WEBVTT - Sharri | 1 July 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:05.720 Live on Sky News. This is Shari. 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:08.920 Good evening and welcome to the program. Caleb Bond in 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:12.119 for Sharry Marson all week, and congratulations to my colleague 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:15.920 James McPherson, who has just got engaged. He what's coming 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:18.680 up on the program tonight. The case against the Racial 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:22.320 Discrimination Act. Today's judgment won't stop anti Semitism, but it 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.360 does expose some hard truths that we need to face. 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:27.760 My thoughts on this in just a moment. Plus, the 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:32.320 list of critics against Albanese's controversial supertax grows, with ACTU 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.559 boss Sally McManus slamming it today or in. Hogan will 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.519 be on to discuss later. And a new study suggests 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.080 that margarant mothers are more likely to give birth to 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:44.559 sons rather than daughters. A demographer will be on to 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:48.000 explain the impacts of this further on Now. The case 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.559 against Muslim preacher Wisdom Hadad. I'm sure you've seen. The 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:55.120 Federal court today found that he breached section eighteen C 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:58.160 of the Racial Discrimination Act in the number of sermons 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.600 that were also posted online. Now, look, I don't think 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:04.920 that eighteen C should exist. I think it's a handbreak 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:08.200 on free speech. And that it has on many occasions 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:11.959 been weaponized against genuine debate in this country, just as 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.480 it was against our colleague here at Sky News, Andrew Bolt, 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:19.440 fourteen years ago. I think it was ridiculous that Pauline 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:22.000 Hanson was found to have breached the law when she 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:25.600 told Green Senator Marine Ferruki to pack her bags and 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:29.640 pisce off back to Pakistan. Other successful cases include a 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:33.520 counselor who made a joke about shooting Aboriginal people, one 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:37.000 against the Victorian government for referring to the Macedonian language 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:40.400 the wrong way, and now did broadcast to Howard Satler 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:43.440 God Rest his Soul, who allowed callers to make jokes 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:47.280 about Aboriginal people and a sacred site. Now, any right 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:50.840 thinking person, including me, would find that kind of stuff 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:55.320 to be offensive, insulting, humiliating or potentially intimidating, which is 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.880 what eighteen C covers. But my point is that it's 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:02.000 not the law's job to stop people from being racist, 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:05.600 and it never will stop people from being racist, because 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:09.320 even if they stop staying stuff openly, they'll still say 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.560 it privately, and their garbage will simply go underground to 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.560 places where it's harder to detect. So I want to 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:18.200 make it clear I've always been opposed to eighteen C. 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.680 I still am opposed to eighteen C. And that doesn't 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:25.160 change because in this case, I'm more sympathetic to those 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:29.000 who took on an Islamic preacher. Having said that, I 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:32.400 understand why the Executive Council of Australian Jury ran this 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:36.640 case against Hadad, first because the law is available to them, 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:39.760 and second because things were said, in my view that 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:43.240 could incite violence or at least justified violence at some 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:47.040 point in time against Jews. Now, clearly the criminal law 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.600 as it stands doesn't agree with me on that, and 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:53.600 Jewish Australians were sick of watching ramp and antisemitism go 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.880 on unchecked, so they launched this case. It got to 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.960 the point where the criminal law hadn't dealt with anything, 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:03.680 so they took the civil options that were available to them. Now, 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:07.320 much of what Hadad said in his sermons business about 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:11.120 Jews being descendants of pigs and apes, etc. Was found 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.919 to be wrong in theological fact. And I've read these 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.519 particular texts myself, and that is right. The Quran doesn't 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.799 refer to Jews in general as descendants of pigs and apes, 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:24.639 but refers to particular Jews who were cursed by Allah 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.760 and literally turned into apes. Most of the rest of 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.720 it this case I'm talking about, focused on age old 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.919 anti Semitic tropes. But I would point out some interesting 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.240 parts from this judgment from the Federal court. One is 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:41.040 that the idea that Islam is not critical of Jews 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.640 as people, but. 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:47.080 The expert witnesses on Islamic theology from both sides agree 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:51.760 that neither the Qur'an nor the Hadith teach that Jews 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:57.560 have an inherent negative quality as a people. Ibrahim, the 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:02.800 respondents expert said that is does not encourage hatred towards Jews. 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.680 I was not called on to decide whether religious belief 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:11.080 can ever be a justification for propagating racist, bigotry and hate. 