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Speaker 1: On scorn lives Ostrodia. This is the Wider Paney Show.

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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Reader Panehy Show.

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Speaker 3: Coming up tonight, the Victorian government is finally getting tough

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Speaker 3: on crime by copying Queensland's adult crime Adult time laws.

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Speaker 3: Nikata will join me to discuss the day's top headlines.

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Speaker 3: The Great Douglas Murray will be here and we'll do

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Speaker 3: a deep dive into the BBC's sad decline as a

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Speaker 3: trusted broadcaster. Jack Houghton will unpack the latest controversy in

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Speaker 3: broiling our taxpayer funded public broadcaster and C J. Pearson

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Speaker 3: will have the latest news from the US and Left

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Speaker 3: is losing. It features a bigot with a septum ring

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Speaker 3: misusing the word fascist.

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Speaker 4: Turning point, UNISA should not be here and they are

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Speaker 4: like a fascist organization and nobody here agrees with what

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Speaker 4: they are saying.

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Speaker 3: We'll start in Victoria, where offenders age fourteen and above

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Speaker 3: face possible life sentences under new laws. The Allen Labor

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Speaker 3: government has announced to address ramp and youth crime dubbed

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Speaker 3: adult Time for violent crime. Labour's new laws mark a

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Speaker 3: major overhaul of the Victorian justice system and will mean

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Speaker 3: anyone who is more than fourteen years of age and

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Speaker 3: is charged with home invasion, carjackings, or intentionally or recklessly

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Speaker 3: causing injury in circumstances of gross violence will face trial

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Speaker 3: in the county court, not the children's court.

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Speaker 2: The government insists the laws will be.

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Speaker 3: Introduced by the end of the week, though it has

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Speaker 3: not yet written the legislation. Joining me now for more

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Speaker 3: on this is Menzi's Research Center.

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Speaker 2: Senior fellow Nick Cator. Nick, it was only last month where.

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Speaker 3: I called on the just into Alan government to emulate

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Speaker 3: Queensland's successful adult time adult crime laws, and they seem

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Speaker 3: to be doing just that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we should call this the Panahi law.

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Speaker 5: They're instituting that. Well done you and the Herald Sanna.

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Speaker 5: You've been pointing this out for some time. You know,

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Speaker 5: as many of us in my columns. You know, there's

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Speaker 5: a simple way to reduce the amount of crime in Melbourne,

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Speaker 5: and that's to put more criminals in jail for longer.

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Speaker 5: It's not actually rocket science. But you know, as we

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Speaker 5: pointed out before, Victoria has the lowest rates of imprisonment

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Speaker 5: for these sort of offenses of any state in the country.

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Speaker 5: It also has the emptiest prisons, and they're particularly bad

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Speaker 5: at jailing anybody under I don't know, forty five or something.

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Speaker 5: They seem to go very soft time they get somebody

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Speaker 5: of a tender age in there. But these are serious

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Speaker 5: crimes we're talking about, and frightening crimes in the use

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Speaker 5: of violence. Home invasion is a horrible thing to experience,

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Speaker 5: whether or not violence is used, and so is carjacking.

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Speaker 5: It's a very intrusive way to behave and we don't

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Speaker 5: want these fourteen year olds on the road by the way,

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Speaker 5: I don't know, possibly going to a fourteen in Victoria,

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Speaker 5: but of course not, none of these kids can actually drive.

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Speaker 5: So yes, we need laws that keep these kids in jail,

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Speaker 5: keep them in jail, and take away this presumption there

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Speaker 5: is for bail as well, because you know you're not

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Speaker 5: guilty because you've been arrested, but it's probably a good

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Speaker 5: chance you are, right, So you want to reduce the

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Speaker 5: amount of crime, take criminals off the street.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's the just the repeated bail applications that are granted.

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Speaker 2: You have people just.

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Speaker 3: Getting out on bail, getting arrested, being before the courts,

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Speaker 3: getting bail again, and it's just a sorry cycle. This

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Speaker 3: is a big departure for the Victorian government. It wasn't

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Speaker 3: too long ago they were talking about raising the age

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Speaker 3: of criminal responsibility. Now they're introducing these harsh penalties for

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Speaker 2: Laws are far broader.

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Speaker 3: The list of offenses there is far broader than what

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Speaker 3: Victoria has, so I think that may have to tweak

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Speaker 3: it further. Now to a controversial native title claim made

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Speaker 3: by Victoria's we're injury people covering thousands of square kilometers

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Speaker 3: of land across Melbourne and surrounds. Let's hear from one

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Speaker 3: of the eleven applicants involved in this claim. This is

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Speaker 3: war in juryman, Darcy Cohen Hunter. Why did you decide

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Speaker 3: to launch this claim?

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Speaker 5: Why is it extremely important to you and your people?

