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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannon's.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, Oscar Piastree takes a thirty four point

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Speaker 1: lead in the championship after victory at the Dutch Grand Prix,

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Speaker 1: and after Lando Norris retires with a power unit problem,

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Speaker 1: and Isaac Hadjar collects his first Formula One podium to

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Speaker 1: reassert himself as the second best Red bull Backs driver

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five. My name is Michael Lamonado. It's

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Speaker 1: great to have your company and the company of my

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Speaker 1: co host respectfully. He has his Union Jack flying at

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Speaker 1: half mast. It's mac Clayton.

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Speaker 2: Michael. I would like to say at this point that

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Speaker 2: Oscar Piastre won the Grand Prix, and if you look

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Speaker 2: at the Digi flag behind the podium, there is a

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Speaker 2: Union Jack on the podium, ha ha, just above just

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Speaker 2: with all of those stars that make up the rest

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Speaker 2: of the Australian flag. But yes, there was a slightly

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Speaker 2: black armbands tone going on with the Sky Sports coverage.

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Speaker 2: After things have gone a little bit of rifle landover.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll get to discuss that in the next

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Speaker 2: what six hundred thousand milliseconds of this podcast that are

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Speaker 2: coming up, or if we're measuring things in milliseconds, or

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Speaker 2: as the rest of the motor racing world likes to

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Speaker 2: call it, thousandths of a second. But no matter how

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Speaker 2: you addressed it up, Oscar Piastre was the dominant man

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Speaker 2: in Zandwort and yeah, what a turn in the championship table. Huh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a remarkable series of events after a week

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Speaker 1: of building up. How this championship was definitely going down

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Speaker 1: to the wire and be lucky to get back to

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Speaker 1: double digit differences in the championship tally. Well, here we

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Speaker 1: are more than one race victory ahead for Oscar Piastre

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Speaker 1: and Lando Norris, with it all to do, as they

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Speaker 1: might say, to reclaim the lead, to get back into

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Speaker 1: contention with nine rounds to go. I want to start

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Speaker 1: with Piastre though, before we consider the state of the championship,

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Speaker 1: because he now has nine career victories, equaling Mark Weber's

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Speaker 1: career tally in about a third of the time. As

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Speaker 1: it happens, Thur to the race starts very well, he said,

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Speaker 1: I got seven wins Tonoris's five for the season, five

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Speaker 1: poles to four, and he's collected his first Grand Slam

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Speaker 1: or for the traditionalists among us his first Grand shalem

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Speaker 1: Hove pronounced that correctly, victory from Pole. That's after victory

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Speaker 1: for Pole, having led every lap, fastest lap of the race,

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Speaker 1: and then of course winning the Grand Prix. Matt, you

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Speaker 1: love a good statistic, and this is rare for Australians,

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Speaker 1: rare than I expected.

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Speaker 2: Very rare, and so rare that at about one point

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Speaker 2: fifteen or Monday morning Australian time, I was pinging you

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Speaker 2: this on WhatsApp because I couldn't quite believe what my

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Speaker 2: eyes were showing me. Last time at Australian did that,

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Speaker 2: So pol let every lap won the race, Sir Jack Brabham,

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Speaker 2: Great Britain, nineteen sixty six. That's how far back we're

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Speaker 2: going since an Australian has had a level of dominance

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Speaker 2: over one particular Grand Prix that Piastre had on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: And I think maybe I'm partly surprised that it's been

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Speaker 2: that long, and I'm also partly surprised that it happened

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Speaker 2: here because we spent a lot of last week's podcast,

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Speaker 2: and you spent a lot of time writing for Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports dot com dot Au that this was like an

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Speaker 2: away game for Oscar Piastre in a lot of respects.

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Speaker 2: It's a circuit where Norris has been so good, he's

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Speaker 2: been so fast, and even the course the way the

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Speaker 2: it looked very much part of the course in that

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Speaker 2: it felt to me like it was going to be

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Speaker 2: a damage limitation weekend for Piastre in that yes, okay,

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Speaker 2: if you can qualify on the front row, that's great.

