it's nice to imagine at the

1053
00:42:57,321 --> 00:42:59,161
Speaker 1: same time, you know, like I always think to myself,

1054
00:42:59,281 --> 00:43:01,721
Speaker 1: like it would have been cool to compete alongside him,

1055
00:43:01,761 --> 00:43:05,481
Speaker 1: but yeah, his trajectory was going somewhere completely different. And

1056
00:43:05,561 --> 00:43:08,521
Speaker 1: then I mean he's passing it little fire in me,

1057
00:43:08,641 --> 00:43:11,121
Speaker 1: like most people would crumble, but for me, it little

1058
00:43:11,161 --> 00:43:13,241
Speaker 1: fire in me, you know, with such a heavy legacy

1059
00:43:13,281 --> 00:43:15,401
Speaker 1: on my shoulders and such big shoes to feel, I'm like,

1060
00:43:15,481 --> 00:43:17,921
Speaker 1: fuck it just it's such a huge fire in me

1061
00:43:18,001 --> 00:43:20,241
Speaker 1: to train and just to just become something, you know,

1062
00:43:20,921 --> 00:43:23,921
Speaker 1: and I owe all my physique and my gains and

1063
00:43:24,081 --> 00:43:25,881
Speaker 1: my success, I owe it all to him. You know.

1064
00:43:26,001 --> 00:43:28,601
Speaker 1: He was the fire and the light behind my life

1065
00:43:28,721 --> 00:43:30,681
Speaker 1: to push me forward, bro, you know, like most people

1066
00:43:30,721 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: would crumble and just disappearing with a way. I used

1067
00:43:33,481 --> 00:43:33,961
Speaker 1: it as strength.

1068
00:43:34,041 --> 00:43:34,121
Speaker 2: Bro.

1069
00:43:34,801 --> 00:43:37,401
Speaker 1: So it's funny again in saying that, because I think

1070
00:43:37,441 --> 00:43:40,521
Speaker 1: to myself, if he was around, brother, I might not

1071
00:43:40,641 --> 00:43:43,641
Speaker 1: even have become a bodybuilder or competed. To be honest,

1072
00:43:43,641 --> 00:43:45,721
Speaker 1: I think it's pushed you more of course, Yeah, one

1073
00:43:45,801 --> 00:43:49,081
Speaker 1: hundred because that was my last memory of him, you know,

1074
00:43:49,641 --> 00:43:52,961
Speaker 1: captured in time forever, him being young just into training

1075
00:43:53,001 --> 00:43:56,281
Speaker 1: and bodybuilding, and that stuck with me. Since like you

1076
00:43:56,361 --> 00:43:58,561
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and I just had kept that up,

1077
00:43:59,161 --> 00:44:01,601
Speaker 1: who knows where he would have been. You know, we

1078
00:44:02,081 --> 00:44:04,801
Speaker 1: did what one another would do, Like if he's done something,

1079
00:44:04,841 --> 00:44:05,961
Speaker 1: I'll do it. If I'm doing something, he'll do.

1080
00:44:06,121 --> 00:44:10,481
Speaker 2: You have the best physicust back then now, back then

1081
00:44:10,801 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: him for sure, Yeah, back back then without a doubt

1082
00:44:13,961 --> 00:44:15,281
Speaker 2: when you got on the gear at the same time

1083
00:44:15,321 --> 00:44:18,161
Speaker 2: as he was way ahead of me, bro way ahead

1084
00:44:18,161 --> 00:44:20,561
Speaker 2: of me. Yeah, back then, my physique was way behind he's.

1085
00:44:20,681 --> 00:44:23,961
Speaker 2: He had the much better physique, the bigger physique, the

1086
00:44:24,081 --> 00:44:28,641
Speaker 2: leaner physique. Obviously, if I was compare him at his

1087
00:44:28,761 --> 00:44:30,881
Speaker 2: peak then and me and my peak now, I would

1088
00:44:31,401 --> 00:44:34,521
Speaker 2: clean him up. But obviously I've had fifteen fucking years

1089
00:44:34,561 --> 00:44:36,601
Speaker 2: to do so you would hope that I would be

1090
00:44:36,681 --> 00:44:37,561
Speaker 2: a lot bigger, leaner.

1091
00:44:38,241 --> 00:44:41,641
Speaker 1: But in terms of at that time, yeah, definitely him.

1092
00:44:42,401 --> 00:44:46,481
Speaker 1: In terms of appeal, like me at my peak now

1093
00:44:46,521 --> 00:44:48,081
Speaker 1: on him and he speak, I still think him. I

1094
00:44:48,161 --> 00:44:50,321
Speaker 1: think people need to get out of the mindset of

1095
00:44:50,481 --> 00:44:53,881
Speaker 1: like the bigger the better, like when you're lean and chiseled,

1096
00:44:53,961 --> 00:44:56,361
Speaker 1: like that's just like more preferable by the whole world,

1097
00:44:56,441 --> 00:44:58,481
Speaker 1: like there's been Sometimes I'm like so jacked up and

1098
00:44:58,561 --> 00:45:00,761
Speaker 1: so big before calm. My own girlfriend looked at me

1099
00:45:00,801 --> 00:45:03,681
Speaker 1: and she's like, WHOA, Like it's almost getting too much,

1100
00:45:04,401 --> 00:45:06,641
Speaker 1: and that makes me fucking happy. I'm like, hell, yeah,

1101
00:45:06,641 --> 00:45:07,881
Speaker 1: that's what I want to hear. Like, I want to

1102
00:45:07,921 --> 00:45:10,521
Speaker 1: hear that. I've been the skinny, small guy my whole life.

1103
00:45:10,561 --> 00:45:12,361
Speaker 1: So to hear that, even for a brief moment in

1104
00:45:12,441 --> 00:45:15,001
Speaker 1: my life, I'm fucking happy, you know what I mean,

1105
00:45:15,401 --> 00:45:17,321
Speaker 1: Even to hear it from big boys around me, Like

1106
00:45:17,361 --> 00:45:19,441
Speaker 1: I've got bigger boys you know Who's like, Bro, you

1107
00:45:19,521 --> 00:45:21,681
Speaker 1: actually look fucking good. I'm like, it makes you feel good.

