1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:24,921 Speaker 1: Apotiate production. Welcome back to another episode of Am I 2 00:00:25,001 --> 00:00:28,801 Speaker 1: A Bad Mom? Podcast? The question we constantly ask am 3 00:00:28,801 --> 00:00:29,521 Speaker 1: I A Bad mum? 4 00:00:29,681 --> 00:00:37,561 Speaker 2: And the answer will sometimes the answer will sometimes vary, 5 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,201 Speaker 2: but that's okay, that's what we do, what we do 6 00:00:40,801 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: and why we do it. I think it is a 7 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,201 Speaker 2: lengthy process, this parenting. And we've got friends going through 8 00:00:48,321 --> 00:00:51,681 Speaker 2: different things, Like one of our good friends right now, 9 00:00:51,721 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: she's going through. 10 00:00:52,441 --> 00:00:55,001 Speaker 1: Teething mh remember that. 11 00:00:55,241 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 3: Actually, you know when some people ask you, they're like, oh, 12 00:00:57,601 --> 00:01:00,321 Speaker 3: what did your daughter have get her first time? I 13 00:01:00,321 --> 00:01:02,921 Speaker 3: don't know, yeah, actually don't know whether it was like 14 00:01:03,361 --> 00:01:05,041 Speaker 3: three weeks or six months. 15 00:01:05,801 --> 00:01:08,441 Speaker 2: I also Katie had this moment where I was like, 16 00:01:08,481 --> 00:01:11,241 Speaker 2: I didn't want to be that friend, but she went, oh, 17 00:01:11,321 --> 00:01:14,681 Speaker 2: but you know she's been really grizzly and really snotty, 18 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: and like, you know, her nappies have changed, and I've gone, yeah, 19 00:01:18,881 --> 00:01:21,161 Speaker 2: and that's going to just be all the way through. 20 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,321 Speaker 2: And I was like, felt like that bad friend that 21 00:01:25,401 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: was like you shouldn't give her the negative. But at 22 00:01:28,601 --> 00:01:30,241 Speaker 2: the same time, I was like, yeah, girlfriend, this is 23 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:31,321 Speaker 2: only the start. 24 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 3: And this is only one thing one of the starts. 25 00:01:34,401 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 3: Did you suggest putting a bit of whiskey on the gun. 26 00:01:38,681 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: We survived it. We all had brandy on the gun. Absolutely, 27 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 3: we did drink a bit too much now because of it, probably. 28 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:51,281 Speaker 2: But we learn what we do from our parents. Yea, yeah, 29 00:01:51,321 --> 00:01:53,801 Speaker 2: what are we teaching our kids right now? This is 30 00:01:53,841 --> 00:01:54,241 Speaker 2: my point. 31 00:01:54,281 --> 00:01:56,441 Speaker 3: Yeah, but this is like it's evolution, isn't it Like 32 00:01:56,481 --> 00:01:59,561 Speaker 3: we're evolving because we're getting new information now. 33 00:01:59,601 --> 00:02:02,921 Speaker 1: I mean it's too late for our kids, Like it's they're. 34 00:02:02,721 --> 00:02:08,401 Speaker 3: Done, they're damaged, they're going to need therapy in you know, 35 00:02:08,521 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 3: fifteen years time. But we're learning for the grandchildren that generation. 36 00:02:14,721 --> 00:02:21,401 Speaker 2: And I don't even want to think, Katie of us being. 