Speaker 1: Long shower.
Speaker 2: Good evening while Alice Springs will again be subject to
Speaker 2: a curfew after an outbreak of shocking violence on the weekend.
Speaker 2: First a police officer was run over outside a bottle shop,
Speaker 2: and then last night, four off duty coppers, including three women,
Speaker 2: were allegedly set upon and robbed by a group of
Speaker 2: twenty young men in the morning. The officers were crossing
Speaker 2: the Todd River to go back to their hotel in
Speaker 2: the early hours of the morning when the men allegedly
Speaker 2: approached them from behind and assaulted them, including punching one
Speaker 2: of the women officers in the face and kicking her
Speaker 2: multiple times. Northern Territory Police Commissioner Michael Murphy invoked recently
Speaker 2: introduced rules for a snap seventy two hour curfew between
Speaker 2: ten pm and six am. The only people allowed to
Speaker 2: move within the restricted zone will be those fleeing domestic violence,
Speaker 2: visiting family, caring for someone, visiting a fast food restaurant
Speaker 2: of all places, or go to work. The commissioner says
Speaker 2: if things don't calm down, he'll extend the.
Speaker 3: Curfew if there's a continuation of harmful conduct, which I
Speaker 3: hope there is not. If we apply some measures now
Speaker 3: to in addict and use the community to help us.
Speaker 3: We should say a turnaround. But if that continues and
Speaker 3: there's some behaviors that still concern me, we can apply
Speaker 3: for a I can apply for a seventy two hour
Speaker 3: a different area, or go to the minister for another
Speaker 3: seven days.
Speaker 2: And the Alice might be back in the headlines today
Speaker 2: for all the wrong reasons. But the reality is that
Speaker 2: this has been bubbling away for ages for years and
Speaker 2: not much has been.
Speaker 1: Done about it.
Speaker 2: When violence and danger in Alice Springs reached ahead last year,
Speaker 2: Sky News, i have to say, was one of the
Speaker 2: only media outlets to give it the coverage and exposure
Speaker 2: it deserved. And these stories have been playing out every
Speaker 2: day since then, but we don't hear a great deal
Speaker 2: about them until something really goes wrong, like these cops
Speaker 2: allegedly being bashed. Now, for a government that was so
Speaker 2: publicly concerned about indigenous affairs that it proposed the Voice
Speaker 2: to Parliament, the Albanese regime has remained strangely quiet about
Speaker 2: all of this. Now, don't forget that last year the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister flew into Alice Springs for all of four
Speaker 2: hours as crime was worsening and then took off to
Speaker 2: Melbourne to sink beers and eat ice cream at the
Speaker 2: Australian Open Albaneze did visit Alice Springs a few months ago,
Speaker 2: and he did meet with local activist Darren Clark, who
Speaker 2: was on with Andrew Bold before and who has been
Speaker 2: vocal about the lack of inaction by authorities to stop
Speaker 2: the crime and dysfunction. But what's changed natural, I mean,
Speaker 2: given the PM is so worried about Indigenous issues, surely
Speaker 2: he should have taken one look at Alice Springs and
Speaker 2: flown out of there determined to clean the joint up,
Speaker 2: come hell or high water for the safety of not
Speaker 2: only all residents, but particularly Indigenous children who find themselves
Speaker 2: in the grips of youth crime due to neglect and
Speaker 2: dysfunctional family love. As sorry, Senator justinto Nampagin for price
Speaker 2: correctly noted today.
Speaker 1: A curfew is one thing, but you.
Speaker 2: Have to actually do something about the causes of this violence.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm sure the town will welcome another curfew. There
Speaker 4: are underlying issues taking place that we all know about
Speaker 4: the lives of these children need to be looked at
Speaker 4: much closer. And I've said this for years that Indigenous
Speaker 4: children in my certainly around in my community and throughout
Speaker 4: the Northern Territory, experience the highest rates of domestic and
Speaker 4: family violence, child sexual abuse. And it's no wonder that
Speaker 4: we have circumstances. These children come from utter dysfunction where
Speaker 4: we're seeing again another rise in violent crime in the community.
Speaker 2: It's all good and well to keep slapping a band
Speaker 2: aid on the wound, and that's essentially what this curfew is.
Speaker 2: But you change nothing without taking serious action, and the
Speaker 2: Albanzi government has been lacking when it comes to serious action.
Speaker 2: The Independent Yeparinia School in Alice Springs wanted to build
Speaker 2: a satellite campus at Burt Creek, which is sixty kilometers
Speaker 2: north of Alice, so kids in remote communities could go
Speaker 2: to school without having to travel into town. It was
Speaker 2: hoping for about a million dollars from a forty million
Speaker 2: dollar fund the federal government had put up for these
Speaker 2: sorts of projects. Instead had got three hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: nine thousand. Meanwhile, Albanzi spent four hundred and fifty million
Speaker 2: dollars on a voice to Parliament referendum that failed and
Speaker 2: did nothing for Indigenous people.
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine what could have been.
Speaker 2: Done to improve the lives of kids in Alice Springs
Speaker 2: and elsewhere with that money, but instead it was blown
Speaker 2: on a political vanity project.
Speaker 1: Indigenous affairs policy has gone on like this for decades.
Speaker 2: It's why we talk about Australia Day and treaties and
Speaker 2: all this stuff instead of employment and domestic violence rates
Speaker 2: in Aboriginal communities. The former is easy and touch you fairly,
Speaker 2: and it makes you feel nice we're doing the right thing.
Speaker 2: The latter, of course, is uncomfortable, and it raises hard
Speaker 2: questions and potentially hard truths at Acknowledging any of that
Speaker 2: means actually doing some work, which is of course the
Speaker 2: hard bit. But that's the stuff that really affects people's lives.
Speaker 2: A curfew might quell violence for a few nights, but
Speaker 2: it won't stop it. Soon enough, it'll be back to
Speaker 2: the way it was, and the people of Alice Springs,
Speaker 2: especially poor Indigenous kids, will be stuck on the same
Speaker 2: hamster wheel as they have been for years.
Speaker 1: But will anyone care. Probably not now.
Speaker 2: Anyone who knows anything about off roading or who's spent
Speaker 2: any time in the bush will know the popularity of
Speaker 2: the seventy series Land cruiser. It took pretty much the
Speaker 2: same since the nineteen eighth these apart from a few facelifts,
Speaker 2: and it's certainly not the fastest car in the world,
Speaker 2: but it is practical and reliable. It's been a somewhat
Speaker 2: ubiquitous part of country Australian life for decades.
Speaker 5: I love a sunburnt country, a lamb of sweeping planes,
Speaker 5: of dragon.