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Speaker 2: If he can only seed seven points in a Lando

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Speaker 2: Norris this weekend, that's actually a pretty good result because

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Speaker 2: there will be races that tracks that suit him better.

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Speaker 2: And then in the end, absolutely brilliant first lap in

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Speaker 2: Q three, those twelve milliseconds at SkySports were wishing could

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Speaker 2: go away, but which meant that Lando Norris started second,

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Speaker 2: and then that just unlocked everything that happened in the race.

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Speaker 2: With Norris not holding that position off the start and

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Speaker 2: Piastri being completely perfect. You would have to say, I'm

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Speaker 2: struggling to think of a wobble or something that went

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Speaker 2: we've seen that over the course of this season. I

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Speaker 2: guess the surprising part for me and I'm sure for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is the thing I've been saying. The

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Speaker 1: aftermath of this race is, of course the championship points

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Speaker 1: But it's actually the victory he was on track for

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Speaker 1: even before Norris retired, that I think was the most impressive, because,

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Speaker 1: he's been weak at. He's only been the sport for

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Speaker 1: the European rounds, he was the highest scoring driver in Europe.

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Speaker 1: And yet this race was was a pretty big weakness.

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Speaker 1: It was a race where you could sort of see

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Speaker 1: year completely the opposite. Despite starting on the back foot,

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Speaker 1: And this is the case in teammate battles that you know,

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Speaker 1: tried that through Friday, couldn't really do what Norris was

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Speaker 1: and just do them better. And the result was We've

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Speaker 1: thought that was really interesting because that's sort of what

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Speaker 1: Two different drivers, different approaches battling for the championship. That

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, completely all the way you phrase that, you know,

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Speaker 2: do the good stuff better, And it's not this case

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Speaker 2: of absolute it's like, well, I have done the best

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Speaker 2: buckles or has an emotional response. You know, we've joke

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Speaker 2: the situations like that where it seems that you have

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Speaker 2: I think that temperament aspect of what it is that

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Speaker 2: It's not surprising to him, it's not surprising to us.

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Speaker 2: We expect this to happen now, and you know, yes, obviously,

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Speaker 2: it's incredibly unfortunate luck for Norris to have a failure

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Speaker 2: second place and McLaren are just you know, they think

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Speaker 2: They're in a different category at the moment. But this

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Speaker 2: of this. We're not going to use the word robbed

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Speaker 2: on with Alex Jakes in our mid season podcast. You

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Speaker 2: look at the tracks where Piastre was weak, and I am

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Speaker 2: using air quotes here because some of them he was

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Speaker 2: The gap that he's been able to bridge this year,

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Speaker 2: thinking places like China where he was a bit lost

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Speaker 2: I think it also accentuates the tracks where we know

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Speaker 2: terms of the things that he can control where's the

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Speaker 2: In the past, it was time management, then it was

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Speaker 2: since Saudi Arabia, then that's absolutely as the championship should

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something in the fact that many of his

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Speaker 1: Nim McLaren won, but finished in that lead group of

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Speaker 1: he won quite comfortably. Their Netherlands he's won now and

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Speaker 1: some feeling, has stopped making those qualifying areas. We haven't

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Speaker 2: Lado Overs into second place and just about lost the car.

