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Speaker 1: Hi Paul, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: It's an absolute pleasure. Thank you for returning the Fever

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Speaker 2: And why do we I said, I want to come back,

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Speaker 1: dietary preferences. They have to eat their cups, and then

434
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Speaker 1: they don't want to implement this to the patients, and

435
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: they say it's not sustainable because they can't sustain it themselves,

436
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: and then haven't looked into the science into it.

437
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just to throw in the political stuff

438
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: and the people who have their entire careers on it.

439
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: But I think we do need to recognize AVI here,

440
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: and you brought it up that there's a difference between

441
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: a low carbohydrate diet where lots of the nutrients are

442
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: replaced with protein, and stuff with the low carb high fat,

443
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: and particularly when that is saturated fat. So I think

444
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: some of the concerns are high amounts of saturated fat

445
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: can cause fatty liver disease, which can then drive into

446
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: in resistance. And it seems to be when you dig

447
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: into the research that there are genetics involved. Like any

448
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: nutritional study, this is the thing when people draw conclusions

449
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: on nutritional studies or any study, when they're talking about

450
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: the results, that's the average spread across everybody in the study.

451
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: It's really interesting when you look at research papers that

452
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: publish not only averages but the individual data, because you

453
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: will often see people doing extremely well and then others

454
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: not doing well on the same dieta or the CM intervention.

455
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: But when you average it out, there's a statistically significant improvement.

456
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: And that's really important for people to understand, isn't it

457
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: is that there are individual differences that are largely based

458
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: on your genetic makeup and your epigenum in all of this, right, So,

459
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: I think there's always nuance with the conversation, particularly when

460
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: we're talking about research.

461
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. And there's a very latest study that came

462
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: out about diabetes increry. Low carbon interstring increases the risk

463
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: of diabetes. It's only in the last week or so

464
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Speaker 1: that's come out. I don't know if you've heard about study.

465
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: It's all over the low car world and the low

466
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: card world isn't really very happy about this study increasing

467
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: the risk of diabetes. What happens is they categorize these

468
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: in this study. They it was a big number. It

469
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: was in Melbourne, seventeen thousand participants over ten years. They

470
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Speaker 1: had five groups, and the low carb group wasn't actually

471
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Speaker 1: low carp. The dimitary cover hydreds constituted thirty seven thirty

472
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: eight percent of their calorie intake, which to the low

473
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: cup people it's actually not really low cups.

474
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: So most of us that's not low car.

475
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, most of us would eat way less than

476
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: thirty eight percent of our calories. And to top that,

477
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: this group which they said is low carb group actually

478
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: started off with higher b and my higher waist accumpery

479
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: and they also had more ex smokers, more X alcohol drinkers,

480
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: and they based it on food frequency questionnaires, which is

481
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: highly unreliable. People don't really remember what they ate. So

482
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: there's a few doctors in the local world, including doctor

483
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: Paul Mason, that actually recorded in the low cup down

484
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: on the YouTube channel. People can go into that a

485
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: rebuttal on this study and we're actually signing a request

486
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Speaker 1: to withdraw this study from being published because it's it's

487
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: not reliable study and it's scaring people from low carb

488
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Speaker 1: diets for a treatment of diabetes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I know Paul Mis and I presented at him

490
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: with him at a conference. He's brilliant, brilliant doctor. As

491
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: you were saying that, if people could see me, I'm

492
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: just shaking my hand and just discuss because there's so

493
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: many studies that are getting published, particularly in the nutritional realm,

494
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: that when you look at the methodology, it is terrible.

495
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: And I if I was to try and put a

496
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: study like that under the noses of my PhD supervisors,

497
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: they would kick me out, like some of the stuff

498
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,479
Speaker 2: high this is peer reviewed. I got no idea. And

499
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: but that's the important thing, isn't it is that this

500
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: These studies get published and then they get grabbed on.

