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Speaker 1: Approte production.

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Speaker 2: On the eleventh of August twenty twenty five, Eden Westbrook

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Speaker 2: would be twenty six years old. Would she have kids

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Speaker 2: out of Saint Helen's. Would she have fond memories of

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Speaker 2: her childhood growing up in that sleepy town on Tasmania's coast.

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Speaker 2: All these questions will never be answered because of the

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Speaker 2: tragedy that happened, the tragedy that Jason and Amanda Westbrook

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Speaker 2: are still trying to find a resolution to. It might

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Speaker 2: never be a definitive answer, but it might allow them

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Speaker 2: to finally lay Eden to rest.

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Speaker 1: Because I get choked up around these times.

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Speaker 3: At different times, I might wake up and I'm sobbing,

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Speaker 3: and I think I must have been dreaming about her.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to leave.

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Speaker 2: This year, like always, Jason and Amanda and their large

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Speaker 2: family will gather again to commemorate Egg's life.

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Speaker 4: Eleventh of August mate and we're all getting together as

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Speaker 4: a family up at Bobby Lee's again. Yeah, we always

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Speaker 4: seem to gather around her birthday.

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Speaker 3: It's not to cry and sobs, to be together and

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Speaker 3: remember and laugh about the funny things that she did

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Speaker 3: do because She had a really quirky sense of humor.

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Speaker 3: Anyone that had ever encountered her would know that she

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Speaker 3: was adorable, friendly kind.

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Speaker 4: She love food, so we make sure we have a

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Speaker 4: really nice meal on a birthday together as a family joke.

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Speaker 1: We don't really see happy birthday.

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Speaker 3: We did at the beginning, but as I said, that

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Speaker 3: was awkward, so we don't do that.

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Speaker 1: We just come together and you know, just cuddle really hey, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's good. Eden was a bloody good cook herself.

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Speaker 4: Actually she was doing cook him just before she passed,

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Speaker 4: and I remember she brought some things home from the

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Speaker 4: cooking classes and I said, you got to cook me that, sweetie.

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Speaker 3: You know, she was involved in the kitchen, so she

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Speaker 3: was always tasting something and whether it be a roast

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Speaker 3: or a stir fry or a pasta vah.

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Speaker 1: Yes, she always came in.

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Speaker 3: I'd always boot she loved yeah, and I'd crawl out

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Speaker 3: to them and say, He's generally.

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Speaker 4: Said I could. I don't never want to die. I

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Speaker 4: love food way too much. I'll never She're sitting at

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Speaker 4: the end of the bed saying that to me. One

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Speaker 4: day a couple of weeks fools, you died. I love food.

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Speaker 4: I never want to die because I love food way

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Speaker 4: too much.

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Speaker 2: I never thought I'd be so interested in political outcomes

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Speaker 2: of a state election in Tasmania, but the last few

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Speaker 2: months have really been all about politics. Just before all

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Speaker 2: of the political unrest in Tasmania, Jason and Amanda are

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Speaker 2: about to have a new bill passed which would have

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Speaker 2: allowed the families to cease loved ones to obtain complete files,

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Speaker 2: including autopsy photos and reports from the Tasmanian Corner's Court.

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Speaker 2: It's something that Jason and Amanda have been waiting for

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Speaker 2: for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're not too bad.

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Speaker 3: We sort of just bouncing off each other. There's not

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Speaker 3: much been getting done obviously politically because everyone's been asleep.

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Speaker 3: I'm well, sorry, not asleep. Another election and so on

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Speaker 3: and so forth. And I don't think they've even been

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Speaker 3: able to form government. But I don't know if you

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Speaker 3: remember when they did present the bill for the cron

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Speaker 1: There was no fight back.

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Speaker 3: From any other oppositions, and liberal all agreed that this

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Speaker 3: was a good idea. And you know, there were some

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Speaker 3: really good questions asked. Yes, it was all ago, as you.

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Speaker 4: Know, so given the delay, Ja I really do think

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Speaker 4: they should call it Eden's Law. Now it's been dragged

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Speaker 4: out for so bloody long, I've had time to consider it,

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Speaker 4: and I think Eden deserves that given the delay, procrastination,

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Speaker 2: I reckon, I've never been as interested in the Tasmanian

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Speaker 2: election as the one that's just happened. I guess let's

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Speaker 2: start with the first one, which was the federal election

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Speaker 2: in May. Jackie Lamby we were hoping would hold her seat,

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Speaker 2: and she did that by the skin of her teeth,

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Speaker 2: but still did it. I guess you were pleased about.

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Speaker 3: That absolutely, And you know I would have been wanting

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Speaker 3: I was just I believed in her all the way,

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Speaker 3: for that, just for the sake of Tasmania, not even

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Speaker 3: how much more can somebody.

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Speaker 1: Do as an individual? But yeah, she's still there today.

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Speaker 4: It was quite daunting waiting for the actual count. However,

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Speaker 4: let's be mindful. Jackie is a soldier, that was a soldier,

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Speaker 4: and she's physically tough. She's an expert in close combat.

