WEBVTT - The Media Show | 23 May 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:05.200 This is the Media Show with Jack Outing, Hello and 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:08.320 welcome to the Media Show. Tonight we discussed fallout from 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:12.520 Donald Trump's controversial South Africa press conference, and later on 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:16.239 we sit down with Media watchdog columnist Jared Henderson. But 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.280 first big news this week with the coalitions splitting apart. 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:22.000 But when it seemed that differences could maybe be put 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:25.480 aside and the parties could potentially return, the press pack 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:26.320 got fired up. 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:34.880 Seeing the van enough. 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:40.159 But at the ABC, their star reporter Patricia Carvellis was 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:47.599 furious that she, a woman, didn't have the spotlight take 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:49.520 a question. I feel like there's a lot of blokes 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:50.560 that have been asking questions. 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:53.080 Be nice if I could ask the question, Tricia Carvellos. 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:53.320 Thank you very much. 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:58.440 Carvellis was suggesting that the Nationals were being sexist and 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:02.280 only allowing men to ask a question. And was it true. 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:03.320 I don't know. 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:05.000 So you're getting back together? 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.959 No, this all our time, the. 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:11.319 Announcement of these portfolio allocations. 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:12.880 You can see that you've got. 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:13.120 The gun on. 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:17.000 The analyses like nuclear are have got to go through 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.080 the legal party there under review, are about to be 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:20.040 under review. 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:20.840 The subject to review. 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:22.960 If it is a no, what then. 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:27.119 Why was this decision made with haste on Tuesday? 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:28.759 One person and McKenzie if. 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:34.319 We can, And not only was it not true, but 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:36.840 Carvellis doesn't even follow her own logic. 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:39.440 I've just observed this. 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:41.600 I'd actually like to ask you, David Little Proud, actually 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:42.360 get at mine. 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:47.600 So let's break this down. Carvellos falsely slanders the politicians 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:50.200 as being sexist, and then when she has the chance 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:53.720 to ask a question, she tells the senior female politician 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.640 to get out of the road because Carvellos would rather 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.680 talk to a man instead. And David Little Proud had 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.880 already taken dozens of questions, but mackenzie had just stepped 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:06.480 forward for a few moments when Carvellis dismissed her what 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:11.079 a mess, lies, attention seeking, temper tantrums and most importantly, 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:17.280 not a shred of journalism. Well joining me now for 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.880 this and more. As Sky News contributor James Bolt, I mean, 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:24.760 it's just so typical of their ABC to make it 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:27.160 all about them. But the real issue with this is 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.119 it wasn't even grounded in reality. And I actually would 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:33.320 be much more forgiving if it was the case that 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.120 women were being pushed aside and there were only blokes 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.959 asking questions, and there was this happening, but it was 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.399 all in her head. She just confected this. 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.320 Well, I actually feel a bit sorry for Patricia Carrvellis 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.440 here because she is Patricia carl Bellis right, She's gone 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.000 to a press pack. This is beneath her and she 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.359 walks in. She'd be expecting a hush to just come 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:54.880 over the room, all these journals looking nervously around like 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:58.280 oh here she's here, and instead like they've got their 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:00.239 own questions. She doesn't know how to do with that 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.320 actually was supposed to ask, like they were all supposed 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.680 to go, well, what does Patricia Carvellis think? So, you know, 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.280 it couldn't possibly be that her influence is starting to 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:08.880 weigh in, or that people don't look up to her 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.919 as much as she once did. So the only answer 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.080 left is that they must have all been sexist, not 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:15.800 wanting a woman to ask a question. 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.040 That must be there is I could I agree there's 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.720 a degree of ego at play here, isn't it? 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:20.880 Well? 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:24.040 I thought, sorry, I thought Bridge McKenzie, Like when Patricia 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.680 Cavellis in that clip goes, you know it's time a 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:30.000 woman ask a question. Bridge McKenzie goes, Patricia carvellis like 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.160 a regal, like everyone can calm down. 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:36.080 She rolls out the red carpet for her. There's also 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.680 that the inconsistency as well. And so I would have 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:41.720 thought from an idy logical point of view, if you 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:46.280 really want diverse viewpoints and the interviewer doesn't matter as 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.360 much as the subject, and so if you want to 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.760 be consistent with that way of thinking, and I think 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.200 it is a I think it's a diabolical way of 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.720 thinking because you're not treating somebody by the substance. You're 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:59.200 putting people into these identitarian baskets. And I think it's 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.640 very problem path to go down. The ABC is obviously 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.520 they're well down that road anyway, So you can see 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:07.680 why she's like that. But wouldn't you want to hear 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.160 from the woman then if you really do care about 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:11.840 diversity and she's just dismissed her. 