Speaker 1: This is the Media Show with Jack Outing, Hello and
Speaker 1: welcome to the Media Show. Tonight we discussed fallout from
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's controversial South Africa press conference, and later on
Speaker 1: we sit down with Media watchdog columnist Jared Henderson. But
Speaker 1: first big news this week with the coalitions splitting apart.
Speaker 1: But when it seemed that differences could maybe be put
Speaker 1: aside and the parties could potentially return, the press pack
Speaker 1: got fired up.
Speaker 2: Seeing the van enough.
Speaker 1: But at the ABC, their star reporter Patricia Carvellis was
Speaker 1: furious that she, a woman, didn't have the spotlight take
Speaker 1: a question. I feel like there's a lot of blokes
Speaker 1: that have been asking questions.
Speaker 3: Be nice if I could ask the question, Tricia Carvellos.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Carvellis was suggesting that the Nationals were being sexist and
Speaker 1: only allowing men to ask a question. And was it true.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: So you're getting back together?
Speaker 4: No, this all our time, the.
Speaker 5: Announcement of these portfolio allocations.
Speaker 3: You can see that you've got.
Speaker 6: The gun on.
Speaker 7: The analyses like nuclear are have got to go through
Speaker 7: the legal party there under review, are about to be
Speaker 7: under review.
Speaker 8: The subject to review.
Speaker 1: If it is a no, what then.
Speaker 5: Why was this decision made with haste on Tuesday?
Speaker 9: One person and McKenzie if.
Speaker 1: We can, And not only was it not true, but
Speaker 1: Carvellis doesn't even follow her own logic.
Speaker 6: I've just observed this.
Speaker 10: I'd actually like to ask you, David Little Proud, actually
Speaker 10: get at mine.
Speaker 1: So let's break this down. Carvellos falsely slanders the politicians
Speaker 1: as being sexist, and then when she has the chance
Speaker 1: to ask a question, she tells the senior female politician
Speaker 1: to get out of the road because Carvellos would rather
Speaker 1: talk to a man instead. And David Little Proud had
Speaker 1: already taken dozens of questions, but mackenzie had just stepped
Speaker 1: forward for a few moments when Carvellis dismissed her what
Speaker 1: a mess, lies, attention seeking, temper tantrums and most importantly,
Speaker 1: not a shred of journalism. Well joining me now for
Speaker 1: this and more. As Sky News contributor James Bolt, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just so typical of their ABC to make it
Speaker 1: all about them. But the real issue with this is
Speaker 1: it wasn't even grounded in reality. And I actually would
Speaker 1: be much more forgiving if it was the case that
Speaker 1: women were being pushed aside and there were only blokes
Speaker 1: asking questions, and there was this happening, but it was
Speaker 1: all in her head. She just confected this.
Speaker 11: Well, I actually feel a bit sorry for Patricia Carrvellis
Speaker 11: here because she is Patricia carl Bellis right, She's gone
Speaker 11: to a press pack. This is beneath her and she
Speaker 11: walks in. She'd be expecting a hush to just come
Speaker 11: over the room, all these journals looking nervously around like
Speaker 11: oh here she's here, and instead like they've got their
Speaker 11: own questions. She doesn't know how to do with that
Speaker 11: actually was supposed to ask, like they were all supposed
Speaker 11: to go, well, what does Patricia Carvellis think? So, you know,
Speaker 11: it couldn't possibly be that her influence is starting to
Speaker 11: weigh in, or that people don't look up to her
Speaker 11: as much as she once did. So the only answer
Speaker 11: left is that they must have all been sexist, not
Speaker 11: wanting a woman to ask a question.
Speaker 1: That must be there is I could I agree there's
Speaker 1: a degree of ego at play here, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 11: I thought, sorry, I thought Bridge McKenzie, Like when Patricia
Speaker 11: Cavellis in that clip goes, you know it's time a
Speaker 11: woman ask a question. Bridge McKenzie goes, Patricia carvellis like
Speaker 11: a regal, like everyone can calm down.
Speaker 1: She rolls out the red carpet for her. There's also
Speaker 1: that the inconsistency as well. And so I would have
Speaker 1: thought from an idy logical point of view, if you
Speaker 1: really want diverse viewpoints and the interviewer doesn't matter as
Speaker 1: much as the subject, and so if you want to
Speaker 1: be consistent with that way of thinking, and I think
Speaker 1: it is a I think it's a diabolical way of
Speaker 1: thinking because you're not treating somebody by the substance. You're
Speaker 1: putting people into these identitarian baskets. And I think it's
Speaker 1: very problem path to go down. The ABC is obviously
Speaker 1: they're well down that road anyway, So you can see
Speaker 1: why she's like that. But wouldn't you want to hear
Speaker 1: from the woman then if you really do care about
Speaker 1: diversity and she's just dismissed her.
Speaker 4: Well, let's look at the question and that she asked.
Speaker 11: It was about the timeline for negotiations on the agreement
Speaker 11: and when the shadow Cabinet would be announced, Like that's
Speaker 11: the only question that can really appeal to like the
Speaker 11: elite journalists of the time that's a woman starts as
Speaker 11: a female perspective as well.