37 00:02:21,281 --> 00:02:23,441 Speaker 3: Like this sounds like a really weird thing to say 38 00:02:23,481 --> 00:02:26,721 Speaker 3: for someone just in their forties, but I'm not not 39 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,361 Speaker 3: looking forward to it really. Yeah, Like obviously I don't 40 00:02:30,361 --> 00:02:31,761 Speaker 3: want it to happen too soon. I don't want them 41 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,041 Speaker 3: to be young mum, no, to have babies, you know, 42 00:02:35,081 --> 00:02:38,041 Speaker 3: in the near future. But I just think you get 43 00:02:38,121 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 3: to do the fun parenting and have the fun yeah, 44 00:02:42,041 --> 00:02:44,241 Speaker 3: and not have all the shit like you pass them 45 00:02:44,281 --> 00:02:48,041 Speaker 3: back for the ship. Here you go, here's sleepless nights enjoy, 46 00:02:48,161 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 3: here's your attitude. I'll just give them lollies for one night. 47 00:02:51,641 --> 00:02:53,401 Speaker 3: I think my dad's got the right idea. Remember my 48 00:02:53,441 --> 00:02:55,161 Speaker 3: dad said, I'm only ever going to have them for 49 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:56,721 Speaker 3: one Did you say one night? 50 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,081 Speaker 2: I think it was one night originally, but then he 51 00:02:59,161 --> 00:03:01,881 Speaker 2: stretched it to two. And then he was like, why 52 00:03:01,881 --> 00:03:02,441 Speaker 2: did we do that? 53 00:03:02,641 --> 00:03:04,481 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he said night two. 54 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,081 Speaker 3: Take into the parenting zone and he said, I'm not 55 00:03:07,121 --> 00:03:18,681 Speaker 3: doing that again. No, they were ganging up on him. 56 00:03:18,841 --> 00:03:23,601 Speaker 2: Am I a bad mum for being too strict? This 57 00:03:23,721 --> 00:03:26,921 Speaker 2: comes from a place of like just reflection. We talk 58 00:03:27,001 --> 00:03:29,401 Speaker 2: about that a bit hey on this podcast, of like 59 00:03:29,481 --> 00:03:31,921 Speaker 2: having those moments of reflection, because that's the only way 60 00:03:31,921 --> 00:03:36,921 Speaker 2: that you're going to obviously acknowledge sometimes your I guess 61 00:03:37,081 --> 00:03:39,201 Speaker 2: parts of you that you could work on and get 62 00:03:39,401 --> 00:03:44,121 Speaker 2: better at. And we talk about lengthening the lead, you know, 63 00:03:44,281 --> 00:03:50,761 Speaker 2: like the boundaries. Yeah, she's like letting it slowly expand out. 64 00:03:50,841 --> 00:03:54,041 Speaker 2: And I think at the moment, my reflective state has 65 00:03:54,081 --> 00:03:56,601 Speaker 2: been Okay, am I too strict? You know? I have 66 00:03:56,801 --> 00:03:59,321 Speaker 2: like certain things that I'm just I won't budge on. 67 00:03:59,761 --> 00:04:02,721 Speaker 2: Like Grace is eleven and she's like, I want a 68 00:04:02,761 --> 00:04:04,801 Speaker 2: phone and I just won't budge on it. 69 00:04:05,441 --> 00:04:07,881 Speaker 3: Do your kids as well, compare you to all their 70 00:04:07,961 --> 00:04:12,321 Speaker 3: other friends' parents as well, because I get all the time, 71 00:04:12,401 --> 00:04:16,161 Speaker 3: and it drives me crazy. You're the only parents that 72 00:04:16,241 --> 00:04:18,361 Speaker 3: don't let us do that. You're the only parents that 73 00:04:18,401 --> 00:04:20,721 Speaker 3: make us have a bed to nobody else is, and 74 00:04:20,761 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: they shame you time and time again. Might even come 75 00:04:23,801 --> 00:04:27,681 Speaker 3: home and go like Sienna thinks that you're too strict, Like, 76 00:04:27,801 --> 00:04:30,481 Speaker 3: none of my friends can believe how strict you are. 77 00:04:30,681 --> 00:04:32,161 Speaker 3: You guys are like the worst. 