433
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Speaker 2: And I thought at the time, the audaciousness of the

434
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Speaker 2: audacity audacious, So speak English in a minute the audacity

435
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Speaker 2: of being able to pull that move off. I'm not

436
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Speaker 2: sure that's a move that too many other drivers would

437
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Speaker 2: have actually had the balls to go for a little

438
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Speaker 2: load the skill to be able to so that was

439
00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,400
Speaker 2: absolutely outstanding. But you probably are going to like where

440
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go here. Move of the week for

441
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Speaker 2: me is Lance Stroll go on. This is a move

442
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Speaker 2: of the week for me because he was so bad

443
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Speaker 2: that he crashed twice as started last and so that

444
00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,080
Speaker 2: springboarded him to naturally a seventh place finish and ahead

445
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Speaker 2: of his teammate in the World Championship standings despite being

446
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Speaker 2: down fifteen zero in qualifying for the season. Somehow Lance

447
00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,680
Speaker 2: Stroll is ahead of Fernando a lot. So with the

448
00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,640
Speaker 2: driver's standings, may I remind you there's another driver that's

449
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Speaker 2: fifteen zero up on their teammates this year in qualifying

450
00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:35,679
Speaker 2: and team mates is the key there, because it's been

451
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Speaker 2: two of them, Max for Stappan. The points gap between

452
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Speaker 2: Max for Stappen and his teammates this year is two

453
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Speaker 2: hundred and five points to twelve. So the fact that

454
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Speaker 2: Lance Stroll has basically just had his backside handed to

455
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Speaker 2: him for fifteen straight weekends crashes twice, lucks out, finishes

456
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Speaker 2: seventh in the race and is ahead of Fernando a lot.

457
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Speaker 2: So with the standings that my friend is move of

458
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Speaker 2: the week, possibly move of the season.

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Speaker 1: That's very good. I like that. And if you want

460
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Speaker 1: to know how Fernando Alonzo took it, just on find

461
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,800
Speaker 1: his post and he didn't take it well. I think

462
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Speaker 1: it would be fair to say, despite of course him

463
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Speaker 1: being contractually obliged to describe Lancetroll regularly as a world

464
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Speaker 1: champion in the making, wasn't happy to finish behind him

465
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Speaker 1: in the contract in which he finished behind him. And yes,

466
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Speaker 1: I really loved the Vistaffan move as well. That was

467
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Speaker 1: my other one, and I reckon out of the twenty

468
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Speaker 1: drivers on the grid, nineteen other ones would have lost

469
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Speaker 1: it immediately and possibly wiped out Piastri if Fiastri was

470
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Speaker 1: one of the nineteen in the process. So I think

471
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Speaker 1: with staff an absolutely great contender. But I look, you

472
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Speaker 1: know what I'm willing if we would have to vote

473
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Speaker 1: between them every week, I'm willing to give it to

474
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Speaker 1: Lancetroll remarkably, this im perpetuity. Let's look at the racing

475
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Speaker 1: a little bit more detail now, because it was one

476
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Speaker 1: other highlight among the results, and that was Isaac Kadja,

477
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Speaker 1: who finished third for his first Grand Prix podium, just

478
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Speaker 1: fifteen rounds into his career. We know he has the

479
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Speaker 1: speed that's been clear all season and was clear in

480
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Speaker 1: the junior categories as well, and we know as well

481
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Speaker 1: from the season, to be fair, that he has the racecraft,

482
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Speaker 1: but this was such an assured performance at a track. Okay,

483
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Speaker 1: we're overtaking his difficult but had much faster cars behind

484
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Speaker 1: you and it was possible to overtake if you had

485
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Speaker 1: a big pace difference, as there should have been him

486
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Speaker 1: between let's say a Mercedes in a racing bulls car

487
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Speaker 1: a Ferrari in a rasing bulls car. But he managed

488
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Speaker 1: to hold on to fourth, which became third of course

489
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 1: when Lando Norris retired. And mad's probably worth reflecting on

490
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Speaker 1: where his season started, which was in the barriers on

491
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Speaker 1: the formation lap, and here he is on the podium.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you said fifteen rounds. Of course that's fourteen Grand

493
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Speaker 2: Prix because he didn't start his debut in Australia because

494
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Speaker 2: he managed to bin it on the way to the grid.