Speaker 1: It had already been asked by the way, it had
Speaker 1: been asked and answered, asked and answered by several different people,
Speaker 1: including multiple women, And we played the grab of all
Speaker 1: those women who were asking questions and Patricia Carvelliser just
Speaker 1: I guess erased them from her mind.
Speaker 4: They don't matter.
Speaker 11: But yeah, ladies at Bridget Mackenzie, you can't answer that question.
Speaker 4: It's the obvious question that.
Speaker 1: All of them were exactly. She's in the room. There's
Speaker 1: four people in the room, she's one of them. She
Speaker 1: could have answered that, but no, she wanted the man
Speaker 1: to take it very telling. Let's move on, though, because
Speaker 1: the coalition split is driving headlines and taking journalists away
Speaker 1: from their core function at a time like this, scrutinizing
Speaker 1: a government with a supermajority, and it is this type
Speaker 1: of petty infighting that voters to test and the media loves.
Speaker 12: Liberally to Ted O'Brien on the show last night, and
Speaker 12: he agreed this morning at a courtesy we told him
Speaker 12: Matt Canavan was coming on too. All seemed okay, and
Speaker 12: then twenty minutes ago his team rang saying he won't
Speaker 12: come on with Canadan.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't make it up. It's like maths
Speaker 1: the canber Edition. Eventually, Ted O'Brien did finally appear on today,
Speaker 1: but you could reach out and touch the tension in
Speaker 1: the air.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 12: I'm just going to get out of the way of this
Speaker 12: and let you guys sort it out, because otherwise it's
Speaker 12: going to sound too much like a funeral. So if
Speaker 12: you want to start, Bridget, I'll start with who caused
Speaker 12: the breakup?
Speaker 1: Whose fault was it?
Speaker 12: Because Susan Lee disputes your account of the dispute? Do
Speaker 12: you dispute that?
Speaker 1: Can I just say sorry? Go ahead, Bridge?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he was asking me a question.
Speaker 9: He don't mind.
Speaker 1: And of course it's funny to make these people out
Speaker 1: to be jaded ex lovers because you know, and I
Speaker 1: don't begrudge anyone in the media turning this into a joke,
Speaker 1: but it is Australians who suffer when we stop talking
Speaker 1: about a powerful new government and what they're doing to
Speaker 1: dissect the drama of those without power. James. That are
Speaker 1: awkward moment where Ted O'Brien interjects Carl is loving it
Speaker 1: by the way. I thought. He did a brilliant job
Speaker 1: and people will note he kept making maths references and
Speaker 1: obviously that's one of Channel nine's that's their premiere show.
Speaker 1: It's a very clever way to plug it. Oh you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like these politicians have walked into this not
Speaker 1: knowing that he's literally making fun of them, and they're
Speaker 1: just walking into it accepting it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Well, I think for Ted O'Brien, he dug his own
Speaker 11: grave in his sense, like once the story is out
Speaker 11: that you cancel the interview because you were scared of
Speaker 11: Matt Canavan, you can't then turn around and go you know,
Speaker 11: I'm alwaso scared of Brincea McKenzie and then you look silly.
Speaker 4: I loved how bolted on had smile was for Tet O'Brien.
Speaker 11: It was just big smiles, everyone's happy love being with Frigid.
Speaker 11: I get into I accidentally interrupted her and she calls
Speaker 11: me out, still smiling. Like Kyle could have dipped into
Speaker 11: the worst story you would have ever seen and come
Speaker 11: back to the panel, tedor Brian would still be smiling.
Speaker 4: But to the point, like I long ago, he gave
Speaker 4: up on.
Speaker 11: The idea of politicians actually trying to do their best
Speaker 11: for the general public. So that's a dream that long died.
Speaker 11: If they all just want to be you know, these
Speaker 11: messy drama queens that live for gossip and high politics
Speaker 11: like this, I'm all for it. It's more entertaining, Like
Speaker 11: what else are we going to do? We follow the
Speaker 11: fund in the media where natural sticky bakers, Prime Minister
Speaker 11: Albinezy having productive talks with the Singapore and PM on
Speaker 11: the way back to Australia. Important bit dull tedtor Brian
Speaker 11: Canceling an interview with Minutes to Spare.
Speaker 4: That's interesting. I want to see that story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's another element to this as well, with the leaks,
Speaker 1: and there's letters and text messages that are flying and
Speaker 1: if you watch that, and I spoke about the tension
Speaker 1: in the read there for a little bit about being
Speaker 1: able to feel that tension. These people do not like
Speaker 1: each other right now, and I'm really struggling to see
Speaker 1: how they're going to be able to get over that
Speaker 1: hurdle of just even being able to be polite. When
Speaker 1: you've got media teams that are just leaking text messages, alerts.
Speaker 1: It doesn't play for constructive media interviews.
Speaker 11: No, because the media now has a narrative which is
Speaker 11: correct that they do not like it's true, and it's
Speaker 11: frosty in there, and you just think, like if you
Speaker 11: were a member of the Liberal and National head on
Speaker 11: Joe's twenty nineteen, you'll lose because people were just hating
Speaker 11: each other, like openly Scott Morrison getting called out in
Speaker 11: the Senate himself by Liberal senators this.