Speaker 6: Mountain regions, drugs and flooding raiders.
Speaker 1: I love her father raisins.
Speaker 6: I love her jewel seed, her beauty.
Speaker 1: And her terror.
Speaker 7: Wired brown land For me, Lamb cruisers.
Speaker 1: How Good's laws. He is voiced by the way, but
Speaker 1: farmers love them.
Speaker 2: And the troop carrier model has been something of a
Speaker 2: cult following in the camping and off road community. There's
Speaker 2: a seventy series owners group on Facebook with one hundred
Speaker 2: and nine thousand members. But Toyota announced today that it
Speaker 2: was killing its V eight turbo diesel engine, which makes
Speaker 2: up the vast majority of sales. Because, of course, someone
Speaker 2: wanting that sort of car is looking for something with
Speaker 2: grunt and power. They're not after speed or efficiency, They're
Speaker 2: after a car that.
Speaker 1: Can do hard tasks.
Speaker 2: Toyota's decided to go soft in the name of the environment.
Speaker 2: You know, there was a time when Toyota bragged about
Speaker 2: being tough.
Speaker 1: Is right, Toyota tough no more.
Speaker 2: Some ninety percent of the seventy series sales are V eights,
Speaker 2: according to Toyota itself. Toyota's Australian sales boss Sean Hanley said,
Speaker 2: quote clearly there is still a preference for V eights.
Speaker 2: We can't hid from that. That's the reality. So why
Speaker 2: are they dumping such a wildly popular product. Well, quote
Speaker 2: unquote community expectations apparently, mister Hanley said, environment is on
Speaker 2: people's minds. We believe the community expects that we will
Speaker 2: reduce our CO two footprint. He said, there's currently a
Speaker 2: two year waiting list for these vates. Some of those
Speaker 2: orders may now not be met thanks to the decision
Speaker 2: to discontinue the engine. Shouldn't really be up to the manufacturer,
Speaker 2: or the government or anyone else to decide if or
Speaker 2: how our carbon dioxide.
Speaker 1: Footprint is reduced.
Speaker 2: The fact that ninety percent of sales of this vehicle
Speaker 2: were vates, I think kind approves that customers want vates.
Speaker 2: What Toyota is saying is that green activists are demanding
Speaker 2: that we reduce the overall emissions of our fleet, and
Speaker 2: the easiest way to do that is to get rid
Speaker 2: of what is an inefficient engine from a fuel perspective,
Speaker 2: even though that engine is strong and built for a
Speaker 2: particular purpose for which it is renowned. Now they claim
Speaker 2: that this decision was made years ago and has nothing
Speaker 2: to do with the Albanezi government's new vehicle emission standards
Speaker 2: which will be introduced next year, and they essentially mean
Speaker 2: that car manufacturers will be fined if the emissions caused
Speaker 2: by their overall fleet go above a certain limit, which
Speaker 2: means you can still sell fuel guzzling cars, but that
Speaker 2: then has to be offset by cars with much lower emissions,
Speaker 2: like electric cars, to bring the average down. And Toyota
Speaker 2: has made it very clear that it doesn't think fully
Speaker 2: electric cars are the way forward and they'll only ever
Speaker 2: make up about thirty percent of the market.
Speaker 1: So if they're not willing.
Speaker 2: To go down the electric road, then they need to
Speaker 2: do something, and the V eight would seem to be
Speaker 2: the most obvious victim. Now, this is just a sign
Speaker 2: of things to come. When those emission standards come in,
Speaker 2: car manufacturers will have to make plenty more decisions like
Speaker 2: this unless they want to pay extra, and of course
Speaker 2: that cost would have to be passed on to you.
Speaker 2: Some scoffed when emission standards were described as the end
Speaker 2: of the ute and the end of the off roader,
Speaker 2: but it seems pretty clear that that's the way we're going,
Speaker 2: regardless of how popular these cars might be. They can't
Speaker 2: get you to change your behavior, so they're going to
Speaker 2: force you to change your behavior.
Speaker 1: Also coming up on the show.
Speaker 2: To Night calls for cashless welfare to be brought back,
Speaker 2: as a new report shows an increase in spending on
Speaker 2: gambling and grog after the Albanesi government can a debit
Speaker 2: card trial. Plus Paris turns into a battleground as the
Speaker 2: far left celebrates its election win by attacking police, and
Speaker 2: Woolworths has decided it's suddenly okay to sell Australian flags
Speaker 2: for an upcoming event. Will tell you about that story shortly. Well.
Speaker 2: It was a bit more bad news for the Albanesi
Speaker 2: government today, with the latest newspole figures showing that the
Speaker 2: coalition is ahead of Labor for the first time in
Speaker 2: the key battleground state of New South Wales, is increasing
Speaker 2: the lead they hold in Queensland, and it comes as
Speaker 2: Labor lost a significant amount of younger voters. The primary
Speaker 2: vote of the eighteen to thirty four year old demographic
Speaker 2: fell to thirty percent. Let's bring in tonight's panel. Joining
Speaker 2: me as always on a Monday Night with Sharry is
Speaker 2: my late debate co host Liz Storer and Skyne New's
Speaker 2: contributor Joe hildeband who will also be me on the lake.
Speaker 1: That's right, we are like.
Speaker 2: We are slowly do you just need to grow the
Speaker 2: bed out a little more.
Speaker 1: And we'll be there now.
Speaker 2: It's interesting The Australians published a story tonight saying that
Speaker 2: young labor is sort of revolting against the party because
Speaker 2: of the decision they made in terms of fatima payment.
Speaker 2: It's interesting to see the reduction in the youth support
Speaker 2: for Labor. Are they going off to the Greens?
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's always been a threat, and that's always I mean,
Speaker 8: young people are always I mean it's a cliche, isn't it.
Speaker 8: If you're not a socialist when you're eighteen, you have
Speaker 8: no heart. If you're still a socialist when you're fifty,
Speaker 8: you have no head.
Speaker 1: And I'm heartless.
Speaker 8: That's been a true to everyone from Winston Churchill down.
Speaker 8: So I don't think that's necessarily a problem that Labor
Speaker 8: is losing youth votes, because they're always going to go
Speaker 8: a more radical way, especially if they're on the left already,
Speaker 8: They're usually going to gravitate towards the most radically left
Speaker 8: and then hopefully come back after they grow a brain.
