WEBVTT - A high-wire act for poor Mabel Worley: Part 2.

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<v Speaker 1>She's pickled inside and out. She's toughened inside and out.

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<v Speaker 1>She's lost pretty much everyone close to her by death, disease,

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<v Speaker 1>or her own bad behavior. She's burnt a million bridges,

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<v Speaker 1>but she just keeps going because she has nothing. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>she has no other form of resistance than to keep persevering.

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<v Speaker 1>I do find that quite admirable in any ways, she

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<v Speaker 1>puts up with conditions that would flaw most people.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Jen Kelly from The Herald Son and this is

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<v Speaker 2>In Black and White, a podcast about some of Australia's

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<v Speaker 2>forgotten characters. Today, we're back for part two of the

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<v Speaker 2>story of vaudeville performer Mabel Walley. Make sure you listen

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<v Speaker 2>to part one first. We're chatting again with Carin Ball,

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<v Speaker 2>Senior curator at the History Trust of South Australia. As

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<v Speaker 2>we heard in part one, Mabel gave birth in a

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<v Speaker 2>destitute asylum after falling pregnant in scandalous circumstances, then ran

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<v Speaker 2>away and joined a circus. Left part one, Mabel was

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<v Speaker 2>beginning her journey onto the stage. Let's jump back in

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<v Speaker 2>to find out what happened next. So back to South Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>So eighteen ninety nine. What's happened next? So they finished

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<v Speaker 2>the tour and then home, Yes, so without incident, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope without incident.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, they come home briefly, and then they start another

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<v Speaker 1>contract in nineteen oh three, and the trail kind of

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<v Speaker 1>goes a little bit cold there. I haven't quite worked

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<v Speaker 1>out how Eleanor who is then going by a stage

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<v Speaker 1>name which I'm not going to tell you. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a bit kober. She eventually makes her way

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<v Speaker 1>back to Australia, I think via England, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any records of her performing there, but I'm fairly

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<v Speaker 1>certain she arrives under her stage name in England. But somehow,

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<v Speaker 1>at some point, by nineteen oh four, she's back in

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<v Speaker 1>Australia and Mabel is in trouble. So Mabel has been

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what she's been doing between nineteen hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>and nineteen oh four, but something goes terribly wrong and

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<v Speaker 1>there seems to be a rift between Mabel and her daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>So by nineteen oh four, her daughter is now nearly sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I've got a sixteen year old girl home,

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<v Speaker 1>so I know what they're like. And this young lady

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<v Speaker 1>has a mind of her own. She wants to play

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<v Speaker 1>on the stage, and she wants to be in the

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<v Speaker 1>circus with her uncle, Mabel's brother. And Mabel is really

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<v Speaker 1>starting to get into trouble with the law. She's living

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<v Speaker 1>in Melbourne, away from the circus from the family show.

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<v Speaker 1>She starts to get into trouble for bad behavior and

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<v Speaker 1>living rough and for drinking in public. And soon in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh five, she really things go really badly for

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<v Speaker 1>her and she gets a four year sentence for being

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<v Speaker 1>an accessory to larceny. So, yes, something has gone terribly

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<v Speaker 1>terribly wrong, and I don't know what it is, and

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<v Speaker 1>I will never stop looking to try and unpick this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know exactly what happens. There's some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>family rift and she and her daughter part ways. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>a Pentridge. So in the book there's the mug shots,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think you've seen, And that was when I

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<v Speaker 1>found those. When I found those mug shots on the

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<v Speaker 1>Public Records Office of Victoria website, I think that was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen. I hadn't ever actually seen a picture of

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<v Speaker 1>Mabel until then. We didn't know what she looked like

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<v Speaker 1>when we did the gallery, and so the only images

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever had of her have been mugshots. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't both as well, but you know, so she gets this,

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<v Speaker 1>she gets this sentence in nineteen oh five, and by

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<v Speaker 1>the time she comes back out again, she is aged

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<v Speaker 1>a decade and she's only been in prison for three years.

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<v Speaker 2>And just for the benefit of our listeners, can you

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<v Speaker 2>describe the mugshots or what you draw from those mug shots?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so the first one is done not long after

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<v Speaker 1>she's been sentenced. I'm assuming she's had her hair cut,

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<v Speaker 1>so her hair is very short. She obviously wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>a thing, wouldn't cause any issues now, but at the

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<v Speaker 1>time was very demeaning for women to have their haircut.

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<v Speaker 1>It obviously was to do things like prevent life, but

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<v Speaker 1>yes had the extra added dimension of making them almost

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<v Speaker 1>unwomanly because women always had long hair at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>So she has this short, very short haircut. Her face

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of round, and she has this almost kind

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<v Speaker 1>of deer in the headlights look. And so she's got

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<v Speaker 1>a face on face on and a side profile. And

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<v Speaker 1>then next to that are two photos in similar so

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<v Speaker 1>her face on a profile that were taken in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>oh eight, just before she's released, and She's only thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six in that second set of pictures, but she looks

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<v Speaker 1>a decade older to me.