495
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Speaker 2: And we were half joking on Sunday saying, well, fourth

496
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Speaker 2: on the grid, fantastic qualifying lap, but you might get

497
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Speaker 2: a bit dizzy being that high on the grid and

498
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Speaker 2: you've got Max Fastappan next to you, which if you're

499
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Speaker 2: planning on being a Red Bull driver in the future,

500
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Speaker 2: you might give him a fairly wide berth at tw

501
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Speaker 2: one and you've got two title contending McLaren's ahead of

502
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Speaker 2: you and nothing else on the grid. Oh boy, this

503
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 2: could be interesting. But he he never put a foot

504
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Speaker 2: wrong end. Look, yes, the podium was slightly inherited because

505
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,479
Speaker 2: of what have happened to Norris, but in terms of

506
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Speaker 2: being able to cope with being that high up and

507
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Speaker 2: withwithstanding pressure and clearly the racing Bulls is not as

508
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 2: good of a car as some of the cars that

509
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Speaker 2: were behind him, just so very very assured and so

510
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 2: the potentially bad news for isaat Kajaris. He's now being

511
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Speaker 2: considered as the second driver at Red Bull, which is

512
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Speaker 2: where most Formula One careers go to die at this point.

513
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Speaker 2: But he was absolutely fantastic and I love the I

514
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Speaker 2: always love the enthusiasm of a first time podium finisher.

515
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Speaker 2: There's just something quite cool and raw about the whole thing.

516
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Speaker 2: I did enjoy that. I did not enjoy the Racing

517
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Speaker 2: Bulls press release, which I'm sure you've seen, and I

518
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: hope you've managed to block out of your mind. This

519
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 2: is trend, as we know, in a lot of social

520
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 2: media things these days, to just staple two completely unconnected

521
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Speaker 2: words together and come up with a brand new word.

522
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Speaker 2: So when I saw the word hadge odium written at

523
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Speaker 2: the top of the Racing Bulls press release, I was swearing.

524
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Speaker 2: I was reading that in Hungarian or something, and I

525
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Speaker 2: had to ble a couple of times and go, oh, no,

526
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Speaker 2: they've stapled his part of his surname and the fact

527
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Speaker 2: he's been on the podium together and come up with

528
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Speaker 2: a word that I would never like to see or

529
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Speaker 2: say ever again. So bad form by Racing Balls on

530
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Speaker 2: that front. But we'll give them a we'll give them

531
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Speaker 2: a mulligan here, because they don't get on podiums very often.

532
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Speaker 1: No, they don't have a lot of practice for that.

533
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Speaker 1: We'll just wait till he wins it and we get

534
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Speaker 1: them had victory.

535
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Speaker 2: Yes, wonderful, tremendous. I am so old at this point.

536
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Speaker 2: I cannot tolerate this.

537
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Speaker 1: It is very good. It does a little a little

538
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Speaker 1: damp it on the end there and he broke his trophy,

539
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 1: which I didn't like either, because some of the we

540
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Speaker 1: should one day do a ranking of the trophies of

541
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Speaker 1: the Formula one calendar, because this is comfortably among the

542
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Speaker 1: top ones to break it. Oh dear, that is not

543
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Speaker 1: the hadjodium.

544
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Speaker 2: You'd want a rookie mistake.

545
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Speaker 1: Induede, that's quiet. It was a good result for him, obviously, unless,

546
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Speaker 1: of course, he's promoted to Red Bull racing anytime, and

547
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: it could possibly be bad result for him because he's

548
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Speaker 1: firming in that position now, isn't he, or at least

549
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: he is in the minds of those who are observing.

550
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Speaker 1: Because it was another weekend which he was the second

551
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: best red Bull backed driver behind Max Verstaffan Yuki Sonoda.

552
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: I didn't have his worst weekend, to be fair to him,

553
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: I suppose, but also didn't have a particularly great one.

554
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 1: Didn't make it into Q three again. The gap to

555
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: Maxwistappen was half a second in Q two, which is

556
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: much larger than obviously he'd hoped for, but much larger

557
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: than the trend of the previous two rounds had suggested.