Speaker 8: What I'm much more concerned about is Labor losing votes
Speaker 8: in the middle in the middle demographic, my middle aged,
Speaker 8: middle class people, basically the heart and soul of mainstream Australia,
Speaker 8: and that's a big problem. The interesting thing about this post,
Speaker 8: so what the odds and newspole do every few months
Speaker 8: is they aggregate all the news polls over the past
Speaker 8: three months, get a bigger number so that it's actually
Speaker 8: statistically representative, and then they can break it down on
Speaker 8: state by state basis. You can't do that, basically, the
Speaker 8: sample size isn't big enough for a normal news poll
Speaker 8: cycle to give state by state breakdowns. So this is
Speaker 8: basically where Labor has been sitting over the last three months.
Speaker 8: The bad news is that it may have gotten worse
Speaker 8: since then because of Adam a pavement stuff, because of
Speaker 8: the high that expected inflation targets.
Speaker 3: So it'll be very interesting. Again.
Speaker 8: This is why I think Labor would be probably a
Speaker 8: bit crazy brave to go to an election before the
Speaker 8: Queensland state election and voters have had their chance to
Speaker 8: whack Stephen Miles, because again they've seen safe labor seats
Speaker 8: for already in by elections. They'll see more safe Labour
Speaker 8: seats at the state election. Do you really want to
Speaker 8: be sticking up your head above the parapet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you have to say at this point is
Speaker 2: that the chances of this government being returned with a
Speaker 2: majority are cooked.
Speaker 1: It ain't going to happen.
Speaker 2: So we're now talking about the numbers and if we
Speaker 2: get that interest rate rise, as I suspect we will
Speaker 2: next month, or if not next month, the month after
Speaker 2: that in September.
Speaker 1: Looking at these.
Speaker 2: Numbers that are starting to come through, now you would
Speaker 2: be genuinely worried if you were Anthony Alberiz.
Speaker 5: Indeed, and of course Charmer's budget was all happy, happy,
Speaker 5: the future is so bright. Didn't really factor in that
Speaker 5: things would be getting a lot worse.
Speaker 1: We saw that face off.
Speaker 5: Between him and the RBA at the time, whereas he
Speaker 5: was counting on inflation not getting worse, the rates not
Speaker 5: going up, and the RBA was like, ah, check'snotes, where
Speaker 5: are you getting this idea from Jarmas? So they were
Speaker 5: counting on that big time and I would say sold
Speaker 5: Australians a furfey off the back of that. But this polling,
Speaker 5: I do find it very hard to get excited ten
Speaker 5: months out to an election because we know that they
Speaker 5: can change. So until we see a very steady trajectory,
Speaker 5: trajectory I should stay still continuing.
Speaker 1: In this direction.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of counting chickens already happening, and that's
Speaker 5: what polsters do, right, They dive into the minutia of
Speaker 5: the numbers.
Speaker 1: And this is what this means.
Speaker 5: But what it does mean is that we're very likely
Speaker 5: to see a cobbled together government with bedfellows that we
Speaker 5: would rather not see in power. So one wonders, is
Speaker 5: this really better than a majority labor government sharing power
Speaker 5: with Indeed, in order to keep power would make for
Speaker 5: a much worse correct.
Speaker 8: Historic calls for majority of labor.
Speaker 6: I love that moment.
Speaker 1: Take it to the bank.
Speaker 2: It's it's going to be the headlight on the sky
Speaker 2: News dot com, dot a u website. Go and check
Speaker 2: it out now now while we're on labor. Daniel Andrews,
Speaker 2: of course is all of our favorite former labor leader,
Speaker 2: and he's agreed to surrender his mobile phone records from
Speaker 2: the day of a near fatal collision he and his wife,
Speaker 2: his wife was driving at the time, had with a
Speaker 2: young cyclist in twenty thirteen. Ryan Muelman, of course is
Speaker 2: his name. You've heard the story before. His lawyers have
Speaker 2: been going after the Andrews family because he was struck
Speaker 2: when he was fifteen by their suv in blair Gowy
Speaker 2: on the Mornington Peninsula in Victoria, and they've been trying
Speaker 2: to work out who mister Andrews may or may not
Speaker 2: have spoken to when the crash occurred, because there was
Speaker 2: a delay between the crash him calling Triple zero, and
Speaker 2: they're worried about he could have been influenced in the
Speaker 2: aftermath of the crash, but he had engaged Andrews.
Speaker 1: That is top Silk. Sorry.
Speaker 2: Philip Crutchfield KSE. They were going into court this morning.
Speaker 2: He charges up to twenty five thousand dollars a day
Speaker 2: and he was going along to help fight this request
Speaker 2: for phone records in court.
Speaker 1: This morning, and at.
Speaker 2: About five past eight, Joe, they decided we're not going
Speaker 2: to challenge it anymore, which a strange turn of events.
Speaker 8: It is a very strange turn of events. I obviously
Speaker 8: am not particularly close to.
Speaker 1: Dan Andrews really.
Speaker 8: Certainly the people in labor that I like and support
Speaker 8: are no friends of Dan either, and he's certainly no
Speaker 8: friend of theirs. The only conclusion I can reach is
Speaker 8: that he figured that. I mean, everything Dan Andrews does,
Speaker 8: he's very intelligent, he's very strategically minded, calculating whatever you
Speaker 8: want to call it, and he would have made the
Speaker 8: calculation of what would be in his best interest, and
Speaker 8: he's no doubt calculated that keeping the phone records suppressed
Speaker 8: would have been a worse look than allowing them to
Speaker 8: come out, even if they end up damaging him, because
Speaker 8: he no longer has anything to lose. So obviously, this
Speaker 8: is something that happened eleven years ago now, and there's
Speaker 8: been all sorts of kind of nine years weird stuff,
Speaker 8: weird stuff about it, and so the question is whether
Speaker 8: or not so he would have said, right, well, it
Speaker 8: was worth the suppression or worth fighting it or whatever.
Speaker 8: It was just swearing that black is white as wont
Speaker 8: to do while he was still premier and there was
Speaker 8: political skin to be lost. Now there's no longer premiere,
Speaker 8: then he's obviously made the decision that what, you know,
Speaker 8: how could it really hurt him unless there's some sort
Speaker 8: of you know, I think the reasoning is a.
Speaker 5: Bit more black white than that, though, because they were
Speaker 5: originally after eleven year's worth of texts, they did a
Speaker 5: one eighty and said, okay, we just want your phone
Speaker 5: records the day of. I mean, right now, they don't
Speaker 5: even know if someone was potentially on the phone while
Speaker 5: driving and hit this young man, so that is when
Speaker 5: this backflip occurred. So I'm now curious to know what
Speaker 5: those other phone records would show because obviously the day
Speaker 5: of he's not so worried. But if they wanted eleven
Speaker 5: years worth of telephone records pertaining to this young man
Speaker 5: that day that accident, that was going to put him
Speaker 5: in serious trouble.