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<v Speaker 2>She actually actually looks to me like she's in her fifties.

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<v Speaker 2>But she does have like a hint of a smile

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<v Speaker 2>on her face, which I found quite intriguing. I was

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<v Speaker 2>wondering what was making her smile. Perhaps something the photographer said.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think she's had a really rough time while

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<v Speaker 1>she's been inside. You know, she hasn't seen her family

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<v Speaker 1>for over three years. All sorts of things have happened

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<v Speaker 1>in the background, and really I think she's at a

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<v Speaker 1>point where they can't really throw anything else at her.

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<v Speaker 1>She has experienced the worst that she can experience. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>she thinks at that point, and I think she discovers

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of grit inside her that has to get

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<v Speaker 1>her through this three year sentence. Yes, so she does

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<v Speaker 1>have this kind of knowing smile almost or she's really

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<v Speaker 1>kind of you know, eyeballing the photographer and saying, you

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<v Speaker 1>think you're in a position of power, but I've got

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<v Speaker 1>this structure that is holding me up inside.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Karin, if you're happy to share the mugshots with me,

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to add them to the story that

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<v Speaker 2>accompanies this podcast for our readers to see. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>the story that's in The Herald's son in print and

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<v Speaker 2>also online. Are you happy to do that, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>so that readers and listeners can see what we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, she's an interesting looking lady. She's certainly not beauty

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<v Speaker 1>by the standards of the day, but she has real

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<v Speaker 1>in her face and that was one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>I think that really kind of spurred me onwards.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. And while we're talking about photos, there's a picture

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<v Speaker 2>on the front of your book, and it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>photo of her, but it's what you have imagined she

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<v Speaker 2>might have looked like during her circus career. So where

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<v Speaker 2>did you get the picture from? And can you describe

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<v Speaker 2>what that picture is like?

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a postcard from the National Library of an

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<v Speaker 1>unnamed French artist performing artist. So it's a black and

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<v Speaker 1>white picture that's been colorized by hand. So it's a

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<v Speaker 1>lady with a gorgeous pink kind of chiffon, almost Greek

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<v Speaker 1>goddess kind of costume, but very short in the leg.

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<v Speaker 1>You can just see a little kind of flash of

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<v Speaker 1>white tights underneath, and she's holding a set of diablos,

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<v Speaker 1>so juggling sticks with the string and the little kind

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<v Speaker 1>of yo yo thing that jumps on the string. And

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<v Speaker 1>so she is in this beautiful kind of classicals. She's

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<v Speaker 1>got ribbons in her hair, her lips have been painted.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just just as soon as I saw it, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>that is the cover of the book, and so it's

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<v Speaker 1>my own little piece of vaudeville and circus flim flam.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not Mabel, but it certainly could have been someone

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<v Speaker 1>like Mabel, and it's very likely that she wore something

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<v Speaker 1>like that when she was performing. You know, the whole

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<v Speaker 1>the whole circus of vaudeville thing is about an actor

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<v Speaker 1>would be given a new costume and new makeup and

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<v Speaker 1>then passed off as a new person or four different

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<v Speaker 1>acts would actually be comprised of the same people, but

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<v Speaker 1>they've been you know, they've had changes to make them

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<v Speaker 1>look like different people. So there's there's all this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of sleight of hand that happens in these shows. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>a performer like Elna, who might have been seven or

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<v Speaker 1>eight or nine, would be would be billed as a

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<v Speaker 1>child of five Summers, you know, to make it seem

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<v Speaker 1>more exciting. That they're younger than they should than they

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<v Speaker 1>actually are, all of these things. So using that picture, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's my own way of kind of getting into the

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<v Speaker 1>mindset of in vaudeville and theater truth, whatever you say

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<v Speaker 1>it is. So there we go. That's where that picture

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<v Speaker 1>comes from.

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<v Speaker 2>I look at that picture and I think, how far

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<v Speaker 2>has she come in her life from this destitute asylum

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<v Speaker 2>girl to this amazing world, This amazing world where she's

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<v Speaker 2>traveling around the world, this vaudeville life, traveling from continent

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<v Speaker 2>to continent on the stage. She came so far and

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<v Speaker 2>then she fell so far to end up in Penridge

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<v Speaker 2>for four years for the crime of larceny, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>an incredible an incredible, colorful life, a tragic life. Do

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<v Speaker 2>we know any more about the crime that she ended

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<v Speaker 2>up in Penridge for?