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.480 Now that may will be true, But I would then 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.880 ask the question, why does some Muslims, not all, but 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:22.400 certainly some seem to hate Jews. I mean, maybe their 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:26.040 texts don't specifically command them to hate Jews, but I 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:29.480 don't think you could argue that long historical conflicts between 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:32.880 Jews and Muslims, including the one currently going on between 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:37.520 Israel and Gaza, have been ethno religious And even with 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:40.520 the judgment today, will it's stop anti semitism? I don't 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:45.120 think so. The law cannot retrospectively change people's beliefs. It 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.160 won't stop people from being racist, even if there are 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:51.279 some restrictions on what they can say in public. In fact, 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.640 there's a pretty good body of evidence to suggest that 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.119 the more you tell people not to do or think things, 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.920 particularly where religion is involved, the more they dig their heat. 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:01.320 And you have to. 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:04.279 Consider how we got to this point. I said this 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:08.719 on air in February. We all know there are racist 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:11.800 people in the world, but even most people who are 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:16.160 racist don't feel comfortable talking publicly about how they really 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:19.920 feel because they fear the consequences of their speech. These 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:23.760 two clearly didn't fear the consequences of their speech. They 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.320 didn't think they were doing anything wrong. And if you 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:30.159 look around the country its synagogue's being firebombed and vandalized, 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:33.880 and homes being attacked, and a federal government that's tiptoed 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:36.160 around the issue for more than a year, that it's 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:39.560 not hard to understand how they might come to that conclusion. 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:43.200 I mean, let's be clear, anti Semitism is not new. 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.799 It has existed for a long time, and we've probably 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:50.000 imported more of it into this country. I'll get to 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.400 that in the moment. But a lot of anti Semites 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:56.320 or people with anti Semitic undertones who previously wouldn't have 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.760 said anything, now feel like they can because they think 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:04.120 their strength in numbers, and that's how you end up 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.359 with cases like Hadad. He may well have thought and 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.000 even been preaching stuff like this for a long time, 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.440 but in the context of how things have gone in 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.279 the past couple of years, he felt comfortable not only 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.360 to preach that stuff at the Al Madina Duar Center, 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:22.080 but to post it online. And Hadad has ten thousand 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:25.640 followers on Instagram, so he has a reasonable following. What 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.080 was dealt with today, of course, is the least of 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.560 our worries. Hadad and the Al Madeen Duar Center have 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:33.599 been accused of radicalizing young people. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:39.839 A todd Ez, you'll think you are in an Isol 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:45.280 camp in Syria or in Irak. The materials of ISOL videos, 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:51.080 the songs of Isols. They are aware about all this information. 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.360 The leader of the center, with some Hadad also known 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.039 as Abu Said, is a notorious hate preacher. 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:04.120 Are you suggesting he radicalized them. Yes, they became extremist 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:08.880 after they attended and Medina Dawa Centaur and been and 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:14.480 have been exposed to the speech and the listeners. 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.880 And sure Hadad has been dealt with in court today 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.400 for his preachings, But what about all the people who 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.680 go to his Islamic center. How many other people might 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.600 be preaching these sorts of things in Australia that we 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:32.280 don't know about Islamic preachings such as this is incompatible 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.480 with Australian culture and values in our way of life. 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.920 And I accept that the court today was dealing specifically 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:43.320 with Hadad and his preachings and his interpretations of Islam. 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:47.360 But I ask this, where was the Australian National Imam's 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:52.320 Council today? Did they condemn her Dad? No, they said nothing. 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:57.440 The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils said nothing today. The 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:02.880 Lebanese Muslim Association so said nothing today. All of those 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:06.680 organizations have previously been given the opportunity to condemn the 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:10.920 preachings of Hadad and they have refused to do so. 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:15.080 The biggest Islamic representative bodies in this country will not 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:19.640 condemn the hate preaching of Hadad even after he's lost 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:23.680 in court. What does that tell you? Hadad even described 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:27.720 during the court case how shakh Shady Alissamaine, the president 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.760 of the National m M's Council, was the man who 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.880 took him under his wing. He told the court shake 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.400 Shady taught me through Islamic scripture and lessons that the 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.400 life I was living was spiritually wrong and that the 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.680 people I was affiliating myself with were not living in 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:47.920 accordance with the origins of Islam. Now I've extended the 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.640 opportunity to the National Imam's Council to come on the 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:54.720 show and condemn Hadad or explain why they think he 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.280 shouldn't be condemned, and I hope they take it up. 