Speaker 1: Peedo Kredlin live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the show. Here's what's
Speaker 2: coming up on credline. Fresh warnings tonight about the extent
Speaker 2: of alleged corruption on Victoria's big build sites, with revelations
Speaker 2: the Victorian labor government cave to union pressure on a
Speaker 2: taxpayer funded project.
Speaker 3: More on that shortly.
Speaker 2: More budget pressure for labor with calls to lift the
Speaker 2: turnover ceiling and scrap a ten million dollar lifetime cap
Speaker 2: as part of CGT carveouts for startups. Newpolling and Victoria
Speaker 2: shows one nation ahead of the major parties. So what
Speaker 2: does this mean for Premier Deciner Allen's leadership?
Speaker 3: And President Donald Trump is vowing.
Speaker 2: To charge fees to use the straight ofform moos, what
Speaker 2: impact will this have on Australia.
Speaker 4: I want to hear BURSA because we're protecting a very
Speaker 4: rich portion of the world. We're spending money and so
Speaker 4: what we've done is we are going to be reimbursed
Speaker 4: for protection we're protecting by the countries that we're helping.
Speaker 2: Today's housing headlines should concern every Australian, not just those
Speaker 2: trying to buy a home, but anyone who already owns one.
Speaker 2: The ripple effects of Labour's housing overhaul are becoming clearer
Speaker 2: by the day. The government said the tax changes wouldn't
Speaker 2: cause a dramatic fall in house prices.
Speaker 3: Here is the Prime Minister.
Speaker 5: Treasury has done modeling which shows that they'll still continue
Speaker 5: to be an increase, but it will be smaller than
Speaker 5: it would have been otherwise.
Speaker 3: But today's data tells a very different story.
Speaker 2: Instead of simply growing more slowly, they're plummeting. According to Cotality,
Speaker 2: property prices in parts of Sydney fell close to ten
Speaker 2: percent in just three months.
Speaker 3: For homeowners.
Speaker 2: That means years of hard earned equity wiped away in
Speaker 2: a matter of months, and spare a thought for retirees
Speaker 2: and downsizes, a group this government too often seems to forget.
Speaker 2: For many of them, the family home is their retirement plan.
Speaker 2: It's what they were counting on to fund the next
Speaker 2: stage of their lives. But when property values fall, so
Speaker 2: does their buying power. A retiree who could have sold
Speaker 2: twelve months ago and comfortably moved into a smaller unit
Speaker 2: may no longer be able to and the financial loss
Speaker 2: is only part of it. A real estate agent in
Speaker 2: Greenwich says we need to be talking about the mental
Speaker 2: health impacts of this downturn.
Speaker 6: We're not hearing a lot about the mental anguish, the
Speaker 6: stress a distant causing on retirees, older people, and what's happening,
Speaker 6: particularly on the Upper North Shore mark is twelve months
Speaker 6: ago they may have been able to downsize if they
Speaker 6: had a property worth three four million dollars. Now they're losing.
Speaker 6: They're not even getting two point nine two point five
Speaker 6: for property, which is having a direct impact on their
Speaker 6: ability to purchase a second hand or even a new unit,
Speaker 6: a smaller unit perhaps with no stairs, level living. And
Speaker 6: the mental anguish and the health concerns that's causing these people,
Speaker 6: some of them are trying to get into nursing homes
Speaker 6: is absolutely devastating.
Speaker 3: And the impacts don't end there.
Speaker 2: The Australian newspaper reports today that Australia's two point three
Speaker 2: million property investors are rapidly changing strategy. Rather than buying
Speaker 2: established homes, they're turning to new bills, creating a battle
Speaker 2: for first home buyers. So Australians are once again asking
Speaker 2: did the government understand the consequences of its own policy?
Speaker 2: A buyer's agent explained to Mike Levy on two GB
Speaker 2: why these changes could make it harder for young Australians
Speaker 2: trying to break into the market.
Speaker 7: Let's just be rich for a second. So I used
Speaker 7: to buy two million dollar negatively get property, right, be
Speaker 7: could I chunk take a bit chunk off my tax
Speaker 7: bill and all elbows thrown a little spanner in for
Speaker 7: negative gearing. So I'm still rich. I've still got money,
Speaker 7: but the top end of the market doesn't.
Speaker 8: Make sense anymore.
Speaker 7: So what we're seeing is people are now breaking that up.
Speaker 7: The rich people are breaking it up into three or
Speaker 7: four affordable properties and then putting that money into the
Speaker 7: area where all the first home buyers are. And all
Speaker 7: of my rich mates they're all doing exactly the same thing.
Speaker 7: So right now we've got this bit of a lull
Speaker 7: period where people are just scared of making decisions. And
Speaker 7: then what's that doing to the affordable end. We've got
Speaker 7: rents rising in Sydney for fifty dollars a week or
Speaker 7: fifty dollars already units thirty dollars, So it's going to
Speaker 7: then make it harder for the normal everyday Australian to save.
Speaker 2: The irony is hard to ignore. Labor wanted to discourage
Speaker 2: property investors. Instead, many are simply turning their attention away
Speaker 2: from established homes to new builds, putting them in direct
Speaker 2: competition with first home buyers. Yet Housing Minister Clara O'Neil
Speaker 2: insists changes will help out those first home buyers.
Speaker 5: What the budget changes do do is put first home
Speaker 5: buyers on a level playing field for the first time.
Speaker 5: We've got home ownership rates for young people around this
Speaker 5: country crashing through the floor, and our government is stepping
Speaker 5: up and making real change to give first time buyers
Speaker 5: a shot they deserve.
Speaker 2: But if the goal was to make housing more affordable,
Speaker 2: has it actually worked? House prices might be falling, but
Speaker 2: affordability isn't just about the sticker price of a home.