Speaker 1: So he was never going to give that up.
Speaker 5: Hired this big silk to fight the subpoena all the way.
Speaker 5: And then when it was just like okay, the day of,
Speaker 5: I'll give you that much.
Speaker 2: And like you got to ask the question, what would
Speaker 2: he be worrying about that was in those phone records.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm not any politician about it would have to be.
Speaker 1: I mean they're not.
Speaker 2: They can't do the subpoena and then go oh well,
Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews was talking to Cina Allen on this particular
Speaker 2: day about the Commonwealth Games and that was dodgy. It
Speaker 2: would have to pertain but specifically to this, and so
Speaker 2: you do just have to wonder why he was so
Speaker 2: determined to not reveal what was in it.
Speaker 1: Now the NDAs where we know that there were.
Speaker 2: Reforms planned and Bill Shorten was on Sky yesterday morning
Speaker 2: talking about the fact that he wants to remove sex
Speaker 2: work from the things that would be funded.
Speaker 6: Using prostitutes.
Speaker 9: Is that going to be in the rigs as bad?
Speaker 1: We will rule it out, Yeah, it will all it out.
Speaker 10: That's it's just not a sustainable proposition.
Speaker 1: Okay a report in the news.
Speaker 7: It doesn't pass the test, does it.
Speaker 2: But advocates in the disability sector have spoken out. They
Speaker 2: say that a ban would mean the government deciding who
Speaker 2: could have sex.
Speaker 1: The ABC quoted.
Speaker 2: Disability Australia President Matt I should have read that before
Speaker 2: I came on in marraik Yonkers.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it makes as much sense as what she said.
Speaker 2: She said, while it's not for every NDAs participant, it
Speaker 2: has facilitated those supports for people to live an ordinary life,
Speaker 2: and sexual expression is part of an ordinary life as
Speaker 2: a human being.
Speaker 1: Changing this law would mean you.
Speaker 2: Are now actually having the government choose whether some people
Speaker 2: with disability are having sex. Joe, I just thought all
Speaker 2: that was saying was if you want to see a
Speaker 2: sex worker, you have to pray.
Speaker 3: For it yourself.
Speaker 8: Yes, I mean that's certainly what I have to do.
Speaker 8: So I don't see why.
Speaker 1: Papers a curious look.
Speaker 8: It is certainly true that, you know, for someone who
Speaker 8: has a disability and with all the issues that can bring.
Speaker 8: So you know, if you have a physical disability, often
Speaker 8: you do feel you know, I'm not attractive anymore. This
Speaker 8: is awful, no one's ever going to want me again.
Speaker 8: And you know, having having sex with someone can be
Speaker 8: a way of getting out confidence back, and it can
Speaker 8: be very therapeutic and supportive. So I dont actually disagree
Speaker 8: with that. The question is where does that sit on
Speaker 8: the list of priorities for people with disabilities in a
Speaker 8: scheme that unless a huge amount of work is done
Speaker 8: very very quickly and comprehensively will be so completely unaffordable
Speaker 8: that basically no one will get anything. And so I
Speaker 8: think you have to prioritize, you have to focus on
Speaker 8: the basics. You know, you have to start with you know,
Speaker 8: and again, my best maid is quadriplegic. You know, start
Speaker 8: with making sure that he can actually get out of
Speaker 8: bed each day. Yes, And start with making sure he
Speaker 8: can actually you know, have the ot he needs to
Speaker 8: be able to use a computer and get a job
Speaker 8: or whatever.
Speaker 6: That sad, that's right.
Speaker 8: And then if there's cash left over, we can talk
Speaker 8: about these, but there won't be any cash so much.
Speaker 2: Then that very quickly before we go lists. After ditching
Speaker 2: Australia Day merchandise in January, Woolies has now decided that
Speaker 2: they're going to stock Australian flags for the Olympics. And
Speaker 2: not only have they said they're going to stock Australian
Speaker 2: flags for the Olympics in Paris, they're going to keep them.
Speaker 1: There all the time. Now, what a backflip, what a
Speaker 1: turn around.
Speaker 5: Of course, it's easy to do this now because it's
Speaker 5: not in celebration of our national day. So they can
Speaker 5: say no, this is patriotic in terms of we're supporting
Speaker 5: our guys at the Olympics, nothing controversial about that. But
Speaker 5: on our day of days, our National Day, the day
Speaker 5: in which we celebrate the birthday of modern Australia, those
Speaker 5: flogs fell over period. May they never be forgotten for
Speaker 5: that And now they say no, no, we'll keep them
Speaker 5: stocked next Australia Day and the Australia Day after that.
Speaker 5: I can't wait to see them actually deliver on that
Speaker 5: because I don't know about you, but I have my doubts.
Speaker 1: National pride is okay sometimes and not others. Listora Joe Hildebrand.
Speaker 2: You can see them both again at ten pm on
Speaker 2: the Late Debate Don't miss it.
Speaker 1: Still to come. Australia's military gets a major.
Speaker 2: Boost for its arsenal, but is it enough? Plus silence
Speaker 2: from labor on indigenous issues as a snap down is
Speaker 2: declared for Alice Springs, Liberal Senator Karen Little joining mist
Speaker 2: Will communities are calling for a more targeted approach to
Speaker 2: the people impacted by the removal of the cashless debit card.
Speaker 1: They believe it.
Speaker 2: Should be brought back in some way, and this comes
Speaker 2: after a report into the cessation of the CDC by
Speaker 2: the Albanezi government in twenty twenty two, and this found
Speaker 2: that it resulted in a surge of gambling and alcohol
Speaker 2: related violence across the trial sites, which included Sir Juna
Speaker 2: in South Australia. Well, joining me now is Liberal Senator
Speaker 2: for South Australia Karen Little. Karen, it seems pretty clear
Speaker 2: that the cashless Welfare Card was at least in some
Speaker 2: way doing the job it was meant to do. Its
Speaker 2: removal has meant to return to the social ills we
Speaker 2: saw before. Surely there is no argument to continue with
Speaker 2: its removal.
Speaker 11: Well, this evaluation suggested spectacular fail when you take into
Speaker 11: account when the Greens, the Labor government and Senator David
Speaker 11: Pocock voted to end the cash list debit card enthusiastically,
Speaker 11: they said that it would empower communities, it would make
Speaker 11: communities better. Well, that hasn't happened. The evidence has been
Speaker 11: clear for some time from the very people who actually
Speaker 11: live in those communities that this little experiment by the
Speaker 11: Albanezy Labor government has not worked, is actually caused untold
Speaker 11: turmoil in these communities and certainly hasn't improved the lives
Speaker 11: of anyone there well.
