WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 4 June 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:07.280 On scoring lis Ostrodia. This is the Wider Paney Show. 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:11.600 Good evening and welcome to the readA Panekey Show. 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:14.360 Coming up tonight, we'll have a packed program for you. 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:17.440 Senator Alex Antique will be here to discuss the coalitions 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:21.439 at zero conundrum. Douglas Murray will join you to discuss 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:24.880 Britain's blasphemy laws and he also has a few words 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:27.240 of advice for preachy rock star Bono. 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:30.160 The Victorian government's reckless. 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:33.040 Economic agenda is again under the spotlight ten and McQueen 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:35.760 will weigh in on that, and later in the hour 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:39.159 Army Horowitz. We'll have the latest from the US. 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:39.800 And Left is Losing. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.280 It features Greta Thumberg and friends as they sail to 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:46.159 Gaza and they've already run into trouble. 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:51.920 We need your helps this and. 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:53.120 This is lessens Red. 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:57.320 But first joining me now is Liberal Senator Alex Antique. 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.960 Alex, you were the driving force. 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.960 Behind I'm the South Australian Liberal Party's recent decision to 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:07.200 abandon net zero by twenty fifty, and you called on 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:09.720 the Federal Libs to also walk away from net zero. 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:14.800 But just hours later, the South Australian Liberal leader pulled 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:18.240 cold water on the move, telling reporters that none of 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:22.000 these policy discussions bind any of the parliamentary wings of 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:22.640 the party. 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:25.240 Tell my audience what's going on. 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.440 Are the South Australian Libs walking away from net zero 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:30.840 or are you sort of still half pregnant? 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.120 Well, look, Rita, what we're talking about actually was a 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.080 was a motion that went through our State Council of 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.400 the Liberal Party meets quarterly and for pre selections. 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:43.800 But this is just a routine meeting. 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:47.720 There are a number of party members and others who 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.880 were involved in putting forward a policy discussion about whether 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:54.800 or not the federal Parliamentary Party should be continuing to 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.840 press on with net zero supporting net zero, and the 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:01.520 overwhelming response was no, it shouldn't be, which was very 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:05.240 very encouraging, and that motion was passed and so the 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.840 Parliamentary Party, I guess, have received that message from the 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:13.320 South Australian division that the members here don't want that 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:15.720 support to continue, and they don't want it for good reason. 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.120 I mean for a whole range of reasons, but for 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:19.880 all the reasons we've been talking about for a very 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.720 long period of time. Net zero in itself is really 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:26.520 nothing more than a than a catch cry from a 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:29.679 time gone by. Really, I've been saying it's a sort 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:33.000 of a cash cry from a globalist bureaucrats who are 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.720 really doing nothing more than making China rich at our expense. 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.120 And so I think it's a very good position. I 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.920 hope it's adopted by the Federal Party. The State Party, 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:43.840 of course, weren't actually mentioned in the motion. They have 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:46.679 their own position and that's fair enough too. But ultimately 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.160 this comes back to listening to our members, which is 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.119 what we are here to do and we should. 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:51.720 Continue to do so. 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:54.160 Well. 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.880 So far we haven't had really any clarity from the 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:00.720 new Liberal leader Sas and Leon net zero under review 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:02.519 with a bunch of other policies. 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:04.880 But how much longer is that going going to take? 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:09.120 Alex, Surely the party knows where it stands on this 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:15.200 crucial issue. You've back net zero and lost two elections badly. 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:20.720 I don't understand what the confusion is here. Surely, if 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.680 you want to provide the Australian public with a clear 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:28.359 choice on this crucial policy area, you have to back away. 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:31.679 Well, let me start off by telling you what my 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.360 own view on the issue of the so called climate 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:36.320 wars is and that is that we should be providing 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:39.480 the cheapest possible power we can possibly provide, which of 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:42.040 course comes back to colon gas, and we should be 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.480 doing that. Senator Matt Canavan and I were I think 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:47.560 some of the only, if not the only, members of 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.440 the Coalition who opposed the flip to net zero during 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.520 the Morrison era in two thousand and twenty two or 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:55.680 twenty one, whenever it was at the end of that term. 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:58.720 And actually, if you look back on the history of it, 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:02.200 we went to the two thousand nineteen election with the 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.040 very strong message that we're going to save the weekend 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:07.800 and with no net zero policy, and had, of course 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.520 for a range of reasons, but that being one of them, 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:14.040 a very very strong return from the electorate compared to 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:17.720 the following two elections which have been no good, the last. 