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<v Speaker 1>So she's an accessory to larsony. So essentially what happens

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<v Speaker 1>is that she meets a gentleman called mister Pert on

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<v Speaker 1>the streets in Melbourne and she takes him back to

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<v Speaker 1>a hotel where her side man or whatever beats him up.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a shakedown. The intimation is that she may

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<v Speaker 1>have been doing sex work, although she's not actually accused

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<v Speaker 1>of prostitution in her trial, actually recommends clemency, but the

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<v Speaker 1>judge is not having it, and he gives her this

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<v Speaker 1>four year sentence and she serves just under three years.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's just at the really unfortunate end of some

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<v Speaker 1>new kind of legislation and the way of dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>particularly destitute women on the street. There was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of anxiety in Melbourne in the late nineteenth early twentieth

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<v Speaker 1>century that street population was increasing and that it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a place of immorality and bad behavior and sex and

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<v Speaker 1>money and all this kind of stuff. So she's really

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunate that she's kind of tired with this thrush because

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<v Speaker 1>up until then, the worst offense that she'd committed was

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<v Speaker 1>bad language. And she gets, you know, she gets a

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<v Speaker 1>fine for that. What she does five days in the

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<v Speaker 1>lock up if she can't pay the fine, that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. So she's very much at the edges of

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<v Speaker 1>the criminal world at that point, and then she gets

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<v Speaker 1>this stinging sentence and when she comes out, really that

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<v Speaker 1>means that she is now considered part of the criminal

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<v Speaker 1>underclass and it all goes downhill from there. Essentially. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>poor Mabel, it's like watching a car craft from one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred years distant, and every time I just wish, just once,

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<v Speaker 1>just please once, can she not muck it up? You

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<v Speaker 1>want her to do well. She tries so hard in

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<v Speaker 1>some ways. In another way she doesn't try at all,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's mable for you. But you know, she has

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<v Speaker 1>this spirit and spark that I found completely irresistible. So

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<v Speaker 1>when things start to go wrong, she starts to slide

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<v Speaker 1>down the social scale and she ends up with a

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<v Speaker 1>series of sentences for being drunk and vagrant. So because

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<v Speaker 1>she's on house, she's homeless, and she's living rough and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, working and doing all this sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And so she's in and out of Penridge, in and

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<v Speaker 1>out of Pentridge, in and out of Pentridge. She does

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of sessions with people like the Salvation Army,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's St. Vincent de Paul's to do what we

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<v Speaker 1>would now think of as probably rehab because she's drinking

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<v Speaker 1>by this point. But nothing really sticks for her, and

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<v Speaker 1>so she just the next few decades are really moving

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<v Speaker 1>from place to place, trying to make her fresh start

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<v Speaker 1>and then unsuccessfully doing so. But she does have some

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<v Speaker 1>really big adventures along the way. So as she slides

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<v Speaker 1>down the social scale. She'd becomes stuck in this cycle

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<v Speaker 1>of she is living rough, she's drinking, she's getting into trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>She does a few short sentences and then she's of

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<v Speaker 1>course more noticeable to the police because she's been in

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<v Speaker 1>the lock up recently, so she tries to make a

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<v Speaker 1>break for it. She actually comes back to South Australia

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen twelve and she's trying to she's trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do the best she can. But within a few days

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<v Speaker 1>really of landing, she's back in prison for sleeping rough

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<v Speaker 1>on Hindley Street. She can't leave Hindley Street, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's her home and her spiritual home. And so she

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<v Speaker 1>is given a chance and she's allowed to leave Adelaide

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<v Speaker 1>to make a new start in the country, and she

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<v Speaker 1>ends up in Port Lincoln and she very quickly shacks

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<v Speaker 1>up with a very unsuitable man called MacDonald. At this

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<v Speaker 1>point she's putting on a Scottish accent and pretending that

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<v Speaker 1>she's from Scotland. She's using this theatrical vent all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>which is another reason why I'm so fond of her.

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<v Speaker 1>She's just clearly very clever and thinks on her feet

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<v Speaker 1>but when she's in Port Lincoln, she does a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of short sentences for being drunk. By that time, she's

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<v Speaker 1>actually addicted to methylated spirits, so she's desperate for a drink.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when she's in Port Link and Jail, at

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<v Speaker 1>one point she just pushes a load of boxes against

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<v Speaker 1>a low fence in the cell yard and hooks it

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<v Speaker 1>over a ship. Yeah, she stated this wonderful one woman

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<v Speaker 1>prison break. She's picked up an hour later by the car. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>desperate for a drink. She says she feels like she's

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<v Speaker 1>dying because she has probably got the DTS, so she

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<v Speaker 1>probably really feels like she's dying. So, yes, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a very successful prison break. But just the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>she sees this opportunity and decides to take it good

0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.360
<v Speaker 1>for her quite charming. Yes, you know, she just refuses

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<v Speaker 1>to be contained.

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<v Speaker 2>So how old was she at this point?

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<v Speaker 1>So that's nineteen twelve or third, So she's forty at

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<v Speaker 1>that point. She's still young by any.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she's still got plenty of years.