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.200 Well, let's look at the question and that she asked. 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.200 It was about the timeline for negotiations on the agreement 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.760 and when the shadow Cabinet would be announced, Like that's 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.599 the only question that can really appeal to like the 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.120 elite journalists of the time that's a woman starts as 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:27.480 a female perspective as well. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:29.920 It had already been asked by the way, it had 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.559 been asked and answered, asked and answered by several different people, 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:36.200 including multiple women, And we played the grab of all 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:40.040 those women who were asking questions and Patricia Carvelliser just 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:41.840 I guess erased them from her mind. 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:42.480 They don't matter. 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.000 But yeah, ladies at Bridget Mackenzie, you can't answer that question. 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:46.600 It's the obvious question that. 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:48.960 All of them were exactly. She's in the room. There's 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:50.919 four people in the room, she's one of them. She 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:53.240 could have answered that, but no, she wanted the man 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.200 to take it very telling. Let's move on, though, because 0:04:56.200 --> 0:05:00.120 the coalition split is driving headlines and taking journalists away 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.440 from their core function at a time like this, scrutinizing 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.599 a government with a supermajority, and it is this type 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:10.279 of petty infighting that voters to test and the media loves. 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.520 Liberally to Ted O'Brien on the show last night, and 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.800 he agreed this morning at a courtesy we told him 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:20.400 Matt Canavan was coming on too. All seemed okay, and 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:24.119 then twenty minutes ago his team rang saying he won't 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:25.280 come on with Canadan. 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:27.919 I mean, you can't make it up. It's like maths 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:33.560 the canber Edition. Eventually, Ted O'Brien did finally appear on today, 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:36.159 but you could reach out and touch the tension in 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:36.520 the air. 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:38.000 Well, I'll tell you what. 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:39.240 I'm just going to get out of the way of this 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.040 and let you guys sort it out, because otherwise it's 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:43.720 going to sound too much like a funeral. So if 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:47.719 you want to start, Bridget, I'll start with who caused 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:48.239 the breakup? 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:49.039 Whose fault was it? 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.839 Because Susan Lee disputes your account of the dispute? Do 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:52.479 you dispute that? 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:57.279 Can I just say sorry? Go ahead, Bridge? 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:59.360 Yeah, I think he was asking me a question. 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:00.760 He don't mind. 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.320 And of course it's funny to make these people out 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.160 to be jaded ex lovers because you know, and I 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:10.039 don't begrudge anyone in the media turning this into a joke, 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.479 but it is Australians who suffer when we stop talking 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.919 about a powerful new government and what they're doing to 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:23.760 dissect the drama of those without power. James. That are 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:28.400 awkward moment where Ted O'Brien interjects Carl is loving it 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:30.280 by the way. I thought. He did a brilliant job 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.919 and people will note he kept making maths references and 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.560 obviously that's one of Channel nine's that's their premiere show. 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.000 It's a very clever way to plug it. Oh you know, 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.159 I feel like these politicians have walked into this not 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.520 knowing that he's literally making fun of them, and they're 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:47.200 just walking into it accepting it. 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:47.640 Yeah. 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.480 Well, I think for Ted O'Brien, he dug his own 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:52.279 grave in his sense, like once the story is out 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.760 that you cancel the interview because you were scared of 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:57.839 Matt Canavan, you can't then turn around and go you know, 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:00.640 I'm alwaso scared of Brincea McKenzie and then you look silly. 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:04.320 I loved how bolted on had smile was for Tet O'Brien. 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.920 It was just big smiles, everyone's happy love being with Frigid. 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.840 I get into I accidentally interrupted her and she calls 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.720 me out, still smiling. Like Kyle could have dipped into 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:15.480 the worst story you would have ever seen and come 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.600 back to the panel, tedor Brian would still be smiling. 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.520 But to the point, like I long ago, he gave 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:20.800 up on. 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.400 The idea of politicians actually trying to do their best 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.680 for the general public. So that's a dream that long died. 