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.520 One being the worst when we've adopted net zero. 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.559 Now, obviously there are multitude of factors here, but putting 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:26.480 Australia first has got to mean dumping net zero, and 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:28.200 I hope we do come to that position, and I 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:29.520 hope we come to it quickly. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.159 As a party. 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:37.760 Absolutely twenty nineteen, you won the unwinnable election and energy policy. 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:41.160 Remember they called it a referendum on climate change policies 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:45.560 and the coalition one. Now the UK government has announced 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.600 over neither. They're going to be overhauling their defense budget. 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:52.040 They'll be increasing the budget at two point five percent 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:56.240 of GDP by twenty twenty seven. The US is pushing 0:04:56.240 --> 0:05:00.440 Australia to lift our defense spending, but the Prime Minister is. 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:01.560 So far refusing. 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.839 Apparently the UK is a very different place to Australia. 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.600 The UK's in a different place from Australia. We determine 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:17.320 our defense policy. Here where a sovereign nation that need 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:21.440 to have pride in our sovereignty and in our capacity 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:25.160 to make decisions in our national interest. 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:29.800 Alex the PM is talking tough there. He wasn't so 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:33.800 tough when Chinese warships were doing live fire exercises and 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:37.440 we're detected just one hundred and fifty nautical miles from Sydney. 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:42.760 But so far he is refusing to entertain increased spending 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:43.400 on defense. 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:45.280 Yeah. 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.919 Well, I mean it's one for the Prime Minister. I 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.400 mean this is the Prime Minister, of course, who suggested 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.560 that the President of the United States scared the excrement 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.240 out of him a while back. So maybe that's hard 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:57.880 to do it. I don't know, but I would have 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:01.040 thought that protecting Australia's borders was the number one priority 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:04.280 of a prime minister in a government, and defense spending 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:05.760 would be one of them. And this is very consistent 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:07.720 with what the Trump administration has been doing all over 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:08.080 the world. 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:10.440 It's no surprise. It shouldn't be a surprise to this government. 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:14.600 They've seen them the pitch for higher spending throughout Europe 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:16.320 for a long time, in fact, going back to the 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:20.080 first Trump Trump administration, and why should Australia be any different. 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:22.960 I mean, you know, this government can find money for 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.719 all sorts of things, including hundreds and hundreds of millions 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:30.200 of dollars for the Voice referendum, to build larger bureaucracies, 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.440 to Bricky and their mates in Canberra, and for a 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:37.120 whole range of you so called intermittent power. They don't 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.279 call them that, We're going to call them that intermittent power, 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:42.200 not renewable power subsidies all over the country. But they 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.880 can't find money to defend our borders. I mean, where 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.159 are the priorities of this government? We need a government 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.400 that's Australia first, and spending on defense is high on 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:51.080 the priority list. 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:51.720 They would have thought. 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:58.799 Now the Prime Minister has left proposed to peranuation tax 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:03.359 hikes open to negotiation in an effort to possibly sideline 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.680 the Greens in the Senate and strike a deal with 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:10.080 the Coalition instead. But Alex, surely any coalition backing of 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:14.960 this tax hike has to exclude the plan to tax 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:16.840 unrealized capital gains. 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:18.200 That has to go. 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.120 Well, look, reader, I mean, at the end of the day, 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.880 it's very simple. We are the party of low taxes 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.280 and of small government and we need to be very 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.200 resolute on that. I mean, you know, it is true 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.560 to say that this Senate in particular is going to 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:36.520 provide an interesting series of decisions for leadership team. I 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:40.040 mean there are now I think they need the Coalition 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:42.880 or the Greens to pass laws on one side of 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:46.080 the fence. You'd have an argument that allowing the Greens 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.360 to be negotiated with over the top of us will 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.600 mean that we get worse law turned into even worse law. 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:54.600 But my position on this, for what it's worth, my 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.080 personal position is that the Liberal Party should always be 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.880 true to its core beliefs, the we believe statement, and 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.320 we should always stand for lower taxes, and that doesn't 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.200 always mean doing a deal, even if it means a 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:09.000 worse result in some instances. I think in some cases 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:13.040 we need to just simply allow Labor and the Greens 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:15.680 to show what they're made of here, and we need 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:17.960 to be resolute and sell that message to the Australian 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.840 people that will always be lower taxed under a Liberal 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:21.720 coalition government. 