Speaker 2: It's about whether Australians can actually save a deposit, get
Speaker 2: a mortgage and compete in a market where demands still
Speaker 2: far outweigh supply. Senator Andrew Bragg says that's exactly.
Speaker 3: What this debate is missing.
Speaker 9: And now house prices are too high from a young
Speaker 9: person's perspectively, no doubt about that. And all this is
Speaker 9: going to do is highlight that young people can't afford
Speaker 9: to buy these houses.
Speaker 10: So ultimately you're satisfied in seeing house prices declining.
Speaker 9: If that's going to help young people get in, then
Speaker 9: that's a good thing. But I make the point that
Speaker 9: it's not about the actual price, it's about affordability, and
Speaker 9: affordability has been smashed by this government because they've let
Speaker 9: almost two million people into the country and they've only
Speaker 9: built about six hundred thousand house It doesn't.
Speaker 3: And that's the reality.
Speaker 2: Unless Australia builds enough homes to keep up with population growth,
Speaker 2: young Australians will still struggle to buy one. Housing isn't
Speaker 2: just another political issue. It is the single biggest store
Speaker 2: of wealth in this country. Around thirteen trillion dollars is
Speaker 2: tied up in residential property. That's more than Australians hold
Speaker 2: in superannuation shares and commercial property combined. So when governments
Speaker 2: fundamentally change the housing market, the consequences don't stop at
Speaker 2: home values.
Speaker 3: It ripples through the entire economy.
Speaker 11: There's a reality here, and that is the wealth effect
Speaker 11: of home prices. If home prices established, home prices are falling,
Speaker 11: Australians spends They spend less on furniture, on cars, on
Speaker 11: home renovations, on a whole range of things. Home Builders
Speaker 11: don't build when home prices are falling, and the reason
Speaker 11: is because there is no buying demand out there to
Speaker 11: buy those times, and so therefore the impact on the
Speaker 11: economy can be especially done.
Speaker 2: That's why housing policy is too important to experiment with,
Speaker 2: because when governments get it wrong, Australians pay the price.
Speaker 2: What I'm about to discuss is deeply confronting. It involves
Speaker 2: the alleged abuse of children in childcare centers. But it's
Speaker 2: a conversation. We must have today's headlines name another alleged
Speaker 2: childcare offender. How was our system allowed this to potentially
Speaker 2: happen again? Parents would have read these headlines today and
Speaker 2: then done something almost imaginable. They still had to drop
Speaker 2: their children at childcare and go to work because for
Speaker 2: most Australian families today, two incomes aren't a luxury, it's
Speaker 2: a necessity. Parents leave their children at childcare believing they're
Speaker 2: in the safest possible hands.
Speaker 3: I know that feeling.
Speaker 2: I've dropped my two boys at childcare in the past
Speaker 2: and had to drive to work. Every parent does that.
Speaker 2: That trust is sacred, and when that trust is allegedly broken,
Speaker 2: the consequences last a lifetime. The man at the center
Speaker 2: of today's headlines is facing more than three hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty charges over his alleged abuse.
Speaker 3: Of one hundred and fifty children.
Speaker 2: Police say he worked at more than sixty childcare centers
Speaker 2: during his career, with the alleged abuse occurring at ten
Speaker 2: of those places.
Speaker 12: The abuse of trust we alleged has occurred is devastating
Speaker 12: and will have life long ramifications for victims and their families.
Speaker 12: All I can say is we never gave up and
Speaker 12: we never will.
Speaker 2: But how does someone move through that many workplaces without
Speaker 2: the system stopping them? And this isn't the first time
Speaker 2: serious questions have been raised about Australia's childcare system. Just
Speaker 2: last week, another childcare worker was jailed for sexual offenses
Speaker 2: against nine children, and we all remember the horrific allegations
Speaker 2: that rocked Melbourne's childcare sector last year. At some point
Speaker 2: we must stop simply reacting to these stories and start
Speaker 2: fixing the system that allows them to happen. This tragedy
Speaker 2: also exposes something else. Australia has become heavily reliant on
Speaker 2: large childcare centers. Parents need more options for care, whether
Speaker 2: that's nanny's, grandparents.
Speaker 3: Or home based careers.
Speaker 2: Governments must do more to give families choice rather than
Speaker 2: forcing everyone into the same system. Childcare choice advocate von
Speaker 2: Hosking says the news is hard for parents.
Speaker 13: This is one of the worst alleged childcare abuse cases
Speaker 13: in Australia's history and it's a gut punch to every
Speaker 13: single family who's had no option but to trust the system.
Speaker 3: Parents to serve better.
Speaker 13: Children deserve better.
Speaker 3: And missus Hoskin is right.
Speaker 2: We must do everything possible to protect children because if
Speaker 2: we're not, then we cannot keep pretending this system is working.
Speaker 14: Well.
Speaker 3: Let's said to Canberra Now.
Speaker 2: For tonight's political headlines were Sky Near's political reporter cam.
Speaker 15: Redden Good Evening Opposition leader Angus Taylor says he's not
Speaker 15: conflicted about whether to criticize one Nation, but is stopping
Speaker 15: short of declaring outright war on the party.
Speaker 8: I say what I say about one nation with a
Speaker 8: heavy heart. Frankly, I say it with a heavy heart.
Speaker 8: Why Well, the reason well, because I know many of
Speaker 8: the good people I want voting for us I have,
Speaker 8: so you're inflicted when they're taking here I am. I
Speaker 8: am not conflicted. They do not have a plan for
Speaker 8: the future of this country.
Speaker 15: The Prime Minister will tomorrow deliver a landmark speech on
Speaker 15: artificial intelligence. It's being billed as his most significant address
Speaker 15: on the issue.