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:02.120 My door is open. We'll see tonight. And consider that 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:05.959 the Almadina Duas Center is in Bankstown. This is an 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:09.720 area where the top ancestry is Lebanese sixteen point eight 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.960 percent of the population compared to two point two percent 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.600 of the New South Wales population. Nearly two thirds of 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:20.120 the population have two parents born Overseas sixty two point 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.600 nine percent. Less than a fifth have two parents born 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.080 in Australia. The top religion is Islam twenty five point 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:30.040 six percent of the population, compared to four point three 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.920 percent of New South Wales. The top language spoken at 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:37.000 home other than English is Arabic twenty one point two 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:40.640 percent compared to two point eight percent of New South Wales. Now, 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:43.600 I'm not saying that every Muslim or every Arab who 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.839 lives in Bankstown would agree with what Hadad has said, 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:50.680 but I am saying we should be very careful about 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:55.000 importing cultures, people from cultures and religions who may sometimes 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:58.319 hold extremist views that are anathema to ours, and then 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.960 allowing them to flourish. When you have extremeistviews and tell 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.679 people they're free to express them here, then you end 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:08.800 up with division and disharmony. And that's how this ended 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:14.560 up in court. Well onto some of the other news 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:16.080 of the day. It was a busy morning for the 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.160 Prime Minister. He was on a media blitz and he 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:21.040 spent most of it defending his inability to snag a 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:25.319 meeting with Trump. Do you expect Pennywong to get you 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:27.120 a meeting with Trump while she's at the quad? 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:31.040 Wong's meeting is with foreign ministers. I expect her to 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.040 have a meeting with her co foreign ministers. 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.280 The President was actually elected last November. You've had plenty 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:41.040 of time before our own election to actually visit him. 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.080 Are you now looking at this and thinking it was 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:44.720 a mistake to leave it this late? 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.720 No? A little bit embarrassing, hasn't that pretty simple question? 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:51.040 When are you going to meet the Donald? 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:52.320 Look? 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.959 Where we'll meet when we meet in coming months. But 0:10:56.000 --> 0:11:00.000 my priority has been on delivering for Australian. 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.720 Let's bring in my panel now, Former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes. 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.680 Do you feel free? Holy? Today is the first day 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:08.480 outside of It's. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.600 Really quite liberating. Where else would I want to be? 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.040 I'm here with you and with me later on. 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.200 On the Late Debate, and of course is always on 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.920 a Tuesday form of Speaker of the House. Bronwin Bishop, 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.360 you escaped Parliament to quite some time ago, so you 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:22.920 must be feeling nice and. 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.280 Relaxed, having spent thirty years there. 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:29.040 I think you would you have you would do for 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:33.640 a break this business with Paul Keating getting involved in 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.959 the supertax. You know that the architects only of course, 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:41.800 of compulsory superannuation and the Prime Minister's sort of dancing 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.439 around some of that stuff that the Trump stuff will 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.760 get to in a minute. But he couldn't answer straight 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.680 this morning what he felt about Keating's intervention. 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:52.760 No, and I think that was just the warm art 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:54.480 cat for Paul Keating. I think he's going to have 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:56.640 plenty more to say, as Paul Keating is wont to do. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:58.840 But I think it's interesting as well that saliment Manis 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:00.880 has now come out as well. So when you've got 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:04.239 the head of the Unions, the architect of this superannuation 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:08.240 scheme in its entirety, condemning a labor government over its 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.520 plans and how unfair it is going to be, particularly 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:14.480 on younger Australians, and this government is so arrogant that 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.760 they're refusing to budge in any shape or form. I 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:18.360 think says an awful lot about them. 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.720 Indeed, I'll talk to Warren Hogan about a bit more 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.719 about that later on the Trump stuff from one, I mean, 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.000 he was basically saying this morning, Ah, you know, there'll 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:29.000 be a meeting at some point, we'll get around to it. 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:30.640 He doesn't even seem to be interested. 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:34.000 He's not, And to send Penny Wong there, she may 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:37.240 as well continue her journey and go to Beijing, because 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:41.760 basically what is happening is that under Alberanzi, a capital 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:48.040 s socialist, capital s socialist, he is moving us away 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:52.199 from our traditional alliance where we are totally dependent. At 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:55.559 the moment where he pretends to spend money on defense 0:12:56.000 --> 0:13:00.800 and lies about it, he listens to Beijing when they say, 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.400 don't spend any more money on defense. We like it 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.079 the way it is. That's the way he wants it. 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:11.240 So we are in a very difficult position. He stands 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.920 there and we can laugh and say, oh, how ridiculous 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:17.400 he looks, how tongue tied, how stupid he looks. But 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.920 really it's far more serious than that. Our alliance has 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:26.679 been in solid shape for decades. We have been comrades 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:30.520 at arms, we have fought and bled together through wars. 