Speaker 1: I get a team Patrick and Craig Harper reporting in
Speaker 1: for Judy. I'm not sure who Judy is. She's not here,
Speaker 1: neither is Tiff, so it's just us too. And you're
Speaker 1: already shaking your head at my terrible sense of humor.
Speaker 1: Straight off the.
Speaker 2: Bat, I'm the one sitting here with a dog on
Speaker 2: my lap, so you could at least say Fritz is
Speaker 2: here with this as well. He's not well.
Speaker 1: I mean, if it was, if we were telling, I
Speaker 1: would say hello. But I've said hello to him already.
Speaker 1: But Fritz is Fritz is bigger than I thought. Fritz
Speaker 1: is sitting on Patrick's lap. Fritz, of course is that's
Speaker 1: going to say something silly. But of course he's your dog,
Speaker 1: who is a shnout.
Speaker 2: He said, he's bigger than you thought. You've met him
Speaker 2: so many times.
Speaker 1: By no, but he just I always think he's like
Speaker 1: little Maltese terrier size, but he's not. He's like double that.
Speaker 1: And he's got a big fucking scone too. But there's
Speaker 1: a lot of hair hanging off it. The opposite, it
Speaker 1: looks like one of those old guys. It sits up
Speaker 1: in the stalls in the Muppets, you know, those two
Speaker 1: old dudes. He does look like one of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got epic eyebrows and a beard.
Speaker 1: It does. Indeed. How I am house things up in
Speaker 1: the rural confines.
Speaker 2: Well, I've taken my first break in sixteen years in January,
Speaker 2: so I'm kind of just at the tail end of
Speaker 2: a break. I've done lots of stuff, just hanging with friends.
Speaker 2: I got a projector over the Black Friday sales a
Speaker 2: little while ago, and you know, you take a bit
Speaker 2: of a gamble on those sales, you know, the half
Speaker 2: priced sales, and I thought, you know what, I want
Speaker 2: to buy a projector so I can project it on
Speaker 2: the wall and watch movies with my friends. John Wick
Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff, you know, bigger stuff.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have picked you as a John Wick man.
Speaker 1: I love John Wick.
Speaker 2: Yeah me too. We're up. We're I've got a couple
Speaker 2: of friends who bring their dogs as well, and we're
Speaker 2: going to watch John Wick four tonight. We're up to
Speaker 2: number four. But I took a hunt and bought a
Speaker 2: Chinese projector. Don't ask me what it's called the brand,
Speaker 2: because I can't pronounce it. And it ended up for
Speaker 2: a really inexpensive amount of money. I got this really
Speaker 2: great projector. I was very surprised. Okay, so here's the
Speaker 2: problem with what you just said. I didn't tell you
Speaker 2: what brand is because I can't rememe what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're the tech guy and you come on
Speaker 1: and you go, I got this great product. I can't
Speaker 1: tell you the name. I mean, bad, isn't it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, true. I could have researched it first
Speaker 2: and jumped on. But I didn't realize I was talking
Speaker 2: about my projector until like this very second, until.
Speaker 1: You started talking about your projector. That was kind of
Speaker 1: on me when hey, when you say projector, So this
Speaker 1: is just to play. So this is not where you
Speaker 1: can project Free to Wear TV up on the wall.
Speaker 2: This is you can Well, I don't watch Free to
Speaker 2: Wear TV. I'm watched in twenty years. But I can
Speaker 2: plug in my Google Chrome cast and you know, I
Speaker 2: can watch streaming services and stuff like that. You can
Speaker 2: watch ABC, I view and all. I mean, these days
Speaker 2: you don't really need to watch freedom are do? You?
Speaker 2: Just kind of really so that ABC what the.
Speaker 1: What the kids called traditional media or mainstream media. It's
Speaker 1: kind of kind of dying a little bit, isn't it.
Speaker 2: The key point is that the kids don't call traditional media.
Speaker 2: It's the oldies that call traditional media. Is it the
Speaker 2: kids are streaming because the kids don't watch television.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're the oldies. I think it's the
Speaker 1: ones in the middle, because my folks are definitely not
Speaker 1: calling it traditional media. They're just calling it the telly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: True. Now it's funny, isn't it. You know? I wonder
Speaker 2: what the landscape is going to look like in ten
Speaker 2: years time because the likes of radio and TV. I mean,
Speaker 2: no one wants to watch ads anymore. A movie that's
Speaker 2: broken up into one hundred pieces. Can you imagine watching
Speaker 2: a movie and they're having to take a break every
Speaker 2: ten minutes?
Speaker 1: Well, and even like, even if there is something on
Speaker 1: the telly that I want to watch, I record it
Speaker 1: and then watch it later.
Speaker 2: And then can you just skip past?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you skipped the ads?
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you watch your one hour of There's a
Speaker 1: show on Channel ten on Monday nights called Mattlock, which
Speaker 1: is actually quite a good show. It's got I think
Speaker 1: it's Kathy Bates, remember that lady from Misery. Speaking of
Speaker 1: good movies, she's in it, and she's great, and it's great.
Speaker 1: It's a really good show. It's just, you know, one
Speaker 1: of those things where you don't have to overly focus
Speaker 1: and you just put your brain on the coffee table
Speaker 1: for an hour and just relax and it's good. It's
Speaker 1: just entertainment. But if you watch it without the ads,
Speaker 1: it's like thirty eight to forty minutes versus and like,
Speaker 1: who on earth would go? You know what, I want
Speaker 1: to look at ads for twenty minutes and you don't,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm with you. I wonder what. I wonder
Speaker 1: what the media landscape will look like in ten years,
Speaker 1: because at the moment, like twelve months is a long time,
Speaker 1: like it's evolving rapidly.
Speaker 2: It is constantly, and you know, you know that. I'm
Speaker 2: a big doptor of VR. I love having my Virtual
Speaker 2: reality headset on and you know, you can put on.
Speaker 2: It's funny. I've got this projector, which is great that
Speaker 2: projects onto a screen, but I've also got a VR headset.
Speaker 2: If I'm by myself, I'll just put the VR headset
Speaker 2: on and I've got the biggest screen you'll ever see,
Speaker 2: you know, like sitting at a drive in theater anyone
Speaker 2: knows about anymore.
Speaker 1: I wonder what that is. I wonder what when you've
Speaker 1: got those VR goggles on and you're watching a movie
Speaker 1: with goggles on, I wonder what that is the equivalent
Speaker 1: of in terms of dimensions of screen, if you were, say,
Speaker 1: sitting on a couch fifteen feet from a wall or
Speaker 1: ten feet from a wall. Bit like one hundred inch TV,
Speaker 1: I reckon.
Speaker 2: Two hundred easily. Really well, you can scale it so
Speaker 2: you can choose how big you want it to be.
Speaker 2: You can be in a virtual lounges, lounge room, or
Speaker 2: a virtual cinema. You can even choose what sort of cinema,
Speaker 2: So if you want an art deco cinema as opposed
Speaker 2: to the bridge of the Starship Enterprise, you can choose
Speaker 2: whatever you know your environment is, and then also choose
Speaker 2: the size of the screen. It's pretty amazing. But you
Speaker 2: know what's going to be really funny, and you'll see this.