78 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,081 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what I'm getting. I'm getting all of 79 00:04:36,121 --> 00:04:38,361 Speaker 2: those and we're not even at high school yet. 80 00:04:38,401 --> 00:04:40,281 Speaker 3: You know that's rubbish, Like, because I will say to 81 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 3: the girls all the time, I don't believe you. 82 00:04:41,801 --> 00:04:44,401 Speaker 1: I don't believe that you're no one has a bit. 83 00:04:44,481 --> 00:04:47,241 Speaker 1: I don't believe your friends just can't just scroll the 84 00:04:47,361 --> 00:04:49,681 Speaker 1: night away all through. Yes they can. 85 00:04:50,081 --> 00:04:52,521 Speaker 2: Yeah, But the other part of it is is that, okay, 86 00:04:52,561 --> 00:04:55,681 Speaker 2: if they can, are we learning anything? Like your brain 87 00:04:55,841 --> 00:04:59,281 Speaker 2: isn't even completely developed to understand why you're scrolling and 88 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,401 Speaker 2: when to switch off from scrolling, because like science tells 89 00:05:02,521 --> 00:05:05,641 Speaker 2: us that even as adults, we don't and understand the 90 00:05:05,681 --> 00:05:07,841 Speaker 2: boundaries of what we're doing when it comes to like 91 00:05:07,921 --> 00:05:11,001 Speaker 2: doom scrolling or like social media and those sorts of things. 92 00:05:11,561 --> 00:05:13,281 Speaker 2: As an adult, we don't even know the cue to 93 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,561 Speaker 2: switch off, so your brain'sn't even fully developed. I have 94 00:05:16,641 --> 00:05:18,801 Speaker 2: to be like this so that I can protect you 95 00:05:18,841 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 2: from this is the kind of conversation that I'm having 96 00:05:21,801 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: with my children about why I do what I do. 97 00:05:24,361 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: But then I have this other part of me Katie 98 00:05:26,521 --> 00:05:30,121 Speaker 2: that goes, why the fuck are you explaining yourself to 99 00:05:30,281 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: your You're eleven year old. That's she doesn't give a shit. 100 00:05:34,481 --> 00:05:37,561 Speaker 3: It's one of those as well that she won't even 101 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,241 Speaker 3: understand until she's an adult, Like she will never I 102 00:05:41,361 --> 00:05:44,281 Speaker 3: said to Jay all the time, I'm like, they are 103 00:05:44,361 --> 00:05:46,681 Speaker 3: not going to get this now, Like they. 104 00:05:46,361 --> 00:05:48,401 Speaker 1: Will not appreciate what we're doing now. 105 00:05:48,521 --> 00:05:53,481 Speaker 3: Now they will be older and to adulthoods before they go, oh, I. 106 00:05:53,521 --> 00:05:55,961 Speaker 1: Got why you did that. Yeah, they certainly don't get 107 00:05:56,001 --> 00:05:56,281 Speaker 1: it now. 108 00:05:56,401 --> 00:05:59,121 Speaker 2: But it's like that part though, going back to the 109 00:05:59,161 --> 00:06:02,241 Speaker 2: strict piece of going like, okay, am I too strict? 110 00:06:02,281 --> 00:06:05,641 Speaker 2: And where could I let the leash a little bit longer? 111 00:06:06,041 --> 00:06:08,241 Speaker 2: And then when I do that, what a repercussion is 112 00:06:08,241 --> 00:06:10,161 Speaker 2: going to be? Because I won't know what the repercussions 113 00:06:10,161 --> 00:06:12,121 Speaker 2: are going to be until we're in it, and then 114 00:06:12,161 --> 00:06:15,481 Speaker 2: that's that whole like you know, self development as a parent, 115 00:06:15,681 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: like me as a human being, but also as a parent, 116 00:06:18,841 --> 00:06:22,481 Speaker 2: like learning and growing and evolving as a parent as 117 00:06:22,561 --> 00:06:25,841 Speaker 2: our children get older, because like my whole belief system 118 00:06:26,081 --> 00:06:29,561 Speaker 2: is around that whole stages and ages. The kids are 119 00:06:29,641 --> 00:06:34,801 Speaker 2: changing and they stages change as they grow that bit older. 