501
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: There's headlines that are put on. Sometimes those headlines are

502
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: actually put out by the people who do the study,

503
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: who have a vested interest, right, and then the press

504
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: grabs on it and then it's all over the press,

505
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: and then it creates this panic. And then when somebody

506
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: like Paulmus another low card guys go oh, actually, there's

507
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: this flawed this flawed flow, this flaw, and then the

508
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: journal either corrects it or retracts it. You don't see

509
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: the headlines again going right, Oh, by the way, we

510
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: were wrong, so you're you're okay.

511
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Speaker 1: Or the other thing that Paul pointed out in this

512
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: study is they haven't taken into account the use of

513
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: seed oil vegetable oils. Right, so there's a high percentage

514
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Speaker 1: of poy unsaturated inflammatory transfer in those people. They they

515
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 1: don't regulate it in that study.

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00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: That's interesting. Okay, So let's talk about the diet that

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Speaker 2: you recommend for your patients.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I usually meet them where they're at. If

519
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: they have no idea about low carb at all, I

520
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: usually do just warn them about the dangers of sugar

521
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: and process foods. So to start them off, if they're

522
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: not ready to go low calp, I just get them

523
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: to get rid of sugar, get rid of process foods,

524
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: and even eliminating snacks in between meals, eating less frequent

525
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: intamin fasting That can quite often improve the insult level.

526
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: And if they're ready to learn more and dig into

527
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: a bit more, then I warn them that carbohydrates all

528
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 1: become sugar. They are all sugar, and your body can

529
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: only hold four gram of glucose at a time. Four

530
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: gram of glucose is one teaspoon, so if your bloodstream

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Speaker 1: has more than one tea spoon of bluecoase, then your

532
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: body will make more insulin to transport this glucose into

533
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 1: the fat cell and stoidess fat. So every time you

534
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 1: eat more than one teaspoon, then your body makes more insulin.

535
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: Then you become infilm resistant. So usually I tell them

536
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: about the science and warn them about the glucose, the sugar,

537
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: the jump food process foods, and the carbohydrates, and ask

538
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: them to reduce eating all of that and eat more

539
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: nutrient dense food like routine above ground veggies, especially if

540
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: they have signs of metabolic syndrome diabetes. The root veges

541
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: also increase gluecose level, so concentrate on above ground vigies

542
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: eating much less starchy veggies and even less fruit. One

543
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: of them that can improve their gluecose level their body

544
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: heels is a higher nutrient dense, protein rich, healthy fat

545
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: food and quite often they gain health, They get more energy,

546
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: they lose weight, and the men do it much better.

547
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: The ladies have lots more hormones and worries going on.

548
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: Usually the women come in and want to lose weight.

549
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: They put their husband into a low car dial without

550
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: really telling them. Their husband lose more weights and the

551
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: ladies lose a bit and they feel better, but the

552
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: husband doing much much better.

553
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: And men tend to do better on fasting as well.

554
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: Into mint and fasting as well. You know, it's just

555
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: it's just bloting easier for me. And a couple of

556
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Speaker 2: things I wanted to double click on. I want to

557
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: talk about the healthy fats in a second. But I

558
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 2: remember Grant school Field, Professor Grant school Field, and you

559
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: you will be aware of Grant. He's a big wheel

560
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 2: in the low card world. And I know Grunt very well.

561
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: He's been on this podcast quite a few times. But

562
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: remember him showing me a paper of a insulin responses

563
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: in glucose responses to patients eating lentils right, which are

564
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: wrecked things that are low GI carbohydrates and have been

565
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 2: recommended for years by diabetes educators. And what he showed

566
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Speaker 2: me in the study was there were people who had

567
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: normal blood sugar levels and normal insulin levels, and then

568
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 2: another group who were insulin resistant. They had diabetes, and

569
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 2: the blood sugar responses in those two groups was radically different.

570
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Speaker 2: That people who had normal metabolism, they had a very

571
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 2: slow increase in their blood sugar and it lasted for

572
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: a while and they and dropped. And that's what GI

573
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: carbohydrates do if you're metabolically healthy. But the people who

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00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 2: were insulin resistant, they had a massive spike in their

575
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: blood sugar and it persisted for rs. Right, And so

576
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 2: your response to carbohydrates is hugely different. Even low GI

577
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: carbohydrates can be hugely different, all depending on your insulin sensitivity.