Speaker 2: You do a lot more plane travel than I do.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen anybody wearing a headset on an
Speaker 2: aeroplane now like they are and doing VR and gaming?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah. The guy sitting next to me on
Speaker 1: the way to Brisbane who was watching porn. That didn't
Speaker 1: work out well anyway.
Speaker 2: Did I say something that's the biggest and most snobby
Speaker 2: thing that you'd ever imagine. Well, of course, quite often
Speaker 2: on a plane I put headsets on that I actually
Speaker 2: listen to anything. I just have the headset on because
Speaker 2: then people don't talk to you.
Speaker 1: That is, that is Why are you like that? You're
Speaker 1: a very chatty kathy? Why why would you do that?
Speaker 2: Because I sometimes just need space. But when you're stuck
Speaker 2: next to somebody for in an ordinate amount of time,
Speaker 2: particularly if you know them, No I'm kidding, no, But
Speaker 2: if you're stuck on a plane and you get you know,
Speaker 2: you get into those conversations and sometimes I just need
Speaker 2: space just to meditate or you know, I get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been asked. I mean I've had a lot
Speaker 1: of flights, but I've been asked, I don't know a
Speaker 1: hundred times, what do you do you know? As in
Speaker 1: And usually it's a dude, to be honest, not many.
Speaker 1: I don't know why that is. I mean I've been
Speaker 1: asked by women. But you know, when you're just sitting
Speaker 1: end up chatting neck sitting next to someone and chatting
Speaker 1: about not much, and they're like, what do you do?
Speaker 1: I don't really know what's tell them, but I reckon.
Speaker 1: At least twenty times I've said, what do you think
Speaker 1: I do? What's your best guess? Everyone comes military or policeman.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Wait a minute. So really that's what
Speaker 2: people ask you when you're in first class.
Speaker 1: You're an idiot. I'm up the back, I'm up the
Speaker 1: bloody cheaps. I used to I tell you what. My
Speaker 1: first couple of trips, I went to the States when
Speaker 1: smoking was still allowed up the back of the plane
Speaker 1: because clearly, you know, once you go from row twenty
Speaker 1: where there's no smoking, to row twenty one, where there
Speaker 1: is smoking, there's a magical smoke exclusion screen, and that
Speaker 1: smoke couldn't possibly transfer to the row in front.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when we were kids, my first trip overseas was
Speaker 2: to go to Malta with my mum, and mum took
Speaker 2: us over there and we're flying on an Ala Talia
Speaker 2: jet and I reckon. It took a lot of work
Speaker 2: to get that plane up in the sky. It was
Speaker 2: really screaming its lungsid really and we were in the
Speaker 2: row that separated us from smoking. We passive smoked the
Speaker 2: entire trip of the.
Speaker 1: Age of ten. By the time you got to Europe,
Speaker 1: you had lung cancer. I want to ask you one
Speaker 1: question before we jump into your list. The other day
Speaker 1: I was at I don't know JB Hi Fi. I
Speaker 1: think it was buying some shit and there was one
Speaker 1: hundred inch TV and I'm thinking, yeah, this is just
Speaker 1: like stupid now. And also it seems to me inefficient
Speaker 1: to be building screens that big, and to like, I
Speaker 1: think that actual physical TVs the way that we have
Speaker 1: them as in screens are going to be redundant, and
Speaker 1: that there will be I don't know, almost like I
Speaker 1: picture some kind of fine almost thin like almost paper thin,
Speaker 1: or a little like a little bit like one or
Speaker 1: two millimeters that will just sit up on the wall
Speaker 1: rather than a big physical screen that's like two centimeters thick.
Speaker 1: Or if they refine the projection thing to a point
Speaker 1: where you know that what do you call it the clarity?
Speaker 2: What do we call that? The resolution? Is you know,
Speaker 2: comparable to Oh, it is there? No, it's absolutely there.
Speaker 2: That The issue with projectors and screens has always been
Speaker 2: the ambient light that's in the room. But you can
Speaker 2: now get and exactly what you're talking about. So projector
Speaker 2: at one end, but you have a not a filament,
Speaker 2: but you've got a very thin screen that sticks to
Speaker 2: the wall. But it's got micro lenses on the front
Speaker 2: of it. And so the way it works is ambient
Speaker 2: light gets reflected away and the actual projector light gets
Speaker 2: bounced straight in front of you. So when you think
Speaker 2: about it in those terms, it makes the screen look
Speaker 2: fully clear, fully bright high rears, but the ambient light
Speaker 2: around coming from windows and everywhere else is reflected elsewhere,
Speaker 2: so it makes it look like a normal TV. So
Speaker 2: you pay a lot for those sorts of screens. They're
Speaker 2: not just a cheap fabric you've gone down to spotlight
Speaker 2: or you know, or just normal paint. But they do
Speaker 2: reflect in a certain way to take the ambient light
Speaker 2: away and only have the direct light from the projector
Speaker 2: pointing at you.
Speaker 1: Hmm, I reckon. In the not too distant future, children
Speaker 1: we like, hey, have a look at this this, have
Speaker 1: a look at this picture or this image. That's called
Speaker 1: a television. They used to have those, how fuck an archaic,
Speaker 1: these big clunky things hanging on a wall.
Speaker 2: But the one hundred inch that you were talking about
Speaker 2: these days. What staggers me is remember the old plasmas
Speaker 2: where you'd cripple yourself trying to get it up onto.
Speaker 1: A wall or oh yeah, you're so.
Speaker 2: Heavy, and now they almost are paper thing. There was
Speaker 2: I think it might have been LG. I don't want
Speaker 2: to go into the do too much detail because it
Speaker 2: might not have been, but I think it was LG
Speaker 2: came up with a roll up screen and it came up.
Speaker 2: It was a rectangle. It looked just like a little
Speaker 2: box that's sat on the ground, and then this came
Speaker 2: up behind it and rolled up. So you know, screens
Speaker 2: have got amazingly thin. The resolution's fantastic, they look brilliant,
Speaker 2: and blacks are true black. So that's always been the
Speaker 2: test of a good screen, whether a black is a
Speaker 2: true black color or a kind of a gray or
Speaker 2: a deep gray, and that makes a lot of difference
Speaker 2: for the depth perception and how it really looks. But
Speaker 2: I know I've talked about this many times, and you
Speaker 2: can do it with my current VR headset. But my
Speaker 2: vision for watching stuff, particularly if you're by yourself, is
Speaker 2: to be wearing your normal glasses and have the screen
Speaker 2: hovering in front of you. Because it's projected onto the
Speaker 2: glasses that you're wearing, augmented reality.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I don't want to take a dark turn
Speaker 1: with this, but this is I just found this tragic
Speaker 1: and sad and interesting. So do you remember, very recently
Speaker 1: as we record, I guess it would be a week
Speaker 1: ago or less, what happened in New Orleans in the
Speaker 1: French Quarter with you don't watch the news, but there
Speaker 1: was so there was a guy who rented an F
Speaker 1: one fifty truck who just drove into a crowd of
Speaker 1: people mate and and killed all these people and hurt
Speaker 1: all these people, like absolutely tragic and terrible. Did you
Speaker 1: hear about that at all?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so but do you know they so obviously after
Speaker 1: that and I think he was shot dead, but then
Speaker 1: they did all this, you know, digging into who he
Speaker 1: was and his motivation and affiliation and all of this.
