1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: GEO, thanks for listening to the show. Ali Abdal was 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: here earlier in the week. He was here on Wednesday. 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: It was a fantastic episode. If you haven't checked it out, 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: I'll pop a link in the notes there. But one 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: of the things he talked about really stuck with me 6 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: and I wanted to expand on it a bit. He 7 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: talked about play and how play is probably the most 8 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: effective productivity device that you can possibly use. Anyone that's 9 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: ever said to their kid, I'll ratio to get him 10 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom, toilet, dinner table, daycare, doctor, whatever. 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: You know, how it works. Working play into things is 12 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: very motivating for kids and adults. It's been renamed gamification. 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: One of my cars had a gamification thing, and I'll 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: tell you about it in a second. But how much 15 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: is play in your life from day to day? I'm 16 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: guessing you're an adult or at least old enough to 17 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: own a phone, So how much is play a part 18 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: of your life? Because besides getting things done through the day, 19 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: what other value you can play bring into your life. 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: You might think it's behind you, and you might think 21 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna dine for that. However, people like Albert 22 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: Einstein and Charles Darwin. Even the physicist Richard Feynman, who's 23 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: I don't know what unknobile price may disagree. That's what 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about. In just a moment. I 25 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: need to play some ads. I'm back after the break. 26 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: Good day. This is better than yesterday, helping you back 27 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: today better than yesterday since twenty thirteen. Thanks for being here. 28 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: My name's Osha Ginsburg. I a podcaster. I'm a best 29 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 1: selling author, my husband, a dad, a step dad, a 30 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: hip rehab rememberer, a regular sauna haer. I'm an excellent 31 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: night sleeper because of the regular sauna having thing. I'm 32 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: very glad that you're here today. Earlier on in the week, 33 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: Ali Abdull was here Massive Get Huge Guests, absolutely incredible. 34 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: His new book is really really clever and the episode's 35 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: really good, so check it out for sure. And I 36 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: particularly like one thing that he spoke about, find a 37 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: way to make something fun. The greatest way to increase 38 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: productivity is to use play and deliberately try to find 39 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: how you might be able to make a game out 40 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: of whatever it is, or to make the thing that 41 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: you're doing fun to do. And nowadays like It's been 42 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: called gamification, but it's just simply making a game out 43 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: of it. I'm making something fun. One of my early 44 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: electric cars, my This and Leaf, my twenty eleven, there 45 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: was a game built into the car. As you know, 46 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: it's a battery powered car. There's no internal combustion engine. 47 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 1: And the more efficiently that you drove it, a little 48 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: tree would grow in the display on the dashboard. And 49 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: no one else is going to see this. I'm often 50 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: I was driving around Los Angeles. No one's seeing it 51 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: but me, and I would try as hard as I 52 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: could to drive really, really efficiently and let the regenerative 53 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: breaking take care of things and try to grow as 54 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: many trees as good what I was getting from here 55 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: to there, And there was even it had a telemetory, 56 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: so the Australian versions of it didn't have it, but 57 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: the American version had a sim card in it, and 58 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: it would compare how many trees you got driving that 59 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: day to other people in your area and the world, 60 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: and it said you are two thousandth in California and 61 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: the first place was in Japan. Like it was. At 62 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: the end of every ride, it would give me my score. 63 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: I was incentivized to drive more efficiently. It's in my 64 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: late thirties at this time. Play is really important as 65 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: a motivating factor when we're young. Physical play is also 66 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: really important when it comes to learning. Play based learning 67 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: is so vital for little kids. We all know that, 68 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: but as we get older, we forget that play based 69 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: learning is also good for grown ups. It's not only 70 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: a fun way to downregulate or keep yourself healthy, but 71 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,119 Speaker 1: it's also a fantastic way to come up with new 72 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: ideas and take your creativity to another level. I see 73 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: it every day. The daycare that Wolf he goes to, 74 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: is a it's a play based learning place where he goes. 75 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: But it's really fun because the kids don't quite realize 76 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: that they're being taught stuff. The play that they incorporate there. 77 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: Really you can see how much it strengthens their ability 78 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: to experiment and explore and solve problems, even negotiate. You know, 79 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: they're learning even when they were little. When he was 80 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: two or two and a half and he's figuring out, 81 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: you're holding the thing that I want. I was holding it, 82 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: you took it off me. Let me figure that out. 83 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: And it's really important stuff to do when you're little. 