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Speaker 6: I guess it's something that's been happening a long time

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Speaker 6: in the making for generations, and it's important to us

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Speaker 6: that we have been caring for for generations. And obviously

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Speaker 6: this is incredibly proud moment for our mob. And yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's about that recognition and the formal recognition, that is,

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Speaker 6: and being able to practice our culture and have to

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Speaker 3: Nick Victoria has a permanent Indigenous voice, state based voice

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Speaker 3: and treaty. We shouldn't be surprised that we've got cases

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Speaker 3: like this happening. And it's not just this particular claim.

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Speaker 2: There is six others before the courts.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's right, you called him a Warren jury man.

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Speaker 5: I think reason I think you've forgot the correct term

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Speaker 5: is a proud Warren jury man. We always have to

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Speaker 5: say proud. I'd like to said it comes before a fall.

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Speaker 5: But with Victoria here, Yeah, we're dealing with Victoria here,

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Speaker 5: and this will be taken seriously. It's probably a very

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Speaker 5: good chance they'll get their claim. They'll be able to

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Speaker 5: decide what you do with your parks, your recreational spaces,

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Speaker 5: the government. Then they get to say they essentially get

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Speaker 5: a land grab on this. It's completely against the spirit

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Speaker 5: of the referendum. Last year we had land legislation, land

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Speaker 5: rights legislation, which gives Aboriginal people Inferi at least control

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Speaker 5: of more than half the land mass of Australia. They

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Speaker 5: don't of course get it because it goes into the

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Speaker 5: hands of land councils and individual Aboriginal people are not

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Speaker 5: allowed to buy a plot of land to build a

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Speaker 5: house if that's what they want to do. Because we

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Speaker 5: have this strange idea that socialism is what provails in

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Speaker 5: central Australia. But you know, where does it stop? I

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Speaker 5: think that's the point most Australians will be asking. And

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Speaker 5: one of the reasons the voice was defeated. One of

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Speaker 5: the many reasons the voice was defeated with people just said, well,

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Speaker 5: when does it stop? When do we reach reconciliation? When

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Speaker 5: do these people turn around and say that's enough, You've

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Speaker 5: done everything you can possibly do. We're happy now. Never,

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Speaker 5: because this is activism.

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Speaker 2: No, I think never is right there now.

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Speaker 3: Monash University students have complained at their degrees exude whiteness.

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Speaker 3: This is in a Monash Student Association survey of five

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Speaker 2: The Student Union's Racism.

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Speaker 3: And Diversity Report claims the university demonstrates and I quote

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Speaker 3: here clear favoritism towards white students and racism because lecturers

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Speaker 3: ask students to please speak.

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Speaker 2: English and it has.

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Speaker 3: Demanded the university undertake an immediate and comprehensive review of

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Speaker 3: its curriculum across all faculties to identify and dismantle Eurocentric

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Speaker 3: exclusionary practices. Nick, I'm not exactly sure what language other

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Speaker 3: than English is acceptable at an Australian university.

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Speaker 5: Well, we're in jury, I suppose in Melbourne. I don't know,

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Speaker 5: you know better than I do. Look, this is absurd.

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Speaker 5: Is the language of the country. We're doing people a

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Speaker 5: it very well, particularly if they're studying, you know, higher education.

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Speaker 5: You've got to have a bit of a brain on

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Speaker 5: able to study any course in Australian university without speaking English.

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Speaker 5: The idea that English is somehow whiteness, you know. I

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Speaker 5: mean this will cover as a lot of surprise to

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Speaker 5: many of my Indian friends, who speak much better English

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Speaker 5: And I noticed that in another response, it was rather

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Speaker 5: mixed response from students another group. Another student said, well, look,

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Speaker 5: I go to class and everybody speaks Chinese, and when

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Speaker 5: I asked to speak English, everybody tells me I'm being racist.

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Speaker 5: You know, we have to have the It's challenging to

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Speaker 5: have so many overseas students, but they should come here

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Speaker 5: and speak English. We are doing them a great favor

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Speaker 5: if they speak the language, which is the common language

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Speaker 5: in most of the world. We're giving them a great

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Speaker 3: Well, we know why, the motivations for why some of

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Speaker 3: them do their degrees here. But you would think the

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Speaker 3: Australia if you're an overseas students, like you said, one

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Speaker 3: of the benefits is that you improve your English and

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Speaker 3: you become fluent. Nikita, thank you so much for your

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Speaker 2: Joining me now.

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Speaker 3: Is the author of groundbreaking works, international best sellers, including

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Speaker 3: The Strange Death of Europe, The Madness of Crowds, The

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Speaker 3: War on the West, and his latest on democracies and

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Speaker 3: death cult. Douglas Murray let's get into the BBC the

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Speaker 3: Trump scandal. It's not isolated, it's not a simple misjudgment.

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Speaker 3: But there are plenty in the UK, including journalists and

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Speaker 3: editor Kevin McGuire who claim otherwise.