1108
00:45:21,681 --> 00:45:23,641
Speaker 2: Bro, I actually used to think that I look better

1109
00:45:23,641 --> 00:45:25,761
Speaker 2: at two days three days after my comp.

1110
00:45:26,001 --> 00:45:27,681
Speaker 1: Yeah, you will, normally people do.

1111
00:45:28,201 --> 00:45:29,921
Speaker 2: And I just why kind of look like this fucking

1112
00:45:29,961 --> 00:45:30,641
Speaker 2: three days ago? Oh?

1113
00:45:30,841 --> 00:45:35,161
Speaker 1: Man, wouldn't that be during the rebound? The first two

1114
00:45:35,201 --> 00:45:38,041
Speaker 1: weeks after comp, all I'm doing. Brother is taking videos

1115
00:45:38,881 --> 00:45:41,801
Speaker 1: and everything, and I'm just like, and then I think

1116
00:45:41,841 --> 00:45:44,881
Speaker 1: to myself, I'm like, bro, I thought, you look back

1117
00:45:44,921 --> 00:45:47,481
Speaker 1: and at that time, you know you look good, but

1118
00:45:47,481 --> 00:45:49,521
Speaker 1: you don't feel that you look good. And then now

1119
00:45:49,601 --> 00:45:51,601
Speaker 1: I look back to it, I'm like, man, I'm like,

1120
00:45:51,761 --> 00:45:54,081
Speaker 1: that was me, I'm like, what the fuck and it

1121
00:45:54,201 --> 00:45:56,521
Speaker 1: blows your mind. But yeah, I don't like how I

1122
00:45:56,561 --> 00:45:58,761
Speaker 1: look on stage, bro, you don't, I don't. I like

1123
00:45:58,841 --> 00:46:00,921
Speaker 1: how I look about a week after correct, when I'm

1124
00:46:00,921 --> 00:46:03,761
Speaker 1: about five six kilos heavier with water, yes, and just

1125
00:46:03,841 --> 00:46:06,561
Speaker 1: a lot fuller stage. I think I was around eighty

1126
00:46:06,801 --> 00:46:09,561
Speaker 1: five kilos, like six ppent body fat. Yeah, I liked

1127
00:46:09,601 --> 00:46:11,201
Speaker 1: how I looked three days later, when I was like

1128
00:46:11,881 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: about eighty nine ninety kilos, just still around six percent

1129
00:46:15,001 --> 00:46:18,241
Speaker 1: body fat, but just with that intracellular fluid between the muscles,

1130
00:46:18,401 --> 00:46:20,401
Speaker 1: and I just had that real full and big feeling.

1131
00:46:20,481 --> 00:46:23,001
Speaker 1: I'm like, brother, I was like fucking like pretty big

1132
00:46:23,041 --> 00:46:24,681
Speaker 1: at that time, man like Eve, even like I'd go

1133
00:46:24,761 --> 00:46:26,561
Speaker 1: up to like bigger guys with one hundred killos and

1134
00:46:26,601 --> 00:46:29,561
Speaker 1: I'd neck and neck would look very similar because of

1135
00:46:29,601 --> 00:46:32,321
Speaker 1: the super compensation with the glycogen and the pump. It

1136
00:46:32,441 --> 00:46:35,961
Speaker 1: just they had looked insane. Bro, It's just amazing bodybuilding broads.

1137
00:46:36,001 --> 00:46:38,641
Speaker 1: So it's so interesting when you're like so deep into it,

1138
00:46:39,241 --> 00:46:41,481
Speaker 1: how much the human body can transform during prep. So

1139
00:46:42,201 --> 00:46:44,361
Speaker 1: that's my favorite look, bro. Normally, like about a week

1140
00:46:44,441 --> 00:46:47,801
Speaker 1: after comp and I hate how I look about four

1141
00:46:47,841 --> 00:46:49,761
Speaker 1: weeks before a comp, I just feel like a string beam.

1142
00:46:49,801 --> 00:46:51,401
Speaker 1: I hate it up until the car up. I don't

1143
00:46:51,401 --> 00:46:53,561
Speaker 1: want to look at myself. But at that time it's

1144
00:46:53,601 --> 00:46:55,441
Speaker 1: like when the coaches stepping in, it's like, no, I

1145
00:46:55,481 --> 00:46:57,681
Speaker 1: make you look good, like, take more videos, take more photos,

1146
00:46:57,921 --> 00:46:59,681
Speaker 1: and you always regret it afterwards, You're like, fuck, why

1147
00:46:59,681 --> 00:47:02,761
Speaker 1: did't I take more videos? Because you feel like shit? Yeah, yeah,

1148
00:47:03,361 --> 00:47:03,801
Speaker 1: go figure.

1149
00:47:04,361 --> 00:47:06,601
Speaker 2: Let's talk about before we get into hard, more about

1150
00:47:06,881 --> 00:47:09,121
Speaker 2: you bodybuilding all like that. We'll go back to a

1151
00:47:09,161 --> 00:47:11,321
Speaker 2: bit about when your teens and you get any trouble,

1152
00:47:11,361 --> 00:47:12,801
Speaker 2: when you want any teas or you're a good boy.

1153
00:47:12,921 --> 00:47:13,601
Speaker 1: I was a good boy.

1154
00:47:13,721 --> 00:47:14,241
Speaker 2: You're a good boy.

1155
00:47:14,361 --> 00:47:17,881
Speaker 1: I was always a good boy. I don't know why

1156
00:47:17,961 --> 00:47:21,761
Speaker 1: people think I look like the looks don't match the personality,

1157
00:47:21,761 --> 00:47:23,521
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you I was a very good boy.