Speaker 4: One as well.
Speaker 11: You know, you get the leagues out, like people felt
Speaker 11: sidelined in the campaign, people weren' getting briefed on their
Speaker 11: own ministerial portfolios. People felt that couldn't go on media.
Speaker 11: So you go, that's two losses in a row, partly
Speaker 11: caused by the fact that we are publicly not getting
Speaker 11: along and also privately not along. So within it two
Speaker 11: weeks that blowing up your bag not getting along, you're
Speaker 11: just constantly getting in your own way.
Speaker 1: It's just and while they're doing this, they're not acting
Speaker 1: as an opposition and then that's where Australians suffer. And
Speaker 1: I think journos as well. I mean, these people are
Speaker 1: I said maybe last week or the week before that
Speaker 1: it was a dying party or I stand by that.
Speaker 1: I think effectively, they're incapacitated. They can't do anything. Three
Speaker 1: to six years minimum, cannot do a thing. The media's
Speaker 1: focus is essentially on an impotent political movement. They can't
Speaker 1: do anything when you've got a very powerful, very powerful
Speaker 1: prime minister with a sweeping mandate to do all sorts
Speaker 1: of things. Have made very bold promises on cost of living,
Speaker 1: bold promises on how many houses would be built on
Speaker 1: energy prices, and I feel like our colleagues, we're not
Speaker 1: looking in the right area. We're looking at this theater
Speaker 1: and it's wholly irrelevant, but like, at.
Speaker 11: The same time, it's what the public wants. Like publics
Speaker 11: just like hearing about the gossipy drama stuff, and.
Speaker 1: The opposition did it to themselves.
Speaker 11: Did it to themselves soorry to the point where you
Speaker 11: said that there's not much they can do. There is
Speaker 11: like labor had a huge mandate. The last time they
Speaker 11: could have done anything they want. They couldn't get the
Speaker 11: voice across. And that wasn't because of you know, politicking,
Speaker 11: that was just because the opposition united behind no you
Speaker 11: think like super tacks, right, we're all talking about that
Speaker 11: at Sky News. People aren't talking about that on the street.
Speaker 11: That could be the next thing that, through sheer will
Speaker 11: of public power, labor.
Speaker 4: Has to get their hands off because it becomes toxic.
Speaker 11: But it's not because the Liberals and Nationals are too
Speaker 11: busy fighting each other, right and then be united, making
Speaker 11: themselves not the story and allowing the story to go
Speaker 11: back to what the government wants to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Well we'll follow it closely. But now
Speaker 1: to the ABC and its former chair Ida Butchros, who
Speaker 1: has racked up a three thousand, six hundred dollars bill
Speaker 1: for luxury car travel in just twelve months. The Australian
Speaker 1: broke the story and then followed it up to reveal
Speaker 1: that the Media Union was outraged and what a statement
Speaker 1: they released. The board must stop disrespecting the public and
Speaker 1: ABC staff by treating the broadcaster as its plaything. Now, James,
Speaker 1: this is a really interesting story because at the ABC
Speaker 1: there's internal policies to not be wasteful over travel, and
Speaker 1: luxury traveler is one of those things that's an absolute
Speaker 1: no no. It's beyond public expectations that people would use
Speaker 1: funds that way. The chair isn't bound by that. So
Speaker 1: Ida Butcher's her argument, and it's true. She can do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: should she though, is another question?
Speaker 11: Well, that's the thing, so maybe in the letter of
Speaker 11: the law, Yeah, she's not ABC stuff. I know that's
Speaker 11: what she refers to in that article. But from a
Speaker 11: public perspective, when the public are paying you two hundred
Speaker 11: thousand dollars a year to run the ABC, you are,
Speaker 11: in a sense and employee of the ABC responsible to us.
Speaker 11: And I just go, like, the problem with this is
Speaker 11: every issue we have with the ABC comes back down
Speaker 11: to two things. Either one, they're way too biased or
Speaker 11: to they're wasting our money. Now, if that's the culture
Speaker 11: that permeates at the top of just yeah, but you
Speaker 11: know all these rises that we're getting instead of Uber,
Speaker 11: instead of me driving myself, If that's the culture at
Speaker 11: the top, how do you then go? Okay, rank and file,
Speaker 11: you guys need to stop wasting money. The rank and
Speaker 11: file should rightly go you first, and the threats become
Speaker 11: so hollow from the top to the bottom when that's happening.
Speaker 11: And then the second one, you guys need to rain
Speaker 11: in the bias. Well, if you're not grounding yourselves in
Speaker 11: glory at the top, why should we ground ourselves in
Speaker 11: glory at the bottom, Like what why bother us changing
Speaker 11: if you're not going to change.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and the media union elements interesting as well
Speaker 1: because they're frosty ever since the Antoinette Latoof matter, and
Speaker 1: I actually agree that what they did to Antoinette Latoof
Speaker 1: they shouldn't have done. I don't think she should have
Speaker 1: been hired, but watching that defamation case, the reasons that
Speaker 1: they gave for dismissing her were absolutely outrageous and that
Speaker 1: no body should, no statutory body should operating like that.