84 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: All those things are just fundamental in their development as 85 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: a human, but also the cognitive development because when they're playing, 86 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: even the wild games they make are with Wolfe mate. 87 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like, no, dud, you're the helicopter pilot and 88 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm baking the donuts. Okay, now go and I'll fly 89 00:04:55,640 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: that helicopter. Because what he's doing when we're playing this 90 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: game together is he's figuring things out. He's figuring out 91 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: how to test a hypothesis. You know, maybe if I 92 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: tried this way, I might be able to win the 93 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: game that I've just invented, even though I made the 94 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: rules up. Like he can figure out, he's you know, 95 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: testing hypotheses. He's even when I'm making it harder for 96 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: him to win the own game that he's invented. You know, 97 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: I do that because I want him to figure it out. 98 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: It also helps him learn from his mistakes and generally 99 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: get a better understanding of the world that he lives in. 100 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: You know, physics, the arcs of things when you throw them, 101 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: the way gravity works, the choice and consequence. How tasty 102 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: donuts are when eaten in a helicopter. Very tasty, apparently. 103 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: Maggie Dent often talks about how important it is for 104 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: kids to play because play helps them learn how to lose, 105 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: and she talks about how important it is to learn 106 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: that before the age of five. Actually, she's coming on 107 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. I will ask her about it. 108 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: She's fantastic. I can't wait to have her here. Play 109 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: is one of the ways that kids can, you know, 110 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: safely explore things like disappointment and failure. Learning how to 111 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: manage all the feelings of stress, the stress that am 112 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: I going to win this or not? Or the excitement, 113 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: how to control your hands shaking when you're excited about 114 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: playing something, an emotional regulation that comes with that, sadness 115 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: that comes with maybe not wing something. BEA's all those things, 116 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: what do they ultimately do if you're learning them when 117 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: you're little, that they really build resilience in a person. 118 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: And one of the great ways to get there is, 119 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: you know, I was through sport, which is a great 120 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: opportunity to learn social skills, practice things like communication and cooperation, 121 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: understanding teamwork, working together for a greater court, empathy for 122 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: other kids who might have fallen over and hurt themselves, 123 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: been knocked around a bit while they're playing, you know, 124 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: learning empathy, and that's my friend and they're hurting, so 125 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: I feel bad too. Wolf and I we've actually just 126 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: started jiu jitsu together because he's still too little to 127 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: be thrown around by another kid, not quite there yet, 128 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: so I go to a class with him and sometimes 129 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: Ordrey does it where it's me and him on the 130 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: mat and it is awesome. I love it so everything 131 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: I've just spoken about. But I love it too because 132 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: even though I'm full of prosthetics and torn ligaments and 133 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: my right hands on as good as it used to 134 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: be and my shoulder bit fucked, and I love it 135 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: because he's learning how to fall over to be dominated. Essentially, 136 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: I'm on top of him, not allowing him to move, 137 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: and he's learning in we're giggling and it's hilarious, but 138 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: he's learning what it's like that he's also learning how 139 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: to be on top of me and what it is 140 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: to lock me down and get my arm in a position. 141 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: And I'm really glad I've got him in there, because 142 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do with my physicality that 143 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: I suddenly had when I was a teenager. I got 144 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: big quickly, or maybe within six months. I was markedly 145 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: bigger than how I was, and I've been that size 146 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: ever since. But suddenly I'm just this dude. I probably 147 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: didn't have the most ability to regulate myself. And I 148 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: want to dodge that podcast the other day, Uncomfortable Conversations. 149 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: I love that guy. I love his show, and we 150 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: were talking about this, and I told him a story 151 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: about how I've only ever hit someone once. And I 152 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: was fourteen and the touch Shop line. This guy that 153 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: had been bullying me when I turned around on him 154 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: so hard I split my knuckle open, and the first 155 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: thing I did was run as fast as I came 156 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: away from him, and then I sat down in a 157 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: corner of the playground and cried. And I cried not 158 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: only because I didn't like the feeling that I had 159 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: inside me from hurting another person, but speaking to you now, 160 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: I think I was also crying because I was really 161 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,359 Speaker 1: afraid of the anger just coming out of me and 162 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: not really feeling like I could control it. And that 163 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: was also really scary, and so I'd never really done anything. 164 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: That's part of the reason I've never been in a 165 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: fight after that ever, not once. It's because of that. 166 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: And play is a really safe way for little kids 167 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: to learn to be with that anger, particularly young boys, 168 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: to be with their own physicality, to know that inside 169 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: them there is a lion and a lamb, all right, 170 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: and if you can call on both when needed, if 171 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: you can learn how to bring each one out, that's 172 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: really important. It's also really important knowing how to shift 173 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: from one to the other. That itself is a skill 174 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: that I never had when I was young, and it 175 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: would have gone a long way to help me avoid 176 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: all kinds of trouble. And that is another amazingly important 177 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: reason that play is a massive part of my life 178 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: and Wolfe's life. I'm very lucky to have wolf and 179 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: Georgia around. I'm very lucky to have a reason to play. 180 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: I've had a reason to play since well as an adult, 181 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: since George has been around. When I first met Georgia, 182 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: we would I would play ukulele and we would make 183 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: up musicals in the living room, and she would make 184 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: up all their choreography and we'ld just improvise musicals just 185 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: to make her laugh. And it was just super fun. 186 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: Wolfe and I we are in invented places with different 187 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: rules of physics and society all the time. As an adult. 