1158
00:47:24,001 --> 00:47:27,881
Speaker 1: I went to a Catholic school, private Catholic school, did

1159
00:47:27,961 --> 00:47:30,161
Speaker 1: really well in my grades, went to university, got a

1160
00:47:30,201 --> 00:47:34,761
Speaker 1: double degree in marketing and logistics. Was working office jobs?

1161
00:47:34,841 --> 00:47:35,921
Speaker 2: What did you want to be when you were on

1162
00:47:35,961 --> 00:47:38,641
Speaker 2: the like growing up? I had no idea. I mean

1163
00:47:38,761 --> 00:47:40,641
Speaker 2: I had no idea. I don't think anyone really has

1164
00:47:40,681 --> 00:47:42,361
Speaker 2: an idea. I just wanted to be a soccer player,

1165
00:47:42,361 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: that's all I wanted to be. Yeah.

1166
00:47:44,441 --> 00:47:47,841
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're doing great now, you know what

1167
00:47:47,841 --> 00:47:50,321
Speaker 1: I mean. I think your life has been very interesting.

1168
00:47:50,321 --> 00:47:52,721
Speaker 1: In my friend, I'm going to start my own podcast

1169
00:47:52,801 --> 00:47:54,801
Speaker 1: in like a year's time actually, and you're going to

1170
00:47:54,801 --> 00:47:56,361
Speaker 1: be one of my first guys. Brother, because I've got

1171
00:47:56,361 --> 00:47:58,441
Speaker 1: a lot of questions to ask you, let me let

1172
00:47:58,521 --> 00:48:00,601
Speaker 1: me let me tell me that much. Fam this is

1173
00:48:00,641 --> 00:48:03,721
Speaker 1: about me, I guess. So, yeah, Bro, I was always

1174
00:48:03,721 --> 00:48:05,721
Speaker 1: a good kid in high school. I was a good kid,

1175
00:48:05,841 --> 00:48:08,441
Speaker 1: a quiet kid. I was a bit of a gamer,

1176
00:48:08,481 --> 00:48:10,921
Speaker 1: a bit of a nerd, but not the conventional type

1177
00:48:10,961 --> 00:48:14,321
Speaker 1: of nerd where you're just like ostracized and everyone because

1178
00:48:14,401 --> 00:48:16,321
Speaker 1: I was very I was very liked. I was like

1179
00:48:16,401 --> 00:48:18,001
Speaker 1: a very cool, quirky kind of nerd.

1180
00:48:18,001 --> 00:48:20,721
Speaker 2: People like you looked like, yeah, a cool but nerdy kids.

1181
00:48:20,801 --> 00:48:23,361
Speaker 1: Correct correct? Yeah, yeah, so we were nerds and we

1182
00:48:23,521 --> 00:48:25,481
Speaker 1: never try to be anyone weren't. I was out there

1183
00:48:25,521 --> 00:48:27,161
Speaker 1: trying to act like I'm a hardcut or I'm a

1184
00:48:27,201 --> 00:48:29,561
Speaker 1: gang stuff nothing like that. I owned who I was

1185
00:48:29,881 --> 00:48:31,681
Speaker 1: and I still do, like I'm just a goofy fucking

1186
00:48:31,721 --> 00:48:33,961
Speaker 1: sit cut brother. It's all I am, Bro. I've never changed,

1187
00:48:34,041 --> 00:48:36,281
Speaker 1: never changed from that age. So now just any difference

1188
00:48:36,281 --> 00:48:38,201
Speaker 1: now is I'm just got a bit more muscle, I

1189
00:48:38,281 --> 00:48:40,561
Speaker 1: mean a little bit more wisdom, but same ship, bro.

1190
00:48:40,761 --> 00:48:42,801
Speaker 2: And I remember when you used to come to DCS

1191
00:48:43,481 --> 00:48:45,161
Speaker 2: and your crew used to come, all your boys used

1192
00:48:45,161 --> 00:48:48,881
Speaker 2: to come. He's all had this unique hairstyle. Yeah, and

1193
00:48:49,041 --> 00:48:52,201
Speaker 2: it was just like there's still remnants of you know,

1194
00:48:52,401 --> 00:48:54,441
Speaker 2: to the stage, a bit of more line and just

1195
00:48:54,521 --> 00:48:56,601
Speaker 2: had this fucking hairstyle that no one else had.

1196
00:48:56,681 --> 00:48:58,641
Speaker 1: And it was just like, what's going on with these boys?

1197
00:48:58,841 --> 00:48:59,641
Speaker 1: Are they a boy band?

1198
00:48:59,681 --> 00:49:01,241
Speaker 2: What's going on? You know?

1199
00:49:01,281 --> 00:49:05,001
Speaker 1: What they call us back then? One injection brother, One inject,

1200
00:49:05,601 --> 00:49:07,921
Speaker 1: one direction. But yeah, I remember those days at the

1201
00:49:07,961 --> 00:49:11,121
Speaker 1: door man and yeah, we'd literally come in strings thinking

1202
00:49:11,161 --> 00:49:12,761
Speaker 1: were the top ship, bro, and it was so small

1203
00:49:12,801 --> 00:49:15,881
Speaker 1: and so lean. But fuck the confidence on us back then.

1204
00:49:16,241 --> 00:49:16,961
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like that.

1205
00:49:17,441 --> 00:49:21,081
Speaker 1: It's a young dick energy, bro. You kill that confidence

1206
00:49:21,121 --> 00:49:23,001
Speaker 1: with one statement. You just look at us and like

1207
00:49:23,201 --> 00:49:25,521
Speaker 1: you think you're big now you and we'll be like, yeah,

1208
00:49:25,521 --> 00:49:27,721
Speaker 1: we're not bad. It's like, what's with the Goldsom single?

1209
00:49:27,761 --> 00:49:30,721
Speaker 1: I don't know, just thinking that makes us look fucking jacked,

1210
00:49:31,121 --> 00:49:34,521
Speaker 1: and you're like, get in. It was like it was

1211
00:49:34,561 --> 00:49:36,401
Speaker 1: mostly yes, I think you liked us boys, you know,

1212
00:49:36,841 --> 00:49:38,281
Speaker 1: because we always got in.