Speaker 16: One of the concerns I have is when the Prime
Speaker 16: Minister makes his statement tomorrow, he'll move the country towards
Speaker 16: too much regulation.
Speaker 15: The government has been facing calls from Australian creatives like
Speaker 15: artists and musicians, who argue the big tech companies have
Speaker 15: been ripping off their work to train AI models without
Speaker 15: sufficient compensation.
Speaker 5: The Abanez government is committed to the robust copyright framework
Speaker 5: that Australia enjoys.
Speaker 15: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
Speaker 2: Another busy week in news and who better to look
Speaker 2: under the bonnet than Sky News political editor Andrew Clenell, Andrew,
Speaker 2: great to see you.
Speaker 3: Let's start now with the straight of horn.
Speaker 2: Moves, because both the oppice position and the Government have
Speaker 2: been very swift to pretty much condemn President Trump's idea
Speaker 2: about this twenty percent levy on ships that are going
Speaker 2: through the Strait of Horror moves. Dan teen has urged
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister to flag the concerns directly with the
Speaker 2: White House. But when you hear comments like that, in
Speaker 2: all honesty, would Donald Trump listened to anything that we
Speaker 2: had to say when it came to a comment regarding
Speaker 2: tariffs and levies in the strait of Horn moves?
Speaker 17: Well, that's why I think, Anthony Albenize, you'll stay out
Speaker 17: of it. But is it just an idle threat? I mean,
Speaker 17: you've got to wonder that, especially when it's a social
Speaker 17: media post by Donald Trump. He he throws these things
Speaker 17: out there. You've got to take it a little less
Speaker 17: literally than we're accustomed to in political reporting.
Speaker 1: I think, and I think it is just.
Speaker 17: A threat out there, you know, kind of a flash
Speaker 17: in his head saying that. I mean, it's exactly what
Speaker 17: Iram was condemned for suggesting a similar proposal. So the
Speaker 17: international community is not going to cop that. But it
Speaker 17: illustrates the mess that the situation's created. I mean, we
Speaker 17: were in a situation where we kind of thought the
Speaker 17: petrol prices are going to come down, the XIS cut
Speaker 17: can come off. The government kept it halfway because they said,
Speaker 17: you know, this thing might not be over yet. And
Speaker 17: sure enough at eight and you know, the suspicion is
Speaker 17: now it could still go for another few months. So
Speaker 17: perhaps we all celebrated early on the war to concern.
Speaker 2: Well, the government has said that we shouldn't worry when
Speaker 2: it comes to fuel. What are some of the things
Speaker 2: that you're hearing? Are they quietly a lot more concerned
Speaker 2: when it comes to Bowen and out fuel resources and imports.
Speaker 17: I think it's one of those things where they've done
Speaker 17: the work, so for three months it's okay. After that though,
Speaker 17: surely they're worried. So that's that's kind of what we're
Speaker 17: looking at. And so you know it can't go on forever.
Speaker 17: But I think if it goes on another two or
Speaker 17: three months, were okay, But gee, it's a locker room
Speaker 17: situation than it was a week ago, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Well let's come to some domestic issue now, and one
Speaker 2: in particular, Andrew.
Speaker 3: We are still talking about this budget and it is
Speaker 3: now months on the latest.
Speaker 2: Is Labor now under pressure to dramatically lift the turnover
Speaker 2: ceiling and scrap the ten million lifetime cap and this
Speaker 2: is around its capital gains tax carve.
Speaker 3: Out for startups?
Speaker 2: What are you hearing when it comes to this and
Speaker 2: are they likely to do more changes as well.
Speaker 1: I think that will do more changes, And I think it's.
Speaker 17: A it's messy because it should be sort of by
Speaker 17: now you've had legislation through.
Speaker 1: Now they sort of put out this options paper.
Speaker 17: I mean, it all feels a bit us about, if
Speaker 17: I can use that term, really, I mean, this is
Speaker 17: why traditionally, you like John Howard did a big GST
Speaker 17: lock up, then he did a budget. You know, they say, well,
Speaker 17: a lot of changes made to the GST, but these
Speaker 17: seem somewhat more significant. And then we had the Henry
Speaker 17: Tax review. You've got that proposals all out there and open,
Speaker 17: and during that period people can come up with holes
Speaker 17: in it, you know. But if you sort of have
Speaker 17: just a few little leaks come out and then whack
Speaker 17: it in a budget on budget night, this is fact,
Speaker 17: this is happening, that's where you get issues. And it
Speaker 17: did appear like until there was stories a couple of
Speaker 17: days before the budget, they hadn't really thought of startups
Speaker 17: because they changed the capital gains system so you can
Speaker 17: claim indexation, but startups start from zero. It has no
Speaker 17: value to start with, so they can't claim indexation. And
Speaker 17: that was always a problem. So then oh, okay, we're
Speaker 17: going to exempt startups. But then all these conditions and
Speaker 17: they're very contentious, So I mean, you know, we know
Speaker 17: one thing for sure, people are going to lose out.
Speaker 17: Business is going to lose out. That's probably not good
Speaker 17: for the economy. It does make you sort of wonder
Speaker 17: would they have been better off just doing the negative
Speaker 17: gearing change, not the capital gains change? Have they bitten
Speaker 17: off more than they can chew with capital gains tax
Speaker 17: because it doesn't just affect property because of rate rises,
Speaker 17: the property markets on the way down anyway. That's good
Speaker 17: for first time buyers, but it's not going to be
Speaker 17: popular with many Australians or for homeowners.
Speaker 1: It does appear messy.
Speaker 17: But despite this, largely because the opposition isn't performing that
Speaker 17: well and one nation's threatening them, the government's still in front.