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<v Speaker 1>To live she has, Yes, she's got plenty of plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of spirit and spark. But you know, once she's caught

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<v Speaker 1>after having made this one woman prison break, she gets

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<v Speaker 1>sent to Adelaide jail and then it's all over. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>she can't there's no more coffee over fences when you're

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<v Speaker 1>at Adelaide jail. And unfortunately she's also caught up in a

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<v Speaker 1>cycle of another piece of legislation that doesn't work in

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<v Speaker 1>her favor. So in nineteen thirteen, South Australia introduces the

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<v Speaker 1>Inebriates Act. It's a way of dealing with problem drinking.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of social concern about excessive alcohol consumption,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, particularly by working class people, and women's drinking

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<v Speaker 1>in particular is seen as really problematic because there are

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of implications for the you know, for the

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<v Speaker 1>future of Australia as a nation, and the sort of

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<v Speaker 1>people and children that women are producing if they're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if they're a low character or low physical attribute because

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<v Speaker 1>they're drinking. So there's a lot of anxiety about this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. So South Australia introduces this new legislation

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<v Speaker 1>which convicted inebriates. If you get if you get arrested

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<v Speaker 1>for being drunk more than three times in a twelve

0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:15.599
<v Speaker 1>month period, you're then given a compulsory sentence as a

0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:19.440
<v Speaker 1>convicted inebriate, and the first sentence is eighteen months, the

0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:23.080
<v Speaker 1>second sentence is two years, and the third sentence onwards

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<v Speaker 1>is at his at his majesty's pleasure. So really unfortunately,

0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.040
<v Speaker 1>whereas in Melbourne she might have got three months, four months,

0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:35.080
<v Speaker 1>six months for being drunken disorderly, in Adelaide she's suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>doing these very very long sentences.

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<v Speaker 2>So the prisons must have just been full.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, see what happens is that Adelaide Jail and sorry

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<v Speaker 1>part of Adelaide Jail and Gladstone Jail are gazetted as

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<v Speaker 1>inebriates institutions, so they become this kind of place that

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<v Speaker 1>we would now think of potentially as rehab. You know,

0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.760
<v Speaker 1>it's supposed to be an inebriates retreat, it's supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be a place where they can dry out and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>get back on their feet, but essentially it's jail. They're

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<v Speaker 1>in jail being looked after by prison warden's doing exactly

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<v Speaker 1>the same backbreaking work that prisoners are doing, and in

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<v Speaker 1>fact they're in for longer sentences and then they're subject

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<v Speaker 1>to more stringent controls afterwards because they're released on license

0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.359
<v Speaker 1>and if they break their license again then they immediately

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<v Speaker 1>get the second longer sentence. So she does eighteen months

0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:28.240
<v Speaker 1>and she's only out for a month or two, breaks

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<v Speaker 1>her license and she has to go back in again

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<v Speaker 1>for two years, and she begs in begs in court,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, please don't send me back there. I've just

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<v Speaker 1>done nineteen months actually at Gladstone, and you know, she

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<v Speaker 1>comes down to Adelaide and she has some teeth out,

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<v Speaker 1>and she has some cocaine which is legally prescribed, but

0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:47.960
<v Speaker 1>then she decides to have a couple of glasses of

0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.960
<v Speaker 1>brandy on top and passes out in light square. Because

0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.320
<v Speaker 1>she's broken her parole, she is sent back for two years.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a really quite tough system, and she is

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<v Speaker 1>right at the pointy end of it. She is Gladstone's

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<v Speaker 1>female and the Brittan number two and Adelaide Jail's female

0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:06.720
<v Speaker 1>neb Brittan number four, So she is right at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of this new system coming in and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>play out well for her. Over the next decade, between

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirteen and nineteen twenty three, she spends what years,

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<v Speaker 1>nearly seven or eight years in jail in total, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's only out for weeks sometimes months before she's back again,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's really tough conditions as well. And then of

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<v Speaker 1>course the war comes and everything gets tougher, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the rations get tougher in prison, and water is really

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<v Speaker 1>bad at Gladstone and they have to boil it all

0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:41.240
<v Speaker 1>and it's just a really, really unpleasant environment.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be back shortly to hear more about Mabel's life,

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<v Speaker 2>so stay with us. And after that, did she get

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<v Speaker 2>out for good or was she still in and out

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<v Speaker 2>of prison for the rest of her life?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, Mabel. She eventually goes back to Melbourne in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three, so she you know, she has burnt all

0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.960
<v Speaker 1>her bridges, but the magistrate who picks her up gives

0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.760
<v Speaker 1>her a train pass and tells her to go. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll hold off sending her back to prison if she

0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:16.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, for a day or two until she leaves.