1213
00:49:39,681 --> 00:49:41,361
Speaker 2: Your crews are right, and they were respectful, that's what.

1214
00:49:41,481 --> 00:49:43,561
Speaker 1: There was a few boys in the crew that caused

1215
00:49:43,601 --> 00:49:45,521
Speaker 1: trouble me. And this is with the good boys.

1216
00:49:45,561 --> 00:49:47,721
Speaker 2: So well, the first time I met your brother, I

1217
00:49:47,761 --> 00:49:49,561
Speaker 2: remember he was waiting in the line with some chie

1218
00:49:50,081 --> 00:49:52,801
Speaker 2: of course he wanted and he stood out and he

1219
00:49:52,881 --> 00:49:55,281
Speaker 2: had a single it on and his small short shorts.

1220
00:49:55,361 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1221
00:49:56,161 --> 00:49:58,281
Speaker 2: And we just had a boat cruise, all right. So

1222
00:49:58,761 --> 00:50:01,361
Speaker 2: he's gone from the boat cruise and he's standing there

1223
00:50:01,561 --> 00:50:04,481
Speaker 2: and everyone's looking at me like you're not letting them in?

1224
00:50:04,561 --> 00:50:07,201
Speaker 2: Are you? Kneel? I'm just going I like this kid,

1225
00:50:07,321 --> 00:50:09,881
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at him going and I'm thinking, funk,

1226
00:50:09,921 --> 00:50:11,401
Speaker 2: he's got some balls to come in this single and

1227
00:50:11,441 --> 00:50:13,681
Speaker 2: it's fine. And I remember, I mean, the guy looked great.

1228
00:50:13,961 --> 00:50:17,641
Speaker 2: He can only could pull off short shorts and he's

1229
00:50:17,641 --> 00:50:20,361
Speaker 2: got this hairstyle going, and he's got this single it

1230
00:50:20,521 --> 00:50:22,681
Speaker 2: and he's tand as fucking and I'm looking at him

1231
00:50:22,681 --> 00:50:25,881
Speaker 2: and he's walking towards me. But the thing was about him.

1232
00:50:26,561 --> 00:50:29,761
Speaker 2: He was placid and he just shy pairs.

1233
00:50:29,761 --> 00:50:30,521
Speaker 1: People didn't know that.

1234
00:50:30,761 --> 00:50:33,081
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're saying that was so he wasn't walking

1235
00:50:33,161 --> 00:50:35,321
Speaker 2: up with confidence. He actually didn't think he'd get in,

1236
00:50:35,681 --> 00:50:38,521
Speaker 2: and his said was down. And then we were used

1237
00:50:38,521 --> 00:50:40,281
Speaker 2: to like getting rejected from some clubs, you know what

1238
00:50:40,281 --> 00:50:43,721
Speaker 2: I mean. So when he walked and I'm looking at

1239
00:50:43,801 --> 00:50:45,361
Speaker 2: him and I asked for his ID, and he gives

1240
00:50:45,401 --> 00:50:47,561
Speaker 2: me the idea, doesn't look me in the eye, and

1241
00:50:47,681 --> 00:50:49,321
Speaker 2: I'm going The only thing I said to him was

1242
00:50:50,081 --> 00:50:54,601
Speaker 2: the are you doing these shorts? Bro? Not about the

1243
00:50:54,681 --> 00:50:56,601
Speaker 2: other body. I'm just going, what the fucks to go

1244
00:50:56,721 --> 00:50:58,881
Speaker 2: at these shorts? And he looks at me and he

1245
00:50:58,921 --> 00:51:00,641
Speaker 2: gives me a smoke, and I said, bro, the only

1246
00:51:00,681 --> 00:51:02,761
Speaker 2: way you're getting in is if you've got bigger arms

1247
00:51:02,761 --> 00:51:06,041
Speaker 2: than me. What did he say to you? And then

1248
00:51:06,121 --> 00:51:08,361
Speaker 2: everyone says you've got a flex on the door, And

1249
00:51:08,481 --> 00:51:10,561
Speaker 2: I said, bro, do you want to? And he just

1250
00:51:10,681 --> 00:51:12,681
Speaker 2: goes and he kind of shy, he was just laughing.

1251
00:51:12,721 --> 00:51:15,401
Speaker 2: He wouldn't say anything. And I said, bro, I'll get

1252
00:51:15,441 --> 00:51:16,921
Speaker 2: them out if you want me to, and then he

1253
00:51:17,081 --> 00:51:18,521
Speaker 2: and then he goes, and then I was like, get

1254
00:51:18,601 --> 00:51:21,121
Speaker 2: up there, Bro, go for it. Just don't take your

1255
00:51:21,161 --> 00:51:24,841
Speaker 2: single it off. He still would, still would, he still would.

1256
00:51:24,921 --> 00:51:27,401
Speaker 2: But that's the first time I ever brother. Yeah. Man.

1257
00:51:27,881 --> 00:51:29,441
Speaker 2: After that, it was just racing him a lot of

1258
00:51:29,481 --> 00:51:31,841
Speaker 2: times in regular. Yeah, after that was just regular. It

1259
00:51:31,961 --> 00:51:34,001
Speaker 2: was just yeah, it was me and him and a

1260
00:51:34,041 --> 00:51:36,121
Speaker 2: few of the crew, all the boys back then. We're

1261
00:51:36,161 --> 00:51:38,281
Speaker 2: all very respectful, especially to our elders. It's just the

1262
00:51:38,321 --> 00:51:39,921
Speaker 2: way we all like race, you know, like always to

1263
00:51:39,921 --> 00:51:42,281
Speaker 2: show respect to all the boys all the time. And

1264
00:51:42,481 --> 00:51:44,361
Speaker 2: uh yeah, we never caused the name you used to

1265
00:51:44,361 --> 00:51:48,201
Speaker 2: call your group the Aesthetics Crats correct back then that

1266
00:51:48,281 --> 00:51:49,001
Speaker 2: how did you get that name?