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Speaker 7: Now, I am no defender of Trump, but I'm no

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Speaker 7: defender of the li lousey bent journalism either, And I'm

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Speaker 7: sorry that Panorama documentary was lousy.

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Speaker 5: Ben Trump was.

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Speaker 7: A defender of the Proud Boys and white supremacistologized in

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Speaker 7: the fact you you were taking right, you were taking

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Speaker 7: a twelve to fifteen second clip in a full, full program,

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Speaker 7: I'm not aware of any big public complaints about about it.

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Speaker 2: Douglas, what's your response to that.

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Speaker 8: Well, Kevin McGuire in the UK is quite well known

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Speaker 8: as a sort of left wing blow hard, and what

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Speaker 8: he said there just adds insult injury. There really is

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Speaker 8: no defending what the BBC has been caught doing.

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Speaker 1: What McGuire does.

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Speaker 8: There is add to that offense by claiming that throwing

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Speaker 8: out are they completely untrue smears against President Trump, like

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Speaker 8: him supporting white supremacists. I mean, that's just the that's

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Speaker 8: the very fine people hoax. But no, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 8: he and other activists like him will you know, will keep.

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Speaker 1: Spreading their untruths.

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Speaker 8: But the fact is is that the BBC has been

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Speaker 8: caught out in a set of really really disgraceful lies.

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Speaker 8: The most prominent one is this to do with editing

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Speaker 8: President Trump's speech on January the sixth, to suggest that

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Speaker 8: he said that he would that the protesters has gathered

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Speaker 8: together should engage in violence by fighting and of course

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Speaker 8: all the terrible things that did go on that day.

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Speaker 1: That was not what the.

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Speaker 8: President said in his remarks, and Panoramas simply spliced two

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Speaker 8: quotes together that that gave a very clear impression that

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Speaker 8: President Trump was indeed urging go and fight.

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Speaker 1: But that's not the only thing.

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Speaker 8: This is such a huge download of errors by the

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Speaker 8: BBC that there are other things that have got lost

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Speaker 8: in it. One of them is the BBC's proven serial

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Speaker 8: lies about Israel during the Israel hamas more unbelievable way

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Speaker 8: in which BBC Arabic, which frankly should just be canned.

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Speaker 1: It should be shuttered.

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Speaker 8: The BBC has no control over it, just welcomes all

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Speaker 8: these terrorist supporters all the time and gives their anti

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Speaker 8: Israel views. And then of course there's the stuff on

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Speaker 8: the trams issue as well.

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Speaker 5: This is a.

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Speaker 8: Really disgraceful moment for the BBC, and it's even more

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Speaker 8: disgraceful that anyone would try to hide it.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you're one hundred percent right there. The BBC's

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Speaker 3: institutional bias goes well beyond Donald Trump, goes beyond Nigel

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Speaker 3: Farage and the courage of the middle age. Even a

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Speaker 3: just how lost the BBC is.

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Speaker 2: Watch some of the nonsense they ed.

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Speaker 8: The BBC until it is a safe space for conservative

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Speaker 8: How many non left wing liberals are in the BBC.

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Speaker 11: Transgender woman's milk is just as good for babies as

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Speaker 2: Well, there you go, Douglas.

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Speaker 3: Now, before you go, Remembrance Day was a yesterday and

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Speaker 11: What does Remembrance Sunday mean for you?

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Speaker 12: My message is I can share in my mind's I

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Speaker 2: No, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: That's just so terribly sad, Douglas, that someone who sacrificed

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Speaker 1: It was heartbreaking Rita seeing that.

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Speaker 3: It's heartbreaking that he was talking also about a little

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, I mean, unfortunately, the British people now live in

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Speaker 1: Britain in the nineteen eties from all parties.

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Speaker 8: By the way, consider an Actlye or a Churchill against

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Speaker 8: what we have today. And yes, it's a very sad

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Speaker 8: fall off. I'm deeply sad and when I saw that interview,

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Speaker 8: but I hope that people watching it who have the

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Speaker 8: same response we have are reminded by it that actually

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Speaker 8: we have a great inheritance we need to sustain and

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Speaker 8: not to just continue wrecking.

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Speaker 2: Douglas Murray, thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Still to come.

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Speaker 3: Left is Losing It plus the latest controversy in broiling

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Speaker 3: the ABC.

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Speaker 2: Jack Houghton joins me, next welcome back. We'll be diving

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Speaker 2: into Lefties Losing.

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Speaker 3: It soon, but first, the ABC is ignoring calls for

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Speaker 3: an investigation into a Four Corners episode in twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: one which.

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Speaker 2: EDA doctored a misleading.

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Speaker 3: Edit of Donald Trump's January sixth beach. It follows the

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Speaker 3: resignation of the BBC's Director General Tim Davey and head

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Speaker 3: of News Deborah Turnez for airing similarly doctored footage. This morning,

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Speaker 3: an ABC spokesperson told the Australian newspaper that it would

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Speaker 3: not be reviewing the Four Corners episode in question because

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Speaker 3: the public Broadcaster's Umbertsman's.