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:28.360 If they all just want to be you know, these 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:32.520 messy drama queens that live for gossip and high politics 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.120 like this, I'm all for it. It's more entertaining, Like 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:36.640 what else are we going to do? We follow the 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.120 fund in the media where natural sticky bakers, Prime Minister 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:42.720 Albinezy having productive talks with the Singapore and PM on 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:46.360 the way back to Australia. Important bit dull tedtor Brian 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:48.800 Canceling an interview with Minutes to Spare. 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:50.760 That's interesting. I want to see that story. 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.600 Yeah, there's another element to this as well, with the leaks, 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:57.000 and there's letters and text messages that are flying and 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.280 if you watch that, and I spoke about the tension 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.440 in the read there for a little bit about being 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:06.640 able to feel that tension. These people do not like 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.800 each other right now, and I'm really struggling to see 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:11.480 how they're going to be able to get over that 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.160 hurdle of just even being able to be polite. When 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:18.280 you've got media teams that are just leaking text messages, alerts. 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:22.880 It doesn't play for constructive media interviews. 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.360 No, because the media now has a narrative which is 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.520 correct that they do not like it's true, and it's 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.560 frosty in there, and you just think, like if you 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:33.520 were a member of the Liberal and National head on 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:37.520 Joe's twenty nineteen, you'll lose because people were just hating 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:39.920 each other, like openly Scott Morrison getting called out in 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.840 the Senate himself by Liberal senators this. 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:43.360 One as well. 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.079 You know, you get the leagues out, like people felt 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.520 sidelined in the campaign, people weren' getting briefed on their 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:52.800 own ministerial portfolios. People felt that couldn't go on media. 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.880 So you go, that's two losses in a row, partly 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.240 caused by the fact that we are publicly not getting 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.760 along and also privately not along. So within it two 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:05.760 weeks that blowing up your bag not getting along, you're 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:07.600 just constantly getting in your own way. 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.760 It's just and while they're doing this, they're not acting 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.720 as an opposition and then that's where Australians suffer. And 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.160 I think journos as well. I mean, these people are 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.720 I said maybe last week or the week before that 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.400 it was a dying party or I stand by that. 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:26.560 I think effectively, they're incapacitated. They can't do anything. Three 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:31.240 to six years minimum, cannot do a thing. The media's 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.320 focus is essentially on an impotent political movement. They can't 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:37.959 do anything when you've got a very powerful, very powerful 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:42.040 prime minister with a sweeping mandate to do all sorts 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:45.280 of things. Have made very bold promises on cost of living, 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:48.200 bold promises on how many houses would be built on 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:52.440 energy prices, and I feel like our colleagues, we're not 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:54.720 looking in the right area. We're looking at this theater 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.280 and it's wholly irrelevant, but like, at. 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.640 The same time, it's what the public wants. Like publics 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:03.160 just like hearing about the gossipy drama stuff, and. 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.000 The opposition did it to themselves. 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.280 Did it to themselves soorry to the point where you 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.880 said that there's not much they can do. There is 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:14.360 like labor had a huge mandate. The last time they 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:16.079 could have done anything they want. They couldn't get the 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.960 voice across. And that wasn't because of you know, politicking, 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:22.360 that was just because the opposition united behind no you 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:25.480 think like super tacks, right, we're all talking about that 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.240 at Sky News. People aren't talking about that on the street. 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.320 That could be the next thing that, through sheer will 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:32.959 of public power, labor. 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.160 Has to get their hands off because it becomes toxic. 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.280 But it's not because the Liberals and Nationals are too 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.000 busy fighting each other, right and then be united, making 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.200 themselves not the story and allowing the story to go 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:43.880 back to what the government wants to do. 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.160 Yeah, I agree, Well we'll follow it closely. But now 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.200 to the ABC and its former chair Ida Butchros, who 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.520 has racked up a three thousand, six hundred dollars bill 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:55.440 for luxury car travel in just twelve months. The Australian 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.559 broke the story and then followed it up to reveal 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:00.760 that the Media Union was outraged and what a statement 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:05.400 they released. The board must stop disrespecting the public and 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:10.880 ABC staff by treating the broadcaster as its plaything. Now, James, 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.319 this is a really interesting story because at the ABC 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:17.840 there's internal policies to not be wasteful over travel, and 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.000 luxury traveler is one of those things that's an absolute 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.480 no no. It's beyond public expectations that people would use 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:27.560 funds that way. The chair isn't bound by that. So 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.760 Ida Butcher's her argument, and it's true. She can do it. Yeah, 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:33.319 should she though, is another question? 