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.880 Now, a lot has been said about the Liberal Party 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:28.600 and young voters, so. 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.240 Let's just hear now from some young Liberals. 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:35.960 There's people on the conservative side of politics that say 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.040 the Coalition needs to go further to the right. That's 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.520 why they're losing the election. If the Coalition needed to 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:42.920 go further to the right, one nation would be in government. 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:45.120 But they're not what we had on election day with 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:46.720 a message from the Australian people. 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.320 And it's up to us now to listen and to learn, 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.120 and I'm confident that the party will do that. 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:54.359 I think there is a little bit of a misconception 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:55.760 that for the Liberals are these. 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.040 Big bad guys, or that they have some kind of 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.880 very extreme viewer who old. I think that's inherently incorrect. 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.440 I think the more important thing to do is to 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.040 sort of go, Okay, what does it mean to. 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:06.760 Be a conservative in twenty twenty five? 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.960 So what does it mean to be sort of socially progressive. 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:13.200 But economically a bit more liberal? How does that frame now? Alex? 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.800 I don't want to be unkind, but if that's the 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.120 future of the Liberals, maybe you should just wind up 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:21.640 the party now and find some new projects. 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.080 Well, look, I mean, I think reader, I mean, actually 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.840 I know all three in some degree, and they're all 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:31.320 very good young people, I have to say, But we 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.280 are dealing with the ABC, and the ABC does find 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:38.120 a way to prosecute its own view of the world 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:39.600 in many instances in. 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.200 A way that which you would expect they would. 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.400 And I think in many instances, you know, we could 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.920 have found probably, you know, if you give it, if 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.080 the ABC had contacted me and given me a heads up, 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.640 I could have probably found seventy young people that might 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.480 have taken a different view. But that's the way it is. 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:56.600 It is, as they say, a broad Church, and look, 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:58.720 we're not always going to agree. What I would say, though, 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:03.000 is that this narrative that somehow the Liberal Party, particularly 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.360 here in South Australia, has gone hard right or far 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.920 right or whatever, and that only applies if you're coming 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:09.839 from the hard left, as far as I was always, 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.200 I'm only far right to the far left. And what 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.640 we're talking about is getting the party back to a 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:17.000 position where it's talking about the issues that are important 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:20.160 to middle Australia. And I challenge anyone to tell us 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.440 anything about the sort of policies that I would you know, 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.200 push that are in that category. I think they're all 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.520 very sensible and I think a lot of mainstream Australians 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.240 would agree. So I think it says more about the 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.719 ABC than it does any of our young liberals. 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.760 Frankly, absolutely. 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:40.880 Now before you go earlier today, the latest GDP figures 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:45.760 were released and it's not great for the economy. Australia's 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.120 GDP increased by just zero point two percent in the 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:52.800 March quarter. That's lower than the zero point six percent 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:57.440 we saw in December and lower than the expectations that 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:01.040 economists had Alex. The key figure here is the per 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:06.880 capita figure. GDP per capita has gone back zero point 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.560 four percent, and that's really what impacts people. 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:15.079 Yeah, yeah, and of course we've seen similar stats over 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:19.480 the last quarter or so about the decline in disposable income. 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:23.040 We're now i think leading the Western world leading I 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.079 use that term very loosely. I think eight percent. We've 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.680 gone backwards over the last term. And I mean, look, 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.760 this is just unfortunately we're we're up to I mean, 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.280 we are, as we have said many times under this 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.880 government and under this ethos, a nation in decline, sadly. 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:42.680 And look, our job is to provide a strong alternative, 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:44.360 both economically. 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:45.040 And I would say culturally. 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.480 And you know, we're just unfortunately it's going to be 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.640 a rough ride the next three years for Australian so 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.080 we just have to do everything we can to push 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:53.560 back on that. 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.000 Well, this is what's so remarkable. Yes, it was a 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.959 very lackluster election campaign from the Libs, but Australia has 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:07.319 just seen the biggest drop in living standards in the 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:11.480 developed world and the party that oversaw that has been 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:16.520 returned in our landslide. What does that say about the 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.240 election campaign that the Libs ran. 