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Speaker 2: Office didn't exist at the time.

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Speaker 3: Joining me now is Sky News Digital editor Jack Houghton.

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Speaker 3: Jack the ABC also claimed that the quoting question from

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Speaker 3: President Trump was used accurately by the ABC, did not

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Speaker 3: change the meaning of that section of the speech, and

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Speaker 3: it did not mislead the audience.

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Speaker 2: Is that accurate?

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Speaker 13: Well, if it didn't change the meaning, then why did

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Speaker 13: the editors feel the need to cut out key parts

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Speaker 13: of the speech which, for the record, for all the viewers,

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Speaker 13: the parts that they cut out were Donald Trump saying,

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Speaker 13: let's go down there to cheer on the politicians, So

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Speaker 13: they take that part out and then they segue straight

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Speaker 13: to do you have to fight for your country? And

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Speaker 13: it conveyed it cannoted a meaning that there was this

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Speaker 13: aggressive push by Donald Trump encouraging violence. Now, they can't

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Speaker 13: possibly tell us whether or not that changes the meaning, because,

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Speaker 13: as you point out, reader, they are refusing to even investigate.

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Speaker 13: And that is the most extraordinary thing about this, the

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Speaker 13: pathetic attempt by the ABC repeatedly whenever they're called into

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Speaker 13: question to obsvacate to say that they've never done anything

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Speaker 13: wrong and in this situation not investigate because the error

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Speaker 13: isn't contemporaneous. I guess that's where they're going with it.

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Speaker 13: But reader, as you know, nothing prevents them from going

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Speaker 13: and looking back from content five years ago, ten years ago.

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Speaker 13: If the on Budsman's powers, if their remit is so

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Speaker 13: narrow that they can only look at things that happened

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Speaker 13: during the time that it was set up, I think

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Speaker 13: that Australians deserve to know. If that's what the ABC

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Speaker 13: is actually saying, that everything that predates the on Budsman, well,

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Speaker 13: that's fair game. We won't even look into it.

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Speaker 3: And what about that three part Four Corners report that

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Speaker 3: they had pushing Trump Russia conspiracy theories? They called it,

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Speaker 3: and I quote here the story of the century, the

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Speaker 3: election of US President Donald Trump and his ties to Russia.

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Speaker 3: Have we had any sort of correction, any update when

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Speaker 3: some of those conspiracy theories were comprehensively debunked.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, Well, the allegation that was put forward by Four

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Speaker 13: Corners was very simply and very specifically that Donald Trump

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Speaker 13: colluded with Vladimir Putin to steal the election. It was

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Speaker 13: the original election denial claim that was surfaced by the media,

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Speaker 13: and you paid for it. And these people have never

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Speaker 13: sought the correct to the record. We now know that

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Speaker 13: the Komi and all the documents and the entire push

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Speaker 13: to the American people to try and establish that this

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Speaker 13: actually happened, we now know that it's completely bogus. There

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Speaker 13: is no ever And of course Russia tries to influence

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Speaker 13: every single election. They probably try and influence Australian election.

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Speaker 13: But the specific narrative was that Donald Trump knowingly worked

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Speaker 13: with the hand in Glove to attempt to steal an election.

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Speaker 13: It was the biggest denial of democracy. There was no

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Speaker 13: evidence for it other than these very strong allegations and

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Speaker 13: for a story of the century. The ANBC seems to

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Speaker 13: have gone very quiet on it.

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Speaker 3: They did, but I think they spent plenty of money

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Speaker 3: putting that three part series together. I mean Hillary Clinton's

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Speaker 3: campaign office could have put that together for them, probably

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Speaker 3: a lot cheaper, could have been less biased as well. Now,

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Speaker 3: in addition to the Trump edit, the ABC was also

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Speaker 3: caught out for altering a photograph of Senator Jane Hume

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Speaker 3: holding a front page It's the Australian newspapers.

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Speaker 2: It was holding this up in Parliament.

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Speaker 3: The network initially tried to justify the edit as satire,

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Speaker 3: but later conceded the montage was.

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Speaker 2: Misleading and inaccurate.

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Speaker 3: Liberal Senator Sarah Henderson has called for a formal Senate

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Speaker 3: inquiry into the ABC, as she argued the national broadcaster

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Speaker 3: has repeatedly failed to uphold its legal requirement to report

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Speaker 3: news impartially and accurately.

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Speaker 2: Jack, And that's the point.