120 00:06:35,401 --> 00:06:39,201 Speaker 2: But I believe that we as parents should be growing 121 00:06:39,241 --> 00:06:43,041 Speaker 2: and evolving with them our ideas, our behaviors, the way 122 00:06:43,041 --> 00:06:45,641 Speaker 2: that we show up our actions, you know, you know, 123 00:06:45,721 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: that lead way louder than just talking the talk kind 124 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:54,441 Speaker 2: of thing. One is obviously no phones, that's fine. The 125 00:06:54,481 --> 00:06:59,241 Speaker 2: iPad and the screen time I'm very restrictive on. Don't 126 00:06:59,241 --> 00:07:01,121 Speaker 2: get me wrong. They don't miss out on TV and 127 00:07:01,201 --> 00:07:04,481 Speaker 2: Netflix and ABC Kids and whatever they're watching on the TV. 128 00:07:04,521 --> 00:07:06,201 Speaker 2: They don't miss sat on that. So my kids are 129 00:07:06,201 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: not without But when it comes to screen time, absolutely 130 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,241 Speaker 2: I'm quite restrictive, and I have my reasons why. The 131 00:07:12,321 --> 00:07:14,881 Speaker 2: other part for her is not going to the park 132 00:07:15,041 --> 00:07:18,161 Speaker 2: after school on a Friday, when the rest of the 133 00:07:18,161 --> 00:07:20,201 Speaker 2: whole of the school is going down to the park 134 00:07:20,241 --> 00:07:22,961 Speaker 2: and just up to no good. I won't let her 135 00:07:23,001 --> 00:07:23,281 Speaker 2: do it. 136 00:07:23,121 --> 00:07:26,401 Speaker 1: It's what's up to, like just eleven being. 137 00:07:26,361 --> 00:07:31,201 Speaker 2: Rats basically, and that's no disrespect to anyone, but because like, 138 00:07:31,361 --> 00:07:34,521 Speaker 2: the kids are absolutely of age where they're going to 139 00:07:34,561 --> 00:07:39,321 Speaker 2: go on a Friday afternoon and consume loads of sugar 140 00:07:40,041 --> 00:07:42,321 Speaker 2: and then run them up together. And I get that 141 00:07:42,321 --> 00:07:44,041 Speaker 2: that's what we did as kids, right, But at the 142 00:07:44,041 --> 00:07:46,441 Speaker 2: same time, I was like, no, it's just not appropriate, 143 00:07:46,481 --> 00:07:49,441 Speaker 2: age appropriate. It's not age appropriate for you, and you're 144 00:07:49,561 --> 00:07:50,241 Speaker 2: my child. 145 00:07:50,481 --> 00:07:52,201 Speaker 1: Did she want to go on her own with their friends? 146 00:07:52,281 --> 00:07:57,441 Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, yeah, od right, And so then you're going, Okay, 147 00:07:57,441 --> 00:08:00,041 Speaker 2: why am I the only because I get the whole 148 00:08:00,081 --> 00:08:03,721 Speaker 2: guilt trip every time. You're the only parent that doesn't 149 00:08:03,801 --> 00:08:04,721 Speaker 2: let me go, right. 150 00:08:05,041 --> 00:08:09,081 Speaker 3: I'd love to know how many moms get the you're 151 00:08:09,201 --> 00:08:12,521 Speaker 3: the only one that doesn't let must do it, because 152 00:08:12,561 --> 00:08:15,241 Speaker 3: I feel like that's every child, every child, and they're 153 00:08:15,281 --> 00:08:18,441 Speaker 3: playing off everyone else against. 