558
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: This is, of course, despite him having the upgrades that

559
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: or having most of the upgrades that Maxwis Staffin has.

560
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: In any case, did score points though for the first

561
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,239
Speaker 1: time since the Emilia Romania cranfree in May, which is

562
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: just a remarkable statistic, but not great, not on the

563
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Speaker 1: level of Maxistappin. I guess you could say it's like,

564
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: in a global sense, a little bit improved to the trend.

565
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: But certainly considering we know and he's sort of said

566
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 1: as much for the second part of the season, is

567
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: him fighting to be retained next year? This wasn't the

568
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: start he would have hoped for.

569
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 2: No, And I'm looking at the Haja thing here in

570
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Speaker 2: the context of Christian Hauner not being at Red Bull

571
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 2: and and I'm just wondering if that this new Red

572
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: Bull era here you look at Lawson and you look

573
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 2: at Sonoda and whatever team they're driving for, they feel

574
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 2: a little bit just damaged by the whole experience because

575
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 2: Lawson was in, then he was out, and then he

576
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: was promoted, then he was demoted, and Sonoda's been up

577
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: and down and that even wants him in Formula one.

578
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 2: And then you've got you know, Sergio Brews taking your

579
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: victory lap for how terrible the second how terrible the

580
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: car has been, and my career was much better in retrospect,

581
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 2: and so on and so forth. Hadja because he came

582
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Speaker 2: in with the second team and he hasn't gone up

583
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 2: and down yet, And now you know, it's a new

584
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: Red Bull to a degree, I wonder if there's almost

585
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 2: like you're not sort of tainted by a lot of

586
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: the failures of some of these other guys in the past,

587
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: where they've gone up and down a little bit. There's

588
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: something a little bit more I don't know if innocent's

589
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: quite the right word, but it feels a little bit

590
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 2: more sustainable. And maybe the pressure point there is the

591
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: fact that the other cars now not winning races and

592
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: world championships, and maybe that's the difference here. Whoever ends

593
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 2: up in that second Red Bull seat next year, maybe

594
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 2: there's not this direct comparison to well, you better step

595
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: up because the guy on the other car has just

596
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: won every Grold pre nearly for a season, or he's

597
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 2: won four World championships in a row. Wonder if that

598
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: changes a job description a little bit, And you do

599
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 2: wonder if Sonoda now had Lawson before him, were a

600
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: little bit hamstrung by the fact that the expectations were

601
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: so high because of what the other car was doing,

602
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: and the weight of recent history and red Bull and

603
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 2: Horner presiding all over these World championships. You do wonder

604
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 2: if the job descriptions a little bit different. But we

605
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 2: said this last week that Haja, of all the rookies

606
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Speaker 2: that came on this year, and there was an unusually

607
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: large number of them, he was probably the one that

608
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: we had the lowest expectations for. I would say not unfairly.

609
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 2: I think it's just the way it shook out. And

610
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 2: even before the hadj odium he was ticking most boxes.

611
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: He's done a really, really good job the entire year.

612
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 2: So this result is yeah, bit of an outlier, but

613
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: probably in keeping with the fact that he's just been

614
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: seriously impressive the longer this season's gone on. Yeah, absolutely right,

615
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 2: we say had jotidium. I will never say it again.

616
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: No, please feel free. In fact, I think we should

617
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: anytime anyone finishes on the podium used that naming convention.

618
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 2: Whatever their name is.