Speaker 17: So I feel like they will feel that they've got
Speaker 17: away with it to some extent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I find fascinating right now when we
Speaker 2: look at polling.
Speaker 18: Now.
Speaker 2: I know this is obviously you don't take everything as
Speaker 2: biblical when you see different.
Speaker 3: Poles, but I find it's so.
Speaker 2: Interesting that labour doesn't really seem to be too scathed
Speaker 2: by what's going on at the moment. Let's not forget
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister lied repeatedly about these tax changes and
Speaker 2: he seems to just be going on untouched and one
Speaker 2: of these unforeseen consequences. I think of what's coming with
Speaker 2: this budget. You just mentioned, house price is going down.
Speaker 2: The first home buyers aren't getting into the market like
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister said that they would. Do you think
Speaker 2: that they would be looking at changing some of the
Speaker 2: aspects when it comes to housing because of the collapse
Speaker 2: that we're seeing, or they'll just sit back and let
Speaker 2: the market, to their point, correct itself.
Speaker 1: Yes, or they have to step in.
Speaker 17: I think they'll do that, and I think that they
Speaker 17: look quite cleverly really at the political cycle and they'll
Speaker 17: know it's two years out, so they'll just hope that
Speaker 17: their hope is it's all forgotten by them and as possible,
Speaker 17: other issues will take over. You may have that slump
Speaker 17: and then you may have rates go down as they
Speaker 17: started to do before the last election. They may time
Speaker 17: it perfectly and then prices go up, so they may
Speaker 17: have some luck on that front. It's a gamble and
Speaker 17: I don't think it's been handled smoothly at all. You
Speaker 17: see that from the back down and now all this
Speaker 17: messy stuff that's occurring. But I think they could well
Speaker 17: get away with it, particularly unless the opposition lifts its game.
Speaker 17: And I think this is you know, they say governments
Speaker 17: lose elections, oppositions don't win them, but I think this
Speaker 17: puts the to that because it shows that you know,
Speaker 17: you're never going to look as good as the incumbent.
Speaker 17: There's a massive advantage with incumbency, but you've got to
Speaker 17: present as something that does capture the imagination of people.
Speaker 17: And that's Angus Taylor's challenge. It's a big challenge for him,
Speaker 17: particularly with Andrew Hasty breathing down his.
Speaker 2: Neck, and also to your point, reminding voters leading into
Speaker 2: the next election about the promises that were broken so
Speaker 2: that these this period is not forgotten. Before I let
Speaker 2: you go, I do want to get your thoughts about
Speaker 2: this scathing attack that was in the paper today by
Speaker 2: National's federal president Andrew Fraser.
Speaker 3: So he's pretty much.
Speaker 2: Declared war on Barnaby Joyce and he's labeled Barnaby as
Speaker 2: disgusting and warned the party will win against one nation. Now,
Speaker 2: is this just political retric or. Is this a legitimate
Speaker 2: warning from the NATS.
Speaker 17: Well, if you went out there and asked your viewers,
Speaker 17: who's Andrew Fraser and who's Barnaby Joyce, Barnaby Joyce is
Speaker 17: going to win that hands down. Andrew Fraser was the
Speaker 17: stadium p for Coss Harbor for me years. He was
Speaker 17: famous for chasing Joe Tripodi around the chamber and trying
Speaker 17: to strangle him. He said I've only had a couple
Speaker 17: of wines and said he wanted to be breath tested. So,
Speaker 17: I mean Andrew Fraser fair enough, he's had a crack.
Speaker 17: But I think all it shows is how fearful they
Speaker 17: are of losing their seats to Barnaby Joyce in one
Speaker 17: nation and with some justification.
Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of where I see it. It's
Speaker 1: a real challenge.
Speaker 19: For the NATS.
Speaker 17: They probably picked the best person they could in Canavan
Speaker 17: as someone who can who's got a bit of charisma
Speaker 17: and can get stuck in. But there's something about Joyce
Speaker 17: I've got. Even even when he stuffs up when you
Speaker 17: interview him, he's just got He just talks outside the
Speaker 17: talking points, and this is what Canavan's trying to do.
Speaker 1: To and to some effect.
Speaker 17: But Joyce just has terms of phrase that the kind
Speaker 17: of people like, and he doesn't have the responsibility. Now
Speaker 17: he's got to be an alternative government.
Speaker 3: So and he's entertaining, he's entertaining.
Speaker 1: He's getting the attention, so's Pauline.
Speaker 17: The challenges you know, can Angus Taylor be spotted in
Speaker 17: a lineup or even Matt Canavan And that's the challenge
Speaker 17: for them over the next six to twelve months because
Speaker 17: one Nation has the jump on them there. One Nation's
Speaker 17: problems more is they're going to make political mistakes which
Speaker 17: are going to have people scratching their heads and going
Speaker 17: maybe not, but they are getting the attention that the
Speaker 17: Liberals and Nationals so desperately craven need.
Speaker 2: And that's why I think the Coalition need to not
Speaker 2: attack one nation. Just let them stand back and one
Speaker 2: Nation make the mistakes and they can be out there
Speaker 2: and do it and the Coalition can just stand there
Speaker 2: and prove why they are the stronger opposition.
Speaker 3: Andrew clen now, thank you so much for your time tonight.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I want to head down now to Victoria.
Speaker 2: And while there was news of a dip in support
Speaker 2: for One Nation, federally yesterday. It's not reflected in the
Speaker 2: Garden State, with another new poll showing the minor Party
Speaker 2: is ahead of Labor and the Coalition.
Speaker 3: A poll of six thousand, five.