154 00:08:18,001 --> 00:08:21,881 Speaker 1: You, right, you know it is because they absolutely are. 155 00:08:21,921 --> 00:08:25,521 Speaker 3: They're making you feel guilty and you feel bad because 156 00:08:25,521 --> 00:08:27,681 Speaker 3: then you question yourself. You go, am I the only 157 00:08:27,721 --> 00:08:31,321 Speaker 3: one that's doing that? In my case? Do teenagers have 158 00:08:31,401 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 3: bed times? Because they're telling me no. 159 00:08:34,081 --> 00:08:36,401 Speaker 1: One does no, but you must have. 160 00:08:36,601 --> 00:08:38,801 Speaker 3: You need to get up at a certain time, and 161 00:08:38,841 --> 00:08:42,001 Speaker 3: you certainly my kids have never gone through the stage 162 00:08:42,001 --> 00:08:44,441 Speaker 3: of going, I'm really tired, I'm off to bed. 163 00:08:44,641 --> 00:08:46,001 Speaker 1: Never have they done that yet. 164 00:08:46,041 --> 00:08:48,561 Speaker 2: Never. This is what we talk about, which is like 165 00:08:48,601 --> 00:08:51,521 Speaker 2: that whole key to common sense when it kicks in. 166 00:08:51,841 --> 00:08:54,401 Speaker 2: Like what age was that? When I think about back 167 00:08:54,441 --> 00:08:57,081 Speaker 2: to my grade eight to grade twelve, I think I 168 00:08:57,121 --> 00:09:01,481 Speaker 2: still had a restricted bedtime, But my mum very much 169 00:09:01,561 --> 00:09:05,081 Speaker 2: led by. You'll definitely know about it tomorrow when you 170 00:09:05,081 --> 00:09:08,321 Speaker 2: will underperform for netball. You'll be tired through mass, you 171 00:09:08,321 --> 00:09:10,521 Speaker 2: won't learn a thing, and you'll just feel it all day. 172 00:09:10,561 --> 00:09:14,121 Speaker 2: You'll just feel miserable. You'll understand tomorrow why I'm telling 173 00:09:14,121 --> 00:09:16,241 Speaker 2: you to go to bed by nine thirty or something, 174 00:09:16,321 --> 00:09:18,081 Speaker 2: you know, Like she really led by that. So I 175 00:09:18,121 --> 00:09:21,201 Speaker 2: had to learn a few harder days along the line 176 00:09:21,481 --> 00:09:23,481 Speaker 2: to then for me to go, oh, yeah, actually, I'm 177 00:09:23,521 --> 00:09:25,361 Speaker 2: totally okay with going to bed at nine thirty. 178 00:09:25,801 --> 00:09:26,721 Speaker 1: Yeah, mine, aren't they? 179 00:09:26,841 --> 00:09:30,121 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you are too strict, can you bring it back? 180 00:09:30,161 --> 00:09:31,761 Speaker 2: Do you? Reckon? I've got time to bring it back 181 00:09:31,881 --> 00:09:33,641 Speaker 2: without like letting them go wild. 182 00:09:33,961 --> 00:09:37,001 Speaker 3: I think it comes back to the picking your battles, 183 00:09:37,281 --> 00:09:40,601 Speaker 3: because there's so many things that you want to implement, right, 184 00:09:40,681 --> 00:09:45,601 Speaker 3: but what's really important and what causes you more stress 185 00:09:45,801 --> 00:09:48,681 Speaker 3: trying to enforce when you're like, fuck it, just let 186 00:09:48,761 --> 00:09:49,201 Speaker 3: them do it. 187 00:09:49,321 --> 00:09:51,481 Speaker 2: The battle part really makes sense, Like. 188 00:09:51,481 --> 00:09:52,721 Speaker 1: What do you really believe in? 189 00:09:52,841 --> 00:09:54,841 Speaker 3: You really believe that you don't want her to have 190 00:09:54,921 --> 00:09:56,961 Speaker 3: a phone right now, And I totally get that, because 191 00:09:57,001 --> 00:09:59,161 Speaker 3: once they've got the phones, then you've got a whole 192 00:09:59,201 --> 00:09:59,921 Speaker 3: new world of problem. 193 00:10:00,001 --> 00:10:03,081 Speaker 2: There's no going back though. Yeah, it's another world of problems. 194 00:10:03,121 --> 00:10:05,881 Speaker 2: But I don't believe that you're out there development stage 195 00:10:06,281 --> 00:10:10,201 Speaker 2: to be able to understand the processing part. There's so 196 00:10:10,441 --> 00:10:12,641 Speaker 2: much to it. It is not just like you and 197 00:10:12,681 --> 00:10:15,441 Speaker 2: I when we had a Nokia thirty two ten that 198 00:10:15,561 --> 00:10:18,801 Speaker 2: had like tetras on it or snake, like, it's just 199 00:10:18,801 --> 00:10:21,601 Speaker 2: not the same, you know, And you'd be putting in 200 00:10:21,641 --> 00:10:23,921 Speaker 2: your text message, but you'd be cautious of like the 201 00:10:23,921 --> 00:10:25,961 Speaker 2: amount of characters that you use because it's going to 202 00:10:26,041 --> 00:10:28,961 Speaker 2: cost an extra like twenty cents for your text message. 