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<v Speaker 1>And at this point she's still trying to get in

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<v Speaker 1>touch with her brother's circus. Her brother circus has been

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<v Speaker 1>to New Zealand for several years and then come back,

0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.440
<v Speaker 1>and she says that she's going to meet them at

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<v Speaker 1>Langhorn Creek at one point, but then she MUCKs it

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<v Speaker 1>up again and she ends up in the Slammer when

0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:36.240
<v Speaker 1>they're going past and she misses them. She she marries

0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.119
<v Speaker 1>Big Musley in nineteen eighteen, so she marries her second

0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.639
<v Speaker 1>husband while her first husband is alive and well in

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<v Speaker 1>Western Australia, and her second husband is another one of these.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is Patrick Madden. He's a tall, quite good

0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.040
<v Speaker 1>looking Irishman who's also one of these people who drinks

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<v Speaker 1>in the west end of Finley Street, around Light Square

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<v Speaker 1>and all that lot. She comes out of prison just

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<v Speaker 1>after Armistice in nineteen eighteen, so the end of the

0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:02.880
<v Speaker 1>war in nineteen eighteen. She's only out for three days

0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:06.919
<v Speaker 1>before she marries Patrick Madden, so something must have been

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<v Speaker 1>going on there. They must have known each other beforehand,

0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.480
<v Speaker 1>or it was a really well wind romance. But it

0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:14.800
<v Speaker 1>doesn't last. He's back in the Slammer in weeks and

0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.600
<v Speaker 1>so is she, and there's no indication that they actually

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<v Speaker 1>reconcile in any way. So yeah, she's living this very

0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of hand to mouth life when she's not in prison,

0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.000
<v Speaker 1>but the bulk of her time she is in prison,

0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.040
<v Speaker 1>which is why in nineteen twenty three she takes this

0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.879
<v Speaker 1>free pass to go back to Melbourne, and after that

0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:34.920
<v Speaker 1>she never comes back to South Australia, which is really

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<v Speaker 1>quite sad. So she's in Melbourne and she has all

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<v Speaker 1>these great ambitions that she's going to live a life

0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:42.639
<v Speaker 1>of the straightened arrow and she's going to be a

0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:45.760
<v Speaker 1>good girl. But that never really works out for Mabel.

0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:49.600
<v Speaker 1>She just can't help herself, and really, I mean she

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<v Speaker 1>becomes institutionalized. So she does again more sentences for being vagrant,

0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.800
<v Speaker 1>for being drunken, disorderly, for bad language, and really spends

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<v Speaker 1>the next ten years after she gets back to Melbourne

0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:05.000
<v Speaker 1>doing that. It's a pretty sad it's a pretty sad tale.

0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.080
<v Speaker 1>But again has all the you know, has the occasional

0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:10.840
<v Speaker 1>light moment. She's arrested at one point for dancing in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of Victoria Street in Melbourne's CBD in the

0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:15.840
<v Speaker 1>middle of the night, and you know it, goes off

0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:17.840
<v Speaker 1>to Pentridge to do a few weeks after doing that.

0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.600
<v Speaker 1>So she has these wonderful little light moments, and you know,

0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:26.560
<v Speaker 1>she's she's lived a very vibrant life. She's very interested

0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:28.600
<v Speaker 1>in music and the stage, I think, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>there are lots of you know, live performance is still

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<v Speaker 1>a massive, massive thing at that point. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>she's trying to kind of move in this in this world,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, maybe she hangs around theater doors and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, tries to get in and see shows and

0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.600
<v Speaker 1>stuff all that kind of thing. I don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of evidence about what her life outside of prison

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<v Speaker 1>is like, other than the fact that she is writing

0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:54.600
<v Speaker 1>letters to try and catch up with her brother's circus,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's trying to you know, she does more time

0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:00.720
<v Speaker 1>with the Salvasian Army in Melbourne as well, having done

0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:04.040
<v Speaker 1>time with them in Adelaide. So she tries all these

0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:07.920
<v Speaker 1>different approaches, but nothing quite sticks for her. And then

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<v Speaker 1>towards the end of her life, it's the nineteen thirties,

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<v Speaker 1>the depression has come. Street life in Melbourne is really tough,

0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:19.040
<v Speaker 1>you know. Nineteen thirty three, George Orwell releases his book

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<v Speaker 1>Down and Out in Paris and London, which tells you

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about what life on the street would have

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<v Speaker 1>been like at this period. And women are a very

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<v Speaker 1>small part of this world. You know, they might be

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<v Speaker 1>five to ten percent of the homeless population in Melbourne

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. You know, they are a tiny, reviled

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<v Speaker 1>subset of a subset of society that has already reviled

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<v Speaker 1>by the mainstream, and so it's a really tough existence,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. But you can see by her criminal record

0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:49.159
<v Speaker 1>that she is essentially living a living rough in a

0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:53.760
<v Speaker 1>patch of suburbs that moves around from Melbourne, North Melbourne, Carlton, Fitzroy.