Speaker 1: And do you know how he did his recon like
Speaker 1: he did his he went and did his planning and
Speaker 1: scoping out and he had some of those glasses. I
Speaker 1: had won't so which brand because I might get it wrong,
Speaker 1: so but obviously it's not the but yes, he had
Speaker 1: those video glasses where he just walked through the area
Speaker 1: that he was going to commit this heinous crime, and
Speaker 1: so he didn't have to walk through vi per se overtly,
Speaker 1: and he walked through with these glasses on, took all
Speaker 1: this footage or this video footage of where he was
Speaker 1: to check out where all the bollards and barriers and
Speaker 1: so he could do the most damage. And yeah, he
Speaker 1: actually used those glasses that we've talked talked about quite recently.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I was playing around with a VR, like
Speaker 2: using Google street View and immersing myself and moving around
Speaker 2: and I was checking out. I think I did a
Speaker 2: tour of Rome in virtual reality which was pretty amazing.
Speaker 2: And I went to Bath in the UK. What of
Speaker 2: the revisits and places using this new mapping software that
Speaker 2: uses basically a combination of Google street View but also
Speaker 2: the aerial View where it creates the mapped buildings that
Speaker 2: are actually in full three D so you can navigate
Speaker 2: through and move in VR right through the buildings. I
Speaker 2: went through Melbourne, you know, just to look at how
Speaker 2: good it was, and it is. It's phenomenal. And this
Speaker 2: is an isolated incident. You can use any tool. It's
Speaker 2: like that four wheel drive that SUV. If the other
Speaker 2: person on the road is driving it sensibly and doing
Speaker 2: the right thing. Anything can be turned into a weapon
Speaker 2: and weaponize I see what you're saying, and yes, recon
Speaker 2: is very very different. You know, you could jump onto
Speaker 2: Microsoft Flight simulator and fly anywhere in the world to
Speaker 2: any airport and become proficient in flying any sort of aircraft.
Speaker 2: You know, that's the reality these days that you know,
Speaker 2: hopefully we'll never see something like nine to eleven, but
Speaker 2: the reality of it is that you don't really need
Speaker 2: to leave your home to get that experience of being
Speaker 2: either virtually in an environment or training on a plane on.
Speaker 1: Which is why we're seeing, among many other developments and
Speaker 1: evolutions in the military space, we're seeing drones being used
Speaker 1: more and more as weapons and as you know, mechanisms
Speaker 1: for inflicting damage or you know. So all right, let's
Speaker 1: get up gone.
Speaker 2: Just you're talking about drones. I'm really excited. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure how much I should say about this because he's
Speaker 2: working for the for the federal government and working for
Speaker 2: the Defense Force. But one of my best mates is
Speaker 2: an aerospace engineer and he'll be working on the Australian
Speaker 2: Government's brought some drones for just reconnaissance and flying our
Speaker 2: coastline because we've got a bloody big island. Actually it's
Speaker 2: not an island though, Is it an island or a continent?
Speaker 2: I think we're a continent, not an island.
Speaker 1: Both.
Speaker 2: We're both. Yeah, well, I mean we are an islands.
Speaker 2: We're surrounded by water. But because coastline, the government's got
Speaker 2: these American drones that can fly. They have an amazing range.
Speaker 2: But you know what was really interesting is the pilots
Speaker 2: are in Adelaide and they fly out of Darwin.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean they could the pilots could be anywhere,
Speaker 1: couldn't they.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That does my head in. That's pretty amazing. But you're
Speaker 2: also talking about, you know, spy versus spy stuff. And
Speaker 2: one of the interesting things blew my mind is you
Speaker 2: know when you buy a USB cable that you connect
Speaker 2: to charge your phone. Yet hackers can now put tech
Speaker 2: into you can buy cables that have a little transmitter
Speaker 2: and can hack into your phone via the cable. I
Speaker 2: couldn't believe this when I saw this. A USB cable
Speaker 2: that actually hides malicious hardware that's built into the cable
Speaker 2: like a little mini transmitter. It's got all the technology
Speaker 2: is actually built in to that little tiny, tiny, tiny cable,
Speaker 2: and that hackers are now using them. I mean this
Speaker 2: came out the original ones came out in two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight, but of course they were clunky and bigger.
Speaker 2: But now they've got them down to a point where
Speaker 2: you can't tell, and some companies are having to buy
Speaker 2: tech to scan the cables to make sure that they're safe.
Speaker 2: And I guess the story. Yeah, So the story behind
Speaker 2: that is that you should always buy cables and things
Speaker 2: from a reputable reseller. And one of the things people
Speaker 2: may not realize, age you realize, is if you buy
Speaker 2: a cheap USB cable and they're not all the same.
Speaker 2: Some of them are designed just for charging, but not
Speaker 2: all of them are designed for data transfer. So have
Speaker 2: you ever had a cable where you've plugged it in
Speaker 2: if the phone says it's not charging properly.
Speaker 1: No, But my issue just quickly with those USB cables
Speaker 1: that you use to charge your iPhone and the like.
Speaker 1: If you get a shit one, like a six dollar one,
Speaker 1: or even some of the better ones that you buy,
Speaker 1: allegedly the ones with the plastic coating, they break.
Speaker 2: I like them. The ones with the material around them.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I like that. I buy those now as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I didn't know that. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I can I bring in one topic, that's I I
Speaker 1: see there's all this shit going on that I don't
Speaker 1: know that. You know that it's going on because you
Speaker 1: don't watch Telly.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's right. The whole world's going to come
Speaker 2: to an endgoing fellas. Why what just because I watched
Speaker 2: criticism that I don't television.
Speaker 1: It's not a criticism, it's well but in the sand.
Speaker 1: If you only pay attention to certain sources, then you
Speaker 1: won't get some information. If I'm with you, I listened
Speaker 1: to you, Okay, I'll be fucking hell. Don't make me
Speaker 1: come over there. I'll give you. I'm going to be
Speaker 1: your news source.
Speaker 2: So have you heard?
Speaker 1: No, I thought you would be fascinated by this, all
Speaker 1: the drone sightings over New Jersey in the last couple
Speaker 1: of months.
Speaker 2: Surely you've got on my feet anything to do with
Speaker 2: like drones.
Speaker 1: UF. Of course we've got that. They had all these
Speaker 1: things in the sky, the size of SUVs.
Speaker 2: Could they tell what they I don't think they could
Speaker 2: tell what size they were, but they droned.
Speaker 1: They definitely could because they had Yeah. I mean I
Speaker 1: listened to three hours of this on Rogan with a
Speaker 1: guy who spoke about all this. It's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you would have loved it.
Speaker 2: I did. I saw parts of it. I mean, because
Speaker 2: people were getting parents at one point and trying to
Speaker 2: shoot them down, and it was over the top. It
Speaker 2: was pretty pretty big stuff.