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Speaker 3: They have a charter to fulfill that our taxpayer funded

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Speaker 3: They're different to every other media organization. They seem to

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Speaker 3: ignore that charter each and every single day.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, well, exactly that the charter is irrelevant if the

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Speaker 13: on Budsman just refuses to look at things. And I

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Speaker 13: also want to make the point satirical content produced by

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Speaker 13: the ABC in a supposed news program, if that is

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Speaker 13: the excuse, it's really convenient how the satire always seems

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Speaker 13: to be against conservatives. And there is something that's a

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Speaker 13: little bit more insidious about this story, because yes, they

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Speaker 13: have shamelessly docted the photo of the Australian to put

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Speaker 13: the Coalition MPs there, but the functional purpose for putting

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Speaker 13: them there was to make fun of them for having

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Speaker 13: the policy debate about net zero, So some dopey producer

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Speaker 13: at the ABC, and I do think that's what this was,

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Speaker 13: because David Spears throws to this grab, and he throws

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Speaker 13: to this package with a straight face. So for them

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Speaker 13: to say that this was satire, I genuinely think he

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Speaker 13: had no idea they were going to do this and

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Speaker 13: would have been just as shocked as anybody now and

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Speaker 13: now seeing some of this coverage. But it goes to

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Speaker 13: this package with this goofy music and this voice over

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Speaker 13: saying that the Coalition just keeps trying to make the

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Speaker 13: story about themselves. It was an effort to mock the coalition,

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Speaker 13: and based on the people that I'm talking to in

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Speaker 13: the coalition, this is kind of like a straw that

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Speaker 13: broke the camel's back situation. It's so plain to see

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Speaker 13: the bias that the ABC has against anybody that's in

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Speaker 13: the Coalition that they're now feeling a little bit more

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Speaker 13: comfortable to call for things such as a Senate inquiry,

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Speaker 13: because I think that a lot of these senators are

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Speaker 13: feeling we have no choice. There is a billion dollar

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Speaker 13: a year organization which is actively working against us, and

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Speaker 13: when you have a responsibility over this course.

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Speaker 2: Jack.

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Speaker 3: That has worked against the Coalition for years, and whilst

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Speaker 3: in power, they do.

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Speaker 2: Nothing about it.

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Speaker 3: You know what, I've got limited sympathy for the Coalition

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Speaker 3: because when they have the opportunity to do something, they fail.

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Speaker 14: It's fair jack outon.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 13: Thanks reader.

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Speaker 3: Now it's time for lefties losing it and there's apparently

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Speaker 3: another wicked movie and that means more mindless musings from

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Speaker 3: Ariana Grande and Cynthia Arrivo.

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Speaker 14: Do you have a message for the clear fans who

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Speaker 14: are watching this?

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Speaker 2: We love you, we love you, we love you, we

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Speaker 2: love you, we love you, we love you and aunts.

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Speaker 15: It's always been a place, a same place for every

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Speaker 15: different color of barenbo where everybody? Can you read the

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Speaker 15: al Frank bomb books. It's the truth you're saying on us.

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Speaker 15: We love you so much, the gay or the matter.

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Speaker 14: Do you have a message for the gumky starts?

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Speaker 2: Oh, we love you too, We love you too. Where

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Speaker 2: is that camera? Great?

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Speaker 3: Now we have another mostly peaceful moment. You remember the

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Speaker 3: original during the BLM riots. That was some of CNN's

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Speaker 3: worst work, and CBS wants to emulate that fake news

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Speaker 3: by this report characterizing a violent Antifa riot at Berkeley,

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Speaker 3: as you guest did, mostly peaceful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, things have.

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Speaker 16: Been lively here will that Turning Point USA event is

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Speaker 16: still happening inside. Protesters have been out here for hours.

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Speaker 16: You can see them still here behind me. They have

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Speaker 16: been chanting. Just a very very lively scene out here.

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Speaker 16: While things have been mostly peaceful, there have been some

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Speaker 16: tense moments. Earlier this evening there was a scuffle that

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Speaker 16: broke out where two men started fighting. You see, Berkeley

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Speaker 16: police had to break up that interaction. Later, someone was

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Speaker 16: throwing smoke bombs.

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Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? Just smoke bombs? Really?

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Speaker 3: And oh yeah, the violent Antifa thugs attacking people attending

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Speaker 3: a Turning Point USA event that's characterized as mostly peaceful,

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Speaker 3: even as attendees are abused, threatened.

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Speaker 2: And bashed.

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Speaker 3: As for her claim that just two men were fighting,

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Speaker 3: well that was wrong too. One man, a lefty called

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Speaker 3: g had allegedly attacked the victim who was left blooded.

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Speaker 3: And I say allegedly because he's already been arrested and

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Speaker 3: charged with assault. And of course CBS were keen to

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Speaker 3: platform another lefty losing it. A woman with a septum

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Speaker 3: ring who can't tolerate people with views that differ from

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Speaker 3: her warped view of the world.

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Speaker 4: Turning point, unsay should not be here, and they are

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Speaker 4: like a fascist organization, and nobody here agrees with what

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Speaker 4: they are saying. And obviously Charlie Kirk has been a

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Speaker 4: big issue with like a lot of college campuses and

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Speaker 4: people on college campuses, so we just think, like, I mean,

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Speaker 4: obviously I didn't really follow him a lot, but knowing

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Speaker 4: what he did and knowing the things that he was saying,

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Speaker 4: it's just like vile and disgusting. So we don't want

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Speaker 4: to support his organization. And I don't think that the

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Speaker 4: Berkeley chancellors should have let them come.