0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:57.960
<v Speaker 1>She's kind of pacing these areas like almost like a

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<v Speaker 1>caged animals and the institutionalized. She doesn't want to be

0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:04.359
<v Speaker 1>in jail, but she also can't cope when she's not

0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:07.320
<v Speaker 1>in jail. It's a sad thing to have to watch

0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:09.520
<v Speaker 1>and to put myself in that mindset. I actually spent

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<v Speaker 1>a long weekend in Melbourne in the rain, walking around

0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:16.120
<v Speaker 1>those cobblestone streets in Fitzroy and Carton and North Melbourne,

0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.359
<v Speaker 1>trying to feel what that felt like. And it was

0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:22.160
<v Speaker 1>quite it was quite challenging. You know, I'm a woman

0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:25.159
<v Speaker 1>over fifty and I was walking around these streets in

0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:27.360
<v Speaker 1>the rain and the cold, and I could go back

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<v Speaker 1>to my hotel any time I liked. It was really

0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:33.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, illuminating to kind of put myself in that

0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:36.480
<v Speaker 1>mindset of you know, what would it have been like

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<v Speaker 1>for her, you know, she would have been going from.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, she might have had a cup of tea

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<v Speaker 1>for breakfast with the Salvation Army in one suburb and

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<v Speaker 1>then walked to the other side of the city to

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<v Speaker 1>go and have lunch at a soup kitchen, and then

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<v Speaker 1>walk to a different suburb for the evening to find

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere to doss, you know, for a doss house or

0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:55.159
<v Speaker 1>under a bridge, or she might have been able to

0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:58.879
<v Speaker 1>get into a temporary accommodation of some description. But she

0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:01.760
<v Speaker 1>doesn't like doing though, is because the approach in lots

0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:05.760
<v Speaker 1>of those places is plain food, lots of prayer, lots

0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:09.880
<v Speaker 1>of introspection. I think that really works for her. So

0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:13.840
<v Speaker 1>she is moving around this small set of inner Melbourne

0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:17.240
<v Speaker 1>suburbs trying to make her way in and out of prison.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things that I realized when I

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<v Speaker 1>was doing the research for this, as she gets older,

0:22:21.440 --> 0:22:25.439
<v Speaker 1>the gaps between her incarcerations get shorter and shorter and shorter.

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<v Speaker 1>In her thirties or forties, she might have had months,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even half a year or a year or more

0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:34.920
<v Speaker 1>where she's not in prison. When she's in her fifties

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<v Speaker 1>and going into her sixties, she's out for a fortnight

0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:41.199
<v Speaker 1>or a week three before she's back in again for

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<v Speaker 1>three months or two months or a month or whatever.

0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:48.440
<v Speaker 1>So it's a very kind of relentless, relentless life.

0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:52.200
<v Speaker 2>And she was obviously a heavy drinker, and she spent

0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:55.320
<v Speaker 2>years in prison, so it's pretty remarkable that she lived

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<v Speaker 2>such a long life. So she was what late sixties

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<v Speaker 2>or early seventies by the time she dies.

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<v Speaker 1>She dies and she's pickled inside and out. She's toughened

0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:11.560
<v Speaker 1>inside and out. She's lost pretty much everyone close to

0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:16.040
<v Speaker 1>her by death, disease, or her own bad behavior. She's

0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:19.560
<v Speaker 1>burnt a million bridges. But she just keeps going because

0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:22.280
<v Speaker 1>she has nothing. You know, she has no other form

0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:25.560
<v Speaker 1>of resistance than to keep persevering. And I do find

0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:28.280
<v Speaker 1>that quite admirable in many ways. You know, she puts

0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:32.399
<v Speaker 1>up with conditions that would flow most people. She endure,

0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:36.800
<v Speaker 1>endures trauma and tragedy that would you know, sideline anybody,

0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:40.119
<v Speaker 1>But she keeps going, you know, there's that phrase. But

0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:43.560
<v Speaker 1>she persisted, and she does. She just keeps going because

0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:45.760
<v Speaker 1>she has no other choice. She has, you know, she

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<v Speaker 1>has not a lot of education, not a lot of

0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:51.639
<v Speaker 1>family left by this point, very few options. She doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really have a skill or a trade. She's done a

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<v Speaker 1>hell of a lot of laundry and a hell of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of sewing in prison. She probably never wants

0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:01.959
<v Speaker 1>to scrub a floor again, you know, and she's you know,

0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:05.000
<v Speaker 1>this is the inverse of her high points of her

0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:08.359
<v Speaker 1>career of being on the stage in New Zealand, giving

0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:12.399
<v Speaker 1>this vital, exciting life under the electric lights of the theater.

0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:15.120
<v Speaker 2>And then I hope she at least had her memory

0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:18.119
<v Speaker 2>right up until the end and could remember those incredible days.

0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh absolutely she does. Because one of the things I

0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:23.359
<v Speaker 1>found very late in the piece while I was doing

0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:25.879
<v Speaker 1>my trip to Melbourne where I and that was like

0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:28.080
<v Speaker 1>there was that little window in twenty twenty one where

0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:29.800
<v Speaker 1>you could go to Melbourne for a few weeks at

0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:32.480
<v Speaker 1>the beginning of twenty twenty one when they between their lockdowns,

0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:34.600
<v Speaker 1>and that was when I went and walked around in

0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:37.119
<v Speaker 1>the rain and literally I was at the airport on

0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:39.639
<v Speaker 1>the way back Google it, you know, going through Trove,

0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:42.639
<v Speaker 1>which is the online newspapers through the National Winmy of

0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Australia one hundred percent recommend fabulous resource. I was looking

0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:49.000
<v Speaker 1>just to see if I could find an end to

0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:51.480
<v Speaker 1>this story because I've spent this weekend, you know, walking

0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:53.200
<v Speaker 1>around in the rain feeling, oh my god, how the

0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:56.000
<v Speaker 1>hell am I going to end this story? And I

0:24:56.080 --> 0:25:01.080
<v Speaker 1>found a newspaper report that says that she is sent

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<v Speaker 1>to Ballarat Benevolent Home in mid to late nineteen thirty six.