Speaker 1: The union there is a grudge and the Australian's article
Speaker 1: kind of hinted at that that there is this tension.
Speaker 1: I mean that is a nightmare situation for the ABC,
Speaker 1: where normally the union would probably be a little bit
Speaker 1: more sympathetic towards the ABC and journalists and attacks from
Speaker 1: the outside. Now they're the ones who are pushing it forward.
Speaker 11: Well because they've got the natural enemy, Like they're not
Speaker 11: pulling the rows in the same direction when you talk
Speaker 11: about the ABC top and bottom, So why would you
Speaker 11: try and change anything you're doing if the board is
Speaker 11: saying that you need a rule in line, if they're
Speaker 11: not pulling themselves in line.
Speaker 4: Yeah, agree.
Speaker 1: Now, let's check in with the Guardian to see how
Speaker 1: it is holding the new Labor government to account at.
Speaker 8: Tax targeting grandma's attacks, robbing your kids of inheritance, attacks
Speaker 8: that will force hard working Aussies to sell their farm.
Speaker 8: So with all of these headlines, this proposed change to
Speaker 8: the superannuation tax must be a massive disastrous deal, right,
Speaker 8: Well not really. Here's what's actually going on. So in
Speaker 8: Australia we store our retirement money in super funds which
Speaker 8: invest that money and help it grow over time. Now,
Speaker 8: the amount you earn from that investment is taxed each year,
Speaker 8: but at a way discountered rate compared to most regular
Speaker 8: income tax, just fifteen percent, and this discount overwhelmingly benefits
Speaker 8: wealthy people.
Speaker 1: Now, James, I think the Guardian is going to struggle
Speaker 1: under this new government from a readership point of view,
Speaker 1: because it pitches itself and if you look to down
Speaker 1: the bottom where they beg for donations, they're always saying
Speaker 1: we hold power to account and you know, wear an
Speaker 1: independent voice and we don't have billionaire owners, and it's
Speaker 1: all very kind of lofty, you know, conjecture about how
Speaker 1: morally superior they are to every other journalist in the country.
Speaker 1: Then they go and produce videos that are basically propaganda
Speaker 1: clips about how good a powerful government's new policy is
Speaker 1: at taking money which is unrealized gains, and it's it
Speaker 1: is this kind of explain a trying to convince young
Speaker 1: people of this class warfare between these rich elites who
Speaker 1: are taking You're poor and they're rich, and all labor
Speaker 1: is doing is just trying to take a little bit
Speaker 1: of that money and give it back. It's just so
Speaker 1: nauseating it is.
Speaker 4: And to be like, you know, they're asking for donations.
Speaker 11: I'm sure after that beautiful piece of product of propaganda,
Speaker 11: I'm sure Jim Jalmons is going to be kicking in
Speaker 11: a couple hundred bucks.
Speaker 1: To it had forty one likes. I'm probably the only
Speaker 1: one that watched it to.
Speaker 4: Be fine, nor two people because I also watched it.
Speaker 11: And if you, if you through sheer tyranny of will
Speaker 11: get to the end of that video. She does admit
Speaker 11: that twenty two year olds on average ages will be affected,
Speaker 11: but how is that not the main story? Like, twenty
Speaker 11: two year olds on average wages are your audience when
Speaker 11: you make videos.
Speaker 1: Like she did it as a qualifier at the end.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, but like that's your audience.
Speaker 11: Like if you go like, okay, I need to spin
Speaker 11: my sweater around three point sixty to make people watch
Speaker 11: a video about economics, why didn't you start off with Hey,
Speaker 11: you know you might be told that this is just
Speaker 11: going after millionaire grandparents, but it's actually going to affect
Speaker 11: you down the line to pay attention.
Speaker 4: This is your money.
Speaker 11: And then the other point, if I can make a
Speaker 11: broader societal point here, what happens to aspiration? What happens
Speaker 11: like this said, you know, unrealized capital gang stacks.
Speaker 4: Ah, that's just millionaires that will never affect me. Like
Speaker 4: why don't you believe that you could be a millionaire
Speaker 4: one day?
Speaker 11: Why don't you believe that anything that happens to the
Speaker 11: top ten percent could one day happen to you? Like
Speaker 11: why why do people sell themselves short like that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, James Bolt, thank you so much for your thoughts.
Speaker 1: Really appreciate it. Quick break, But when we return, we'll
Speaker 1: discuss the US media. Welcome back to Stars and Gripes,
Speaker 1: where we expose the activists masquerading as journalists. And there
Speaker 1: is a lot of that this week, and much of
Speaker 1: its centers around the issue of dozens of white farmers
Speaker 1: in South Africa being slaughtered every year.
Speaker 4: Just put this on. It's right behind you.
Speaker 6: Yeah you we don't care to.
Speaker 1: I wonder you are see what your son it is? Well,
Speaker 1: I can do that. Look, here's burial site all over
Speaker 1: the place. You're all these are all white farmers that
Speaker 1: are being buried. Well, that was US President Donald Trump
Speaker 1: confronting the President of South Africa, Cyril Ramafosa, with concerns
Speaker 1: about the sheer number of white farmers being massacred every year. Now,
Speaker 1: I do want to make the point that I do
Speaker 1: not think that genocide is accurate here. That work has
Speaker 1: specific connotations and needs to meet a high threshold. And
Speaker 1: just because people on the left want to water down
Speaker 1: the meaning of words to as their political goals, it
Speaker 1: does not mean that conservatives should fall into the same trap.