Speaker 2: Hundred Victorians conducted over the past fortnite found One Nation
Speaker 2: leading both major parties on a statewide primary vote of
Speaker 2: twenty seven percent. Labor and the Coalition were tired at
Speaker 2: twenty six percent, with the Greens on twelve percent and
Speaker 2: other parties on eight. Here to offer us his insights
Speaker 2: is Victorian political editor for The Australian Anthony Galloway. Anthony, welcome.
Speaker 2: There's certainly been plenty of talk around the easing of
Speaker 2: that popularity surge towards One Nation, but it doesn't appear
Speaker 2: to be happening in Victoria.
Speaker 3: But the clock is ticking. You're at the coal face here.
Speaker 2: You've spoken to insiders from both sides of the chamber.
Speaker 3: What are you hearing?
Speaker 16: Oh, you're right, it's I mean One Nation at twenty
Speaker 16: seven percent and the two majors at twenty six percent.
Speaker 16: A massive sample size of six thousand, five hundred which
Speaker 16: the poll. Interestingly, the poll was commissioned by Victorian tra
Speaker 16: Ads Hall Council which is the peak union body in Victoria,
Speaker 16: and union chiefs were all brought in to Trades Hall
Speaker 16: today and they were briefed on the results. Given the
Speaker 16: sample size, there was quite a significant what's called an
Speaker 16: MRP which goes into predicting the result in individual seats
Speaker 16: based off preference flows. I understand for Labor it was
Speaker 16: quite dire in Melbourne's eastern suburbs. It's in the Eastern
Speaker 16: suburbs and the kind of sand belt of Melbourne where
Speaker 16: most of the Labor health seats are that the Coalition
Speaker 16: need to win at the November election. But the coalition's
Speaker 16: primary at twenty six percent is still too low to
Speaker 16: form majority government. But looking at it, there's no way
Speaker 16: Labour can form any kind of government on a statewide
Speaker 16: primary of twenty six percent. The coalition can because the
Speaker 16: preferences from one nation are likely going to float their way.
Speaker 16: Labour needs a primary of at least thirty percent. I'm
Speaker 16: told by both sides to have any chance of holding
Speaker 16: on to government.
Speaker 2: Well, let's go to justinter Allen's leadership. And there's certainly
Speaker 2: a lot of speculation around her at the moment, and
Speaker 2: one of those is that she's being propped up and
Speaker 2: protected by powerful Union figures. Now, obviously Labor will deny this,
Speaker 2: but just how tangible is the Union's influence over the government.
Speaker 16: Well, I think you're referring to an interesting Herald Sun
Speaker 16: piece this week on the ETU in Victoria and the
Speaker 16: State Secretary Troy Gray, who's a significant part of Justinter
Speaker 16: Allen's power base. I mean, you don't. You can't get
Speaker 16: the leadership of the Labor Party state or federal without
Speaker 16: having some kind of power base within the Union movement.
Speaker 16: It's important to note Justinter Allen came into State Parliament
Speaker 16: in nineteen ninety nine with the support of the ETU.
Speaker 16: She is an ETU MP. I'm told the ETU in
Speaker 16: Victoria and Troy Gray will go down with just Cintra Allen,
Speaker 16: even if the party room decide to roll the premiere,
Speaker 16: which I think is still a possibility when Parliament returns
Speaker 16: later this month and next month. I think I'm told
Speaker 16: the ETU will go down with Alan. She is one
Speaker 16: of their MPs. She's really delivered for the ETU. She
Speaker 16: didn't ban duck hunting, which the e TOU didn't want.
Speaker 16: She didn't go ahead with a gun guy gun buyback
Speaker 16: which was really important to EU members. And at the
Speaker 16: recent state conference she announced two thousand more electrical apprenticeships
Speaker 16: for this state Electrical Commission. So that's basically two thousand
Speaker 16: extra ETU members. So she's delivered for them. They'll all
Speaker 16: in all likelihood go down with her if need be.
Speaker 2: And Anthony, how much do you think these allegations though
Speaker 2: that are surrounding justinter Allen is impacting her within her party,
Speaker 2: but also are just amongst voters. When you're out around
Speaker 2: talking to different people, what are you hearing?
Speaker 16: I think the CFM you construction scandal, the the infiltration
Speaker 16: of organized crime and biking gangs on big build taxpayer
Speaker 16: funded projects has really started filtering through to the average Victorian.
Speaker 16: It's something that's just anecdotally mentioned by voters now both
Speaker 16: sides tell me in focus groups it's you know, the
Speaker 16: words corruption and CFME you and now are now being
Speaker 16: raised unprompted by by swinging voters. Labor knows it's a
Speaker 16: huge issue.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 16: The biggest probably probably the biggest issue for the premier
Speaker 16: is infrastructure spending used to be Victorian Labour's biggest asset
Speaker 16: that built a lot of things, whether it's roads, rail hospitals. Uh,
Speaker 16: you know, no one can deny that that has been
Speaker 16: an asset for Daniel Andrews and then Jacina Allen. They
Speaker 16: can't talk about the big build program anymore because of
Speaker 16: this Union corruption scandal and Anthony.
Speaker 2: Just quickly before I let you go, Jess Wilson has
Speaker 2: been on a regional tour. But how much work do
Speaker 2: the Libs really need to do to be able to
Speaker 2: win in November?