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Speaker 3: Here now to allege comic Chelsea Handler, and I say

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Speaker 3: alleged because she ain't funny, but she is indulging in

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Speaker 3: cancel culture by encouraging people to boycott an ever increasing

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Speaker 3: list of companies.

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Speaker 17: Every Saturday, they're listing ten new companies to boycott, and

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Speaker 17: they're giving you background reasons what they're affiliated with, who

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Speaker 17: they give their money to, and who is profiting off

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Speaker 17: of things like ice, profiting off of ice detention centers

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Speaker 17: and all that stuff.

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Speaker 14: But so like I'm feeling a lot of momentum.

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Speaker 17: I'm feeling really really supercharged and happy and powerful and hopeful.

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Speaker 17: I feel hopeful again.

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Speaker 2: She feels hopeful again.

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Speaker 3: You know, I kind of feel a little sorry for her,

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Speaker 3: so I won't say what I was gonna say. But

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Speaker 3: thinking it, let's see now from John Stewart, who doesn't

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Speaker 3: feel hopeful at all. He is distraught because his beloved

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Speaker 3: Democrats folded just like his beloved giants.

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Speaker 5: Not only did the Democrats and giants lose in the

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Speaker 5: same I can't believe it manner, They sound the same

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Speaker 5: doing it.

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Speaker 7: It's natural and appropriate to feel deep disappointment.

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Speaker 18: Disappointing, disappointing outcome.

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Speaker 5: It was not the result many of us want.

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Speaker 18: I want to get the results that you hope for

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Speaker 18: and came up short.

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Speaker 2: It never feels good to come up short.

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Speaker 18: We came up short, and that was a tough one.

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Speaker 2: You learn and you prepare to do better in the future.

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Speaker 18: You're always learning and trying to be better. Well, not

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Speaker 18: enough whence not enough?

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Speaker 8: Onenes, we will win, we will win, we w.

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Speaker 18: We won't rest, we won't rest.

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Speaker 3: Still to come what statement has been Shapiro, coming under

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Speaker 3: fire from friends and foes, c J.

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Speaker 10: Pearson has the details.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back now, America.

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Speaker 3: And indeed, the world dodged a bullet, an incoherent, incompetent bullet,

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Speaker 3: when Kamala Harris failed to buy her way into the presidency. Remember,

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Speaker 3: she outspent the Trump campaign by an enormous margin, and

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Speaker 3: despite losing in spectacular fashion, she seems to think she

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Speaker 3: outsmarted President Trump. She was playing three dimensional chess.

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Speaker 19: And I wasn't about to fall pre or fall into

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Speaker 19: those traps. And part of his strategy and those around him,

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Speaker 19: was to try and take me off.

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Speaker 2: Our game and message.

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Speaker 19: And I wasn't about to be distracted by those little

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Speaker 19: those flames that he was trying to throw to get

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Speaker 19: me away from one of my highest priority, which is

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Speaker 19: talking to people about the economy and their wellbeing in

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Speaker 19: terms of their financial wellbeing.

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Speaker 5: And that's so I was.

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Speaker 19: I understood the game that was being playing, and I

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Speaker 19: made a decision that I wasn't going to get played

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Speaker 19: and checkers done. Just yeah, three dimensional chess, I'm telling you.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: She lost by a huge margin.

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Speaker 3: She lost every swing state, she lost the popular vote,

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Speaker 3: and she lost the electoral College. What three dimensional chess

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Speaker 3: was She exactly playing. Joining me now is political advisor

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Speaker 3: and commentator c J.

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Speaker 2: Pearson.

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Speaker 14: C J.

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Speaker 3: What is Kamala talking about?

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Speaker 20: I don't think Kamala knows what she's talking about in

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Speaker 20: this case, right, And she was played three dimensional chess.

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Speaker 20: She was very bad at it, almost as bad as

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Speaker 20: being a politician.

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Speaker 14: So either way, she's.

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Speaker 20: Knocking at this chess thing, not at this politics thing.

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Speaker 20: Is Kyle Harris good in anything? I'm struggling to answer

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Speaker 20: that question.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 3: I'm interested in your take on the growing conflict within

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Speaker 3: conservative ranks.

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Speaker 2: There's two sides battling it out.

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Speaker 3: Ben Shapiro's on one side, Tucker Carlson on the other.

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Speaker 3: And I want to play you a clip that has

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Speaker 3: gone viral in the past twenty four hours.

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Speaker 2: It's Ben Shapiro.

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Speaker 3: He's talking about housing and affordability.

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Speaker 2: Let's have a listen first.