619
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that should work. I want to look

620
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: a little bit further down the order as well, because

621
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: this weekend, of course, is the Italian Grand Prix. It's

622
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: back to back. This concludes the European season, unless you

623
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: consider as a jant to be part of Europe. It's

624
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: up to you. I'm not going to wait until politics

625
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: very good. I think that's probably a fair conclusion. Not

626
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: a great weekend for Ferrari started quite poorly on Friday

627
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: with a total lack of pace. By Saturday, in qualifying

628
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: they'd found some pace but were never really in contention

629
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: for pole or even the first couple of rows. But

630
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: at least both got both cars into Q three and

631
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 1: at least Lewis Hamilton looked a little bit back to

632
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: normal this weekend. He was in fact ahead of Charlotte

633
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: Claire for most of the weekend, was only just pipped

634
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: to a better position in qualifying in Q three, but

635
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: nonetheless was very close between them, pleasingly so, I suppose,

636
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: considering where Hamilton ended the first part of the season.

637
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: Then both drivers failed to finished the Grand Prix, Hamilton

638
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: on his own accord getting slipped up on the slippy

639
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: part of the track. One might say, if one were

640
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: in commentary at the turn three, banking on the advertising

641
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: paint there out of the race, and Charlotte their out

642
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: of the race at almost exactly the same place, but

643
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: after being punted by Andrea Kimi Antonelli, who will receive

644
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: a penalty the next race for his next home Grand

645
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: Prix as well for causing that collision. So quite a

646
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: poor result. Still retain second in the constructors Championship, but

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Speaker 1: only just by a little bit ahead of Mercedes. This

648
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Speaker 1: isn't you know? We shouldn't forget when now a couple

649
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Speaker 1: of rounds into the team's upgrade schedule, the upgrades that

650
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: were meant to help this car, he returned to the

651
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Speaker 1: level of competitiveness that enjoyed early in the season before

652
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: it was disqualified in the Chinese Grand Prix, and this

653
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: weekend certainly didn't show much for that argument.

654
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Speaker 2: No, I mean, look, if you were a Marshall and

655
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Speaker 2: you had a dustpan and brush it turn three, he

656
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: could almost build yourself a replica Ferrari, given there were

657
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: bits of a scattered all over the place. But yeah,

658
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: I know, obviously very disappointing. They've had a double DNF

659
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Speaker 2: first D and F for each drive by the way

660
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: here to growlbriy this year. It has fifteen rounds to

661
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: get to that. But it's such a it's such an

662
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Speaker 2: unusual outlier of a track ZANDVOT that it's almost like

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Speaker 2: I need more of a sample size. It's obviously very

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Speaker 2: unfortunate that need a driver finish the race, one through

665
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: their own fault, one through somebody else's. But you know,

666
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Speaker 2: you know, you mentioned mons are coming up. There is

667
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: a little something that Ferrari always tend to find there,

668
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Speaker 2: and I think we need probably a greater spread of

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Speaker 2: circuits now before we decide whether Ferrari is really just

670
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: limping to the finish line of this regulation set or

671
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: whether they'll do the very standard Ferrari thing have been

672
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: really really good at the end of the season where

673
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: there's absolutely nothing to fight for for a rule set

674
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: that's about to go in the same skip as the

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Speaker 2: two cars from last weekend. So yeah, look disappointing on

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Speaker 2: its face because Mercedes has really only got one cast

677
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: scoring at the moment, so there's a chance to build

678
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: a greater advantage there. But I do know about you,

679
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Speaker 2: But because I mentioned twenty twenty six in this rule reset,

680
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: I'm almost not other than the Lewis Hamilton narrative, like

681
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: is this going to get any better? I'm not super

682
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Speaker 2: interested in what Ferrari do now for the rest of

683
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Speaker 2: the season, simply because of this hard reset for next year,

684
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Speaker 2: and we've gone through another rule set and another red

685
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: set where they have one championship, and they've showed intermittent

686
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: flashes and they've fought for some things, and they've had

687
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: some poor years. It almost doesn't matter how they finish

688
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: this season to a degree, because it has to all

689
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Speaker 2: be about twenty twenty six right now, doesn't it. You know,

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00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: you've got the drivers with the pedigree, and you know,

691
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Speaker 2: you know, someone like Charla Clerk still feels to me

692
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Speaker 2: like he's a wheel champion in waiting. Is it always