Speaker 16: Well, I mean, based on the polling, they would be
Speaker 16: winning in minority government at the moment. So I think
Speaker 16: the challenge for Jess Wilson is to get that primary
Speaker 16: from twenty let's take this Red Bridge Pole as fact,
Speaker 16: twenty six percent. It needs to get to at least
Speaker 16: thirty percent and beyond to be in any kind of
Speaker 16: position to be forming majority government. I'm told Jess Wilson
Speaker 16: is a real asset. Wherever she goes in the state,
Speaker 16: people like her, voters like her. She's doing some really
Speaker 16: interesting things on social media. But this kind of surge
Speaker 16: of one Nation, which is really a national problem that
Speaker 16: has just kind of hit Jess Wilson through no fauld
Speaker 16: of her own, has really complicated her path to majority government.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll certainly be watching very closely in the lead
Speaker 2: up to November. Anthony, thank you for your time tonight
Speaker 2: after the break distressing news in the childcare sector as
Speaker 2: a worker is charged with alleged three hundred and twenty offenses.
Speaker 2: But what's been the response from the government and universities
Speaker 2: will face the Royal Commission tomorrow to look at their
Speaker 2: impact on the rise of anti Semitism in Australia.
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
Speaker 2: It's great to have your company coming up, the warning
Speaker 2: from business CEOs over Victoria's looming.
Speaker 3: Work from home legislation.
Speaker 2: But now to the renewed fears around the impact of
Speaker 2: the re escalation of the war in the Middle East
Speaker 2: and what it could mean for everyday Australians.
Speaker 3: I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: Liberal Deputy leader and Victorian Senator Jane Hume.
Speaker 3: Jane, it's great to see you, dear, is you t
Speaker 3: as well?
Speaker 2: We will touch on ARAM briefly, but I do want
Speaker 2: to start with the CFMU and some of the reports
Speaker 2: that are coming out today, and in particular it was
Speaker 2: around a former senior official who oversaw the redevelopment of
Speaker 2: Victorian Hospital. Now this person says the State Labor government
Speaker 2: intervened in the taxpayer funded project to pressure public servants
Speaker 2: to sack a company that attracted the disapproval of the CFMU. Now,
Speaker 2: I know this is predominantly a state based issue, but
Speaker 2: as a Victorian senator, how deep does this alleged corruption go.
Speaker 20: Well, this is the problem, Jamie. It's not just a
Speaker 20: state based issue. It was only two weeks ago that
Speaker 20: the Prime Minister was.
Speaker 19: Asked whether any Commonwealth.
Speaker 20: Taxpayer money had gone to projects that had then been
Speaker 20: passed on to criminals, and he said that he had
Speaker 20: sought assurances from Premier Justinto Allen that that was the case.
Speaker 19: Of course, he said, of course I have.
Speaker 20: Now the problem is every single day we have a
Speaker 20: new allegation of corruption, and Labour simply shrugs its shoulders
Speaker 20: and said there's nothing to see here. Today's revelations are
Speaker 20: quite extraordinary.
Speaker 19: This is a senior bureaucrat in a.
Speaker 20: Victorian health building authority that says that he was pressured
Speaker 20: by the government to remove a subcontractor from a site
Speaker 20: because that subcontractor was in some sort of dispute with
Speaker 20: the CFMU. So the government was actually actively involved in
Speaker 20: that decision making and pressuring a bureaucrat to make a decision.
Speaker 20: It's quite extraordinary, and this bureaucrat has said that he's
Speaker 20: happy to testify that that's the case. Now when asked
Speaker 20: about it, Premier de cinter Allen has said, oh, actually, no,
Speaker 20: that's not the case.
Speaker 19: There's no basis for that claim.
Speaker 20: However, her own Health Infrastructure Minister clearly isn't satisfied with that,
Speaker 20: because she's gone on now to write a letter to
Speaker 20: that authority to seek assurances that corrupt behavior is not
Speaker 20: continuing and that the government is not involved. So there's
Speaker 20: the left hand isn't talking to the right hand, or
Speaker 20: the left faction isn't talking to the right faction in
Speaker 20: the Victorian Labor Party, because clearly the government has been
Speaker 20: involved in this process, in this corruption that is so
Speaker 20: deep seated, so deep rooted in construction in Victoria, and
Speaker 20: it's all tax pays, not just Victorian tax pays that
Speaker 20: are paying the price because that site received Commonwealth funds,
Speaker 20: which is completely different to the assurances that apparently the
Speaker 20: Prime Minister has received from cinter Allen.
Speaker 3: No wonder.
Speaker 2: Jess Wilson and the Coalition in Victoria calling for a
Speaker 2: Royal commission into some of these projects of what's going on,
Speaker 2: just to get some answers and see where there was
Speaker 2: any of this election CROs.
Speaker 20: It seems that in Victoria a royal commission really is
Speaker 20: the only appropriate solution. Now some states have taken control
Speaker 20: of this. Queensland is a very good sample. They have
Speaker 20: a Commission of Inquiry that's going on up there. And
Speaker 20: even today we heard allegations that the Master Builder's former
Speaker 20: Marchter Builders CEO had been so intimidated by the CFMU
Speaker 20: that he had considered taking his own life that they
Speaker 20: were camping outside his office with you know, people dressed
Speaker 20: up as the Grim Reaper, fake coffins. I mean, this
Speaker 20: is the kind of bullying and intimidation that just simply
Speaker 20: can't be allowed on work sites. And at the same time,
Speaker 20: we're now you know, it's taxpayers that end up paying
Speaker 20: the price for this. We are paying over the odds
Speaker 20: for this corrupt union to be on infrastructure sites that
Speaker 20: are building buildings, that are building bridges, that are building
Speaker 20: roads that Australia needs. But we simply can't allow it
Speaker 20: to continue. Now, my colleague Senator Maria Kovacic has put
Speaker 20: out a petition to suggest that perhaps at a federal level.
Speaker 20: If the government doesn't want a royal commission, Okay, we'll
Speaker 20: have a Senate inquiry into corruption the construction and building industry.