1267
00:51:49,161 --> 00:51:51,121
Speaker 1: Was bro? I don't know. I didn't fucking know, Bro,

1268
00:51:51,281 --> 00:51:52,441
Speaker 1: Like I think it was given it to us.

1269
00:51:52,521 --> 00:51:54,401
Speaker 2: Hey, like all our mates just went to the gym

1270
00:51:54,481 --> 00:51:57,401
Speaker 2: and we all had funky hair festivals and ship like that.

1271
00:51:57,921 --> 00:51:59,401
Speaker 1: It was just a ship back then. And and then

1272
00:51:59,641 --> 00:52:01,601
Speaker 1: and then people just like, oh, it's the Aesthetics Crew

1273
00:52:01,641 --> 00:52:03,441
Speaker 1: and then like the same thing that people gave us

1274
00:52:03,441 --> 00:52:05,921
Speaker 1: a name, and we just we just rolled with it, Bro.

1275
00:52:06,761 --> 00:52:09,241
Speaker 2: And yeah, there was the days for you because I

1276
00:52:09,281 --> 00:52:11,801
Speaker 2: remember you, guys, I said to you, the best best

1277
00:52:11,881 --> 00:52:12,801
Speaker 2: best days of life.

1278
00:52:13,081 --> 00:52:14,801
Speaker 1: Yeah, you did have some idiots in your group, but

1279
00:52:14,841 --> 00:52:16,281
Speaker 1: then we dealt with them.

1280
00:52:16,761 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1281
00:52:17,041 --> 00:52:19,961
Speaker 1: Yeah, And a lot of the times we would Me

1282
00:52:20,081 --> 00:52:22,281
Speaker 1: and As would be obviously because they were in our crew,

1283
00:52:22,321 --> 00:52:25,801
Speaker 1: would be associated with them and we would get either

1284
00:52:25,921 --> 00:52:28,641
Speaker 1: rejected or we'd find ourselves in trouble and fights because

1285
00:52:28,681 --> 00:52:32,201
Speaker 1: of the people in our crew that were troublemakers basically,

1286
00:52:32,321 --> 00:52:34,161
Speaker 1: but me and As were the ones staying out of

1287
00:52:34,201 --> 00:52:36,641
Speaker 1: the fights. Like our crew didn't want us in the fights,

1288
00:52:36,641 --> 00:52:38,281
Speaker 1: so like you boys are just pretty boys, like you

1289
00:52:38,401 --> 00:52:40,161
Speaker 1: boys don't even be fighting, stay out of the fights,

1290
00:52:40,481 --> 00:52:43,161
Speaker 1: like this is like this isn't for you guys. They knew, man,

1291
00:52:43,201 --> 00:52:45,721
Speaker 1: we weren't fighters, man, you know, so they kept us

1292
00:52:45,761 --> 00:52:48,001
Speaker 1: out of that bullshit. But we saw it all go

1293
00:52:48,161 --> 00:52:50,041
Speaker 1: down like with our crew and the trouble and back

1294
00:52:50,041 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: and forth.

1295
00:52:51,081 --> 00:52:51,761
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was wild.

1296
00:52:51,841 --> 00:52:54,641
Speaker 1: Even after as his death, there was like fucking crew fights,

1297
00:52:54,801 --> 00:52:57,241
Speaker 1: like with our crew and other crews. I remember going

1298
00:52:57,281 --> 00:52:59,561
Speaker 1: to festivals and there was like other crews like after

1299
00:52:59,681 --> 00:53:02,081
Speaker 1: As died, Like I remember going out to events and

1300
00:53:02,121 --> 00:53:03,961
Speaker 1: stuff and there were other crews are boys saying what

1301
00:53:04,041 --> 00:53:06,641
Speaker 1: are you doing, like going out like your brother just died,

1302
00:53:06,681 --> 00:53:08,601
Speaker 1: you should be at home morning, and then I'd get

1303
00:53:08,721 --> 00:53:10,441
Speaker 1: so mad. I'm like, how do you fucking tell me

1304
00:53:10,481 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: how to mourn?

1305
00:53:11,001 --> 00:53:11,081
Speaker 2: Bro?

1306
00:53:11,281 --> 00:53:13,081
Speaker 1: Like he'd want me to be doing this because this

1307
00:53:13,121 --> 00:53:15,601
Speaker 1: is what we did together. Have you thought to yourself,

1308
00:53:15,641 --> 00:53:17,241
Speaker 1: maybe this is what makes me feel close to him,

1309
00:53:18,041 --> 00:53:20,321
Speaker 1: Like a piece of your motherfucker, like your piece of shit?

1310
00:53:20,361 --> 00:53:22,041
Speaker 1: Do you understand, like what I've been through, You've got

1311
00:53:22,081 --> 00:53:24,401
Speaker 1: no idea? And then like my boys will see me

1312
00:53:24,481 --> 00:53:26,041
Speaker 1: get rather up. And then there was just literally like

1313
00:53:26,081 --> 00:53:29,321
Speaker 1: there was a period of like one year straight where

1314
00:53:29,561 --> 00:53:31,201
Speaker 1: my crew, like ten of us would meet up with

1315
00:53:31,281 --> 00:53:33,361
Speaker 1: the boys of their crew, ten of them literally on

1316
00:53:33,441 --> 00:53:36,001
Speaker 1: the weekend just just fucking brawl to the point where

1317
00:53:36,041 --> 00:53:37,761
Speaker 1: it just went on for a year until the point

1318
00:53:37,801 --> 00:53:39,721
Speaker 1: where they just we all became mates because it's just

1319
00:53:39,721 --> 00:53:41,881
Speaker 1: like we can't just keep fucking fighting each other. And

1320
00:53:41,961 --> 00:53:43,961
Speaker 1: then we all just gave up, or just half of

1321
00:53:44,001 --> 00:53:44,681
Speaker 1: them became mates.

1322
00:53:44,721 --> 00:53:44,841
Speaker 2: Bro.