Speaker 1: Do you think do you think there's any chance that,
Speaker 1: like what, did you believe in the potential of life
Speaker 1: on other planets and technology from other planets? Not yes
Speaker 1: or no, there is, but do you believe it's possible?
Speaker 1: I would say undoubtedly.
Speaker 2: Life on other planets would have to be in some way,
Speaker 2: shape or form. So we're talking a mebur or something
Speaker 2: like that, the chemicals that all the things that come
Speaker 2: together to make life.
Speaker 1: Asking I'm asking intelligence, Well.
Speaker 2: I mean it's you could probably ask the same question
Speaker 2: about the ask right now in this room of us. No.
Speaker 2: No intelligence, I'm not sure life. Yes intelligence. The thing is,
Speaker 2: if there was intelligence, the problem we're going to face
Speaker 2: is the distance, the tyranny of distance. I have relatives
Speaker 2: that won't even fly from Europe to Australia. Yeah, let
Speaker 2: alone you know, an alien visiting the Earth from you know,
Speaker 2: twenty light years away, it's too far. The problem is
Speaker 2: the distance. So unless they've been able to overcome that
Speaker 2: using wormholes or some sort of quantum you know, a
Speaker 2: way to do it, I don't know, but i'd like
Speaker 2: to think that there were I certainly don't have a
Speaker 2: problem with knowing, with thinking that there's life on other planets.
Speaker 2: It's just, you know, do aliens visit us? How the
Speaker 2: hell are they going to get there? But we don't
Speaker 2: know what we don't know. And that's the thing. You know.
Speaker 2: We think we're knowledgeable, and you're smart. You know a
Speaker 2: lot about you know, giving what your degrees, you understand
Speaker 2: a lot about human human beings and how they think
Speaker 2: and their perceptions. But you don't know what you don't know.
Speaker 2: And so is it possible? Yeah, of course it's possible.
Speaker 2: Do I believe it? Do I believe it? I'd like
Speaker 2: to believe it. I want to believe the A poster
Speaker 2: that I used to have in my office because Fox
Speaker 2: Molder had one in his Remember the X Files. I
Speaker 2: love that.
Speaker 4: I love this well, yeah, I love Scully, love Molder.
Speaker 4: But I think also the thing is I think The
Speaker 4: thing is with trying to you know, if you had
Speaker 4: to ask me twenty years ago, I would have went
Speaker 4: absolutely no and then.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying now absolutely yes. I just don't know.
Speaker 1: And I think the thing is that anything that we
Speaker 1: don't understand has the potential to scare us. And I
Speaker 1: think most people are scared of certain things that they
Speaker 1: can't understand. And also, you are right when we don't
Speaker 1: know what we don't know. So when you and I
Speaker 1: you go the tyranny of distance and all of that,
Speaker 1: we got like, yeah, with our understanding of distance and
Speaker 1: our understanding of you know, what we call physics and
Speaker 1: science and measurement, like oh, the speed of light and
Speaker 1: the speed of sound and oh yeah, but you can
Speaker 1: only travel this far. Yeah, no, we can only travel that.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, we're talking about our version of reality
Speaker 1: and our version of physics and science. And there's a
Speaker 1: guy called I think he's Captain Andy Fraber, who was
Speaker 1: a US Air Force pilot and he's encountered lots of
Speaker 1: and he's legit straight up, and he didn't want to talk.
Speaker 1: He's like this very reluctant commentator on UFOs and he
Speaker 1: talks about seeing things that were on the radar and
Speaker 1: things that he could see both on the radar and
Speaker 1: with his eyes and then instantly gone, like there was
Speaker 1: no acceleration and travel so to speak. It was just
Speaker 1: instantly somewhere else, you know. And also these things where
Speaker 1: as you would understand better than me, he's looking at
Speaker 1: them and there's no heat signature, like there's no apparent
Speaker 1: energy source. That's familiar to us because energy, you know,
Speaker 1: when energy is being used, heat as being produced, you know,
Speaker 1: So they're looking at these things which detect heat, and
Speaker 1: there was no heat, but there was energy, you know,
Speaker 1: So that makes no sense to us. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't fucking know, and you don't know, but I'm
Speaker 1: I'm more curious than I've ever been.
Speaker 2: It's good. That's that's good. Curiosity is what fuels and
Speaker 2: what has fueled invention, hasn't it. It's the mother of
Speaker 2: all invention. And actually, you know, they don't call them
Speaker 2: UFOs anhim or do they. They call them UAPs Unidentified
Speaker 2: anomalous phenomenon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, correct, I think I think that's because it's more
Speaker 1: digestible for the public, that's right, because the public straight
Speaker 1: away goes flying sources and all right, mate, I'll get
Speaker 1: out of your road. Off you go.
Speaker 2: Well, because you know, it made me think a lot
Speaker 2: about when you were chatting about what we don't know,
Speaker 2: quantum teleportation. Okay, So quantum teleportation. If you heard the
Speaker 2: buzz about that at the moment, and you have you
Speaker 2: got any idea what it means and what it could mean.
Speaker 1: Well, I know what teleportation is because I watched Star Trek.
Speaker 2: Yes exactly the wrong thing. Isn't that funny because it's
Speaker 2: badly named, because yes, everyone thinks of Star Trek teliportation.
Speaker 2: So quantum teleportation, and this is the term they're using,
Speaker 2: is basically two quantum particles because they know that there
Speaker 2: are basically you've got particles that can be linked, but
Speaker 2: they're over vast distances. And not only this is not
Speaker 2: just theoretical, now this has been practiced. China is actually
Speaker 2: working really hard on this because what you can do
Speaker 2: is you can have two link particles and you can
Speaker 2: transmit information, but they're not transmitted in the usual way
Speaker 2: that they can be intercepted. Okay, so what they're saying
Speaker 2: is that you transfer that information from me to you.
Speaker 2: But they know that they can link these particles, say
Speaker 2: over a thousand kilometers, and it's been proven they can
Speaker 2: have cryptography communication, any sort of transfer of data doesn't
Speaker 2: actually go from A to B because the particles react
Speaker 2: in the same way. And they don't exactly know why
Speaker 2: they're quantum linked, but they know one moves the other
Speaker 2: one moves in an identical way over a vast distance.
Speaker 2: They don't know how it works, but it's provable, and
Speaker 2: it's something and it sounds like sci fi, but it's
Speaker 2: actually happening. And so what they're saying is now that
Speaker 2: an electron or a particle like a photon or an
Speaker 2: electron can be linked over a vast distance, which means
Speaker 2: you can we can be having a cryptographic conversation that
Speaker 2: no one else can can can kind of listen in
Speaker 2: on because no physical transmission between A and B because
Speaker 2: the linked particles are resonating in the same way. It
Speaker 2: kind of does my head in a little bit. And
Speaker 2: they say, anybody who says they understand quantum physics doesn't
Speaker 2: understand quantum physics.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. And I had
Speaker 1: a guy on, Professor Ami Goswami, who's this gene older
Speaker 1: American Indian, and by Indian, I mean the continent of India.