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:21.520 Well, look, i mean we've been a lot said about it. 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:24.040 I'veset a lot about it as well. I think it 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:27.720 needs to be properly reviewed, of course, but I would 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:29.760 say from the outset that we need to be very 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.080 clear about what we stand for, and I don't think 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:33.600 that the campaign. 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:37.040 Did that, and did it on a range of reasons. Look, 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:37.840 this is what we're. 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:40.320 Talking about when we're saying getting the party back to 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.080 what middle Australia is talking about. 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:43.959 We can't be frightened of issues which. 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:48.000 The left push, which are otherwise seen as being radioactive. 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:52.000 Most mainstream Australians are talking about them, be they economic, 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.720 be they cultural, and we have to be out and 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:56.640 loud and proud about it. And it's as simple as that. 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:58.880 And that's my hope for the next election cycles that 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:04.280 we start putting some clear alternatives and non labor light alternatives. 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.600 Yes, non labor light being the keywords. They're sent to Alexandchik. 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:09.680 Thank you for your time tonight. 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:11.000 Thanks reader. 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.520 Joining me now is one of the finest thinkers of 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:18.640 his generation, best selling author Douglas Murray Douglas, We've got 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:22.600 plenty to discuss today. Let's start with Bono, the preachy 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:26.400 YouTube front man with a history of questionable tax arrangements. 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:31.360 He's had some thoughts about usaid. 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:31.520 It's not proven. 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:35.880 But there's surveillance enough suggests three hundred thousand people have 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:37.840 already died from just this. 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:41.880 Cut off, this hard cut of USAID. 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.240 Douglas, we've got Bill Gates also making all sorts of 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:46.400 bold claims. 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:48.600 He's saying millions of debts. 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:53.439 Will this sort of advocacy for USAID have any effect? 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:55.960 No, it won't. 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.360 I think, as far as we know, the judgment of 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:04.360 Elon Ask, the Doge team, and indeed President Trump was 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.440 that they looked under the bonnet of what was there 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:10.760 at USAID, looked to see if there was anything worth salvageable, 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:14.439 and decided that the whole thing was so rotten and 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.800 there was so much unaccountability that it just. 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:18.839 Wasn't worth saving. It was worth scrapping. 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:24.320 I'm always loath to hear from Bono pretty much about 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:28.320 any subject other than singing with You two, which he's 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:32.880 great at. But whenever something like him talks like this, 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:37.200 they always seem to forget. This isn't their money to 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.720 give away. To his credit, Bill Gates says that he's 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:41.840 going to give away his money and give it away 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.120 to Africa, and we'll see if he does that. 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.360 But when Bono speaks like this. 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:47.440 He seems to forget. 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:48.760 This isn't just. 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.880 The sort of free money from something. This is money 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:55.840 that American taxpayers work for and hand over to the 0:14:55.840 --> 0:15:00.680 federal government to be well used. And the is that 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:04.960 USAID's money was not well used. It was an incredibly 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.960 political entity, whether as I say, very little accountability. It 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.880 just it just hosed money out, particularly toward the end 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.240 of Biden's time in office, if you can say he 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.560 was actually in office. It just holds money out because 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:20.480 they want to be able to demonstrate that they're giving 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.680 out money. Well, I'd rather see that they're actually doing 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:25.880 some good with that money. But yes, it's very easy 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:28.360 for you, write bono to be very generous with other 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:29.160 people's money. 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:34.080 Yes, I think people's eyes have been open to this 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:38.240 sort of activism. USIID was funding around the world, as 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.520 so many of these movements will be wondering where they're 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.880 getting the money from. Where's this organic, sort of grassroots movement. 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:49.480 It never was that it was taxpayers unwishingly funding this madness. 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:50.920 Now, Douglas, it's happened again. 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:55.320 Kirstarma is again tweeting like his Donald Trump and angry 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:58.400 Donald Trump. He posted, you have every right to be 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:02.600 angry about small boat crossings. I'm angry too, and he's 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:04.880 promised all sorts of action there. But that was the 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:08.760 number of people claiming asylum in the UK in the 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.920 past year in twenty twenty four was the highest since 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:12.920 records began. 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:15.600 They're not really doing much to solve. 