578
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: And this is the thing. But he showed me how

579
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: many times said this should be the most cited research

580
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: paper in the world of diabetes, and it was hardly

581
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: ever cited. So people just ignore it because they have

582
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: their own their their own confirmation bias, and off they go.

583
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: But I mean, that's the thing, right, is a lot

584
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 2: of these diets are tested in healthy people and it's

585
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: very different when you put them on unhealthy people. And

586
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: that's where you've got to look at interventions with people

587
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: who have diabetes and insulin resistance. Right, Yeah, that's what's right,

588
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 2: That's where the low corp comes up. Now you seem

589
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: to be less of a proponent of a ketogenic diem,

590
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: particularly around the saturate in fact, So talk us through

591
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: what you're talking about with healthy fats.

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00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I try to encourage patients to prioritize their

593
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: approachein fists and then add healthy fat. So when I

594
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: say healthy fat, our main things like avocado, nuts and seeds,

595
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: olive oil, even dairy in some people that can tolerate dairy,

596
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: they're good. And even the fat around the meat, it's

597
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: not just that saturated fat. There's a combination of all

598
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: fats in the fat around the meat as well.

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00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, people don't realize this, do they. That meat has

600
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: got just the label that all the fat is saturated fat,

601
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: and particularly if it's grass fed meat. You look at

602
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: the fatty acid composition. There's a bit of saturated fat,

603
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: but there's monoon saturated fats in there, and there's even

604
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: a Mega three fatty acids in grass fed meat as well.

605
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: So it's it's not that all the fat and meat

606
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: is saturated. People think that, and yes, nothing could be

607
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: further from right. That's right.

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00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the meat has been wrongly demonized for lots

609
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 1: of other reasons. But I think we really should think

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00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: about eating healthy meat. And when I say meat, it

611
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: includes chicken and fish and pork, lamb and eggs as well.

612
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: Animal food really should be prioritized for the reason of

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00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: good protein, healthy fat, and lots of other nutrients as well,

614
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: like be twelve and seen environment d which is included

615
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: in animal food as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Abby, you just basically described my diet for

617
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: the last probably decade and the reason that I don't

618
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 2: have a ketogenic diet and I don't react particularly well

619
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Speaker 2: to it, but I do much better on a high protein,

620
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 2: low carb diet with moderate amounts of fat and a

621
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Speaker 2: plenty of meat. I ate plenty of fish, a dirty

622
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: because I'm fine with it. I'm fine with yogurt and

623
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 2: those sorts of things. But I think protein is really

624
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: really important, and particularly as we eat. I mean, my

625
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 2: listeners will have heard me banging on about the importance

626
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 2: of protein, especially as we eat. But yeah, those mono

627
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: and saturated fats avocado are extraverrgin, olive oil, nuts and

628
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: seeds like, I have oodles of that stuff because I

629
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: don't think anybody would quibble about the health benefits of

630
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: both mono and saturated fats and Amiga three fats. The

631
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: fat wars are the Amiga six and the saturated fats.

632
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: That's where we get into the fat wars, isn't it.

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00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the Omiga six is in the vegetable oil,

634
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: canola oil, some flower oil. The highly high in the

635
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: six are highly inflammatory and there's some studies showing that

636
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: they are the culprit of increasing risk of heart diseases

637
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: and inflammation in your body. So really should stay away

638
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: from that.