Speaker 1: Having said that, whether or not these killings meet the
Speaker 1: definition of genocide is not really the point. The point
Speaker 1: is that a group of people which shared racial backgrounds
Speaker 1: are being killed in large numbers, and some journalists in
Speaker 1: the media are trying to either justify this horror or
Speaker 1: insist it simply isn't happening. And that is a shock
Speaker 1: to us here in Australia because this issue has mainstream acceptance.
Speaker 1: We have taken in farmers fleeing horror, we have reported
Speaker 1: on their stories, and we know these people exist. You
Speaker 1: know what.
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful that you know, finally this is being
Speaker 2: heard and that you know, President Trump has brought it up,
Speaker 2: because when we moved to Australia four and a half
Speaker 2: years ago, you know, it felt like nobody was listening.
Speaker 2: So it really is. I'm thrilled that it is coming
Speaker 2: art into the open and that the world is now
Speaker 2: going to see what's really happening in South Africa.
Speaker 1: Well, joining me on the desk is Gabriella Power, the
Speaker 1: host of Power Hour, one of Sky's most watch shows. Jack,
Speaker 1: thank you for having me, Well, thanks for joining us
Speaker 1: on the desk. Now, this issue of white farmers, and
Speaker 1: I think Donald Trump he does this thing where he
Speaker 1: kind of he makes mistakes or he maybe over exaggerates
Speaker 1: or over states a position, which then allows the media
Speaker 1: to sweep the whole issue away. And that's what he does.
Speaker 1: But I think as journalists we should be able to
Speaker 1: still look at the issue acknowledge that maybe there was
Speaker 1: an error in how something was stated, and the clip
Speaker 1: we just played there of this woman and Kieran Gilbert
Speaker 1: did that interview this week, and we've spoken to her
Speaker 1: many times on Sky News. These people exist, and I'm
Speaker 1: really uncomfortable with this push by some journalists in the
Speaker 1: media to either downplay the stories or turn them into
Speaker 1: statistical anomalies, to suggest that the number of them is
Speaker 1: so statistically irrelevant that it should not even be discussed,
Speaker 1: that there shouldn't be any legitimate conversation around it. I
Speaker 1: think it's a very disturbing trend. What are you seeing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I completely agree with you.
Speaker 5: Look, many people disagree with Donald Trump's approach here, and
Speaker 5: I'm not here to say that.
Speaker 3: His approach is perfect.
Speaker 5: But watching that exchange at the White House, it really
Speaker 5: shows you why Donald Trump was elected, why so many
Speaker 5: people support him, because he's not afraid to stand up
Speaker 5: to other world leaders. While South Africa's president has gone
Speaker 5: to the White House to talk about trade at the
Speaker 5: same time that America is taking in refugees from South
Speaker 5: Africa who were fleeing racial violence, Donald Trump is.
Speaker 3: Going to raise the issue with the president.
Speaker 5: Now, this is part of Donald Trump's transparency agenda. He's
Speaker 5: not afraid to have these conversations while the cameras are rolling.
Speaker 5: And as you point out that here in Australia, we're
Speaker 5: very aware of the issues of what is unfolding in
Speaker 5: South Africa.
Speaker 3: We've had that interview, we've.
Speaker 5: Given them Asylo absolutely and the reality is that hundreds
Speaker 5: of farmers have been attacks, There's been dozens of murders
Speaker 5: in South Africa. And right now America is taking in
Speaker 5: fifty nine or last week, I think it was fifty
Speaker 5: nine refugees from South Africa, and the left wing media
Speaker 5: in America had an absolute freak out about it. There
Speaker 5: was one commentator on CNN completely minimizing the issue, saying, oh,
Speaker 5: it's only a couple of people being murdered, as if
Speaker 5: that is somehow okay. And so Donald Trump is up
Speaker 5: against the leftist media every day in America where they're
Speaker 5: horrified that America is taking in refugees from South Africa.
Speaker 5: And so by Donald Trump's standing up to South Africa's
Speaker 5: president at the White House, he's also coming.
Speaker 3: There with the receipts.
Speaker 5: He's there showing the footage of leaders calling for racial
Speaker 5: violence in South Africa. There's a vision of white crosses
Speaker 5: being marked to mark and honor every white farmer that
Speaker 5: has been killed in South Africa. And so, as we
Speaker 5: heard from that interview that was played on Kieran Gilbert's
Speaker 5: show that so many people watching that exchange in the
Speaker 5: White House were so grateful for President Trump for really
Speaker 5: highlighting the issue. And although his approach may be unpredictable,
Speaker 5: maybe bold, it's unconvinced lighting as well.