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Speaker 21: If you're a young person and you can't afford to

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Speaker 21: live here, then maybe you should not live here.

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Speaker 18: I mean, that is a real thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 21: I know that we've now grown up in a society

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Speaker 21: that says that you deserve to live where you grew up.

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Speaker 21: But the reality is that the history of America is

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Speaker 21: almost literally the opposite of that. The history of America

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Speaker 21: is you go to a place where there is opportunity,

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Speaker 21: and if the opportunities are limited here and they're not changing,

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Speaker 21: then you really should try to think about other places

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Speaker 21: where you have better opportunities.

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Speaker 8: Ce J.

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Speaker 3: Ben Shapiro is copying significant criticism for that.

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Speaker 2: Is that unfair?

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Speaker 3: There's an argument that that brand of conservatism is going

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Speaker 3: to alienate young voters and voters who feel like they

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Speaker 3: can't really get into the housing market, that it's the

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Speaker 3: privileges their parents had is not available to them.

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Speaker 20: No, you're exactly right, and I think that type of

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Speaker 20: just pessimism is not what's going to be what wins

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Speaker 20: over the hearts and minds of young people and brings

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Speaker 20: them over to our side. The American dream should be

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Speaker 20: attainable if you are an American. Right, there are people

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Speaker 20: that are trying to give the American dream to folks

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Speaker 20: who are even American citizens. And so, of course you

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Speaker 20: know young people in this country who are American who

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Speaker 20: want to own a home. We've seen many studies where

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Speaker 20: ninety percent of gen Z says they will wish to

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Speaker 20: one day own a home, but fear they never will

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Speaker 20: be able to that type of numerism is not going

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Speaker 20: to be what brings them over to our side, And

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Speaker 20: so I would say that I completely disagree with Ben

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Speaker 20: on that, and I would ask where he would want

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Speaker 20: them to move or we sposed to lose our best

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Speaker 20: and writers to Costa Rica or some type of third

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Speaker 20: world country where maybe there will be millionaires.

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Speaker 14: I don't really know what the solution to what he

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Speaker 14: was proposing actually is or what that would.

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Speaker 1: Even look like.

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Speaker 3: So now I think I would hope it was suggesting

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Speaker 3: that perhaps move to more affordable parts of America as

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Speaker 3: opposed to some of the big cities where affordability is

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Speaker 3: such a problem. But it is interesting, isn't it that

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Speaker 3: that sort of sentiment can be seen as just lacking

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Speaker 3: in compassion and young people feeling like they've done the

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Speaker 3: right things. They've gone to university, they've got this massive

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Speaker 3: college debt, they're trying to work, and they're not getting ahead,

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Speaker 3: they're falling further behind. And I think that's something that well,

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Speaker 3: all sides of the political spectrum need to think about now.

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Speaker 3: The left like to portray themselves as kind, compassionate, open

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Speaker 3: minded when they're nothing of the sort. And that's something

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Speaker 3: actress Cheryl Hines has discovered first had here she is

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Speaker 3: chatting with Bill Maher.

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Speaker 22: The Republicans have been very keen to me from the beginning,

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Speaker 22: even from the beginning when when Bobby was running as

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Speaker 22: a Democrat, they were they were, They weren't mean no,

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Speaker 22: and they never have been no.

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Speaker 2: And I can't see that for the Democrats.

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Speaker 8: I agree, and it's it's sad because it's not the

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Speaker 8: Democrats we grew up with.

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Speaker 3: Of course, actress Cheryl Hines, married to RFK Junior CJ.

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Speaker 3: Bill Maher still votes Democratic campaigns against Republicans, but even

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Speaker 3: he acknowledges that the left has changed just during his lifetime.

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Speaker 3: There's been a fairly dramatic change.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, these may not be the Democrats they grew up with,

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Speaker 20: but these are the Democrats have today. The Democrats who

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Speaker 20: completely hate free speech. We saw it just yesterday at

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Speaker 20: the Turning Point USA event that happened at UC Berkeley,

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Speaker 20: where they through firebombs and sought to assault attendees of

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Speaker 20: the event. And this is the so called, you know,

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Speaker 20: political party of supposed to tolerance. These people absolutely hate dissent,

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Speaker 20: they hate different ideas, they hate you know, half of

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Speaker 20: America unfortunately, like that is where we are right now,

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Speaker 20: and I think Cheryl Hines is completely right. What I

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Speaker 20: hope is that you know, those classical liberals, those old

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Speaker 20: school Democrats, realize that there is no home for them.

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Speaker 14: In the modern Democrat Party.

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Speaker 20: I hope that they, you know, find themselves, you know,

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Speaker 20: looking at other options.

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Speaker 14: You know, Bill Maher is someone.

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Speaker 20: That you know, I feel like sometimes we give him

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Speaker 20: a little bit too much credit because I think that

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Speaker 20: he knows that that reality is true, that there is

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Speaker 20: no home for him in the modern Democrat Party.