Speaker 2: Of course, the argument that the government has made is
Speaker 2: that we should be able to trust people to make
Speaker 2: their own decisions. It's not right for the government to
Speaker 2: dictate how they do and don't spend their money. We
Speaker 2: have to give them a level of responsibility. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: in general, I certainly agree with the concept of personal responsibility,
Speaker 2: but what we have to acknowledge is that we the taxpayer,
Speaker 2: are giving these sums of money to people, and there
Speaker 2: are often children and vulnerable people involved. It's an abrogation
Speaker 2: of the government's duty and responsibility to just hand that
Speaker 2: money over and expect that it's going to be used
Speaker 2: to feed kids when.
Speaker 1: We know that's not what's happening.
Speaker 11: Well, when you take into account this is money that
Speaker 11: is given to these people because they either are on pension,
Speaker 11: income support, pension or.
Speaker 6: Some other form of income support.
Speaker 11: You've got to take into account.
Speaker 10: You know, we know from.
Speaker 11: This evaluation that alcohol misuses up, violence is up, gambling
Speaker 11: is up, the wellbeing of children is down, and people
Speaker 11: who are in those communities down. The cost of this
Speaker 11: has been some two hundred million plus to abolish this card,
Speaker 11: and that doesn't even take into account the social the
Speaker 11: health costs of this, the medical costs, the business costs.
Speaker 11: It's been an extraordinary cost this experiment, in addition to
Speaker 11: funding people to be on welfare.
Speaker 2: Well, the pleas of the Mayor of Siduna and others
Speaker 2: have been that, look, even if you're not going to
Speaker 2: bring back a full scale version of this card, and
Speaker 2: of course it was a trial to begin with, then
Speaker 2: at least bring back something that targets those people who
Speaker 2: struggle to budget their welfare money properly. I mean, and
Speaker 2: that's not a big ask, It's a pretty simple ask.
Speaker 2: Just please do something to help those who are the
Speaker 2: most vulnerable. How could the government say no to that?
Speaker 11: Well, that's the whole thing, right, This card was about
Speaker 11: protecting the most vulnerable. It wasn't about taking people's rights away.
Speaker 11: The communities in which this card was trialed and actually
Speaker 11: asked for this card, it was the inner city elites,
Speaker 11: it was inner city electorates. It was the Greens and
Speaker 11: the Albanize government and some independents who actually said take
Speaker 11: it away. You know, I was in the Junia earlier
Speaker 11: this year and I traveled there just after nearly every
Speaker 11: single business in that wrote to members of Parliament to
Speaker 11: say we can't deal with this anymore. This has gone
Speaker 11: way too far. Bring the card back. So this government
Speaker 11: hasn't been listening to people in those towns.
Speaker 2: And of course many of the people who were part
Speaker 2: of the trial were Indigenous, and I mean it seems
Speaker 2: to be that the federal government was all going home
Speaker 2: about Indigenous issues of course, when it was trying to
Speaker 2: sell the voice to Parliament. You've got this, then you've
Speaker 2: got today a snap curfew that's been declared for Alice
Speaker 2: Springs for the next three nights because you've had what
Speaker 2: has been described as a horror string of incidents in
Speaker 2: the back town.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's the.
Speaker 2: Alleged assault of four off duty police officers by a
Speaker 2: group of twenty youths, and it goes on and on,
Speaker 2: and the Police Commissioner says he won't hesitate to extend
Speaker 2: the curfew further.
Speaker 1: But we really have not heard.
Speaker 2: A peep out of the federal government about Alice Springs,
Speaker 2: for instance, for the last year or so. You know,
Speaker 2: the PM went up there and had a quick visit
Speaker 2: and disappeared and then the issue you sort of fell
Speaker 2: off the radar. But there's still very much going through
Speaker 2: this trouble as well.
Speaker 11: Well, Caleb, you know the Prime Minister did go up there,
Speaker 11: but he of course flew in on the day when
Speaker 11: takeaway alcohol was not allowed in Alice Springs, and he
Speaker 11: went on radio the next morning.
Speaker 1: To say he didn't see very much.
Speaker 11: Well, you know, he's got a security onto arch and
Speaker 11: he let everybody know he.
Speaker 1: Was coming, and he was there on a Monday night.
Speaker 11: Well that's when the whole town gets some respite and
Speaker 11: those fantastic frontline workers get some respite. What is the
Speaker 11: parallels between the cash the Stepit car and what's happening
Speaker 11: in Alice Springs is the two events that have happened
Speaker 11: in Alice Springs in very recent times. Territory Day where
Speaker 11: everybody can go out and spend money on fireworks, and
Speaker 11: then the weekend we've had the Alice Springs Show.
Speaker 1: Well, do you know what this is? Actually some I reckon.
Speaker 1: I don't have to put money on it.
Speaker 11: There's some pretty irresponsible decision making going on about where
Speaker 11: people's priorities are of spending their money. So we really
Speaker 11: have to look at those services that are getting so
Speaker 11: much money to deliver support to these people. What are
Speaker 11: they actually doing what are they preparing for when they
Speaker 11: know it's likely that these issues are going to arise.
Speaker 11: When you've got a great big bunch of people, and
Speaker 11: those people, not all of them, decide to spend their
Speaker 11: money and cause mayhem.
Speaker 1: Karen, it'll thank you for your time, Thank you well.
Speaker 2: Australia's defense force is set to be equipped with new
Speaker 2: deadly drones, in a major boost for its arsenal about time.
Speaker 2: The federal government has announced these small switchblade three hundred
Speaker 2: drones which are designed in the United States and it's
Speaker 2: made to crash into enemies and explode on impact. Joining
Speaker 2: me now is Strategic Analysis Australia's head of Research, Marcus Hellier.
Speaker 2: Marcus explain what exactly these things are and how significant
Speaker 2: this is to our weaponry.
Speaker 10: H Good evening Taylor.
Speaker 6: Well, it's a useful capability.
Speaker 10: It's something that infantry soldiers can carry with them. It's portable,
Speaker 10: it's something they can set up quickly and it will
Speaker 10: allow them to target soft targets out to arrange about
Speaker 10: twenty kilometers, so if they are being attacked by a
Speaker 10: sniper or being attacked by an enemy team armed with mortars, they.
Speaker 6: Could respond to that.
Speaker 10: It's not a long range drone of the kind you're
Speaker 10: showing at the moment. It's man portable, it's small, and
Speaker 10: what I would say is it's the kind of thing
Speaker 10: that we should be taking for granted now as part.