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00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again lots of controvert seeing it. I definitely

640
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: side in your camp on that one. And I think

641
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: what a lot of people don't realize. I mean, let's

642
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: take a couple of steps back. The reason why these

643
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 2: oils were promoted goes way back to nineteen seventy seven

644
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 2: and the heart health hypothesis, right that saturated fat was

645
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: bad because it causes heart disease. And we know that

646
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: those studies were pretty flawed at the time, so they

647
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 2: started creating these alternatives that were by products from industries

648
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: that already existed, like all of those seeds that were created,

649
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: and then they created those seed oils. Again, if I

650
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: was Czar of the universe, I would have people go

651
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: in and see how they're actually produced. Yeah, because there's

652
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: high amounts of heat and chemicals that are used in

653
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: the production of these oils. And they're promoted because they

654
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: have a high smoke point. And I think this is

655
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: really important for our listeners to understand. That means they

656
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 2: don't or it has to be very high temperature food.

657
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: They turn into a trans fat, and everybody knows trans

658
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: fats are not good, and that's why they're promoted. But

659
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: and the Amiga six fat is unstable, and so as

660
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: soon as it's heated, it gives off toxic aldehydes, which

661
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: are highly inflammatory and carcinogenic. Right, And so by the

662
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: time you just get it in the bottle, it has

663
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: already been heat treated and had all sorts of chemical

664
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 2: shit storm in there already. Right.

665
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, they actually propocess food. So I've just saying.

666
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: Low human influence, low human interference, and that's right. You know,

667
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 2: if you were able to see avocado oil, extra virgin

668
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: avocado oil, an extra virgin olive oil made versus how

669
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 2: these oils are made, I think people would just stop

670
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: buying them straight away.

671
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: That's right.

672
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: So talk to me about the results that you have

673
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: seen in your patients.

674
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So since I've branded myself in my low

675
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: Carp cinque, the patients come in and they're ready to

676
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: do low carp already because they're paying me three hundred

677
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: dollars for a consultation. They're paying me money, they invested it,

678
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: they've invested the time. We'll spend forty five minutes talking

679
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: about how to do low carp and results are fantastic.

680
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 1: There's people that reverse their diabetes. Quite often. They come

681
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: in and they're newly ditknosed diabetes. The HbA one ce

682
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: could be seven and three months later I tested again

683
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: and quite often goes right down to five point seven

684
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: five point nine.

685
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: Wow.

686
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: And they lose weight. Not quickly, but they do lose weight.

687
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: Men might lose tanky low over three months and the

688
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: women maybe a few kilos over a few months. I've

689
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: had ladies who lose ten twenty heros over six to

690
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: twelve months, and they feel much better, They less bloated,

691
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: they feel more energy, that mental health is much better,

692
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: and it's so rewarding that they actually improve in their health.

693
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: They function better in themselves. It's just that it's difficult

694
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: in a high car world to keep going and sometimes

695
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: there's stress, sometimes there's going out and holidays. So it's

696
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: just they need some more support and they need to

697
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: if they go off track, they need to get back

698
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: on track. It can be difficult at some times.

699
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, and particularly if you're used to a

700
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: lifetime of eating carbohydrates, it's a tough diet. So adherence

701
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 2: is really key. So I want to tell you a

702
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: little personal story here, and we've got a we've got

703
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 2: a shocking family history of diabetes and the genetics. My

704
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: genetic and my two brothers genetics around obesity and diabetes

705
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: are shitters, really shitters, right, And my mom has had

706
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 2: diabetes for decades, and you know, I've tried several times

707
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 2: over the years to sort of help her. But a

708
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 2: bout a decade ago, my mom and dad came over

709
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: and I had been conspiring with my dad. They were

710
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 2: coming over for three three months, and I went and

711
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: got them from the airport and I said to my mom,

712
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: welcome to Camp Taylor. And we sat down and had

713
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: a long conversation about diabetes, the long term implications, particularly

714
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 2: your degenerative diseases, which scars the shit out of my mother.

715
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: And I said, will you do three months, and she said, okay, yes,

716
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 2: I'll do three months, and so we put her on

717
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: a high protein, moderate fat, but healthy fat, just like

718
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: you were talking about, very low carbohydrate diet. And she

719
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: left three months later twenty kilos lighter, wowz and off

720
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: her diabetes medication, right off her blood pressure medication.

721
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: Fantastic.