Speaker 20: And I think that's perfectly fair and reasonable. Yes, she's
Speaker 20: had fifty thousand people signed that petition, fifty thousand, which
Speaker 20: is quite extraordinary because people know when corruption exists, it's taxpayers.
Speaker 19: That end up putting the bill. But the government is resisting.
Speaker 2: I want to move on now to there's a few
Speaker 2: other issues I want to get through with you, just
Speaker 2: very briefly. Obviously, the war in Iran has teed off again,
Speaker 2: and we're hearing reports that President Donald Trump wants to
Speaker 2: now put in a levee for ships to be able
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 3: Through the Strait of hor Moves.
Speaker 2: But the government has said that we don't need to
Speaker 2: worry that our stocks and are all fine.
Speaker 19: What do you think, Well, we're not hearing that from farmers.
Speaker 20: They're very concerned with September plantings coming up, that they
Speaker 20: won't have the fuel and.
Speaker 19: Fertilizer that they need.
Speaker 20: We always knew that this was going to be a
Speaker 20: fragile piece, but at the same time, we don't support
Speaker 20: a President Trump's idea of a tariff or a levee
Speaker 20: on the passage through the straits of the Moose. We
Speaker 20: would like to see peace talks continue. We would like
Speaker 20: to see an end to hostilities, but of course that's
Speaker 20: really in Iran's court now they have the ability to
Speaker 20: bring all hostilities to an end, but and open up
Speaker 20: the straits of a moose.
Speaker 19: That's what we would like to see.
Speaker 2: Or if Albo and Donald Trump had a better relationship,
Speaker 2: you might better pick up the phone.
Speaker 20: And he isn't it I mean, wouldn't we like to
Speaker 20: know exactly what you what representations have been made by
Speaker 20: the government to their US counterparts.
Speaker 19: This is a big deal.
Speaker 20: We want to make sure that we don't add costs
Speaker 20: to shipping. We wanted to remove costs to shipping, which
Speaker 20: is why we want the straits open in the first place.
Speaker 2: Now, Senator, I want to talk to you about a
Speaker 2: distressing headline today that really hit me and I found
Speaker 2: myself actually feeling really sad and distressed when I was
Speaker 2: reading about it.
Speaker 3: And it is the childcare.
Speaker 2: Sector where another worker has been charged with more than
Speaker 2: three hundred and twenty alleged defenses. Now, obviously that matter
Speaker 2: will be left with the court to resolve.
Speaker 3: But I couldn't help.
Speaker 2: But think it's like this where a parent read that
Speaker 2: headline and had to put their kids in the car
Speaker 2: and drop them at childcare and go off to work
Speaker 2: and just hope that they were being in well looked after.
Speaker 2: And I just thought, we're in Australia in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: six and families still just don't have any choices when
Speaker 2: it comes to care.
Speaker 3: And I know that the coalition.
Speaker 2: Created that role choice for childcare, but what will a
Speaker 2: coalition government do to help with this situation?
Speaker 20: Yeah, this really is every parent's worst nightmarre, isn't it.
Speaker 20: I feel for the families that are involved. Obviously it's
Speaker 20: got a long way to play out. But from a
Speaker 20: government's perspective, there's probably two issues. One is how we
Speaker 20: can create an environment where we know that children are
Speaker 20: safe in care, whether it be at childcare, whether it
Speaker 20: be whether you leave your child with at a childcare
Speaker 20: center or another form of family day care, whatever it
Speaker 20: might be, that parents can be confident that their children
Speaker 20: have been well looked after, appropriately looked after.
Speaker 19: That's probably number one.
Speaker 20: But we also want to make sure that children that
Speaker 20: parents have the opportunity to choose the right form of
Speaker 20: childcare for their family. There are lots of different kinds
Speaker 20: of childcare. This one size fits all of the government
Speaker 20: really isn't working. I'm not saying that all children are
Speaker 20: at risk there, don't get me wrong, but this simply
Speaker 20: isn't a model that suits every family that we're now
Speaker 20: seeing childcare deserts. There are towns that simply can't get
Speaker 20: access to childcare. Something's got to give. It's also hugely expensive.
Speaker 20: It's one of the fastest growing expenditures on the budget
Speaker 20: bottom line.
Speaker 19: So we want to see more choice in childcare.
Speaker 20: That's something that the culture have been talking about internally
Speaker 20: for some time.
Speaker 19: We do.
Speaker 20: You're right, have a shadow Minister for choice in childcare.
Speaker 20: I think that's really important. There's one more aspect though
Speaker 20: that I think has been missed in all of this,
Speaker 20: and that's the industrial relations aspect, which falls under my portfolio.
Speaker 20: There was a Senate inquiry recently into quality and safety
Speaker 20: in childcare after some of the original allegations of a
Speaker 20: similar situation in Melbourne, and one of the findings of
Speaker 20: that inquiry was that childcare centers that might have suspected
Speaker 20: a worker of inappropriate behavior feared dismissing those workers in
Speaker 20: case there was an unfair dismissal allegation or they breached
Speaker 20: some fair work protections.
Speaker 19: Now that's a.
Speaker 20: Genuine concern because what you then find is potentially a
Speaker 20: childcare worker gets moved between sites rather than removed from
Speaker 20: the system entirely, and that puts children at risks. We
Speaker 20: want to make sure that our industrial relation settings work
Speaker 20: in conjunction with child safety obligations.
Speaker 2: It's something that really needs to have a focus on.
Speaker 2: So this is something a good opportunity for the Coalition
Speaker 2: I think to come out with some strong policies around it.
Speaker 3: Senator, thank you so much for your time tonight.
Speaker 19: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Well after the break backlash from the business sector around
Speaker 2: Premier just inter work from home laws. Well, coming up
Speaker 2: the US Congress will vote on whether to make daylight
Speaker 2: savings permanent.