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.520 And yet this man, with his arrogance and his lies 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:38.840 and his socialist tendencies, wants to take away our freedoms 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.920 and we'll see this country a vassal state where we 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:46.560 pay homage. He has reduced this country to being just 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.720 a farm and a mine. We are the lowest manufacturing 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:53.400 nation in the OECD, and that is all because of 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:56.920 this man's policies. They are socialist policies and they are 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:57.679 destroying US. 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:01.240 Well, you mention Penny Wong in the US. She's just 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:04.439 gone off to Washington to meet with Kevin Rudd and 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.600 of course do the Quad all the foreign ministers. I mean, 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.640 you know, she's taking happy snaps there with Rada. I'm 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.240 sure that makes her feel good. But as you point out, Bronwin, 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.680 you know, we are at one of the lowest points 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.840 we've probably ever had with the United States. So if 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:26.360 Wong doesn't come home Holly with a meeting wind up 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.560 for alban Easy with Donald Trump, there was no point 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:30.520 of her going right, or. 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:33.440 A tariff exemption, something else that could be discussed. 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.200 That's She's in the room with Marco Rubio, look, and. 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:38.960 He has a very close relationship with Trump. And I 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.960 can't imagine Penny is going to do anything to further 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.320 and dear herself to the Americans, particularly with her very 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:49.520 weak stance and what's happened in Israel, what her performance 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.640 at the UN has been like, and what Australia has 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.920 voted in against the US there as well. I mean, 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.760 she is not in a position to go and demand anything. 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.120 And I think think it's just a continuation. Bromwin is 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.920 one hundred percent right, but it's getting It's embarrassing, but 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:09.680 it's dangerous, incredibly dangerous. From a geographic perspective, we are 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:14.680 so isolated from the rest of the world, but strategically we're. 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:15.880 Very important for the US. 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.840 Yet they are more fixated on focusing on China and 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.560 the relationship with China, and if they don't increase the 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.400 defense spending or they don't make some serious overtures in 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.400 that area. Again, to Bromin's point, it's just proof that 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.880 the Chinese ambassadors op ed was really their new white 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:32.880 paper for the defense. 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.600 Well, in all your years in public life, Bronwin, did 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.280 you ever think we would get to a point like this? 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.720 No, I didn't. Then I never thought Albanese would ever 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:48.520 be leader and elected. I just feel that we are 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:50.720 we are rudderless with this. 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:56.479 Unfortunately we're not ruddless. We've got run in throwing our relationship. 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:58.080 If only we were. 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:02.200 Ruddless, what a three albanezy wog and rug and you 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.520 expect to have a good relationship with the presidents in 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.640 the United States. Look, it is, as I said, it 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.120 is a far more serious matter than it is being taken. 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.160 People laugh and say, oh, he's running around trying to 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:15.920 get a meeting and roadway and talk to him. 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:17.200 And it's far. 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:20.160 More serious than that. And I want to hear the 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.960 opposition come out loudly and bulkling on this issue too, 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:29.200 because it is vital and the American people and the 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:33.560 President needs to know that there is a strong commitment 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:37.640 to our alliance, that the Australian people do want to 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:41.040 continue this strong alliance. And if there's no leadership being 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.680 given anywhere, then it starts to fall apart. 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.560 It's a very good point to quickly. Have had a 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.920 bit of good news meet in Livestock Australia, the representative 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.520 body for the red meat industry. They've dumped their net 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.120 zero by twenty thirty gold because cattle farmer is a 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.280 sick of being blamed for climate change because the cows 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.960 built and built elch and fart too much, and so 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.880 they've said we're doing away with a thirty seconds each. Holly, Finally, 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.120 some common sense hasn't got People are starting to come 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:08.600 bring on. 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.600 The ribbi And luckily for you, Caleber almost mastered the 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.439 burnet sauce. So next dinner party will be a cracker 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.520 full of redmade test. It's so sensible. 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:18.200 If only the. 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.360 Liberal Party could get itself together and start to look 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:21.399 at doing the same sort of thing. 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.280 Well, this is exactly the point. Right while they're going, 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:26.200 oh will we won't will you? I mean they still 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.960 don't have any real policy agenda. You've got other people 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:30.600 saying look knit to it doesn't work, We're going to 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:32.480 walk away from it. Even Tony Blair says it. 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:36.600 For evens say Australia is so far behind when it 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.159 comes to these issues. The rest of the world is 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:43.480 walking away from the idiocy of this global warming religion, 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:47.520 and yet we are still committed. Although I see mister 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.399 Bowman is now having to go back on these words 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:53.720 and say, oh we need guests after all, isn't it amazing? 