0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 1>She's had a fall of suther description probably just you know,

0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:12.840
<v Speaker 1>a drunken tumble in the street. Although she says in

0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:17.080
<v Speaker 1>that she's interviewed or she's interviewed by repute, it says

0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:21.800
<v Speaker 1>that she's had an accident in the circus. But that's poppycock.

0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:24.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, she hasn't been in the circus for twenty

0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:26.919
<v Speaker 1>or thirty years at that point. But you know, as

0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Mabel always does, she tries to put a gloss on it.

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 1>And so she's at Ballarat Benevolent Asylum and she catches

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:37.159
<v Speaker 1>wind that her brother's circus is coming to Ballarat for

0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:40.800
<v Speaker 1>the first time in a long time, and she pulls

0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:43.760
<v Speaker 1>whatever strings she has left and she gets the old

0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:45.960
<v Speaker 1>men from the asylum to be able to go to

0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:49.959
<v Speaker 1>the circus show for free. Fabulous. So yeah, she doesn't

0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:53.440
<v Speaker 1>go because she is bedridden after a fall that she

0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:56.879
<v Speaker 1>In the report, it says, you know, because she's had

0:25:56.920 --> 0:25:58.960
<v Speaker 1>an accident when she was working in the circus, which,

0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:01.680
<v Speaker 1>as I said, I know that that's not correct, so

0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:04.160
<v Speaker 1>she doesn't go, but she makes this arrangement so she's

0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:07.119
<v Speaker 1>still even after all that time and all the bridges

0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:09.280
<v Speaker 1>that she's burnt and all the people that she's lost,

0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:14.040
<v Speaker 1>she has enough connections to make that happen. And that

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 1>was a wonderful way for me to finish the story,

0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 1>because she dies only a few months later. She dies

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:23.240
<v Speaker 1>early in nineteen thirty seven, and it just seemed to me,

0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:27.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's her final performance. She has this very

0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:29.600
<v Speaker 1>very high and then she has these very very lows,

0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:32.000
<v Speaker 1>and then I like to think of her, you know,

0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 1>tucked up at ballaratte Asylum in her bed, you know,

0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:38.840
<v Speaker 1>sending telegrams or making these requests for the circus to come,

0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:42.080
<v Speaker 1>and she's got this captive audience for all these incredible

0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:45.040
<v Speaker 1>tales that she can tell, these tall stories, and some

0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:48.520
<v Speaker 1>of them might even be true, and you know that

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:51.920
<v Speaker 1>she can have this one last performance of being this

0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:55.400
<v Speaker 1>aging circus star who still has some cachet and can

0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:58.919
<v Speaker 1>still pull these strings. And to me, that was just

0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:02.199
<v Speaker 1>a wonderful place to end did because it's like a

0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of you know, last minute redemption of her. And

0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:08.480
<v Speaker 1>I was so pleased when I found that newspaper report

0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:10.239
<v Speaker 1>because I had really worried about how I was going

0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:14.199
<v Speaker 1>to finish this really quite tale and then yeah, so

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:17.399
<v Speaker 1>she's just doing this last little show just for the

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 1>audience of the Benevolent Home, pretending to be you know,

0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:25.639
<v Speaker 1>the former start of stage and ring that in some

0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 1>ways she was. And so yeah, that was that was

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 1>the end. She dies very early in nineteen thirty seven

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:36.760
<v Speaker 1>of senile decay, which is you know, it was very

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 1>commonly listed as the cause of death, but realistically she

0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:43.400
<v Speaker 1>was pretty pickled by that point. And she is buried

0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:46.880
<v Speaker 1>at Ballarat New Cemetery, which I went to last year.

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Had a little cry. She's in an unmarked section, so

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:53.880
<v Speaker 1>there's just a lawned area. A lot of the older

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:57.159
<v Speaker 1>particularly the pauper graves, aren't very well recorded, and so

0:27:57.280 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 1>what the cemetery has done is there's a lovely, beautiful

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:02.560
<v Speaker 1>lawned area under some trees with a big like a

0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:05.399
<v Speaker 1>big round rock that's got a memorial plaque on it

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:08.359
<v Speaker 1>that says, you know, there are thousands of people buried

0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:10.440
<v Speaker 1>in this area. But we don't have any specific information

0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:13.159
<v Speaker 1>about where the exact graves are, so I took a

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:15.360
<v Speaker 1>little bunch of flowers and I laid it on the memorial.