188 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: It gives me a wonderful chance not only to connect 189 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: and bond with him, but there's also heaps of benefits 190 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: that I get out of play. And I want us 191 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: to talk to you about why it's important, why you 192 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: may want to think about incorporating some play, deliberate play 193 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: into your day. I will do that in the moment. 194 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: I just need to take a quick break, be right back. 195 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. We're talking about play 196 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: on the back of having Ali Abdell here the other 197 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: day speaking about how play is probably the most effective 198 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: productivity tool you can possibly have. Find a way to 199 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: make it fun. Essentially, there's so many things that a 200 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: play can do for an adult, and finding a way 201 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: to put it in your day is really important because 202 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: I don't have to tell you. You feel better after 203 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: playing whatever it is. It makes you feel less stressed, 204 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: you feel happier. You know you're moving around, there's in doorphins, 205 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: You've got open meons flying through your body. If you're 206 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: doing it with other people, you know you're connecting with others, 207 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: because as you get older, you have less friends. That's 208 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 1: just how it goes. I was doing a thing in 209 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: Adelaide the other day and I was at the Only 210 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: Oval and I saw a walking football game go on. 211 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: I've never seen walking football when I saw a walking 212 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: football game go on. And these are people that have 213 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: been busting from their old folks home, and it's rare 214 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: you see old dudes, all right. If you're if you're 215 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: a man in your eighties or seventies, eighties and you're 216 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: walking around like that is a rare thing. It's like, 217 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: not many walking around eighty year old guys who are 218 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: living in old times. You know, men die earlier, that's 219 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: what happened. And there's all these guys. They're walking around 220 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: and they're having chats with each other, and they're playing 221 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: a game of AFL, a walking game for AFL. They're 222 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: not tackling each other, So I've got bloody. We got 223 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: chatted about prosthetic hips with a lot in common, and 224 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: it was extraordinary listening to these guys talk about how 225 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: much they loved to do it. It was mixed so 226 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: as men and women playing and just how connected they 227 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: felt and how much better it was for them emotionally 228 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: and mentally. They were really open about it, talking about, 229 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: oh yeah, since I started this, it's really great I'm 230 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: feeling more myself and got more energy, and I feel 231 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: more connected and I feel more supported. This is really 232 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 1: really important. This is the reason social netball exists. I mean, 233 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: despite being probably one of the most violent games I've 234 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: ever played, I have more scirrel grips and social netball 235 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: than anything I have a play at score. But yeah, 236 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: it's a reason that social support exists. I mean, you're 237 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: hardly going to sprint two steps to the left and 238 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: two steps to the right and do that repetitively for 239 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: twenty minutes by yourself. But if you and your mate 240 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 1: are playing pickleball, your brain is so wrapped up in 241 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: the fun of hitting this little holy ball around you 242 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: forget that you're actually exercising. And there's research around the 243 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: way that play as an adult can help your cognitive function. 244 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: It can help your memory, your attention, and the previously 245 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: mentioned age related cognitive decline which this whole guy was 246 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: telling me about. It's really important that the favorite part 247 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: that I love most about play, however, is an adult 248 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: I have a creative job. Ideas are part of what 249 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: pays the bills for me, and coming up with ideas 250 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: and new ways of saying things and doing things and 251 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: things like this is really important for me, so I'm 252 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: trying to incorporate more and more deliberate ways of bringing 253 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: this creativity online. And play is a huge part of that. 254 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: It encourages, I guess in me and encourages a state 255 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: of mind that I guess is more open a possibility 256 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: and open to new ideas. I mean, if you've ever 257 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: been on a work conference and tried to build a 258 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: suspension bridge out of straws and string, you know what 259 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, because you would have done that right 260 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: before you sat down in a big conference room and 261 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: then came up with solutions for the supply chain problems 262 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: you're facing in Q four. But they get you to 263 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: do the conference organizers get you to do these playful, 264 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: challenging things to get your brain working in different directions 265 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: so that when you sit down and get asked to 266 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: solve a problem, you think of something you've never thought 267 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: of before. And if you don't have kids yourself, or 268 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: you've grown up when your kids are out, making time 269 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: to play in your day is really really important, not 270 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: just for health wise, but also as far as like 271 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: if you're trying to solve a problem, whatever, it is, 272 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: just remember that some of the biggest brains to ever 273 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: walk the earth deliberately used play every day. Albert Einstein, 274 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: he really used play a lot. He played the violin, 275 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: he would sail all the time. He has been quoted 276 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: as saying that playing really helped stimulate his creativity and 277 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: helped him get at problems from different angles. And while 278 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: Albert Einstein never actually said I thought of the theory 279 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: of relativity while I rode my bicycle, he didn't actually 280 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: say that. However, if you've ever seen a picture of 281 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: Albert Einstein riding a bicycle and you see the smile 282 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: on his face, that is the face of a man 283 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: who loves to play. Not the one with the mushroom 284 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: cloud that's fake Voto, but the other one. Richard Feynman, 285 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: he's a Nobel Prize winning physicist. He made groundbreaking contributions 286 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: in corner mechanics and cornum electrodyna and all kinds of things. 287 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: He used play as a fundamental part of its work. 288 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: He has these amazing lectures. You can find them online. 289 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: Rich Just look at rich and Feinneman physical lectures. They're fantastic. 290 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: So this guy who has won a Nobel Prize for 291 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: quantum mechanics and stuff. There's videos of him playing bongos 292 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: like he is in Carlos Santana's band and he's on tour. 293 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: He's considered one of the most influential physicists of the 294 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: twentieth century, and play was a massive part of his 295 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: process and the way he came up with new ideas 296 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: and new concepts, and the bongos, the bongos were a massive, 297 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: big part of that. Now, if you can't play bongos, 298 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: you can't play violin. That's fine. Walking is enough. Yesterday 299 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: at bath time Wolf he was asking about dinosaurs, and 300 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: he was talking about, oh, so if the people get 301 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: out of the way of the bronosaurus, isn't that saying no, 302 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: the people and the dinosaurs never existed at the same time. 303 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: And then we started we got onto evolution, and then 304 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: we had to get out of the buses getting cold. 305 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: And I didn't have to answer too many of his 306 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: follow up questions because he kept saying that who put 307 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: the people there? And I said, other people? But what 308 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: about those people? Or whack whack, Oh there's a duck, mate. 309 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: We've got to get out of the bath put a 310 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: timer on the phone. But evolution. The one that we 311 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: know about that came from Charles Darwin, as you know, 312 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: and Charles Darwin quite famously deliberately made time to play 313 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: with his kids. He made sure it happened, and he 314 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: would invent games and make up stories. And this is 315 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: also a person who quite deliberately used walking as an 316 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: essential tool, not only for his physical wellbeing and his 317 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: mental well being, but for his scientific work. Darwin would 318 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: walk twice a day. He would walk in the morning 319 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: in the afternoon. There's a gravel pass near where he 320 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: lived in England. It's in Kent, and Darwin called it 321 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: his thinking path and he would use these walks to 322 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, ponder his questions, his scientific questions, or 323 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: think about his theories, and carried a notebook with him 324 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: to drop down ideas. When I first got into running, 325 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: a made of mine was in the States, he said, Oh, 326 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: when I was growing up in Chicago, my dad ran 327 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: every day. Like Chicago gets a minus fifty or something. 328 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: So the guy was clearly dedicated as a runner. That 329 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: he said, my dad always said there was never a 330 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: problem there. He went out with on a run and 331 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: he didn't come back with a solution for and I 332 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: feel the same way about being on my bicycle. That's 333 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: another form of play I love. I don't really ride 334 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: my roadbike anymore, the one with the likra and the 335 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: drop bars and the fancy breaks. I ride a cargo 336 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: bike with a Tudor horn on it, and it is 337 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: super duper fun because that's where you know. I find 338 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: it really playful to ride a bicycle, even in traffic. 339 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: I find it really joyful, and it's elating, it really is. 340 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: So I hope you find a way to get playful 341 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: this week, and remember that you've still got it in 342 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: here from when you were three to five years old. 343 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: You still have all that stuff inside you and reconnecting 344 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: with that thing, the excitement of invention and possibility and 345 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: making up games and making up rules, and the wonder 346 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: when you win the game that never existed five minutes 347 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: ago and we'll never be played again, just between you 348 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: and this other person. That's actually really really good for you, 349 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: and also it can help you get things done, which 350 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: I think is delightful. Thanks for playing. This episode was 351 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: brought to you by Andy Maher on audio post production, 352 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: Beck Sayed on video post production, Toe Hyder on music, 353 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: our producer is Breeze Steel, and Osher's executive function assistant 354 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: is Monica Chapman for every episode ever. To get on 355 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: the mailing list or to get in touch, head to 356 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: Osheginsburg dot com.