722
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 2: And that was in three months twenty kilos wow wow.

723
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: And the way it just dropped off her because she

724
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: was so into and resistant, right, But that's with one

725
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: hundred percent adherence, and there was exercise added in and

726
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: in increased over time. And that's the thing. If you

727
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: can control somebody in a metabolic ward like that for

728
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: three months, the results would be even better than free living, because,

729
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 2: as you say, it's hard, it's hard. Yes, I mean

730
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: I know it's hard. I tend to eat, but you know,

731
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: I'll every now and then have those other things, and

732
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 2: it's it's it's really hard to be really really strict,

733
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: isn't it. Yeah?

734
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. You touched on something that about getting off medication,

735
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: which is a passion of mine, and since doing this,

736
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: I've been taking passions off medication, diabetes diabetic patients, taking

737
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: them off some self malurias, and that is a very

738
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: rewarding practice of mine. That it's much more rewarding than

739
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: seeing all patients coughs and codes and patients feels fantastic

740
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: about I'm telling them, you don't need to take this anymore.

741
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: We're going to reduce your blood pressure tablet, We're going

742
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: to reduce your diabetes drugs, and that is one of

743
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 1: the best things as a doctor.

744
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but really rewarding. Now, I want to get your thoughts. Sorry,

745
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: I know where we're coming close to time. I want

746
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: to get your thoughts in this new class of drugs,

747
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: the zimbic and then the variations of it, which and

748
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: there's particularly one that's targeted towards diabetes. Your thoughts on them,

749
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: both short term and long term. Yeah.

750
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So these drugs have been quite controversial, and I

751
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: think there is a place in them in those people

752
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 1: who are diabetic and if they want to lose weight,

753
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: there is a place that they these drugs do help

754
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: them lose their weight, control their diabetes, control their blood glucose,

755
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: control their diet and appetite. However, I think patients needs

756
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: to be worn there's lots of potential side effects with

757
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: these drugs that they do help you lose weight. They

758
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: help you lose fat, but they also help not help,

759
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: but they also causes a loose in leaning body mass,

760
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: including their muscle and bones. And that's right. And then

761
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: when you put your weight back on, you'll be putting

762
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: on fat, so you'll be replacing your bones and muscles

763
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: with fat when you put weight on. So these people

764
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: can get more frail, they can more chances of cyclopenia,

765
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: which is losing muscles. They're more frail, they can break bones.

766
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: And then there's mental health complications that can come with

767
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: these drugs as well, and there's lots of potential side

768
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: effects that we don't know of. So I think there

769
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: is the place, but patients have to be worn that

770
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: we don't know what we don't know. So yes, so

771
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of them.

772
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: I think you summed it up beautifully. My real concern

773
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: is that the sycopenia. I did a podcast quite recently

774
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: on sycopinia. You know that n one in ten youths

775
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 2: are being diagnosed with cyclopedia and we wow, And because

776
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: they're not testing widespread, it's probably much higher than that

777
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 2: with all their sedentary behavior. Now, let's take the case

778
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: of this youth who then has developed arcopenia, and because

779
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 2: they're not exercising, they're sitting indoors all day, they're in

780
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: a shit diet. And then they put on with it

781
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: and then they go on these drugs, and then what's

782
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: going to happen is exactly as you said, they're going

783
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: to lose more muscle, they're going to lose more bone,

784
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: which is osteopenia, and then they can't be on those

785
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: drugs from twenty to eighty. They can't be on drugs

786
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: for sixty years, so they have to come off those drugs.

787
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: And then as you say, they're going to put on

788
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: more fat, they're not going to put on the muscle again.

789
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: And then they're going to be proposed and then it's

790
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 2: a metabolic disaster and then what they're back on the

791
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: drugs again. Yes, and as you say, we do not

792
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 2: know the long term issues. I mean, further short, pharmaceutical industry.