Speaker 6: Of the basic equipment of soldiers.
Speaker 10: So just like they have rifles and they have bullets,
Speaker 10: they should have these kinds of drones. But the really
Speaker 10: amazing thing is it's taken us literally decades for the
Speaker 10: Australian Defense Department to acquire things like this.
Speaker 6: And you know, I think the.
Speaker 10: Big question is is why are we still so far
Speaker 10: behind the curve in the Australian Defense departments have taken
Speaker 10: us over a decade.
Speaker 6: To catch up.
Speaker 2: Well, that is precisely the question. And I mean we
Speaker 2: talk about drone capability. In the images that we were showing,
Speaker 2: there certainly some large, more long range, sophisticated drones. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, other countries have been getting onto this technology
Speaker 2: and as you note, we've been really behind the eight
Speaker 2: ball for some time. So it's great that we're getting
Speaker 2: these things involved, but I'm not sure that it really
Speaker 2: puts us that much further forward.
Speaker 10: No, it doesn't put us further forward. It's really just
Speaker 10: catching up with what's the industry's standard. I mean, Switchblade
Speaker 10: was originally developed by the Americans for the war in Afghanistan,
Speaker 10: and they put it into service in twenty twelve, so
Speaker 10: that's twelve years ago. Terrorist groups such as ISIS and
Speaker 10: Al Kaeda have been making and using homemade equivalents to
Speaker 10: this for over a decade. In Ukraine, we see the
Speaker 10: Ukrainian using thousands of drones literally every day, and this,
Speaker 10: as far as I can tell, is the first lethal
Speaker 10: drone that the Australian Defense sports has actually acquired. And
Speaker 10: so I'm just perplexed that's taken us this long, particularly
Speaker 10: when there are Australian companies SMEs here in Australia that
Speaker 10: can produce this technology and in fact have already been
Speaker 10: exporting this technology to other countries.
Speaker 2: I ask this question of everyone I talk to about defense,
Speaker 2: so you're not going to be an exception. Why do
Speaker 2: you think it has taken us so long to do
Speaker 2: something like this? I mean, I mean our defense procurement
Speaker 2: over the past decade at the very least, and that
Speaker 2: covers both the Albanezi government and then the various iterations
Speaker 2: of the Coalition government have been absolutely abysmal. We are
Speaker 2: so far behind the eight ball. Why did no one
Speaker 2: wake up and do anything.
Speaker 6: Well, it's not a question of money.
Speaker 10: I mean, the Australian taxpayer is giving the Australian Defense
Speaker 10: Department fifty five billion dollars a year, so there is
Speaker 10: a lot of money there and I think we should
Speaker 10: be expecting better. There's a number of reasons. I think
Speaker 10: one is there's a deep distrust in the Australian Defense
Speaker 10: Department about Australian industry. I used to work in the
Speaker 10: Defense Department and I experienced it. So there is this
Speaker 10: view that if you want something good, you have to
Speaker 10: go to the Americans, and you have to go to
Speaker 10: the big prime companies like Boeing and Lockheed Martin. But
Speaker 10: really that's a nonsense. I mean, the thing is, we
Speaker 10: can go and buy this system off the shelf from
Speaker 10: an American company, and we can stockpile hundreds or a
Speaker 10: few thousand of these things. But I'll tell you, on
Speaker 10: day two of the war, we've probably run out of them,
Speaker 10: and you're not going to be able to get them
Speaker 10: in a hurry on the global market when a big
Speaker 10: war starts. So if we want to be ready for
Speaker 10: the next war. We need robust Australian companies, Australian industry
Speaker 10: that can produce these things and also up grade them
Speaker 10: because on day two of the war, the enemy will
Speaker 10: have worked out how to counter them, and we need
Speaker 10: to work out the next version that can overcome the
Speaker 10: adversaries countermeasures.
Speaker 6: I mean, this is.
Speaker 10: The what we're seeing every day in Ukraine, this rapid
Speaker 10: lightning evolution. And if we're just buying a product from
Speaker 10: off the shelf from overseas, we're not going to have
Speaker 10: the capability to adapt rapidly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Look for a country that sits so close to China,
Speaker 2: it's quite frankly pathetic. I can't believe we're in this position.
Speaker 2: Marcus Hellier, thank you so much for your time. Well
Speaker 2: after the break concerns of a political uprising, as senior
Speaker 2: labor figures can see that key seats could be lost
Speaker 2: to Muslim independence and later chaos on the streets of
Speaker 2: Paris as the far left cellar breaks quote unquote their
Speaker 2: election don't go away well off, talks of a new
Speaker 2: political movement ramp up. Two senior labor figures have conceded
Speaker 2: that two key seats could be lost to Muslim in dependents.
Speaker 2: According to an exclusive report by the Daily Telegraph, now
Speaker 2: there are concerns that this could replicate the latest British election,
Speaker 2: in which Labour's victory was dampened somewhat even though they
Speaker 2: won so many seats because its core Muslim voter base
Speaker 2: chose to back pro Palestinian candidates instead. Joining me now
Speaker 2: is former chief of staff to Bill Shorten and GXO
Speaker 2: Strategies director Cameron Milner and former Labor MP Michael Danby. Michael,
Speaker 2: what do you make of the threat, particularly to Western Sydney,
Speaker 2: of Muslim voters getting together and backing in a Muslim
Speaker 2: candidate against people like Tony Burke for instance.
Speaker 9: I'm sure they will. But if Labor maintains its nerves,
Speaker 9: if Dutton maintains his nerves, these French parties can be
Speaker 9: stared down. Starmer only won four hundred plus votes after
Speaker 9: two years of blood and guts struggle against the Prohamas
Speaker 9: Corby Night left in his own party, and the average
Speaker 9: brit then thought they were fit for office. So let's
Speaker 9: not think about the swings. But before thinking about the
Speaker 9: roundabout the average Joss. He has got to think that
Speaker 9: the political party is electable and will not give into
Speaker 9: these wild eyed fanatics. That's more important than three seats
Speaker 9: in the western suburbs.
Speaker 2: And of course it's not as though we haven't seen
Speaker 2: the propensity for the western suburbs of Sydney Cameron to
Speaker 2: vote for an independent before, I mean dire Lee.
Speaker 1: Of course toppled.
Speaker 2: Of course, so Scenic cannearly when she ran, and of
Speaker 2: course she was a ring in and there was a
Speaker 2: big campaign about But it's not like it's off the cards.
Speaker 1: To get an independence out there.
Speaker 7: Well not at all, Caleb, and I think the thing
Speaker 7: here is it's not about whether the Muslim candidate gets
Speaker 7: up because under compulsive proferential that may be difficult in
Speaker 7: the first past, but what it does to the labor primary.