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:35.240 Well, that's the thing, so maybe in the letter of 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.559 the law, Yeah, she's not ABC stuff. I know that's 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.880 what she refers to in that article. But from a 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:44.199 public perspective, when the public are paying you two hundred 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:46.439 thousand dollars a year to run the ABC, you are, 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.839 in a sense and employee of the ABC responsible to us. 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.720 And I just go, like, the problem with this is 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:56.040 every issue we have with the ABC comes back down 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.480 to two things. Either one, they're way too biased or 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.200 to they're wasting our money. Now, if that's the culture 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:05.000 that permeates at the top of just yeah, but you 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.000 know all these rises that we're getting instead of Uber, 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.080 instead of me driving myself, If that's the culture at 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.959 the top, how do you then go? Okay, rank and file, 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.040 you guys need to stop wasting money. The rank and 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:18.680 file should rightly go you first, and the threats become 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:22.160 so hollow from the top to the bottom when that's happening. 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:25.000 And then the second one, you guys need to rain 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.400 in the bias. Well, if you're not grounding yourselves in 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.640 glory at the top, why should we ground ourselves in 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.640 glory at the bottom, Like what why bother us changing 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:33.640 if you're not going to change. 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:37.200 So yeah, and the media union elements interesting as well 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:42.319 because they're frosty ever since the Antoinette Latoof matter, and 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:45.480 I actually agree that what they did to Antoinette Latoof 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:47.120 they shouldn't have done. I don't think she should have 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:51.760 been hired, but watching that defamation case, the reasons that 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:57.120 they gave for dismissing her were absolutely outrageous and that 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:01.040 no body should, no statutory body should operating like that. 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.959 The union there is a grudge and the Australian's article 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.720 kind of hinted at that that there is this tension. 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.840 I mean that is a nightmare situation for the ABC, 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:13.720 where normally the union would probably be a little bit 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:17.400 more sympathetic towards the ABC and journalists and attacks from 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:21.040 the outside. Now they're the ones who are pushing it forward. 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.560 Well because they've got the natural enemy, Like they're not 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:25.719 pulling the rows in the same direction when you talk 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:29.480 about the ABC top and bottom, So why would you 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.599 try and change anything you're doing if the board is 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:34.280 saying that you need a rule in line, if they're 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:35.280 not pulling themselves in line. 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:36.080 Yeah, agree. 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:38.800 Now, let's check in with the Guardian to see how 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:41.720 it is holding the new Labor government to account at. 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:45.640 Tax targeting grandma's attacks, robbing your kids of inheritance, attacks 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:48.520 that will force hard working Aussies to sell their farm. 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.720 So with all of these headlines, this proposed change to 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:56.000 the superannuation tax must be a massive disastrous deal, right, 0:13:56.400 --> 0:14:01.000 Well not really. Here's what's actually going on. So in 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:05.000 Australia we store our retirement money in super funds which 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:07.800 invest that money and help it grow over time. Now, 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.960 the amount you earn from that investment is taxed each year, 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:15.400 but at a way discountered rate compared to most regular 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:22.080 income tax, just fifteen percent, and this discount overwhelmingly benefits 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:22.960 wealthy people. 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.080 Now, James, I think the Guardian is going to struggle 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:29.640 under this new government from a readership point of view, 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.360 because it pitches itself and if you look to down 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.640 the bottom where they beg for donations, they're always saying 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:36.960 we hold power to account and you know, wear an 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:40.160 independent voice and we don't have billionaire owners, and it's 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.440 all very kind of lofty, you know, conjecture about how 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.760 morally superior they are to every other journalist in the country. 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:51.640 Then they go and produce videos that are basically propaganda 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:56.120 clips about how good a powerful government's new policy is 0:14:56.720 --> 0:15:01.120 at taking money which is unrealized gains, and it's it 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.120 is this kind of explain a trying to convince young 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:09.840 people of this class warfare between these rich elites who 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.800 are taking You're poor and they're rich, and all labor 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.040 is doing is just trying to take a little bit 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.680 of that money and give it back. It's just so 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:19.160 nauseating it is. 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.520 And to be like, you know, they're asking for donations. 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.200 I'm sure after that beautiful piece of product of propaganda, 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:25.880 I'm sure Jim Jalmons is going to be kicking in 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:27.119 a couple hundred bucks. 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.320 To it had forty one likes. I'm probably the only 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:30.200 one that watched it to. 