793
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: These drugs are amazing because a they have an impact

794
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: on people who can or won't do the work, and

795
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: there's instant impact. But b when they get off everything

796
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: goes back, so they need to really stay on the

797
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 2: drugs long term. So great for the pharmaceutical industry. But

798
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: I sure you're concerned. We do not know what we

799
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 2: do not know yet, and I think ten years from

800
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: now there's going to be a very different conversation about

801
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 2: these drugs. Yes, last thing I want to talk about

802
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: you like me, I've recently got into breath work. Talk

803
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: to me about that. Why have you got into it?

804
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: And talk to me about your experience with it.

805
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I've gone into it for the last year

806
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: or so and that's helping me and my patients with

807
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 1: mental health and increasing reducing anxiety, of reducing stress. And

808
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: I've stuck into it more and more, and I've actually

809
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: certified myself as a breathwork facilitator. So I branded a

810
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: new business called Breathe in Health to help patients with

811
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: improving their breathing, talking about the nose breathing as opposed

812
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: to mouth breathing and suggesting them to nose breathe at

813
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: night and even exercise as well, and talking to them

814
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: about slowing down their breathing, improving their oxygen in their

815
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: body because of increasing the tolerance of carbon dioxide. So

816
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: I know we haven't got much time, but there's a

817
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: whole lot more science to breathing by retraining your body

818
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: to tolerate carbon dioxide and that in turns improves oxygen

819
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: delivery and quite often calms you down and increase improved

820
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: brain and health and improve exercise tolerance as well. So

821
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: I've totally delved myself into this breath work journey and

822
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 1: I'm myself be more calmer. I'll be religious doing breath

823
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 1: work at least once a day, usually fifteen minutes. Yesterday

824
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,479
Speaker 1: I went to a breathwork class and for an hour,

825
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: and I feel much better. My life is super busy,

826
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: just on thego, and two teenage boys drive around and

827
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm managing much better in my busy world.

828
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 2: Ie. You a'm a massive fun of breath work and

829
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: I think we've done the same oxygen advantage. Yes, yeah, yeah, brilliant,

830
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: brilliant stuff, Absolutely brilliant stuff. I'll put a link in

831
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 2: for people, talk about links. Where can people go ave

832
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: if they want to find more about you? The Low

833
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 2: Cloud Clinic or the Breathing Health and Love and by

834
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: the way, breath and Health. So just just give us

835
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 2: all the places that people can go to. Sure.

836
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: My website is Melbourne lowcarp Clinic. It's www dot MLC.

837
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: Clinic dot com dot Au and the Breathing Health website

838
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: is ww dot breathe in Health dot com dot Au.

839
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: And I'm very active on social media. My handles are

840
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: doctor child and Lifestyle GAP on Facebook and Instagram. My

841
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: YouTube is doctor Childs and Life Style GP as well,

842
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: and LinkedIn is just my name, Ady Chilton. And yeah,

843
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: i advocate prescribing lifestyle and I've got a podcast called

844
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: Prescribing Lifestyle which you've come on, and that I talk

845
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: to many people who have improved the health with lifestyle

846
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: and other lifestyle practitioners, and I'm really big on not

847
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: prescribing medications and deprescribing medications to my patients.

848
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 2: Amen, we need more gps like you. Av Keep doing

849
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 2: your awesome work and thank you for returning the fever

850
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 2: and coming on my podcast. I think it'll be awesome

851
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 2: for the listeners. And if you do, if you have

852
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 2: metabolic syndrome or you're there, you know you've got you

853
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 2: fought around the middle of your high blood pressures, how

854
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: you try. Glyceides are high, your HITDL is low, your

855
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: glucose is high, or any three of those. Get on

856
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: the Avhart and bandwagon because it's not a slippery slope.

857
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 2: It's a vortex and once you have metabolic syndrome, so

858
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 2: early intervention is critical, isn't it.

859
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, that's right. We can reverse all of that. Yeah,

860
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: I heard the diet.

861
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 2: But the earlier you start, the easier it is to

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Speaker 2: reverse it. Thanks Heavy, Thank you Paul, thanks.

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Speaker 1: For having me.

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Speaker 2: Cheers,