Speaker 7: The Muslim vote could have the Labor primary in some
Speaker 7: of these Western Sydney seats. And if not for Tony Burke,
Speaker 7: who's going around as a low called surrender monkey to
Speaker 7: amms of Prince g Hard, who hate preaches his own
Speaker 7: local Electric, he is pandering to the Muslim extremes. Is
Speaker 7: Electric desperate not to offend them because he's desperately worried
Speaker 7: that his primary, which is sixty percent or thereabouts could
Speaker 7: be halved and then suddenly he becomes incredibly vulnerable to
Speaker 7: Green's in thee Penans and others winning a seat like Watson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, Cameron, So go on, Cameron. We can't.
Speaker 9: We can't let some you know, concerns about those couple
Speaker 9: of seats jeopardized Labour's ability to win seats in Queensland, Regional,
Speaker 9: New South Wales, even Victoria and West Australia. If people
Speaker 9: think that we're surrendering to the wild eyed fanatics, the
Speaker 9: Corby Knites or the Erzdats Corby Knites, they won't vote
Speaker 9: for us. It's the main center of Australian politics, just
Speaker 9: as in Britain, that we should be concerned about. And
Speaker 9: that's why Starma wore the what won the four hundred
Speaker 9: Okay he lost five in Corburn won his seat a
Speaker 9: big deal. They're not going to have any influence on
Speaker 9: the next government of Britain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right in that you can't give into it.
Speaker 2: I just hope some people in the Labor Party understand
Speaker 2: that let's move from Labor.
Speaker 1: To the Greens. We've seen plenty.
Speaker 2: Of outrage today and yesterday over Green Senator Marine Ferruki,
Speaker 2: who refused to say whether Hamas should be dismantled. Here
Speaker 2: she was on Insiders, Tamas need to be dismantled.
Speaker 12: Well, listen, the situation with Hamasa is that it has nothing.
Speaker 12: I can't keep repeating it again and again. It has
Speaker 12: nothing to do with Palestinian statehood and Palestinian self.
Speaker 1: The question was we have dismantled the.
Speaker 12: Palestinians need to decide where they want to go with
Speaker 12: their own region.
Speaker 1: It's just pathetic.
Speaker 2: And in that same interview Cameron, she refused to say
Speaker 2: that the protests at Parliament House were a security breach.
Speaker 2: She said she was proud of Adam of Payman for
Speaker 2: voting against labor. I mean, you know, I just can't
Speaker 2: get over this stuff. If you asked a very simple question,
Speaker 2: should they be dismantled, why can't you just give a
Speaker 2: simple answer.
Speaker 7: Well, And she also said the Australian War Mean Memorial
Speaker 7: was just another building, so it should be allowed to
Speaker 7: be refeited. I mean, she's a disgrace. She has completely
Speaker 7: lost to moral compass on her Mass. I mean her
Speaker 7: Mass is a terrorist organization that murdered and raped and
Speaker 7: took hostage women and Faruki stands up there and says
Speaker 7: she's an anti racist in her Wikipedia profile. Now she's
Speaker 7: completely lost a moral compass, and her master just proves how.
Speaker 1: Extreme the Greens really are.
Speaker 2: You'd have to wonder, Michael, whether or not Labor, if
Speaker 2: it has its brains together, goes into any preference deals
Speaker 2: with the Greens from this point on this right, because surely,
Speaker 2: in the same discussion that we were talking about before,
Speaker 2: this is not the time that you want to be
Speaker 2: sidling up to to someone like the Greens. And they
Speaker 2: have to take a stand and say no, we're not
Speaker 2: going to accept this equivocacy that we keep seeing from them.
Speaker 6: Well, I don't think we should be swapping preferences.
Speaker 9: I think you were right at the beginning of the program,
Speaker 9: Kaleb that they're probably going to be forced into coalition
Speaker 9: with the Teals. But the Canberra Press Gallery and the
Speaker 9: Labor Party have to do their job and document what
Speaker 9: Marine Feruki said on Insiders is only part of the picture.
Speaker 9: Do you or your listeners know that the Green Political
Speaker 9: Party has voted against every piece of national security legislation
Speaker 9: that have secured the safety of Australians Since September the
Speaker 9: eleventh every piece of legislation, and what's their attitude.
Speaker 6: On the death tax. I want to know their attitude
Speaker 6: on the death tax. On all of these kinds of issues.
Speaker 6: They should be examined like any other political party. Let
Speaker 6: off scot free.
Speaker 9: They get off easier than Joe Biden, and that you
Speaker 9: shouldn't be had to be and that's the.
Speaker 6: Way of defeating them, to expose them for what they are.
Speaker 2: Now, I want to get your thoughts on the latest
Speaker 2: news poll data. I went through it earlier in the show,
Speaker 2: but it shows that the Coalition has sort of creeped
Speaker 2: the head of Labor in New South Wales, it's increased
Speaker 2: its lead in Queensland. It is early days, Cameron, but
Speaker 2: if we were to go to an early election, the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister does have a thing or two to worry.
Speaker 7: About because Labour's primaries move nowhere and it's in fact
Speaker 7: gone backwards in large terms in terms of trend. And
Speaker 7: remember back in March of last year when sixty forty
Speaker 7: was the vote for the vote yes and everyone thought
Speaker 7: it was okay, and everyone said, oh, but Queensland's gone bad.
Speaker 1: But that's okay.
Speaker 7: The album is to said we can to lose one
Speaker 7: state and they lost two states. No, this is a
Speaker 7: really interesting trend and Peter Dutton's onto something here in
Speaker 7: terms of the way in which he's assidiously working down
Speaker 7: the labor primary and New South Wales is the largest
Speaker 7: state with a huge number of marginal seats in it.
Speaker 7: So no, I think this Newspoll's alarm bells for labor.
Speaker 2: Now Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, he's attacked Peter Dutton, this bloke,
Speaker 2: I mean, he should not be in the Liberal Party.
Speaker 2: He's called him a thug on the Project on Channel
Speaker 2: ten last night.
Speaker 1: Take a listen.
Speaker 13: What sort of prime minister will Peter Dunton.
Speaker 6: Make if he wins?
Speaker 7: I think that's something we should contemplate with dread.
Speaker 1: Really is a thug?
Speaker 2: I mean, Michael, for heaven's sake, why is this man?
Speaker 2: I mean, and you know, as a labor man you
Speaker 2: probably think this is fantastic, But why is this man
Speaker 2: still a member of the Liberal Party so openly as
Speaker 2: an ex prime minister denouncing the guy who the party
Speaker 2: which he is a member would like to be the
Speaker 2: next Prime Minister of the country.