Speaker 1: It's like this spiritual physics, like this intersection of spirituality
Speaker 1: in academia and research. And he was trying to explain
Speaker 1: quantum computing and I'm like, I'm out, I'm out. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like, who understands any of that? But it's didn't
Speaker 1: they They said recently that because quantumputers exist, but like
Speaker 1: only in like prototypes and all of that, but they
Speaker 1: can solve problems in literally a minute or two that
Speaker 1: would take you know, like thousands of years for our
Speaker 1: best current computers. Maybe a've new time with that, but yeah,
Speaker 1: who knows. Who knows.
Speaker 2: The big hope for quantum computing is that they can
Speaker 2: process models of things like how drugs will react in
Speaker 2: the body and potentially be able to produce new drugs
Speaker 2: where they can kind of keep anticipating what the particle
Speaker 2: interactions would be, what the chemical interactions would be, and
Speaker 2: what would take as you say, what would take normal
Speaker 2: computers hundreds or thousands of years, they can do instantly.
Speaker 2: It does do your head in and you've just got
Speaker 2: to take it on faith. Reality. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's pretty full on, but it's exciting. And look the
Speaker 2: fact that I think in China they've beamed or they've
Speaker 2: had quantum linked particles twelve hundred kilometers away. So this
Speaker 2: one particle is on a satellite and one particle was
Speaker 2: in the laboratory in China and they were able to
Speaker 2: prove that they were quantum linked. And that's something this
Speaker 2: distance so far.
Speaker 1: Sorry, mate, I was going to say, I'm looking at
Speaker 1: your list. I want to know how I can get
Speaker 1: a green light every time. I want to know how
Speaker 1: I can get a faster trip to mom and dads.
Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting? Because this was on the drive website
Speaker 2: and I was having a bit of a look at it.
Speaker 2: And it's not overtly scientific when I mean, we're not
Speaker 2: talking about, you know, any technology that you need, because
Speaker 2: you know, it's so frustrating when you get that red light,
Speaker 2: you get to the next intersection, another red light, and
Speaker 2: sometimes you see people kind of you know, speeding up
Speaker 2: or slowing down or whatever it happens to be. But
Speaker 2: and this guy, Chris Miller, who's from the Department of
Speaker 2: Transport in Victoria, he said, look, the best thing that
Speaker 2: you can do. It's called a green wave and he said,
Speaker 2: there's no way to make the light go green faster,
Speaker 2: but if you're so, because the lights aren't in the
Speaker 2: same sequence all the time, and what they tend to
Speaker 2: do is they follow the flow of traffic. So if
Speaker 2: you keep in the normal speed limits and everybody else
Speaker 2: is doing the same thing, the lights will actually try
Speaker 2: to anticipate what they call a green wave, because they're
Speaker 2: a lot smarter than we give credit for. It's not
Speaker 2: just a cycle where it's s it stays on for
Speaker 2: one minute, changes, then the other light goes on for
Speaker 2: another minute. It doesn't work that way. It looks at
Speaker 2: flow of traffic. There's a lot more intelligence behind how
Speaker 2: traffic lights work. So rather than speeding up, if you
Speaker 2: just keep to the speed limit and you stay within
Speaker 2: a group of cars, you're more likely to get what
Speaker 2: he's calling the green wave just by doing the right thing,
Speaker 2: going by the speed limit, and then you can catch
Speaker 2: that green wave as you approach the intersection. The other
Speaker 2: interesting thing is if you happen to be driving at
Speaker 2: night and there are no cars around, and you just
Speaker 2: go to the line and you wait, the light system
Speaker 2: should detect that you're there, so you don't go over
Speaker 2: the line. You just sit on the line itself and
Speaker 2: it has detectors that should then say okay, now there
Speaker 2: is a car here and no other cars, I'll switch
Speaker 2: to green because I've noticed that at night that you
Speaker 2: get to an intersection where it's read and it will
Speaker 2: change quite quickly because you're the only car there. But
Speaker 2: I just thought it was an interesting little lard that
Speaker 2: was put out on drow. Drive's got some good stuff there.
Speaker 2: They have some really interesting articles, and I just thought
Speaker 2: it was worth a mention that, Yeah, so that the
Speaker 2: secret is just follow the speed limit to get the
Speaker 2: green light.
Speaker 1: Go figure, that's the most boring story of it. No,
Speaker 1: it's not really like but I will say no, it's
Speaker 1: it makes sense though. But I tell you what people
Speaker 1: don't think about a lot is if when you're on
Speaker 1: a you wouldn't have thought of this. But when you're
Speaker 1: on a scooter as in a little scooter, it doesn't
Speaker 1: trigger the lights quite often, quite often. So if I
Speaker 1: pull up in my car or even on one of
Speaker 1: my big loud, heavy bikes, it will. It will you know,
Speaker 1: when you get to an insection at nine o'clock at night,
Speaker 1: no one's anywhere, and it changes quite quickly because it
Speaker 1: anticipates you. I've pulled up to empty intersections on the scooter,
Speaker 1: I can sit there for three or four minutes. It
Speaker 1: only changes when another car comes and pulls up next
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: Can I admit something that I really shouldn't but I am.
Speaker 2: When I was working at Fox and Triple M for
Speaker 2: Ostereo and I was doing breakfast, I was breakfast news editor.
Speaker 2: I used to ride my bike into work and I
Speaker 2: was living in Paran at the time before I'd moved
Speaker 2: to Brighton East, and I was riding my bike and
Speaker 2: I had the same thing happened, and I would get
Speaker 2: to an intersection and I'd try to do the right thing.
Speaker 2: There were no cars because it was three point thirty
Speaker 2: in the morning. I started just riding through the section,
Speaker 2: but there was a speed camera and the light would flash,
Speaker 2: and then every morning I'd start to wave to it
Speaker 2: as I went fast. I thought, well, what are you
Speaker 2: going to do. I'm not going to get a fine.
Speaker 2: So I just because you're right being on a bicycle
Speaker 2: even more so, it wouldn't trigger. And you sometimes waiting
Speaker 2: ages and ages, and I thought, I'm going to get
Speaker 2: to work and read the news. So yeah, I just
Speaker 2: got to the point where I started waving to the
Speaker 2: camera when it went off, because I knew it to
Speaker 2: go every morning and what year and what intersection was.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you.
Speaker 1: I was just going to help out the revenue raisers. Sorry,
Speaker 1: what's your home address again?
Speaker 2: Everyone?
Speaker 1: That's that's Banillo with a capital B and el o.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, yeah, well you just incriminated yourself. Look
Speaker 2: up my website. Websites now all my details on me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. One of your stories caught
Speaker 1: my attention. It says here scientists grow a backbone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that means either that means they got some courage
Speaker 3: because they're gutless, or did they literally grow a spine
Speaker 3: in a lab?
Speaker 1: And if they did a spine for what creature?