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Speaker 14: But still he hasn't found his way, you know, outside

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Speaker 14: of it quite yet.

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Speaker 20: But I'll hold out hope for him and hopefully he'll

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Speaker 20: he'll make the jump one day.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's come a long way.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've played clips of him going on insane

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Speaker 3: rants and teds afflicted rants.

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Speaker 2: And he doesn't do that anymore.

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Speaker 3: He made all sorts of doomsday predictions if Trump won,

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Speaker 3: that you know, everyone's free speech was going to be takeaway,

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Speaker 3: he was going to be ripped off air.

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Speaker 2: He would never give up power.

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Speaker 3: He's moderated somewhat, So there's hope for him. Let's just

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Speaker 3: see if he's fully cured of his TDS, but during

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Speaker 3: that chat, they also talked about mccarthy'sm modern day McCarthyism,

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Speaker 3: a real variety that exists, undoubtedly where if you're in

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Speaker 3: an entertainment well, particularly Hollywood, and you are not a leftist,

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Speaker 3: then it is going to impact your career. It doesn't

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Speaker 3: matter how popular you are.

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Speaker 2: How good you are at your job.

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Speaker 3: You're probably not going to get the roles that you

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Speaker 3: would get. Perhaps you won't get any roles at all,

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Speaker 3: and you would be blacklisted.

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Speaker 10: You do.

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Speaker 20: I think you're exactly right. You know, the cancel culture

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Speaker 20: that has defined the left is very much alive and

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Speaker 20: well in Hollywood. But what I'll you know, give them

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Speaker 20: kind of credit for now with the rise of the

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Speaker 20: Sydney Swings that you kind of realize that people are

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Speaker 20: over this entire uh, you know, being lectured by a

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Speaker 20: bunch of Hollywood celebrities who are completely and grossly out

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Speaker 20: of touch with the day to day problems of everyday Americans.

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Speaker 14: And I think that's exactly why.

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Speaker 20: You know, all of Hollywood may have rallied around Kamlalin Harris,

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Speaker 20: may have rallied around Joe Biden and Barack Obama, but

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Speaker 20: the American people rejected those individuals, and they're pleased to

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Speaker 20: you know, fall in line in all of those things.

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Speaker 14: And so people are over canceled culture, They're over being

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Speaker 14: told how to think and what to think.

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Speaker 20: Why Because this is the United States of America, and

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Speaker 20: I think courage is contagious. So when you see you know,

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Speaker 20: celebrities like Shechryl Hines now who are starting to ask

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Speaker 20: those questions. Even Bill Maher, you know, starting to you know,

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Speaker 20: ask questions he previously, you know, would never have thought

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Speaker 20: to ask or make criticisms of his own side that

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Speaker 20: we have never thought to have made. I think it

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Speaker 20: leads to a lot of other people in Hollywood saying

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Speaker 20: why can't I ask those same questions as well.

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Speaker 3: Now I want to play you some footage from the

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Speaker 3: New York City subway.

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Speaker 2: Watch how this.

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Speaker 3: Woman is threatened, pushed around, and how nobody intervenes.

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Speaker 1: Talking about.

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Speaker 18: Talking about.

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Speaker 1: This talking c J.

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Speaker 3: In my mind, that's a failure in masculinity. What happened

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Speaker 3: to good Samaritans, What happened to chivalry?

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Speaker 2: What happened to protecting women?

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Speaker 5: Exactly right?

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Speaker 20: You know, it's a failure of masculinity. But it's also

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Speaker 20: the spread of cowardice. But you know, why does that

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Speaker 20: cowardice maybe exist, Maybe because it's the folks like Daniel

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Speaker 20: Penny who would have seen something.

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Speaker 14: Like that sprung into actor and then in.

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Speaker 20: A city like New York would not have been treated

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Speaker 20: like the hero that he is, would not have been

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Speaker 20: commended for sainting up for someone that's weaker than him,

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Speaker 20: smaller than him, but would have been thrown in jail

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Speaker 20: and risk the ability of ever making a livelihood ever again.

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Speaker 5: And so it's.

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Speaker 20: Unfortunate that, you know, I think people have to think

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Speaker 20: and double think about those things. I think we also

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Speaker 20: just right the rise of the occasion stone and say no,

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Speaker 20: we're just not going to let that happen. But I

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Speaker 20: think that we're seeing exactly the type of reaction that

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Speaker 20: the conditions of New York City and their law enforcement

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Speaker 20: have created.

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Speaker 14: And it's only going to get worse to mom, Donnie.

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Speaker 20: So if this is a foreshotow on what's to come,

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Speaker 20: I think that this is going to get a lot

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Speaker 20: worse from here.

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Speaker 5: C J.

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Speaker 3: Pearson, thank you so much for your time. And that's

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Speaker 3: it from May to up. Next it's Newsnight. I'll see

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Speaker 3: you at eleven tomorrow night