Speaker 1: And then I think that some of the fact checks
Speaker 1: are focusing on splitting hairs and it's not the substance
Speaker 1: of what the message is. When you've got a government
Speaker 1: which is pressuring white farmers to sell a law was
Speaker 1: passed in January that gives them the power to take
Speaker 1: it without compensation, you can't have that situation politically without
Speaker 1: there being an underbelly of resentment. And I understand why
Speaker 1: there is resentment because of apartheid, but that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that this reality isn't happening anyway. Let's move on, because
Speaker 1: we'll be Goldberg took on the issue of white farmers,
Speaker 1: and she also got stuck on this word genocide and
Speaker 1: used it as scapegoat to dismiss the entire reality of
Speaker 1: the situation and watch how her brain dead panel chuckles
Speaker 1: and smirks while discussing such a serious issue.
Speaker 10: So South African President Rob Posa paid a visit to
Speaker 10: the White.
Speaker 1: House yesterday, which turned into.
Speaker 11: A surprise presentation on conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. It's something that's really uncomfortable to me.
Speaker 1: When there are dozens of people that are murdered, there
Speaker 1: is that underbelly of anti white resentment. I don't think
Speaker 1: it meets the threshold of genocide, and I think that
Speaker 1: it was a mistake for Trump to say that. But
Speaker 1: they're chuckling and laughing at that, and it is a
Speaker 1: serious situation, and it's quite obvious to me that the
Speaker 1: government wants these farmers to see the land. There is
Speaker 1: pressure behind that. The community knows that the community would
Speaker 1: be seeing that, listening to that, and they're sitting there, they're.
Speaker 5: Laughing at a conspiracy theory. You know, that's absolutely absurd
Speaker 5: to say that white farmers are not being murdered.
Speaker 3: That that's a conspiracy theory. And it's not just the view.
Speaker 5: Other media outlets, I should say, covering the exchange in
Speaker 5: the White House have all almost had the same headlines.
Speaker 5: Trump ambushes this South Africa's president amid false claims of racism.
Speaker 5: These aren't false claims of racism. People are being murdered,
Speaker 5: and you've got people like Whoopi Goldberg on the View
Speaker 5: claiming that it's conspiracy theories. Again, to your point, genocide's
Speaker 5: not the right term, but it's still a very real issue.
Speaker 5: And for Whoopie Goldberg should really go back and actually
Speaker 5: look at the.
Speaker 3: Statistics if she wants to.
Speaker 5: You know, if you look at the side rate in
Speaker 5: South Africa, it's forty five per hundred thousand. The homicide
Speaker 5: rate in South Africa for white farmers is one hundred
Speaker 5: and nine per one hundred thousand. Now, of course, noting
Speaker 5: that white farmers do make up a small percentage of
Speaker 5: the population, but the point is that this group is
Speaker 5: vulnerable and they are being targeted, and that is why
Speaker 5: America is now taking in fifty nine refugees from South Africa.
Speaker 3: And so for this issue to be aired.
Speaker 5: On the View with really no sympathy for what is
Speaker 5: going on, I think it's just they're almost using it
Speaker 5: as another way of just of slamming Trump for everything.
Speaker 5: They want to play into this narrative that Trump is
Speaker 5: a big bad bully that Trump is awful.
Speaker 1: Well, the left loves nuance until it's uncomfortable, until there's
Speaker 1: maybe more than the surface level story to discuss, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, nuance goes out the window,
Speaker 1: and they love that broad brush to say conspiracy. We
Speaker 1: know time and time again the conspiracies are often proven
Speaker 1: proven true. When some of these people are pushing that
Speaker 1: word anyway, staying on this issue again, reporters spent their
Speaker 1: energy quibbling and fact checking the semantics of statements, and
Speaker 1: it led to a heated exchange between one woman and
Speaker 1: Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt. Good to see you.
Speaker 6: Get thanks for ticular question.
Speaker 10: Sure, the President showed a video that he says showed
Speaker 10: more than a thousand burial sides of Africans, and he said.
Speaker 4: We're murdered.
Speaker 10: We know that that's not true and that the video
Speaker 10: wasn't doing that. So I wonder why did the President
Speaker 10: choose to show that it's not true the video was
Speaker 10: showing a burial site. It's unsubstantiated that that's the case.
Speaker 7: No, it's it is true that that video showed the crosses.
Speaker 7: That represents what the President claimed. The video showed images
Speaker 7: of crosses in South Africa about white farmers who have
Speaker 7: been killed and politically persecuted because of the color of
Speaker 7: their skin.
Speaker 1: President, and those crosses.
Speaker 7: Aren't representing their lives. Those crosses are representing their lives
Speaker 7: and the fact that they are now dead and their
Speaker 7: government did nothing about it.
Speaker 3: Are you disputing that there's no fact that.
Speaker 10: The video showed what the President claimed it showed because
Speaker 10: it did not show that. But even more, what I'm
Speaker 10: asking is.
Speaker 6: Who what they did show?
Speaker 7: That the white cross is representing people who have perished
Speaker 7: because of racial persevery, the videos that the President shows
Speaker 7: and what protocols are in praise when there's unsubstantiated information
Speaker 7: being put out for the world, And give me what's
Speaker 7: unsubstantiated about the video. The video shows crosses that represent
Speaker 7: the dead bodies of people who are racially persecuted by
Speaker 7: their government.
Speaker 1: In fact, the.