Speaker 2: Well this is all very early stuff, but they're talking
Speaker 2: about the notch cord. Do you do you know that
Speaker 2: part of the spine or what they're talking about. So
Speaker 2: the human stem cells. See, the thing is, stem cells
Speaker 2: are really unique cells. They normally happen I think at
Speaker 2: the early stage the blasted syst you know, the cells
Speaker 2: are not specialized at that point, So a stem cell
Speaker 2: can be coaxed into becoming a heart cell, a lung cell,
Speaker 2: a bone cell. So that's these spend these stem cells
Speaker 2: if they can use them. And what they did was
Speaker 2: they focused it on they can basically turn it into
Speaker 2: any part of the body. And what they're now saying
Speaker 2: is they can. They're hoping to use the stem cell
Speaker 2: and they've done this. Now I don't know what animal
Speaker 2: it was, I'm not even sure, but they basically were
Speaker 2: able to look at I think it was a human
Speaker 2: body now that I think of it, or a human
Speaker 2: stem cell that was then turned into a vertebrae. And
Speaker 2: they're saying that effectively, this little notch, the rod shaped
Speaker 2: tissue in the part of the body that develops eventually
Speaker 2: becomes the backbone, they were able to replicate and turn
Speaker 2: it and get the cell to specialize to the point
Speaker 2: where it became what would become a backbone cell, which
Speaker 2: is amazing when you think about damage. You know, tissue
Speaker 2: rejection is one of the biggest things that can be
Speaker 2: a problem for transplants. You know, if you get a
Speaker 2: heart transplant, then you know the problem is that tissuary
Speaker 2: direction and all the chemicals and all the drugs you've
Speaker 2: got to take for the rest of your life for
Speaker 2: your body. Not to reject that, but if you have
Speaker 2: a specialized stem cell that's your own, you'll be coaxed
Speaker 2: into growing a new heart for Crego. Then potentially as
Speaker 2: things wear out, that would be amazing, don't you reckon?
Speaker 1: You're assuming I have a heart. But pursuant to this conversation, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, fair enough. Pursuant to this conversation, you're on
Speaker 1: a friend of mine, the lovely gorgeous Jan and O'Brien,
Speaker 1: who I used to do radio with for years on
Speaker 1: Melbourne's Positive Alternative Light FM. Jane had cystic fibrosis, which
Speaker 1: you may or may not know about, which is very
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's you know, it's life ending at
Speaker 1: its worst and definitely life shortening, and an other thing
Speaker 1: which is potentially worse called bronchie extasis. And Jane was
Speaker 1: very very very very very sick and was literally a
Speaker 1: day or two from not being around, and she got
Speaker 1: a double lung transplant. Now I'm trying to remember how
Speaker 1: long ago. That was probably nine or ten months ago.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I've spoken to her a
Speaker 1: few times since, and yeah, you're exactly right in that
Speaker 1: you're trying to manage the you know the integration of
Speaker 1: basically someone else's lungs into your body, and there are
Speaker 1: lots of challenges around that. That's quite an interesting story.
Speaker 1: I want to get her on. We could maybe do
Speaker 1: a show The Three of Us, because you would love her.
Speaker 1: She's amazing, tough as strongest, most positive person of all time.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right for most people. I think the
Speaker 1: first heart transplant recipient, either in the world or in
Speaker 1: Australia definitely was a lady called Fiona Kut who were
Speaker 1: fourteen years old. And I feel like that was either
Speaker 1: in the mid late seventies or early eighties, but I.
Speaker 2: Fee last ties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, eighties, yeah, yeah, But do you remember like the
Speaker 1: day imagine a couple of hundred years ago thinking oh well,
Speaker 1: if you know, old mate's heart died, we get another
Speaker 1: heart and put it in there and that works.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the stuff that and that was decades ago.
Speaker 2: Now when what was that? It was nine and eighty
Speaker 2: four and it was the Victor Chang. Remember doctor Victor Chang.
Speaker 1: I remember there's a hospital named after it.
Speaker 2: It is. Yeah, so yeah, age of fourteen April the eighth,
Speaker 2: nine and eighty four. I remember that I was still
Speaker 2: in school myself. Gosh, but it's fascinating to think that
Speaker 2: that could be a reality for us. They'd be able
Speaker 2: to specialize to take these specialized cells and regrow them.
Speaker 2: That and that, you know, tailoring, whether it's drugs where
Speaker 2: we use our own you know, DNA that matches with us,
Speaker 2: because if I take certain headache tablets, they may work
Speaker 2: on me but not work on you. Certain drugs that
Speaker 2: are off the shelf can can sometimes be effective for
Speaker 2: some people and not for others. And so when we
Speaker 2: talk about custom drugs and tailor made drugs, my only
Speaker 2: concern about all of that is is it going to
Speaker 2: be available to everybody or is it just going to
Speaker 2: be available to people who can afford it.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a really interesting conversation. So doctor Denise Faness
Speaker 1: is she is a geneticist, and doctor Bill Sullivan who
Speaker 1: also is firmly in that space. We have both of
Speaker 1: them on regularly, and Denise does this it's called personalized
Speaker 1: medicine where and you're exactly right, mate. So it's like
Speaker 1: how come Patrick can eat a handful of almonds and
Speaker 1: he loves them and they taste good and someone else
Speaker 1: has one armond and they have a terrible reaction and
Speaker 1: a phylactic reaction and so on or I. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I've ever told you this, but so my
Speaker 1: friend John, who had the terrible accident that you know.
Speaker 2: About, I've met John.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he's a great guy and now he lives
Speaker 1: with constant pain. And one of the many drugs that
Speaker 1: he's had to take over the years is Lyrica. I
Speaker 1: don't think I'm giving away any secrets here. Lyrica, which
Speaker 1: is a very strong drug for neural pain or nerve pain.
Speaker 1: Now John can have four of those in a day,
Speaker 1: no problem, four seventy five milligrams, which is three hundred milligrams,
Speaker 1: or even five or six. When my back was fucked once,
Speaker 1: like badly, I couldn't get out of a chair. I
Speaker 1: couldn't like I was in for me extreme pain. Getting
Speaker 1: in and out of bed took fifteen minutes. It was agony.
Speaker 1: I took one Lyrica one seventy five milligrams and I hallucinated.
Speaker 1: I was off my head and he could take four
Speaker 1: and barely notice it. So yeah, trying to I think
Speaker 1: we're going to see not only personalized medicine, but personalized nutrition,
Speaker 1: personalized exercise programming, personalized believe it or not, sleep prescription.
Speaker 1: And there's a guy, Oh, it'll come to me. I'm
Speaker 1: just blanking on his name, but doctor Cam. What's his surname?
Speaker 1: I know too many Cams. But anyway, as an organization
Speaker 1: called pH three sixty, and they look at people's different
Speaker 1: genetic disposition to ascertain what is the best everything for
Speaker 1: that person based on their genetic makeup. And this is
Speaker 1: going to become more and more a thing where where
Speaker 1: Patrick gets prescribed medicine and food and supplements based on
Speaker 1: his DNA. Yeah, and this is this is already happening.