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Speaker 4: He's a leader, she's mentally prepared for everything and anything.

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Speaker 4: She shows initiative, courage and teamwork. So mate, I backed

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Speaker 2: Then, obviously the bill was table in Parliament. We obviously

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Speaker 2: a state election and that's been neck and neck since then.

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Speaker 3: Right, Tazzi, People where Ireland state, we go by Ireland time.

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Speaker 3: We don't really like to have changes into bigger capacities.

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Speaker 3: So that is in the favor of the Liberal Party.

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Speaker 3: And you know, when I talk about being a political nerd,

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Speaker 3: it's really about the good fight. Whoever's fighting the good

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Speaker 3: fight for me, that's who it's been. Way back in

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Speaker 1: So at that time.

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Speaker 3: So she got in and we were invited to the

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Speaker 3: it was quite an event and it was really great

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Speaker 2: So Jeremy Rockcliffe remains the premiere of Tasmania, but his

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Speaker 2: Liberal government doesn't have the majority and they're operating as

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Speaker 2: a minority government. Do you think that changes anything for

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Speaker 3: Look, Guy has again assured us it will go through,

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Speaker 3: and like I said, the Greens, Labor, Liberal, Independent, we

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Speaker 1: Important and where that needs changing.

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Speaker 3: Everybody agreed, so that I don't see that either doesn't

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Speaker 3: matter who leads this state at this point, this bill

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Speaker 3: I alone.

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Speaker 1: As Eden's dad.

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Speaker 4: I respect what Guy's done I know he's been in

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Speaker 4: positions and meetings that he's been made uncomfortable. I reminded

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Speaker 4: her that he's the biggest lawyer in our state. I

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Speaker 4: and I know he hasn't and I know it's.

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Speaker 1: Been hard for him.

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Speaker 4: So I let him know that whatever the outcome, the

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Speaker 4: As Amanda said, we feel if they don't get in,

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Speaker 4: we feel whoever will, whoever does, will continue the fight

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Speaker 4: to get this bill amended and pass through legislation. So

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Speaker 4: we feel we have support from all of Tasmanian's and

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Speaker 4: that's where I'm standing at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Jade.

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Speaker 3: It has gone a little quiet, but again, there's nothing

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Speaker 3: for these people to do. Really, all the work has

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Speaker 3: we've got the autopsy, full report photos, the whole kitten

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Speaker 3: kerboodle of what we've requested and been approved for, however

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Speaker 3: yet received in full. Then therefore we go from there,

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Speaker 3: and that's when these people come in.

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Speaker 2: In my three years of knowing Jason and Amanda, there've

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Speaker 2: been nothing but proud parents of all of their children,

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Speaker 2: and especially when it comes to talking about their children

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Speaker 2: that serve in the Australian Defense Force.

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Speaker 4: As you know, we've just went over to Adelaide to

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Speaker 4: witness Hunts a graduate as an airborne analyst and the

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Speaker 4: poseidons in the Air Force and it was one of

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Speaker 1: I've ever been to.

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Speaker 4: And to think my daughter was at the receiving end

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Speaker 4: of it was really a moment to remember Jay because

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Speaker 4: not only is she one of those that have passed

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Speaker 4: the fifteen month course, which is a very tough course,

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Speaker 4: she won most Improved a separate award and it was

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Speaker 4: Upper Sidon and get this, the trophy was a Poseidon

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Speaker 4: And after the first ceremony of the day, they took

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Speaker 4: going to take showing through it by Hunter and Jack.

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Speaker 4: I'm his partner and he's really up to speed with

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Speaker 4: So I'm asking questions and my questions are the weapons

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Speaker 4: prepared and you can look on Wikipedia, she said. And

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Speaker 4: super proud day. And the Chief of the Air Force,

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Speaker 4: graduating that this is the.

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Speaker 1: Cream of the crop.

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Speaker 4: You're looking at the elite. These people have just put

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Speaker 4: their name in maritime history. And when you hear that

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Speaker 1: Mate.

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Speaker 2: So just for those that don't know what an RAF

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Speaker 2: POSEIDON is, it's a maritime patrol, intelligence surveillance, anti submarine

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Speaker 2: warfare plane, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, mate, and she does electronic warfare in it. Sitting

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Speaker 4: And there's some there that do the submarine. There's others

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Speaker 4: that do electronic and they also do our rescue as well.

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't do Jason anything top secret.

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Speaker 1: Jay, you just would not tell.

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Speaker 4: Him look at just quickly going back to the poseidon

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Speaker 4: to getting one. You know these are a pimped up

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Speaker 4: seven three seven, mate, you know when you're in it.

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Speaker 4: I said to Hunter, I says, can I sit in

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Speaker 4: the pilot seat? She said, I don't know, Dad, And

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Speaker 4: I says, and Jack says, I asked.

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Speaker 1: So there was a.

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Speaker 4: Couple of high command in the plane, and they says,

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Speaker 4: is it right, it's Jason's. If I'm a Hunter's dad

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Speaker 4: sits in the pilot's seat, and they says, I'll be quick,

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Speaker 1: Make one hundred percent.

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