693
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 2: going to feel like that to me? Because I think

694
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Speaker 2: he's that good. Do we really care that much about

695
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Speaker 2: the rest of the year other than just see if

696
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Speaker 2: Hamilton concerned things around, because surely the bigger prize is

697
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Speaker 2: if we get twenty twenty six right then no one's

698
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Speaker 2: going to care about the last nine rounds of twenty

699
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Speaker 2: twenty five, are we.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really a matter of how hard they're willing

701
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Speaker 1: to brace for the rest of the season. I think

702
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Speaker 1: how much they're willing to cop just to get through

703
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: the year, because unfortunately, with them. The season so long,

704
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Speaker 1: nine races, it's a lot of time to just say, well,

705
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Speaker 1: it's all about next year, isn't it time to keep

706
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Speaker 1: morale up? That has been part of the equation for

707
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Speaker 1: a lot of teams. You know, I'd always like to

708
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: point to sobur in this situation, because they really decided

709
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Speaker 1: not to throw in the towel on this year's car

710
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: when all logic suggests they probably shouldn't have done any

711
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Speaker 1: work on it and just focused on next year. But

712
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Speaker 1: think about the effect that that upturning performance has had

713
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Speaker 1: on that team, making them look look not only just credible,

714
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Speaker 1: but actually make the audi outlook look a little bit

715
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Speaker 1: more positive. Ferrari has tried to develop this car, obviously

716
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: brought upgrades as recently just before the mid season break.

717
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: I don't think they're any more coming, but I think

718
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Speaker 1: there is some motivation and some understandable motivation to at

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Speaker 1: least have a couple of better results for the rest

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Speaker 1: of the year. Can't just rely on that sprint victory

721
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Speaker 1: at the start of the season. It remains me said

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Speaker 1: whether that can happen. Like you say, we need a

723
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: bigger sample size. Zandword is a really particular track I

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Speaker 1: thought it was interesting. On Friday, Charlott Claire said it's

725
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Speaker 1: a track laud as well that just happens to bring

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Speaker 1: out the very specific weaknesses in.

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Speaker 2: The car and highlight them.

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Speaker 1: So maybe we should look at that the way that

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00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: the team kind of turned things around over the course

730
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Speaker 1: of the weekend or improve them as actually quite a

731
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: good sign. And Charlottelaire was in contention for fourth, probably

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00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: would have finished fourth as well, that you're not been

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Speaker 1: eliminated by Andrea Kimi Antonelli and then may finished third

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Speaker 1: or potentially it was in the range for that kind

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00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: of result, so reasonable, I guess at the end for him,

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Speaker 1: And maybe that does give us a little bit of

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Speaker 1: optimism or Ferrari fans a little bit of optimism for

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Speaker 1: the end of the season or at a minimum their

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Speaker 1: home Grand Prix this weekend. They do tend to, like

740
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: you say, find a little bit extra for that. But

741
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Speaker 1: let's look ahead now with the crystal Ball for complete

742
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Speaker 1: home filtration before we wrap this one up, or you

743
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: can look ahead to what is a pretty frenetic time

744
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: in the motorsport calendar across all of our series. In fact,

745
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Speaker 1: as we head towards the end of the year. Why

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Speaker 1: don't you kick us off?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'd just like to point out that my crystal

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Speaker 2: ball reverse chinks of last week worked absolutely beautifully because

749
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: I said that Oscar Piastre would relinquish the leader the

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Speaker 2: World Championship for the first time since Saudi Arabia when

751
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: he finishes at zandvort So I did also say that,

752
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: now how my crystal ball usually works, that'll be completely wrong,

753
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,239
Speaker 2: and so at least I've got one thing right. I

754
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: was right about being wrong. But look my crystal ball

755
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: this weekend, and I think it's off the back of

756
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: what we're talking about here. Charla Claire has finished no

757
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: worse than fourth at Monza for the past four runnings

758
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: of the Italian Grand Prix. We know he's won it twice.