Speaker 1: And so that's what Denise does. Doctor Denise, she takes blood, hair,
Speaker 1: lots of different things depending on the individual and the need,
Speaker 1: and then they are prescribed something specific to their DNA
Speaker 1: and in fact so effective as this a friend of mine,
Speaker 1: I won't say a full name because I don't I
Speaker 1: think she's she's okay with it. But Daniel, she had
Speaker 1: or has a young boy with autism who was really
Speaker 1: have like a lot of challenges and doctor Denise changed
Speaker 1: his diet based on his DNA and he had profound
Speaker 1: and drastic improvements in months where he essentially went from
Speaker 1: being nonverbal to verbal. I think he was about seven
Speaker 1: at the time. Amazing. So yeah, this is definitely the
Speaker 1: way forward is because you know, everybody's body responds differently
Speaker 1: to the same stimulus, so we're trying to find what
Speaker 1: is the right interventional protocol or stimulus for Patrick, not
Speaker 1: for the general pop population, and that that's evolving.
Speaker 2: And that's a good thing too when it comes to
Speaker 2: not taking drugs if you can reduce the instances. I
Speaker 2: love this story, as you know, I practice and I
Speaker 2: teach tai chi, and the philosophy behind somebody who was
Speaker 2: the healer or the medical person in a village in China,
Speaker 2: you know, three hundred, four hundred, five hundred years ago,
Speaker 2: was that the person who looked after your health got
Speaker 2: paid when you were healthy, but when you start being healthy,
Speaker 2: they stopped getting paid because their job is healthy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love that idea, and I don't know how true
Speaker 2: it is, but I love the thought behind that that
Speaker 2: I'm being paid to keep you healthy, a bit like
Speaker 2: having your own PT and all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 2: but that preventative maintenance, that philosophy of keeping you healthy
Speaker 2: not fixing what you know, what's already happened. I think
Speaker 2: that's something that you know, a practice that we can
Speaker 2: all do and it's not that hard. And I guess
Speaker 2: it's the decisions that we make every day because whether
Speaker 2: you have the two spoons of sugar in your coffee
Speaker 2: or whatever that happens to be. But the reality, for
Speaker 2: result is that processed foods are rampant. You know, it's
Speaker 2: easy to eat processed foods, not as easy to kind
Speaker 2: of take things from scratch and make them from scratch.
Speaker 2: But it's so much better for you and we know that.
Speaker 2: But but you know, you do. You delve into this
Speaker 2: all the time. What motivates people, It's been part of
Speaker 2: your psyche and what you've done your whole career, whether
Speaker 2: you're being a trainer or whether you're looking at what
Speaker 2: you know, how people perceive life, the universe and everything
Speaker 2: around them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're exactly right. And for me, it's
Speaker 1: really and this is not to throw heat at our
Speaker 1: current system, but like all systems, it's imperfect, and it's
Speaker 1: really it's more reactive than proactive, and it's more of
Speaker 1: a system, a sickness management system than it is a
Speaker 1: healthcare So like I realized early that I didn't have
Speaker 1: great genetics. You know my you know, mums had cancer
Speaker 1: three times, dads have multiple heart attacks, Mum had a
Speaker 1: minor you know, it's it's but they're still around, which
Speaker 1: is great. But I kind of realized on a couple
Speaker 1: of fronts if I didn't optimize what I've got, like
Speaker 1: with food, with exercise, with lifestyle, with sleep, with the
Speaker 1: decisions that I make because I have a real propensity
Speaker 1: to go in fat. I genetically have high blood pressure,
Speaker 1: thanks Mum and Dad. Even though I don't have salt,
Speaker 1: even though I'm lean, even though I work out all
Speaker 1: the time, never smoked, never drunk, don't eat ship food,
Speaker 1: Still high blood pressure, right, that's genetic. And so for me,
Speaker 1: I've very I've very much been always aware of and
Speaker 1: grateful for the fact that I have a body. I
Speaker 1: know that sounds silly, but always this kind of you
Speaker 1: can get a lot of other things, but you can't
Speaker 1: get another body. And I don't know where that came from,
Speaker 1: but I'm just like, it's it's so important to me
Speaker 1: that I look that I need to look after this
Speaker 1: thing that I can't replace. And so I've been proactive
Speaker 1: my whole life where I go. Look, if I open
Speaker 1: the smoking door, because Mum and Dad were smokers for years,
Speaker 1: I go, I'll probably be addicted by Tuesday. If I
Speaker 1: open the booze door, I'll probably drink booze for Australia competitively, right.
Speaker 1: So I just need because I'm a little bit like that.
Speaker 1: As you know, I'm pretty all or nothing. And so
Speaker 1: if I could apply that level of you know, discipline
Speaker 1: and self control and you know, hopefully intelligence to way
Speaker 1: to the way that I live and the things that
Speaker 1: I do to my body, and it's just I also
Speaker 1: think because it's so easy patrick to get to have
Speaker 1: access to unhealthy but tasty food, you know, and that's
Speaker 1: the you know, fast food, high salt, high fat, high sugar,
Speaker 1: and some people would say high pleasure understandably. But the
Speaker 1: problem with all of that is it's addictive, you know,
Speaker 1: because you're switching on all of these things in your
Speaker 1: brain that make you want more and then bibbity bobbedy
Speaker 1: boo five years down the track, now you're not in
Speaker 1: a great place. So and the problem or the challenge
Speaker 1: is that a lot of those addictive things give you
Speaker 1: instant gratification, obviously, But the flip side of that is, well,
Speaker 1: if I don't have whatever it is, I don't have
Speaker 1: instant weight loss or instant health or instant muscle or
Speaker 1: instant lower blood pressure or and so there's this to
Speaker 1: and fro for a lot of people where they know
Speaker 1: what to do, but they're always about to start next Monday.
Speaker 2: Look at what I've got some new neighbors that moved in,
Speaker 2: and there's such lovely people. They fostered two kids and
Speaker 2: then they had four of their own, so they've got
Speaker 2: four young girls under the age of twelve.
Speaker 1: And wow, wow, what amazing people.
Speaker 2: They are phenomenal people. And I had them over for
Speaker 2: a movie night and dinner the other day and I
Speaker 2: just made this a vegan bolin aise but lots of veggies,
Speaker 2: and you know, it was really good food. And we
Speaker 2: had a meal and then we sat down. When I
Speaker 2: say we sat down, the adults sat down, the kids
Speaker 2: were jumping around like beans. It was great. But you
Speaker 2: know the commitment that parents make, and I just thought
Speaker 2: to myself, how hard have I worked to make all
Speaker 2: this food for eight of us? And they do that
Speaker 2: every single day. I've got so much respect for people
Speaker 2: who who do that? Who have you know, multiple child? Well,
Speaker 2: even one child is hard enough, but let alone, you know,
Speaker 2: having all those kids under the age of twelve. And
Speaker 2: I just think there's such an amazing and beautiful commitment
Speaker 2: that people make to giving their kids so much, and
Speaker 2: they often you know, go without so their kids will
Speaker 2: have And that just blows me away that people do that.
Speaker 2: It was It's great to see and just a dedication.
Speaker 2: Just it's awesome, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Ah? And you and I don't sorry, we don't have
Speaker 1: to deal not deal with We don't have the pleasure
Speaker 1: of that, right. That's why it's so easy to be
Speaker 1: selfish when you're just a single dude.
Speaker 2: Or do that, I guess do that, Oh dear.