1323
00:53:44,961 --> 00:53:47,041
Speaker 1: It was really full on, bro, like real like real

1324
00:53:47,121 --> 00:53:50,681
Speaker 1: bad fights, and yeah, fucking went crazy because a lot

1325
00:53:50,681 --> 00:53:53,281
Speaker 1: of these guys will start talking shit about as like, oh,

1326
00:53:53,361 --> 00:53:55,121
Speaker 1: he was a dickhead, like he deserved to die. It

1327
00:53:55,201 --> 00:53:57,521
Speaker 1: was a cocky bastard. And then my mates would lose

1328
00:53:57,641 --> 00:54:00,561
Speaker 1: their fucking mind and it was just full out brawls

1329
00:54:00,601 --> 00:54:02,721
Speaker 1: at festivals and events every time we'd see their crew

1330
00:54:02,761 --> 00:54:04,881
Speaker 1: and our crew had gone. And a few times He's

1331
00:54:05,081 --> 00:54:07,801
Speaker 1: kids would get like fucking bikes involved, and all these

1332
00:54:07,841 --> 00:54:10,321
Speaker 1: old guys got that much. Yeah, bro, it's bad. It's

1333
00:54:10,481 --> 00:54:13,161
Speaker 1: so over stupid shit. I remember actually being in an

1334
00:54:13,201 --> 00:54:16,801
Speaker 1: event that stereosonic and these I can't remember who they were,

1335
00:54:16,841 --> 00:54:18,481
Speaker 1: but these older guys, I was like twenty five, they

1336
00:54:18,481 --> 00:54:21,881
Speaker 1: would have been like in their late thirties. They basically

1337
00:54:22,001 --> 00:54:24,321
Speaker 1: neutralized the situation between my boys and these boys who

1338
00:54:24,321 --> 00:54:27,041
Speaker 1: brought these fucking heavies with them. And then I saw

1339
00:54:27,081 --> 00:54:29,481
Speaker 1: these heavies in the toilet. I was like fucking standing

1340
00:54:29,561 --> 00:54:31,201
Speaker 1: there taking a piss, and I'm like looking at them,

1341
00:54:31,241 --> 00:54:33,401
Speaker 1: and they're the ones who were with the other with

1342
00:54:33,521 --> 00:54:36,561
Speaker 1: other crew that like kind of neutralize the situation because

1343
00:54:36,641 --> 00:54:39,001
Speaker 1: they realized what had happened. We told them. I just

1344
00:54:39,401 --> 00:54:40,761
Speaker 1: I went up to him. I'm like, I'm gonna get

1345
00:54:40,761 --> 00:54:42,521
Speaker 1: my head kicked in, and I just went up to

1346
00:54:42,641 --> 00:54:45,081
Speaker 1: him like, listen, boys, like this is all because of me.

1347
00:54:45,601 --> 00:54:48,401
Speaker 1: I'm angry because these motherfuckers disrespected my brother. Imagine one

1348
00:54:48,441 --> 00:54:51,041
Speaker 1: off your brothers died and guys are just laughing and

1349
00:54:51,081 --> 00:54:52,921
Speaker 1: towarding him, saying he deserved to die because this is

1350
00:54:53,001 --> 00:54:55,161
Speaker 1: this how do you guys feel? And they literally looked

1351
00:54:55,201 --> 00:54:56,361
Speaker 1: at me in the eye and they're just like you

1352
00:54:56,401 --> 00:54:58,161
Speaker 1: know what, Bro, like you do you and they just

1353
00:54:58,201 --> 00:55:00,201
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. And then he just basically turned

1354
00:55:00,201 --> 00:55:01,601
Speaker 1: to all the boys and guys just let it go

1355
00:55:02,001 --> 00:55:03,801
Speaker 1: because leave these guys alone, you know what I mean,

1356
00:55:03,841 --> 00:55:06,161
Speaker 1: because they were just like basically antagonizing my group. But

1357
00:55:06,241 --> 00:55:08,881
Speaker 1: my group wouldn't stand down. There will always fight. Well

1358
00:55:08,921 --> 00:55:11,321
Speaker 1: from the west bro Mount drew it black Town, like

1359
00:55:11,401 --> 00:55:14,001
Speaker 1: these guys would fight, Bro fight, fight, fight, And Me

1360
00:55:14,081 --> 00:55:16,881
Speaker 1: and As weren't fighters, so I think they associated me

1361
00:55:17,041 --> 00:55:19,921
Speaker 1: and As to be all about crew like all like

1362
00:55:20,321 --> 00:55:23,801
Speaker 1: soft and like softly spoken and nice guys. But ninety

1363
00:55:23,801 --> 00:55:25,641
Speaker 1: percent of our crew wasn't. It was just me and

1364
00:55:25,761 --> 00:55:28,961
Speaker 1: as well the soft ones. Everyone else was like proper nutters,

1365
00:55:28,961 --> 00:55:32,281
Speaker 1: bro proper proper proper nutterers. Like I'm talking like, I'll

1366
00:55:32,321 --> 00:55:34,161
Speaker 1: give you a call Saturday. We're meeting this spot just

1367
00:55:34,241 --> 00:55:36,201
Speaker 1: one on one will fight and then the boys will

1368
00:55:36,201 --> 00:55:38,441
Speaker 1: come back show photos of their bloodied faces all the

1369
00:55:38,521 --> 00:55:41,281
Speaker 1: other guy's face, and then they'd go in get fucking

1370
00:55:41,881 --> 00:55:43,841
Speaker 1: black eyes, broken jaws, this and that, and then a

1371
00:55:43,881 --> 00:55:46,641
Speaker 1: month later that message let's go again, just for no reason,

1372
00:55:46,761 --> 00:55:49,921
Speaker 1: just going back and forth, fighting fighting, fighting fighting. I'm like, guys,

1373
00:55:49,961 --> 00:55:51,481
Speaker 1: I'm like, as wouldn't want you guys to be fighting

1374
00:55:51,561 --> 00:55:54,321
Speaker 1: like this, just just fucking this is so stupid, bro, Like,

1375
00:55:54,401 --> 00:55:56,321
Speaker 1: who cares what this guy said about as fuck him?

