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Speaker 1: Okay, the COVID outbreak at the Crossoads Hotel continues up

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Speaker 1: But it's always great to have our premiere on the show.

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Speaker 1: Gladys perogically and welcome Gladys.

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, how are you always good?

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Speaker 3: Gladdus give us the update this morning?

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Speaker 2: Please, Well, look, the update is obviously we're concerned about

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Speaker 2: the outbreak that we've had in mainly in Southwest Sydney,

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Speaker 2: but it's in other places as well, but the numbers

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Speaker 2: are stable. So we're just so grateful that so many

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Speaker 2: people are coming forward and getting tested. So the fact

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Speaker 2: that yesterday we had nearly nineteen thousand people come forward

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Speaker 2: and get tested is fantastic. But I can't stress enough guys,

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Speaker 2: you might not you might be negative on day three

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Speaker 2: who has come forward to tests, but just kay to everybody.

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Speaker 2: We are on high alert. We know that because for

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Speaker 2: the last few months there have been people in Victoria

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Speaker 2: We have to be on high alert in terms of

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Speaker 2: if you're running a business or working in a business,

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Speaker 1: It's amazing to watch Gladys and this must be so

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Speaker 1: hard to track because you get one person who comes

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Speaker 1: Leagues Club. It's just so many more places that are

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Speaker 1: going Now. I know that you want to suppress this

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Speaker 4: And we were doing.

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Speaker 1: We got to a point Gladys where our active cases

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Speaker 4: We're doing really well. If we can.

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Speaker 1: Get close to zero with that, Gladys, it wouldn't it

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Speaker 1: be more beneficial for the state to open up completely

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Speaker 4: Is that realistic?

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Speaker 5: Look?

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Speaker 2: I would love for that the realistic, but unfortunately it's

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Speaker 2: not because a number of things. Firstly, even though all

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Speaker 2: still need to get freight trucks. Three, you still need

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Speaker 2: I mean you're taking people, you're putting them in quarantine,

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Speaker 2: And the best news about all those businesses that have

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Speaker 6: Sorry you mentioned just before international travel what's going on there?

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Speaker 6: Because I think most of us thought that that had ceased.

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Speaker 6: I mean, wouldn't you say Australians who were going to

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Speaker 2: Really they have And it's a bit frustrating. But on

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Speaker 2: And to be honest, that's the decision for the federal government.

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Speaker 2: All we do is is take care of them. But

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Speaker 2: You know, we argue that we wanted to have less

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Speaker 2: once they get here. But we have imposed a scene now.

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Speaker 2: Before it was free. Now we're saying to people, sorry,

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Speaker 2: you've had you know, three or four months to get here,

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Speaker 2: unless you've got hardship or health reasons that stopped you

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Speaker 4: Glaus.

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Speaker 3: It's a day by day game at the moment in

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Speaker 2: I'm never comfortable a pandemic. I worry. I worry a

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Speaker 2: Ever since the Victorian situation became apparent, my warrior levels

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Speaker 4: Had thirteen cases yesterday.

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Speaker 1: What is a what is a case by case where

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Speaker 1: you go all right, now we need hard to think

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Speaker 2: What we're thinking at the moment is because we don't

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Speaker 2: how many Victorians may have come here or how many

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Speaker 2: it's not spreading even further. So one example is we

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Speaker 2: you go into a pub. Right, every pub has to

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Speaker 2: take details down, Every pub has to do certain things

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Speaker 2: on paper, if the business is doing the right thing

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Speaker 2: walks in with the virus, they shouldn't give it to everybody.

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Speaker 1: Else own room, right, correct.

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Speaker 2: But that's the thing because social distancing is supposed to

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Speaker 3: Sorry, the big one two that's being spoken about. And

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Speaker 3: What do you understand as a.

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Speaker 2: Government, Well, I just hear what the health experts tell

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Speaker 2: And even when the vaccine is found, it's been a

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Speaker 2: So what we need to do is have a plan

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Speaker 2: in the South Wales is every time we have an outbreak,

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Speaker 2: have a lockdown, because then every time you come out

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Speaker 2: It's so many things that I think people are worried about,

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Speaker 2: and that's what we always have to balance out. Of

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Speaker 2: record keeping is so important that people are right messily

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, glad as we know how tough this

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Speaker 1: job is for you. Thirteen cases yesterday? Is that higher

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Speaker 3: Can you give us a head exactly lower?

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Speaker 2: You don't get too excited, but it's slightly lower.

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Speaker 4: Right direction twelve Having to get that we are.

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Speaker 2: Still all on my alerge and we just need to

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Speaker 2: be extra careful and just listen to all the health

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