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.320 Be fine, nor two people because I also watched it. 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:34.800 And if you, if you through sheer tyranny of will 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.120 get to the end of that video. She does admit 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.920 that twenty two year olds on average ages will be affected, 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:43.280 but how is that not the main story? Like, twenty 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.640 two year olds on average wages are your audience when 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:46.720 you make videos. 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.440 Like she did it as a qualifier at the end. 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.360 Yeah exactly, but like that's your audience. 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.200 Like if you go like, okay, I need to spin 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.000 my sweater around three point sixty to make people watch 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.520 a video about economics, why didn't you start off with Hey, 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.920 you know you might be told that this is just 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.880 going after millionaire grandparents, but it's actually going to affect 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:04.240 you down the line to pay attention. 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:05.120 This is your money. 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:07.160 And then the other point, if I can make a 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:10.800 broader societal point here, what happens to aspiration? What happens 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.720 like this said, you know, unrealized capital gang stacks. 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.120 Ah, that's just millionaires that will never affect me. Like 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.160 why don't you believe that you could be a millionaire 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:18.480 one day? 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.040 Why don't you believe that anything that happens to the 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.440 top ten percent could one day happen to you? Like 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.360 why why do people sell themselves short like that? 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:29.800 Yeah, James Bolt, thank you so much for your thoughts. 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:32.640 Really appreciate it. Quick break, But when we return, we'll 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:42.600 discuss the US media. Welcome back to Stars and Gripes, 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:47.360 where we expose the activists masquerading as journalists. And there 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.200 is a lot of that this week, and much of 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.400 its centers around the issue of dozens of white farmers 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:54.600 in South Africa being slaughtered every year. 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:57.600 Just put this on. It's right behind you. 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:26.000 Yeah you we don't care to. 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.400 I wonder you are see what your son it is? Well, 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:32.800 I can do that. Look, here's burial site all over 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.119 the place. You're all these are all white farmers that 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.439 are being buried. Well, that was US President Donald Trump 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:42.600 confronting the President of South Africa, Cyril Ramafosa, with concerns 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:46.840 about the sheer number of white farmers being massacred every year. Now, 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:48.359 I do want to make the point that I do 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:52.159 not think that genocide is accurate here. That work has 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:55.720 specific connotations and needs to meet a high threshold. And 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.240 just because people on the left want to water down 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:01.199 the meaning of words to as their political goals, it 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:04.720 does not mean that conservatives should fall into the same trap. 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:08.639 Having said that, whether or not these killings meet the 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.200 definition of genocide is not really the point. The point 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:15.080 is that a group of people which shared racial backgrounds 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:18.520 are being killed in large numbers, and some journalists in 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.919 the media are trying to either justify this horror or 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:25.160 insist it simply isn't happening. And that is a shock 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.359 to us here in Australia because this issue has mainstream acceptance. 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:31.840 We have taken in farmers fleeing horror, we have reported 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:36.080 on their stories, and we know these people exist. You 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:36.520 know what. 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:42.160 I'm so grateful that you know, finally this is being 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:46.760 heard and that you know, President Trump has brought it up, 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:50.760 because when we moved to Australia four and a half 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:54.760 years ago, you know, it felt like nobody was listening. 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:59.639 So it really is. I'm thrilled that it is coming 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.280 art into the open and that the world is now 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.600 going to see what's really happening in South Africa. 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.199 Well, joining me on the desk is Gabriella Power, the 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:15.879 host of Power Hour, one of Sky's most watch shows. Jack, 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:17.760 thank you for having me, Well, thanks for joining us 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:21.119 on the desk. Now, this issue of white farmers, and 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.200 I think Donald Trump he does this thing where he 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:28.280 kind of he makes mistakes or he maybe over exaggerates 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:31.520 or over states a position, which then allows the media 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:35.440 to sweep the whole issue away. And that's what he does. 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.119 But I think as journalists we should be able to 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:40.520 still look at the issue acknowledge that maybe there was 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:44.320 an error in how something was stated, and the clip 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.280 we just played there of this woman and Kieran Gilbert 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:50.359 did that interview this week, and we've spoken to her 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:54.000 many times on Sky News. These people exist, and I'm 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:57.119 really uncomfortable with this push by some journalists in the 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:02.080 media to either downplay the stories or turn them into 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:06.879