1376
00:55:56,321 --> 00:55:56,841
Speaker 2: Who is he? Like?

1377
00:55:56,881 --> 00:55:59,561
Speaker 1: It doesn't even matter, Like shit's irrelevant, you know what

1378
00:55:59,601 --> 00:56:02,041
Speaker 1: I mean? But young kids doing young kids shit, bro,

1379
00:56:02,601 --> 00:56:04,601
Speaker 1: you know what it's like, all these kids like twenty two,

1380
00:56:04,721 --> 00:56:07,801
Speaker 1: twenty three, twenty four, young bro. You know now, I

1381
00:56:07,841 --> 00:56:09,961
Speaker 1: look back and I'm just like, fuck, that was stupid.

1382
00:56:10,681 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: It was over nothing important, Like literally just dumb shit.

1383
00:56:14,241 --> 00:56:15,961
Speaker 2: That's the reason why I stopped going out in Sydney

1384
00:56:15,961 --> 00:56:17,761
Speaker 2: because when I stopped doing the clubs, I just went

1385
00:56:17,801 --> 00:56:19,361
Speaker 2: Sydney change for me and I just went I don't

1386
00:56:19,401 --> 00:56:20,281
Speaker 2: go up ventually, clem.

1387
00:56:21,241 --> 00:56:23,201
Speaker 1: I mean, has it changed in terms of like the

1388
00:56:23,281 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: bullshit that goes on? I think the bullshit has always stayed.

1389
00:56:25,481 --> 00:56:28,641
Speaker 1: The new generation coming through the scene. Yeah, just you can't,

1390
00:56:28,681 --> 00:56:29,001
Speaker 1: you can't.

1391
00:56:29,641 --> 00:56:30,121
Speaker 2: I don't like it.

1392
00:56:30,201 --> 00:56:33,721
Speaker 1: Either, Bro, I resonate much more with people of your

1393
00:56:33,841 --> 00:56:36,081
Speaker 1: generation than I do with the generation. Like I'm right

1394
00:56:36,121 --> 00:56:39,001
Speaker 1: in the middle. The generation blow me. They just they're

1395
00:56:39,041 --> 00:56:41,881
Speaker 1: just a few quids fucking short of a fucking screw loss.

1396
00:56:41,921 --> 00:56:42,001
Speaker 2: Bro.

1397
00:56:42,121 --> 00:56:42,761
Speaker 1: I just I can't.

1398
00:56:42,761 --> 00:56:43,041
Speaker 2: I can't.

1399
00:56:43,081 --> 00:56:45,441
Speaker 1: I don't understand how they work, how they function. I

1400
00:56:45,481 --> 00:56:47,881
Speaker 1: don't get their jokes. I just I just don't understand them, Bro,

1401
00:56:48,201 --> 00:56:49,641
Speaker 1: I don't, and I don't want to understand them, to

1402
00:56:49,721 --> 00:56:51,961
Speaker 1: be honest. And that's why you got yourself out of

1403
00:56:52,001 --> 00:56:52,241
Speaker 1: the scene.

1404
00:56:52,281 --> 00:56:54,041
Speaker 2: Oh, that's why. Because when you get out of the scene,

1405
00:56:54,081 --> 00:56:57,881
Speaker 2: I got when the lockdowns happened fourteen, I got out.

1406
00:56:58,201 --> 00:57:00,521
Speaker 2: It was close, and I just went, now, I can't

1407
00:57:00,561 --> 00:57:01,721
Speaker 2: do this no more, you know what I mean? There

1408
00:57:01,801 --> 00:57:03,761
Speaker 2: was just I was seeing things changes and I just

1409
00:57:03,921 --> 00:57:06,761
Speaker 2: I can't do it. Yeah, as loyalty as gone, there's

1410
00:57:06,801 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 2: no such thing as loyal back anymore. People were People

1411
00:57:09,481 --> 00:57:11,201
Speaker 2: were jealous of you for what you did, or who

1412
00:57:11,241 --> 00:57:12,361
Speaker 2: you were with, or who you tall.

1413
00:57:12,401 --> 00:57:15,321
Speaker 1: Popp your syndrome brother like back then, but back then

1414
00:57:15,401 --> 00:57:17,361
Speaker 1: it was really maybe because it was in the times

1415
00:57:17,521 --> 00:57:19,401
Speaker 1: were grown up, but back then people were super jealous

1416
00:57:19,401 --> 00:57:21,641
Speaker 1: of as and me on the come up. But then

1417
00:57:21,761 --> 00:57:24,801
Speaker 1: now as I'm older, all these young kids are now

1418
00:57:24,921 --> 00:57:27,481
Speaker 1: looking in like such a light like fuck, you know,

1419
00:57:27,721 --> 00:57:30,041
Speaker 1: like and now it's like there's so much respect and love.

1420
00:57:30,161 --> 00:57:32,281
Speaker 1: But back when I was younger, because we're all the

1421
00:57:32,321 --> 00:57:34,681
Speaker 1: same angel, it's a lot of competition and tearing people down.

1422
00:57:35,281 --> 00:57:37,281
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's weird. Like you get older and then

1423
00:57:37,441 --> 00:57:39,681
Speaker 1: you build yourself up, you earn the respect, and then

1424
00:57:39,721 --> 00:57:41,881
Speaker 1: the generation below you shows you that respect if you've

1425
00:57:42,441 --> 00:57:44,641
Speaker 1: made something of anything of yourself. But at the time

1426
00:57:44,721 --> 00:57:46,801
Speaker 1: when you're trying to make it up and make come

1427
00:57:46,921 --> 00:57:49,001
Speaker 1: up on the come up, you just get shut on left, fright,

1428
00:57:49,001 --> 00:57:49,481
Speaker 1: and center.