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:19.880 This issue, no, I mean, Kirs Starmer says, you know 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.720 in a tweet, I'm angry in order to try to 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:27.840 placate the actual real anger of the British public, who 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:32.280 just whether it's conservative or labor, the migration just keeps 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:36.080 going up, up and up endlessly, so that just illegal 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.760 boat crossings across the channel in a single day again 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:42.000 the other day were about eleven hundred people, well the 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.760 one thousand people arriving illegally in a day. And what's 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.560 the point of having laws, what's the point of even 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.600 pretending you have borders, let alone pretending that you're angry 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.920 when they are they're being infringed, when they're being infringed 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:57.280 every single day, when the law is being made to 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:00.280 look like an ass every single day. And if Arma 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.120 actually wants to demonstrate that he feels angry about this, 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.200 he shouldn't just send out a tweet he should start 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:10.760 the forced deportation of the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.800 of people who have broken into the UK illegally. 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:15.479 Is he going to do that? 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:18.760 We'll see. 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:21.000 Probably unlikely. 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:25.359 Staying in the UK, one has to ask does the 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:29.240 country now have quasi blasphemy laws or perhaps I should 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.840 just call them blasphemy laws. We have a man who 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:36.720 burnt a copy of the Koran, his own copy and 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:42.480 shouted in Turkish that Islam is religion of terrorism. Well, 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:47.880 Douglas has been convicted of a religiously aggravated public order 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:49.680 offense and find. 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:53.640 You're completely right, reader, this is simply a blasphemy law. 0:17:54.080 --> 0:18:00.639 You know, if somebody set light to a Bible, everybody 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.760 will be running out saying this man has an absolute 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.720 right to do so. The churches will be falling over 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:11.120 themselves to demonstrate it. It will probably win the Turner 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:14.480 Prize or some other art prize for being so daring. 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:19.800 But no, the holy book of modern Britain, as so 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.159 many other Western democracies now, is the Qoran. 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:23.440 It's the holy. 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.679 Book in that even the people who've never opened it 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.160 and don't know what's in it know that that is 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:32.040 the thing that has to be protected. So whether you're 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:36.280 an autistic school child in the North of England who 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:40.680 accidentally drops the Koran on the floor, that child's mother 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.240 will have to sit in front of effectively a Sharia 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.160 council and beg for the life of her child. In 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.159 Britain in the twenty first century, if you're a school 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:54.159 teacher in Batley and some deranged, semi educated parent alleges 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:58.760 that a teacher has said something blasphemous about Islam, then 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:02.080 that teacher goes into and is still in hiding to 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:05.320 this day. And if you burn a Koran, it turns 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.320 out that's the holy book. That's the thing you mustn't touch. 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:12.720 It's not just a blasphemy law. It's a blasphemy law 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:16.520 that the state is allowing to be pushed through by 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:20.320 threat of force. Because nobody is doing an argument here. 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.440 You know, there's no good argument for why the Quran 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.359 has to be treated as the holiest of holy books. No, 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:31.320 it's only that intimidation, violence and thuggery seems to work. 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:33.520 And I thought that was the sort of thing that 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:35.680 the law was there to protect us against. 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:38.800 Absolutely. 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:41.199 Now let's go to the US and you've written in 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:45.840 the Spectator about the derangement of Harvard. The Ivyla College 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:49.680 is currently at war with the Trump administration. We had 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:54.440 those a thirty more than thirty Harvard University student organization 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:59.720 signing a letter Douglas literally whilst October seven, Victims was 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:06.160 still being uncovered blaming the Israeli regime entirely for the 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:10.360 unfolding violence. Tell me what's happening at Harvard. How did 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:15.639 this prestigious Ivyley College become such a hot bit of 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:18.040 hatred and hostility. 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:22.240 Well, you know, it's well documented. As you said, Rita, 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:25.240 the students of places like Harvard, from the seventh of 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:28.840 October twenty twenty three onwards were making it clear. 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:30.040 Which side they were on. 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:33.639 They were saying in a joint letter written on the 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:37.000 seventh of October that the Israeli government, not Hamas the 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:41.400 Israeli government was responsible for all violence. And since then 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.440 students at Harvard and other elite universities have been allowed 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:50.440 to rampage across university, shut down student accommodations and places 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:56.320 of study, intimidate and beat up employees, and basically act 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:59.800 as low level copycats of the thugs of Hamas, and 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:02.720 they seem to admire so much, but the real thing 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:07.320 is Rita. We should all congratulate these students at Harvard 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:12.040