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to say that. Hey, one more story and
Speaker 1: then let's wind up. You just scroll through your little
Speaker 1: list and tell us what you want to share.
Speaker 2: Well, haptics, I'm going to talk VR again because it
Speaker 2: is a really passionate thing for me, and not for
Speaker 2: that just that reason, because I love gaming and I
Speaker 2: love virtual travel and hanging out with my friends online.
Speaker 2: And I know I've told this story before about a
Speaker 2: friend of mine who passed away from murdering your own disease,
Speaker 2: and I got my headset and took it around to
Speaker 2: his place. He's an artist. He painted some most amazing, iconic,
Speaker 2: just beautiful paintings God in the name of I won't
Speaker 2: say his name, but anyway, but his paintings were very profound,
Speaker 2: and some of them were painted over twelve months. And
Speaker 2: one of his last paintings was of Notre Dame when
Speaker 2: the fire went through, and he uses a lot of
Speaker 2: religious iconography in there as well. And I was able
Speaker 2: to put on a headset and give him a virtual
Speaker 2: tour of Notre Dame after the fire and while they
Speaker 2: were doing the rebuild, and it was a guided tour
Speaker 2: by one of the priests that was part of that
Speaker 2: whole process of rebuilding. And as you where, you probably
Speaker 2: saw in the news that they've now reopened Notre Dame
Speaker 2: and it's looking like it's been restored to its great splendor.
Speaker 2: But one of the next steps and stages of VR
Speaker 2: interaction is going to be haptics. And I saw some
Speaker 2: haptic and what I mean by haptics is haptics where
Speaker 2: you have a controller and if you touch something, it
Speaker 2: vibrates and the body kind of gets full into thinking
Speaker 2: that it's interacting in the virtual world while you're there.
Speaker 2: But now they're developing kind of haptic sleeves that use
Speaker 2: air pressure, so you don't just get a vibration like
Speaker 2: your phone when it vibrates, but it feels like touch
Speaker 2: and it can be touched that's pressure sensitive as well,
Speaker 2: So if it's something where it's a prolonged touch, it
Speaker 2: will grab for a prolonged period. So rather than you know,
Speaker 2: when your phone vibrates in your pocket and you get
Speaker 2: a sense that there's a message coming through, whereas this
Speaker 2: will apply pressure. So there's a lot of hope now
Speaker 2: that the tech behind this using air so using pneumatics
Speaker 2: rather than little tiny servo motors will mean that it
Speaker 2: takes up less power, it'll be more effective, and then
Speaker 2: you will get a much more sensitive feel. So if
Speaker 2: I reached out and grabbed your hand to shake your
Speaker 2: hand in a VR environment, potentially the haptic glove would
Speaker 2: start to pressurize around your hand and you would really
Speaker 2: feel like I'm gripping your hand. And if I applied
Speaker 2: more press it would be able to apply more pressure
Speaker 2: using this robotic sleeve and these little air pockets to
Speaker 2: grip your hand, and it would make that whole environment,
Speaker 2: that whole interaction so dynamic, wouldn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah, And I guess I mean part of
Speaker 1: me is like just fucking give someone a normal hug.
Speaker 1: I get that. But also at the same time, potentially
Speaker 1: I was thinking, just quickly, somebody, somebody that I know
Speaker 1: is struggling at the minute with you know, loneliness and stuff,
Speaker 1: and I was thinking for people who are lonely, you know,
Speaker 1: who perhaps are isolated for like either just geographically isolated,
Speaker 1: or they have agoraphobia or agrophobia, you know, and for
Speaker 1: whatever reason. Yeah, like that, because like you said, your
Speaker 1: body can get fooled. It's like when we have a
Speaker 1: dream that isn't it is like like we're actually dreaming,
Speaker 1: but the events of the dream are not real, but
Speaker 1: to us in the moment, they're real. And so the experience,
Speaker 1: to our nervous system, to our brain, to our everything
Speaker 1: is though it was happening. And I think that's that
Speaker 1: that VR and all of the kind of the offshoots
Speaker 1: of VR and all this haptic kind of potential, you know,
Speaker 1: that opens another door to another kind of experience that
Speaker 1: I think in you know, just like we're seeing surgeons
Speaker 1: do operations remotely from different states using robotic you know tools. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fucking amazing, mate. I love all that. I love
Speaker 1: all that.
Speaker 2: It's great. It opens up a bright future. And you know,
Speaker 2: we do talk about all the negatives, sometimes not all
Speaker 2: the negatives, but the fact that there's hacking going on,
Speaker 2: and there's a cyber war underway as we speak, with
Speaker 2: government funded you know, there's a I read an article
Speaker 2: a few years ago that said there it's believed that
Speaker 2: they are up to a million state sanctioned hackers in China.
Speaker 2: That blows your mind, isn't that? And it's a pretty
Speaker 2: wild thought. But I think that sometimes we can focus
Speaker 2: on the negative side of it. But it's great to
Speaker 2: know that there's a lot of really exciting positive things
Speaker 2: coming up. And I just envisaged that someone who's elderly,
Speaker 2: or someone who's infirm, or someone who's had you know,
Speaker 2: who's crippled in some way and not able to leave
Speaker 2: their bed, for them to be able to use VR
Speaker 2: to escape what could be a prolonged and condition like murder,
Speaker 2: your own disease that robs you of everything, to be
Speaker 2: able to then take them and transport them somewhere else
Speaker 2: and give them an ability to be able to still
Speaker 2: enjoy life and have quality of life. I think that
Speaker 2: will mean a lot for people as they age and
Speaker 2: as you know the rigors of getting old, or even
Speaker 2: just getting on a plane for us in Australia and
Speaker 2: flying to Europe and visiting Notre Dame. For a lot
Speaker 2: of our listeners who are getting on that a may
Speaker 2: be cost prohibitive, but it also could be physically prohibitive
Speaker 2: because they might have a bad back and couldn't sit
Speaker 2: on a plane for that long.
Speaker 1: Correct, correct, mate, How can people connect with you, old
Speaker 1: old mate?
Speaker 2: Websites noow dot com dot au is the website and
Speaker 2: we do all sorts of stuff, marketing and branding, social media.
Speaker 2: I don't do the social media, but I'm bloody hopeless
Speaker 2: with social media. I don't think I've done my LinkedIn
Speaker 2: profile for about eight years. My colleague keeps telling me off,
Speaker 2: you really should be updating this. You know, you get
Speaker 2: onto the podcast and your LinkedIn is really old. But yeah,
Speaker 2: websites now dot com TODAYU is the just a bit
Speaker 2: about what we do and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: And he's walked away Can I just say that?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: Wait I'm talking and he walked. I can see you.
Speaker 1: It's Can I just tell you that a bird flew
Speaker 1: against my window?
Speaker 2: No? What?
Speaker 1: And I want to go and see that he's all right.
Speaker 1: I feel like the little fuck has got concussion.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, go out there and rescue your bird.
Speaker 1: Well, hey mate, it's been great. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I wasn't being rude. I probably I was. I was
Speaker 1: concerned about you and the bird. Thank you all right, mate,
Speaker 1: thank you