1429
00:57:50,761 --> 00:57:52,641
Speaker 2: Making a lot of attention, you see, and the attentions

1430
00:57:52,681 --> 00:57:53,881
Speaker 2: on you. And that's what it was like with me,

1431
00:57:53,921 --> 00:57:56,201
Speaker 2: the attentions all on me. People who liked it, you

1432
00:57:56,201 --> 00:57:58,321
Speaker 2: would have copped it, mate, what I mean? People just

1433
00:57:58,441 --> 00:57:59,001
Speaker 2: getting jealous?

1434
00:57:59,081 --> 00:58:02,361
Speaker 1: Many fights? Would you fucking get into a lot of fights?

1435
00:58:02,721 --> 00:58:03,361
Speaker 1: Lose any of them?

1436
00:58:03,681 --> 00:58:07,041
Speaker 2: No, I've never lost a fight. Aheah, that's a nice

1437
00:58:07,081 --> 00:58:08,681
Speaker 2: thing to say. Oh, I mean, and I've never been

1438
00:58:08,721 --> 00:58:11,041
Speaker 2: put on my ash yet. Wow, I'm not saying no

1439
00:58:11,081 --> 00:58:14,561
Speaker 2: one's gonna put don't don't be fucking I'm saying that

1440
00:58:14,841 --> 00:58:16,041
Speaker 2: when I had to double.

1441
00:58:16,081 --> 00:58:18,121
Speaker 1: The retired man a family man.

1442
00:58:18,201 --> 00:58:23,041
Speaker 2: Now fight nor more, don't fight, but yeah that's yeahs.

1443
00:58:22,361 --> 00:58:23,961
Speaker 1: Always What else were you then when you got out

1444
00:58:23,961 --> 00:58:26,001
Speaker 1: of it, it would have been like late thirties.

1445
00:58:26,241 --> 00:58:27,001
Speaker 2: It was late thirties.

1446
00:58:27,041 --> 00:58:28,481
Speaker 1: Yeah, good time to get out.

1447
00:58:28,641 --> 00:58:30,481
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean? And as I said,

1448
00:58:30,521 --> 00:58:32,561
Speaker 2: I think I had I had my two boys then

1449
00:58:32,601 --> 00:58:34,801
Speaker 2: and I just can't do this no more. Yeah, how

1450
00:58:34,961 --> 00:58:37,521
Speaker 2: are your boys at the time, Well, they were just

1451
00:58:37,601 --> 00:58:39,641
Speaker 2: being born and just being born. Yeah, there you go.

1452
00:58:39,841 --> 00:58:42,161
Speaker 1: Kids changing, man, Yeah, I feel like kids changing, you know.

1453
00:58:42,241 --> 00:58:44,401
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not quite there yet, but I can

1454
00:58:44,521 --> 00:58:46,561
Speaker 1: imagine when I do, like would probably just give me

1455
00:58:46,681 --> 00:58:49,081
Speaker 1: more more purpose, more grind and want to pull away

1456
00:58:49,081 --> 00:58:51,441
Speaker 1: from the bullshit, you know what I mean. So do

1457
00:58:51,521 --> 00:58:53,921
Speaker 1: you still speak to I speak.

1458
00:58:53,721 --> 00:58:55,601
Speaker 2: To a lot of most of the text measures, but

1459
00:58:55,641 --> 00:58:57,321
Speaker 2: I'm close to some of the boys, Like as I said,

1460
00:58:57,361 --> 00:59:00,481
Speaker 2: I picked up Sam from the airport either after that. Yeah,

1461
00:59:00,521 --> 00:59:02,801
Speaker 2: I saw, I'm friends with Farty a lot we go,

1462
00:59:02,961 --> 00:59:03,201
Speaker 2: you know, with.

1463
00:59:03,281 --> 00:59:07,481
Speaker 1: His fuddy still so Michael, Michael's one jel Yeah, well.

1464
00:59:07,401 --> 00:59:09,761
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't go back in the scene anymore

1465
00:59:09,801 --> 00:59:11,801
Speaker 2: because I don't want to be I don't want to

1466
00:59:11,841 --> 00:59:14,361
Speaker 2: be coached back in, not that I probably would be,

1467
00:59:14,761 --> 00:59:17,001
Speaker 2: but I just want to keep a distance because I've

1468
00:59:17,041 --> 00:59:20,001
Speaker 2: got my own business now, you thing, Yeah, my brand.

1469
00:59:20,081 --> 00:59:22,041
Speaker 2: I don't need to be pulled into it or look

1470
00:59:22,081 --> 00:59:24,281
Speaker 2: who you're hanging around with. I don't need that ship. Yeah,

1471
00:59:24,601 --> 00:59:26,921
Speaker 2: as a sun's changed, Bro, I'm trying to be Kneil now. Yeah,

1472
00:59:27,481 --> 00:59:29,361
Speaker 2: not the person who was in the cross anymore.

1473
00:59:29,441 --> 00:59:30,281
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that, bro.

1474
00:59:30,481 --> 00:59:33,841
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you know, you get haters. You fucking

1475
00:59:33,881 --> 00:59:36,041
Speaker 2: want to think they know my life and they don't

1476
00:59:36,081 --> 00:59:37,641
Speaker 2: know my life by you don't know so.

1477
00:59:37,641 --> 00:59:41,001
Speaker 1: I mean, bro, like cut from the same cloth, just

1478
00:59:41,081 --> 00:59:42,601
Speaker 1: different stories, you know, you know what I mean? Like

1479
00:59:42,721 --> 00:59:44,841
Speaker 1: people thought they knew who I was my whole life,

1480
00:59:44,881 --> 00:59:46,321
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to be my own man. And

1481
00:59:46,801 --> 00:59:48,881
Speaker 1: now that I'm my own man, like all the respect came,

1482
00:59:48,881 --> 00:59:50,801
Speaker 1: but it's like, where were you, motherfuckers when I was

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Speaker 1: always this guy all along, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like I had to prove myself.

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Speaker 2: Part two of this conversation with Chess Brown continues next week.