Speaker 6: Well, first, I didn't know the Project was still airing.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 9: Can he do now, and they probably got altern Beleon
Speaker 9: there to try and boost the last minute to me
Speaker 9: at ratings.
Speaker 6: But I admire loyalty in politics.
Speaker 9: You know, people admire John Howard even if they're not liberals,
Speaker 9: because he's a loyal liberal man. And Malcolm's entitled to
Speaker 9: his views. But don't you think one of those dummies
Speaker 9: on the project could have asked him, aren't you personally motivated,
Speaker 9: mister Turnbull because mister Dutton voted against you and organized
Speaker 9: numbers against you at the last preselection. And aren't your
Speaker 9: answers a bit self interested? You see, if they did
Speaker 9: that and they had a bit of conflict on their
Speaker 9: program with some of the easy interviews they give, they
Speaker 9: might get their listeners back.
Speaker 2: I just cannot believe the guys still eve they're the
Speaker 2: miserable ghost. He strikes again, Cameron Michael, thank you so
Speaker 2: much for your time. After the break, calls for Joe
Speaker 2: Barden to step aside Row Louder.
Speaker 1: As he bumbles through another public event.
Speaker 2: Kacha Garda will join the next Well, there's pressure mounts
Speaker 2: on Joe Barden to quit the race. He continues to
Speaker 2: campaign and desperately hemps to prove to Americans that he's
Speaker 2: up to the job. But it doesn't really matter how
Speaker 2: hard he tries. The US President simply cannot keep up,
Speaker 2: let alone stand up, even when his aides are prompting
Speaker 2: him to.
Speaker 8: Let us stand together.
Speaker 1: Well for us, so the law. Oh my god, it's
Speaker 1: so hard to watch.
Speaker 2: And it comes as visitor logues have revealed that the
Speaker 2: president's physician met with a Parkinson's disease specialist in the
Speaker 2: White House. For more, let's bring in Sky News contributor
Speaker 2: Kosher Garda Kosher. I mean, you know, the calls for
Speaker 2: from the Dems for him to exit keep on mounting.
Speaker 2: We see stuff like that today. I know there are
Speaker 2: some in the White House and in the Dems who
Speaker 2: think that it's actually a good thing to get him
Speaker 2: out doing more unscripted appearances.
Speaker 1: I would be keeping him as far away from them
Speaker 1: as possible.
Speaker 14: You know, it is fascinating, Caleb where to be with.
Speaker 14: There's always that was a strategy last time, and the
Speaker 14: pandemic provided extra cover to that strategy. You know, these
Speaker 14: means had gone viral. He's hiding in his basement, campaign
Speaker 14: from his basement, and obviously that playbook worked.
Speaker 11: Now.
Speaker 13: The only thing.
Speaker 14: That's different between now and ten days ago. Is the
Speaker 14: media has decided to cover it because it was so
Speaker 14: undeniably impossible to ignore what broke out on that debate stage.
Speaker 14: And none of these clips are new. There's so many
Speaker 14: going back months and even years like it, as you know,
Speaker 14: but it was very sparse in terms of how the
Speaker 14: media covered it. Now it's out in the open. They're
Speaker 14: clearly in the camp of people pushing for him to
Speaker 14: step down. But I maintain that this is far from over.
Speaker 14: There is not consensus clearly with him but also within
Speaker 14: the party, and it is not a foregone conclusion that
Speaker 14: that is going to happen, though the pressure is certainly mounting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course he also said over the weekend
Speaker 2: that he was going to come in the overflow room
Speaker 2: for that bit of INFOJO Now over in the UK,
Speaker 2: Sir Quis Starmer has of course completed his first day
Speaker 2: on the job and he is proving that he is
Speaker 2: a man.
Speaker 1: Of his words.
Speaker 2: So far is confirmed that the contentious for a wonder
Speaker 2: plan is already dead. It was interesting though, because obviously
Speaker 2: this campaign, this election, we sort of knew what the
Speaker 2: result was going to be, and in fact this win
Speaker 2: was so set in Stone that one New Zealand reporter
Speaker 2: decided to do this.
Speaker 13: The change in power has appeared inevitable for months, if
Speaker 13: not years. Today's result was so predictable I was able
Speaker 13: to confidently film this weeks in advance before flying home
Speaker 13: to New Zealand.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love that so much.
Speaker 2: But what a strange thing to look at with their
Speaker 2: first past the post system of course, where you know,
Speaker 2: Reform had the third highest share of the vote but
Speaker 2: only has five seats. Labor had a pretty low turnout
Speaker 2: overall but has four hundred seats.
Speaker 14: Indeed, and you know, good for that reporter. Maybe she's
Speaker 14: getting an extra day of vacation because she put that
Speaker 14: package together in I think what you mentioned, Caleb would
Speaker 14: have been the more interesting story to really actually cover
Speaker 14: what Reform has done. And I think in some ways
Speaker 14: overperformed in certain groups and what is that going to
Speaker 14: mean for the Stormer Parliament and others. And on the
Speaker 14: Rwanda thing, it's no surprise that is a seminal issue,
Speaker 14: obviously a lightning rod issue between the left and the
Speaker 14: right and so and it was emblematic. So he's not
Speaker 14: wasting a single day getting rid of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just very quickly. We've only got a minute left, Kosher.
Speaker 2: But we've seen the scenes in France today after their
Speaker 2: second round of votes in their national election. The lift
Speaker 2: has done much better than.
Speaker 1: Expected they have.
Speaker 14: There were obviously machinations that were used in that where
Speaker 14: something like two hundred candidates dropped out so that they
Speaker 14: cleared the cannibalization or dilution of anybody who's not from
Speaker 14: Le Pen's party, and the result is what it is.
Speaker 14: France is very very divided tonight and will be at
Speaker 14: least for the next year until a future election is held,
Speaker 14: and that's where we see these riots and other things
Speaker 14: are sadly only going to probably get worse in that period.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the thing I don't understand about this system.
Speaker 2: I mean, it seems like it's gamed against the opposition
Speaker 2: because you get an idea of where things are going
Speaker 2: to go, and then you go for the second round
Speaker 2: and you can basically change your campaign and get candidates
Speaker 2: to drop out to do things like that. I don't
Speaker 2: know that that's entirely fair. Kosher Gada, thank you so
Speaker 2: much for your time.
Speaker 1: That's it for me. I'll be back tomorrow night at
Speaker 1: eight pm.
Speaker 2: Of course, up Now Paul Murray Live, hosted by James Morrow,