203 00:10:29,481 --> 00:10:32,001 Speaker 2: We had those, Our kids didn't have those that have 204 00:10:32,241 --> 00:10:35,641 Speaker 2: unlimited access to each other twenty four hours a day 205 00:10:35,921 --> 00:10:38,241 Speaker 2: once they're online, I think. 206 00:10:38,041 --> 00:10:41,561 Speaker 3: That's what you're saying is another level of parenting as well, 207 00:10:41,561 --> 00:10:44,961 Speaker 3: like another reason why it's hard for us at this 208 00:10:45,081 --> 00:10:48,401 Speaker 3: age because we've lived the ages of not having phones 209 00:10:48,761 --> 00:10:51,161 Speaker 3: and not having the technology and not having Netflix and 210 00:10:51,201 --> 00:10:52,801 Speaker 3: all the rest of it. That's something funny I saw 211 00:10:52,801 --> 00:10:55,361 Speaker 3: on Instagram the other day where it was like, no, 212 00:10:55,481 --> 00:10:59,361 Speaker 3: wonder we're grumpy. We went out bought CD singles every 213 00:10:59,361 --> 00:11:01,441 Speaker 3: time we liked the song. Then we had to move 214 00:11:01,481 --> 00:11:02,681 Speaker 3: on to MP three's. 215 00:11:02,801 --> 00:11:05,601 Speaker 2: I had a discman, Yeah, but then when the discman 216 00:11:05,721 --> 00:11:08,721 Speaker 2: moved to any Shock, and that any Shock was like, 217 00:11:08,801 --> 00:11:10,841 Speaker 2: so that you could run with your discman, but I 218 00:11:10,881 --> 00:11:13,121 Speaker 2: was like, so big, didn't even fit in your hand. 219 00:11:13,721 --> 00:11:15,601 Speaker 2: You can't put that in your back pocket or your 220 00:11:15,601 --> 00:11:16,881 Speaker 2: side of your tides. No. 221 00:11:17,081 --> 00:11:19,681 Speaker 3: And before that it was cassettes. We had the cassettes. 222 00:11:19,721 --> 00:11:21,481 Speaker 3: We had to go out by the cassettes. Then we 223 00:11:21,521 --> 00:11:23,001 Speaker 3: had to go out and buy the CDs. Then we 224 00:11:23,041 --> 00:11:24,761 Speaker 3: had to go out and buy the MP three's. 225 00:11:24,841 --> 00:11:27,161 Speaker 1: And now you're asking for us to pay for a subscription. 226 00:11:28,401 --> 00:11:30,921 Speaker 3: So when you say we're doing what our parents did, yeah, 227 00:11:30,961 --> 00:11:33,281 Speaker 3: we are doing an element of what our parents did, 228 00:11:33,681 --> 00:11:36,121 Speaker 3: but we're also doing an element of I've got no 229 00:11:36,201 --> 00:11:38,841 Speaker 3: fucking clue because our parents didn't do this because we 230 00:11:38,881 --> 00:11:40,801 Speaker 3: didn't have the stuff that. 231 00:11:40,681 --> 00:11:41,561 Speaker 1: They have now. 232 00:11:41,841 --> 00:11:46,121 Speaker 3: So we are brand new in the space of parenting 233 00:11:46,681 --> 00:11:48,881 Speaker 3: kids that are growing up with this shit. And so 234 00:11:49,041 --> 00:11:51,601 Speaker 3: in terms of your phone, I would say, hold off 235 00:11:51,761 --> 00:11:52,681 Speaker 3: as long as possible. 236 00:11:53,121 --> 00:11:54,161 Speaker 1: As long as possible was. 237 00:11:54,161 --> 00:11:57,961 Speaker 3: Going to be holding off until everything's on Snapchat. Your 238 00:11:58,001 --> 00:12:00,281 Speaker 3: kid's not going to get invited to any birthday parties 239 00:12:00,281 --> 00:12:06,601 Speaker 3: anymore because they don't see the snaps. Hold off until then. 240 00:12:04,801 --> 00:12:07,121 Speaker 2: And then I'm going to buy them. Even at that 241 00:12:07,241 --> 00:12:09,961 Speaker 2: stage at Bonafone, they're still going to get that Nokia. 242 00:12:10,201 --> 00:12:12,321 Speaker 2: I think it's iconic. I think that everyone has to 243 00:12:12,361 --> 00:12:13,521 Speaker 2: go through a stage of having. 244 00:12:13,761 --> 00:12:16,361 Speaker 3: Yeah, do that, fill up your wine fridge, don't have 245 00:12:16,441 --> 00:12:17,761 Speaker 3: any rules, and just 246 00:12:17,761 --> 00:12:19,281 Speaker 2: Get back let it go.