759
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: I'm saying that Charla Clire splits the McLaren's at Monza

760
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Speaker 2: and finishes second this weekend, and all will be right

761
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: in the Ferrari world, because we'll then leave Monza and

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Speaker 2: go to the final eight rounds of the year where

763
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: they will do absolutely nothing, but everything will be completely

764
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Speaker 2: fine because the Toofosi get to invade the track and

765
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Speaker 2: Charlotte Cliff finishes second at Monza. But I don't know

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Speaker 2: what's in your crystal ball, but mine's glowing nice and

767
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: red this week.

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Speaker 1: Yes, very good. I like that a lot dovetails very

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Speaker 1: well with mine, which was simply that Ferrari was going

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Speaker 1: to win this weekend, or for no reason other than

771
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Speaker 1: the fact that seems like the kind of thing that

772
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Speaker 1: would happen in such a bleak and hopeless season that

773
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Speaker 1: they will win one race. It'll happen to be their

774
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Speaker 1: home race. Because I suspect and Matt, you've been watching

775
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: the sport obviously long enough longer than I have, would

776
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: follow this trend as well. That I think when they

777
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: have poor years, unless they're really really poor, like I'm

778
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: thinking back to twenty twenty, which is really bad, at

779
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: some point they go, well, we've got to do well

780
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: in Monza at least, and they think about what's going

781
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: to happen in Monza. They turn their attention to Monza,

782
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: they turn up they have a really good result there.

783
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 1: Second would be very good for them. But I think

784
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: in this championship season, unusual things sometimes happened at this

785
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: magic track. I think we're going to get a victory.

786
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say who I'd be tempted to

787
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: say Lewis Helpton, but I think that's just too outlandic

788
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: even for this segment. But a victory for Ferrari at.

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Speaker 2: Home, How would Sky Sports cope if it was Hamilton

790
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: beating Norris for first versus second? How many Union flags

791
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 2: have you got and be with? Oh, but the other

792
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: guy needs to win the championship. But you know what's

793
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: really interesting you mentioned that that Ferrari wins this weekend.

794
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: You forgot to add is that they would win and

795
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: they wouldn't know why, or they wouldn't know how, and

796
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: that's the best.

797
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: Win and they'll be disqualified. It'll be one of those two.

798
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: It'll be one of those ones where if you ask

799
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: them where they found the extra performance and place over

800
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: the course of the weekend, the response would be so

801
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 2: like just because just as vibes. But I do like that.

802
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: But look, we love Monza because again outlier of outliers.

803
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: It is such an unusual track in modern day formula.

804
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: But I think it because of the way the cars

805
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: now race and how wide they are, and we're looking

806
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 2: at the chicanes there. There's a ferocity to the racing

807
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 2: there that I remember last year, like Carlos Science last year,

808
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: it was like I've never seen him so Fastyart a

809
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 2: Grand Prix, fantastic to watch, and there's just something about

810
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: the energy and the fact that this race is the

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Speaker 2: shortest race in terms of giration. It's all over very

812
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Speaker 2: very quickly. There's this intensity about Monzoa that I love

813
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 2: and that's only magnified when Ferrari does well. So by

814
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Speaker 2: me putting a Ferrari and second and new having them

815
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Speaker 2: on the top step, perhaps we're just cheering for the

816
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: narrative of a nice intense weekend because there'll be a

817
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: lot of other weekends when we go to tracks with

818
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: less passionate fans or eddy fans at all. Quite frankly,

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00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: when we get towards the end of the year, that yeah,

820
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: that we won't quite have the same we won't quite

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Speaker 2: have the same enjoyment.

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00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: Perhaps yes, so I mean if it is a one too,

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00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: it's can be interesting. Or perhaps that means it's another DNF.

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00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: Considering our run of predictions on the crystal ball. We'll

825
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Speaker 1: wait and see next week because that's all the time.

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