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:58.600 So suddenly the Narrowboro guess was might take off. But 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.800 the whole point of it is is that we take 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:05.919 up technology quickly in this country somebody else's technology, but 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.600 when it comes to making our own policy decisions and 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:13.880 our own stance. By saying we are the richest blessed 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.800 country with energy in the world and it is the 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:20.440 only competitive edch we have, the only one and we're 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:24.840 sending our own firms broke because of it. This then, seriously, 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:27.680 we have just got to say we're going to use 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:33.119 our own resources. And with regard to twenty fifty and 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.359 net zero, I'm going home to have a good steak. 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:38.640 Heah here. I hope I'll be doing the same when 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:40.880 I leave tonight too, probably with a nice bottle of red. 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.240 I think Ron within Bishop Holly Hughes will see you 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:45.960 again at ten pm hear me on the late debate. 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:47.480 Thank you to both of you. Now, if you're in 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:49.399 Sydney on New South Wales, you don't need me to 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.200 tell you. It's been cold and rainy today. But we've 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.399 apparently been hit by a bond cyclone which all sounds 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.320 a bit violent, but torrential run and damaging winds have 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.560 puneled parts of the steak. The latest details and warnings. 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:05.840 I'm joined now by reporter Crystal Wu who's in Woollongong Crystal. 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.200 Where has been affected today by this low precious system? 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:10.760 What sort of rainfalls have we. 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:18.600 Seen right along the coast, Caleb, It's affected the central 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.840 coast and right down here in Wollongong Jervis Bay, about 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.399 three hours south of Sydney saw more than two hundred 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:28.760 millimes of rain, but the SES has issued four emergency 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:32.800 warnings to the Central Coast due to a coastal erosion. 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:35.840 So many people who live near the beach have been 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:40.480 told to evacuate. We saw massive swells along multiple beaches today. 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:44.840 Sydney also impacted by these. Travelers have been their flights 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:48.680 have been delayed. They're feeling very frustrated. We know twenty 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:52.840 two flights coming out of Sydney domestically have been canceled. 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:56.760 Thirty two coming in have also been canceled. This strong 0:19:57.040 --> 0:20:00.600 destructive winds have also damaged power lines. So there was 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:03.879 a gum tree that fell down on a power line 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:08.480 north of Sydney earlier today that created power outages across 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:09.880 hundreds of homes. 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:10.879 Here in Wollongong. 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.680 It hasn't stopped raining since last night. I can feel 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:17.920 damaging winds expected to continue right throughout the night. 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:20.160 What should we expect for the rest of the week. 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:21.440 Have we seen the worst of it yet? 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:28.800 We haven't yet, Caleb. We've seen around fifty to one 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:32.719 hundred and fifty millimeters of rain across parts of the States. 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:36.879 Some isolated areas could see up to two hundred millimeters 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.760 of rain, strong wind gusts, as you can properly see 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.479 behind me, big droplets of rain, wind gusts of up 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:45.879 to one hundred and twenty five kilometers an hour. And 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:48.399 this is all due to a low pressure system forming 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:52.679 along the coast. It is expected to remain active until Thursday. 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:56.119 So until then, Caleb, residents have been told to stay 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.000 at home and avoid driving through floodwaters. 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:01.960 That's really important, Caleb, Crystal, thank you for your time. 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:04.200 As my grandmother always says, as long as you're not 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:06.800 in the firing line for any damage, good for the garden. 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:07.040 Now. 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:10.080 I talked last night about Paul Keating's first public intervention 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:12.960 over Labour's super Text, because he pointed out that the 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:15.160 average worker will now be on the road to three 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:17.760 million dollars in super and there was more this morning, 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:21.520 this time ACTU boss Sally McManus, who agrees that the 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:25.920 unrealized capital gains tax should be indexed over time. 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:28.040 I do think it's got to be indexed, and because 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:30.400 you've got to make sure eventually people don't end up there, 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.159 but that's a very long time in the future. I 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:36.440 think that asking you know, those people not to get 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:38.639 you know, Super isn't there to be a tax fraud. 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.040 It's there to make sure you've got a dignified retirement. 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:45.000 The PM was asked about Keating's veiled message this morning. 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:46.640 This was his lily livid response. 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:56.200 Well, there's are very modest changes discussed where we are right, 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:59.280 we are right. Well, good on you. You stay on Paul. 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:01.919 I'll stay on superannuation. 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:04.560 Because he's wrong. 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:10.480 No, I'm talking about superannuation. 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:13.760 With me now, as Judo Bank chief economist Warren Hogan, 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:18.840 Warren welcome. It's a pretty weak response from the Prime Minister. 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:21.679 He's been called out by the man who was the 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:25.280 architect of this system. He can see that his legacy 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:28.160