Speaker 7: Associated Press, of all places, has a picture of that
Speaker 7: very monument, and the caption from the Associated Press is
Speaker 7: each cross marks a white farmer who has been killed
Speaker 7: in a farm murder.
Speaker 1: So it is again Donald Trump has opened himself up
Speaker 1: to these kind of fact checks, and I do think
Speaker 1: they're wholly irrelevant. Is it a burial side or is
Speaker 1: it a symbolic site to represent It's not really wholly relevant.
Speaker 1: But he misspoke or whether intentionally or not, whether he
Speaker 1: understands the difference, and it does leave him vulnerable in
Speaker 1: moments likely and.
Speaker 3: He does do that.
Speaker 5: We know that Donald Trump exaggerates, he gets a few
Speaker 5: things wrong, but it is it's missing the point.
Speaker 3: But journalists coming.
Speaker 5: Into the room, they're really focusing on that because they
Speaker 5: want to come out with a story to say that
Speaker 5: Donald Trump is a liar, that Donald Trump is the word. Really,
Speaker 5: Caroline Levett is just so brilliant at highlighting exactly what
Speaker 5: Donald Trump was pointing out. Really that the facts are as,
Speaker 5: that these white crosses were there to mark and honor
Speaker 5: the white farmers that have been killed and just back
Speaker 5: on the view Woopie Goldberg even seemed to suggest that
Speaker 5: the South African president wouldn't want to come back and
Speaker 5: continue meeting with Donald Trump in the future, which is
Speaker 5: absolutely outrageous. When South Africa depends on America for trade.
Speaker 5: America is South Africa's second largest trading partner. I think
Speaker 5: the South African president can handle a heated exchange with
Speaker 5: the President, and so I think, you know, world knit
Speaker 5: leaders are on notice a bit with Donald Trump. They
Speaker 5: know they have to be prepared that anything can happen
Speaker 5: in these sorts of meetings. But Donald Trump is going
Speaker 5: to call out what he thinks is unfair, whether it's
Speaker 5: happening in America or whether it's happening in other countries.
Speaker 5: But you know, with Caroline Lebott being so brilliant and
Speaker 5: so articulate at really a driving home what is the
Speaker 5: most important message and what journalists should really be focused on.
Speaker 5: It's interesting because that it really speaks, I think to
Speaker 5: how why Americans seem to have lost a lot of
Speaker 5: trust in the media when there are journalists going into
Speaker 5: the White House, into the over offers and that, oh
Speaker 5: the press briefing room, I should say, and they're just
Speaker 5: so desperate to try and get on Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: We've definitely got a lot of work to build that
Speaker 1: trust back. But Gabrielle Power, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining us. We'll be back shortly and stick around because
Speaker 1: when we return, we talk all things ABC with media
Speaker 1: watchdog columnist Jared Henderson. Welcome back. Joining me now as
Speaker 1: he does each and every week, is Sky News Australia's
Speaker 1: Media watchdog columnist Jared Henderson, Jared, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us now this grab that we've got here
Speaker 1: from this bridge of Brennan into me, I could not
Speaker 1: believe this. So when you've highlighted this to me, let's
Speaker 1: have a listen.
Speaker 4: But real sweep from there's going to be more and
Speaker 4: more and more of it.
Speaker 7: Lukeris Bender speaking of against it, I think she's been
Speaker 7: quite strong.
Speaker 9: So perhaps the influence of the Independence will be strong
Speaker 9: on these issues, but they certainly want broad scale financial
Speaker 9: and touching it wrong.
Speaker 1: Jared Bridgard Brennan thinks a Legras spender has been quite strong.
Speaker 1: That shows me that's so unlike the ABC. That's sort
Speaker 1: of a plug.
Speaker 13: Give me a plug to the teals. Whoever would have
Speaker 13: thought so? But you know, when parliament resumes in July
Speaker 13: late July, she'd have one seat out of one hundred
Speaker 13: and fifty and bridgerd Brittan saying watch her. I mean
Speaker 13: the Tales weren't important in the last parliament, not in
Speaker 13: the reps. They're not in the Senate. They weren't important
Speaker 13: in the Reps because they never got into minority government
Speaker 13: and this time Labour's got a majority of over forty.
Speaker 13: So the idea that Prime Minister Albanese is going to
Speaker 13: be looking around to the tills to hear what they
Speaker 13: want to say on tax or super is just ludicrous.
Speaker 13: Bridget Brennan couldn't help herself. She had to sort of
Speaker 13: give them a plug somehow, so she managed to get
Speaker 13: it in, which is quite an achievement really.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I mean, you know, the ABC is always
Speaker 1: talking about diversity targets, etc. And I think to a
Speaker 1: degree that's a noble pursuit, but there's not much diversity
Speaker 1: of opinion there and you get the same people, the
Speaker 1: same voices. They're all center left progressive voices.
Speaker 13: It's a lack of viewpoint diversity. They've got all these
Speaker 13: other diversities, they're replete with them, but viewpoint diversity is
Speaker 13: the one issue that the new chairman, Kim Williams never addresses,
Speaker 13: has not addressed. He's addressed other issues, but not that
Speaker 13: the new managing director hasn't said much at all yet.
