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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Pits Talk podcast, brought to you by

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Speaker 1: Shannon's Insurance for your dose of all things F one

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Speaker 1: and Moto GP. Okay, Mick Dolan, welcome to Fox Sports.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me.

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Speaker 2: Absolute pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Now we're catching up with you ahead of the event

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Speaker 1: that you're doing with a Jacob Roston and Sydney this weekend.

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Speaker 1: And I love the title the Master and the Apprentice.

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Speaker 1: It's so fitting. But I wanted to talk to you

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Speaker 1: about what excites you about helping support the next generation

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Speaker 1: of Australian writers coming through.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's easy. Really, we need to have continued flow

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Speaker 3: race here and to to just just keep people on

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Speaker 3: the track. And you know Jacobs, he's a talented young guy.

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Speaker 3: We've known each other now for a little while and

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Speaker 3: in his early years in Europe sort of helped him

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Speaker 3: out a little bit now, so just if I can

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Speaker 3: support him to get back there a little bit quicker

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Speaker 3: than he's planned to, then it's all the better for him,

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Speaker 3: but also inspires the next group of young guys coming

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Speaker 2: So if I can help, it's easy when.

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Speaker 1: You look at Jacob's career, does it remind you of

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Speaker 1: your own when you were that age starting and chasing

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Speaker 1: that dream.

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Speaker 3: It's completely different now than what it was many many

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Speaker 2: It's much more well.

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Speaker 3: I don't know whether it's more difficult, but the opportunities

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Speaker 2: One, it's a lot more expensive.

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Speaker 3: The manufacturers don't pick you up at such an early

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Speaker 3: ages as they did back in in the eighties when

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Speaker 3: I was that's sort of his age running around doing

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Speaker 3: these type of things. I was racing in Japan and

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Speaker 3: then the Japanese manufacturers would pick you up, take you

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Speaker 3: to Europe and next minute. So I was expedited really

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Speaker 3: then then the whole platform changed and it's really moving,

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Speaker 3: the whole family moving to Europe, and pretty much Casey

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Speaker 3: Barry Sheen.

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Speaker 3: Because I was helping out with the sport at that time,

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Speaker 3: an advisor for Donner, and they were looking for the

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Speaker 3: they'd been you know, Wayne Gardener, Kevin McGee, Darryl beat Y,

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Speaker 3: what we're just talking about to keep to keep it going,

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Speaker 2: The Australian riders right there.

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Speaker 3: But Casey was there they went and then and then

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Speaker 3: Junior Championship like Jacob's doing so and he made it through.

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Speaker 3: So it is possible, but it's a lot more work.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot more stepping stones to get through, and

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Speaker 3: the budget's massive, so you know, as in all motor

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Speaker 3: you to go through these different steps to take their

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Speaker 3: piece of the pie. But so it quite often it's

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Speaker 3: got more to do with the funding available and just

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Speaker 3: pure talent. You know, it's very rare in this day

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Speaker 3: and it still is possible, but it's very rare.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned there, you know, Barry Sheen and my brother

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Speaker 1: Chrispermullen Barry helped me. So I understand the connection and

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Speaker 1: we see that now with a lot of the Aussie

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Speaker 1: that we love because I feel like as Aussie's we

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Speaker 1: But do you think it's tougher now in this day

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Speaker 2: I think there's no other option.

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Speaker 3: And unfortunately for for a lot of people, there's plenty

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Speaker 2: And everything else. It's actually the competition side of it.

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Speaker 3: You've got a full team you've got to support, you've

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Speaker 3: from you know, in Australian dollars, you're pretty much your

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Speaker 2: But now, as I say, there's such.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy, isn't it, the whole MotoGP and all the

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Speaker 1: Spanish and the Italians. But I think we're lucky that

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Speaker 3: And I think that's exactly right, and that's why we

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Speaker 3: need somebody like Jacob Rolston to come through, because Jack's

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Speaker 2: But it's good to have an.

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Speaker 3: And you know, Jacob's doing a little bit on superbikes

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Speaker 2: The young the young guy is very, very talented. He

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Speaker 3: Support and and and just a little bit of a

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Speaker 3: Once once you're the chosen one, it makes it.

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Speaker 2: A lot easier.

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Speaker 1: I thinking back to last year some of Jacob's results

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Speaker 1: and you mentioned that, you know, he's not a young

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Speaker 2: Look, I think he clearly and this is just mine.

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Speaker 2: That's why I I think, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: In one he's you know, he's a good lad people

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Speaker 3: Yamaha now have him developing really what is a new

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Speaker 3: So you know, unfortunately, I believe that, you know, he's

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Speaker 1: I think we've got a strong Ossie's making their way

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Speaker 3: He's certainly capable of it, but it's just such a

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Speaker 1: Some of the best racing is something that we always

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you your opinion on the rule regulation,

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Speaker 1: you're known as the real racer with going back to

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Speaker 1: the eight fifties, the reduced era, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we're going to see a big change

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Speaker 2: So you know, the real racing is still there.

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Speaker 3: I know it's it's different, but it's still the same

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Speaker 3: qualifyings a lot closer and whatever else. But that was happening,

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Speaker 3: it has been happening for decades, and there's still one

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Speaker 1: Now we can't not talk about your Jack, your son Jack,

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Speaker 1: Well, we'd love to see him back on the grid

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Speaker 3: So look, it's you know, it's really all about Jacob

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Speaker 1: We love it. Oh, thank you so much, Met for

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