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:17.879
<v Speaker 1>I had a little cry under the trees. And I

0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:21.119
<v Speaker 1>had never felt at any closer to her than I

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:24.239
<v Speaker 1>did at that moment, which was really cool. Yeah, for

0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 1>eight years I worked in the building that she had

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:29.160
<v Speaker 1>her daughter in, but actually being able to go there

0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:33.399
<v Speaker 1>and know that she was meters away, even though I

0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 1>didn't have a specific gravesite to go to, it was

0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 1>a really lovely moment of closure. And I wasn't expecting

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:42.440
<v Speaker 1>it to be as emotional as it was, and it

0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>was just a really lovely way to say goodbye to Yeah,

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 1>it was a great moment.

0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 2>We'll be back soon to hear more about Mabel. To

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 2>stay with us, and did you ever find out what

0:28:57.240 --> 0:28:58.440
<v Speaker 2>happened to Mabel's daughter?

0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:03.720
<v Speaker 1>I did, but not going to anybody here is interested.

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Will have to read the book.

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, And just one more question, Karin, you mentioned in

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 2>the notes that you sent me about this story a

0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:15.280
<v Speaker 2>link between Mabel and Russian spies.

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:18.360
<v Speaker 1>What's that all about? Yeah, this is one of the

0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 1>wonderful things about researching this this world of vaudeville and circus,

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 1>particularly the small jobbing circuss who haven't been very well recorded,

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:29.800
<v Speaker 1>is that there's this huge kind of cast of thousands

0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>of people who kind of flit in and out of

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 1>these various troops. And one of them, well, actually there's

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 1>a trio that we're fascinating. So snake charmers, Russian spies

0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 1>and Daisy Baits, yes, actually Daisy Baits all kind of

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 1>are in the orbit of Mabel's brother's circus. The Russian Spy.

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:52.400
<v Speaker 1>He's a sharpshooter who claims to be a Russian dissident.

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 1>He isn't, but actually his wife is. And he's a

0:29:56.920 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>master armsman, so he does things like, you know, shoots

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 1>apples off people's heads at you know, five hundred yards

0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 1>of this kind of stuff. But yes, he claims to

0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 1>be a former white Russian spy but he's not. But

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 1>his wife really was a white Russian dissident who comes

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 1>to Australia. So yeah, there's these amazing, colorful characters that

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 1>you just couldn't make up. And while I was writing it,

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I was texting my colleague Miikki and saying, you wouldn't

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:22.880
<v Speaker 1>believe who's turned up now you know, there's this Russian

0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 1>spy you wouldn't play, snake chumps who get bitten andla.

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 1>So yes, it's a cast of thousands who I never

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 1>knew existed, and I think everyone will really enjoy finding

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:39.960
<v Speaker 1>out about this very colorful, very rich, very exciting world

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 1>that is entirely forgotten by mainstream life these days. Yeah,

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 1>it was just a wonderful playground to explore. And I

0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:54.520
<v Speaker 1>spent five years essentially writing Mabel, and I'm kind of

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:56.480
<v Speaker 1>sad to see it go, but I will never stop looking.

0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's still that five year gap between ninety

0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:01.480
<v Speaker 1>nine in nineteen oh four that I don't know what

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:03.480
<v Speaker 1>she was up to. So I will never stop looking

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:05.880
<v Speaker 1>for Mabel. She's going to be with me forever, much

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:09.240
<v Speaker 1>to the chagrin of my children, like my mum, what

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 1>are you doing? Maybe she's an obsession. You know, she

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 1>got under my skin and she didn't want to leave.

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 1>So this book was really a way of kind of

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 1>honoring that life where she was seen as worthless for

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 1>most of her life. You know, she was at the

0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 1>very edge of society. But I think she deserves a

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:30.120
<v Speaker 1>whole lot more, and I think many women like her

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:33.320
<v Speaker 1>deserved a whole lot more, and that was one of

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 1>the reasons why I wrote the book.

0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Fantastic Now, just to remind listeners the book, it's called

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Three Ring Circus, The Dramatic, mysterious and tragical Life of

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Mabel Walley, a destitute asylum Girl. Where's the best place

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 2>for people to buy the book?

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:52.160
<v Speaker 1>So, it's published by Australian Scholarly in North Melbourne. It's

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:55.400
<v Speaker 1>readily available through Dimicks or you can order it off

0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:59.240
<v Speaker 1>the Australian Scholarly website. I would actually also like to

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 1>to my horn that the book was awarded the Historical

0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 1>Society of South Australia Keen Medal for Historical Nonfiction in

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:08.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two. It was the joint winner of the

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two Medal round. So I actually got a lovely, lovely,

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:18.000
<v Speaker 1>nice piece of bronze for that. Well done, that's really nice,

0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:20.840
<v Speaker 1>gat versions, that was wonderful.

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 2>And we'll actually put the link to buy a copy

0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 2>of the book in the show notes to this episode

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:27.200
<v Speaker 2>if any listeners would like to buy a copy. Well,

0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:29.720
<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for sharing the story with us today. Krein,

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:31.640
<v Speaker 2>don't really enjoyed it, no worries.

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 1>You're very welcome.

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