Speaker 13: But I mean it's the case where the staff run
Speaker 13: the joint and they're all on the left basically, and
Speaker 13: if they're not, they don't tell anyone.
Speaker 1: Well, Another person who meets that is Ben Hart, who's
Speaker 1: a journalist. Yes, and we've got a very interesting grab
Speaker 1: about Joe Biden where he's kind of made some realizations.
Speaker 1: Let's have a listen.
Speaker 9: And I think you've had collectively from both side of
Speaker 9: the politics, Democrats and Republicans.
Speaker 4: Going wait a minute.
Speaker 9: And then you've had even a Democrat advisor, one who
Speaker 9: was a senior advisor during COVID, who's also on a
Speaker 9: collegist saying, oh, yeah, he had it for seven years.
Speaker 9: So I think it's read the whole conversation has really
Speaker 9: turned and that there's a really serious conversation in America.
Speaker 1: Did he have it from the start? You know? And
Speaker 1: this is not just the Fox News cranks.
Speaker 9: This is like across the putt in the spectrum, really
Speaker 9: serious questions about you know, what looks like conspiracy.
Speaker 1: So Ben Hart, he's a former journalist from the age
Speaker 1: and he runs his own agency. Now you can see
Speaker 1: how some of these people think about ideas. They don't
Speaker 1: consider something on first principles or on the merit of evidence.
Speaker 1: For example, Joe Biden, just looking at him and listening
Speaker 1: to him, it was quite obvious he was cognitively impaired.
Speaker 1: He needs the Democrats and he needs both sides to
Speaker 1: admit it, otherwise it doesn't exist. And a few quips
Speaker 1: in there about Fox News and cranks, etc. What do
Speaker 1: you make of this?
Speaker 13: But he goes to Jack Taper. But at the time
Speaker 13: DEPSI and then journalist, he denied it. He's now apologized
Speaker 13: for denying it. But it's believing what you want to believe.
Speaker 13: They journalists on the left didn't want to believe that
Speaker 13: Biden had met serious medical problems. Any who watched Sky
Speaker 13: News in Australia or Fox News in the United States
Speaker 13: knew it because they saw the clippings. But if you
Speaker 13: watch the ABC, you wouldn't know it because they didn't
Speaker 13: play the clippings. And then so what he says is, well,
Speaker 13: you know, we don't rely on Fox News or how
Speaker 13: he describes Fox News as as cranks. But if he
Speaker 13: listened to the cranks, he'd be better informed than listening
Speaker 13: to his mates.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'd rather be a crank if it means I'm correct.
Speaker 1: Moving on though, We've got a quick grab from Sally Sarah.
Speaker 1: Let's have to listen and Nikore, Welcome to Radio National Breakfast.
Speaker 13: Good morning, Good morning, Australia, and I'm very happy to
Speaker 13: report we had a similar result to what you had.
Speaker 1: We have a rejection of the far right in Romania
Speaker 1: and what do you make of these results? Yeah. So
Speaker 1: one of the things makes me actually quite angry about
Speaker 1: this is, and I spoke earlier on the show, I
Speaker 1: think Donald trum was very wrong to use the word
Speaker 1: genocide to discuss what's happening in South Africa doesn't meet
Speaker 1: the threshold. Far right has very specific connotations. It's people
Speaker 1: that think that the disabled should be culled. It's this
Speaker 1: racial superiority viewpoint. It's not somebody that maybe is uncomfortable
Speaker 1: with slightly high levels of immigration, and they are perverting
Speaker 1: that concept to associate a twenty body who's center right.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's reprehensible, but.
Speaker 13: It is in particularly as a certain connotation in Central
Speaker 13: Europe as well, because of the history of that part
Speaker 13: of the world. But George Simon, I mean, he wants
Speaker 13: he wants to invade Moldova, he wants to take it
Speaker 13: over for Romania, he wants to invade parts of Ukraine.
Speaker 13: So we're going to say that's far right, then Peter
Speaker 13: Dutton should be talking about invading New Zealand or part
Speaker 13: of Papua New Guinea. I mean, these comments are just
Speaker 13: ludicrous and I can understand why a Romanian member of
Speaker 13: the European Parliament who's on the left might say this,
Speaker 13: But Sally Sarah has a right to correct it or
Speaker 13: to challenge it.
Speaker 1: Well, she's an obligation.
Speaker 13: Well an obligation, yeah, I agree with that, but she doesn't.
Speaker 13: So people think, oh, well, I mean this extremist in
Speaker 13: Romania is just like Peter Dutton. Well that's just wayfully fault.
Speaker 13: If you look at the last election, there wasn't a
Speaker 13: great deal between the parties and policy in any rate.
Speaker 13: I mean, there was no far right candidate unless you
Speaker 13: want to believe what you want to believe, which a
Speaker 13: Cili Sara does, which is to somehow equate Peter Dutton with.
Speaker 6: The far right.
Speaker 13: But he's nothing like the far right.
Speaker 1: It should be offensive to anybody that knows anything about
Speaker 1: what historical far right parties have done and where that
Speaker 1: word needs to be reserved. Jared Henderson, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for your inside Anarchy analysis. As always. Now that's
Speaker 1: all the time that we have for this evening, But
Speaker 1: up next is Newsnight,