Speaker 3: Is this something Australia should also do? But now to the.
Speaker 2: Survey which has exposed a major backlash from Victorian businesses
Speaker 2: over the Allen Government's work from home laws, with almost
Speaker 2: half warning they'll take their investment into state. Tim Piper
Speaker 2: is the head of Australian industry groups, confectionery sector, and
Speaker 2: part of coalition of Peak employer groups which launched a
Speaker 2: ten point plan they believe will make the legislation more workable,
Speaker 2: and he joins me. Now, Tim, welcome, let's start with
Speaker 2: this survey that shows almost half of businesses say they're
Speaker 2: going to likely invest outside of Victoria. This seriously undermines
Speaker 2: jobs and economic growth in the state, doesn't.
Speaker 18: It, Well, Jamie, Big and small companies want to be
Speaker 18: welcome in their state and they want to be involved
Speaker 18: in whatever economic activity there is. But if you are
Speaker 18: discouraging investment, and you're discouraging people from the next stage
Speaker 18: of anything they want to do with their business, then
Speaker 18: that can't be good for us. But what really means
Speaker 18: is that companies are going to stay in Victoria. I mean,
Speaker 18: they're ensconced here. They've got a lot of investment here,
Speaker 18: so they don't really want to move. But it's the
Speaker 18: next stage. It's the next level of investment that they
Speaker 18: might be making. And if they need to have projects
Speaker 18: done where they need to have somebody working five days
Speaker 18: a week for four weeks or six weeks or ten weeks,
Speaker 18: whatever it might be, this legislation won't enable them to
Speaker 18: do that. So what we're concerned about is that the
Speaker 18: companies just won't feel that they're welcome and they'll be
Speaker 18: looking elsewhere. And the other alternative that we worry about
Speaker 18: is not just interstate workers getting more work than we
Speaker 18: do in Victoria, but also the possibility of them looking overseas,
Speaker 18: because I guess if you can work from home from Victoria,
Speaker 18: you can work from home from overseas. And companies are
Speaker 18: already looking at ways that they can reduce the costs
Speaker 18: to themselves.
Speaker 2: That's a very good point, Tim, And I guess another
Speaker 2: aspect of this is the premiers said legislating this work
Speaker 2: from home is going to boost productivity. But if businesses
Speaker 2: are already offering flexible arrangements voluntarily, shouldn't the government just
Speaker 2: back off and just leave it up to the employers
Speaker 2: of what suits their business the.
Speaker 18: Best, Jamie. We think that most employers now are already
Speaker 18: providing that flexibility to employees. In fact, we think about
Speaker 18: eight out of ten of those that can reasonably get
Speaker 18: this flexibility are already getting it. And in many circumstances
Speaker 18: we're finding, you know, there contracts that have already been
Speaker 18: drawn up, agreements where you get one, two, even three
Speaker 18: days working from home each week, which enables people to
Speaker 18: have that flexibility. I guess that's the point we're making.
Speaker 18: We're trying to get amendments to this bill. The bill
Speaker 18: at the moment is really troubling us and we think
Speaker 18: will cause enormous problems for employers. For example, at the moment,
Speaker 18: if you've got a contract with an employee, it might
Speaker 18: be that they have two days working from home, it
Speaker 18: could be that that could be stacked on top of
Speaker 18: the legislation, so not just having two days working from home,
Speaker 18: they could have the two days agreed best part of
Speaker 18: the agreement with the employer, plus two days as part
Speaker 18: of the legislation, So they could be having four days
Speaker 18: working from home as a result of this legislation, which
Speaker 18: we don't think is good. Obviously, we don't think that
Speaker 18: that is what is intended. It's certainly not good for
Speaker 18: the economy and employees absolutely don't want that.
Speaker 2: And another element to this too, and warnings are rising
Speaker 2: about it, is that these laws are going to make
Speaker 2: employers less likely to hire the young and inexperienced workers
Speaker 2: who actually need face to face mentoring. Has that been
Speaker 2: factored into just inter Allen's decision at.
Speaker 18: All, having those young people and any any of us,
Speaker 18: but the young people in particular need to be working
Speaker 18: face to face very much in their early stages, so
Speaker 18: they can look at us all. They can see what
Speaker 18: managing people's like. They can see the good, the bad,
Speaker 18: and the ugly and then decide for themselves how they're
Speaker 18: going to operate. I think the bosses will be looking
Speaker 18: for those people that are under their nose, if you like,
Speaker 18: that are working from the office, working from wherever they
Speaker 18: can be on the employment site, and the bosses are
Speaker 18: going to be looking to them to be showing their
Speaker 18: wares to be able to progress, to.
Speaker 1: Be able to get promotion.
Speaker 18: And the more often that you're with people that have
Speaker 18: that opportunity to promote you, the more likely you are
Speaker 18: to be So I want the young workers to be
Speaker 18: able to benefit from having a couple of days at home,
Speaker 18: perhaps or a day a week from home, but spending
Speaker 18: most of their time in the office where they actually
Speaker 18: get a feel of what it's like being in the workforce.
Speaker 18: And I think into the future, the ability to manage
Speaker 18: people is going to be a significant factor that bosses
Speaker 18: are going to be looking for for their people when
Speaker 18: they're promoting and when they're looking for other people to employ.
Speaker 18: So I think it's benefits all the employees to be
Speaker 18: actually in the office to a very great extent. That
Speaker 18: might mean they have a day or two at home
Speaker 18: working from home, but nothing more than that. And that's
Speaker 18: what we're really concerned about. Making sure the amendments that
Speaker 18: can be created, not the change the bill, not to
Speaker 18: stop the legislation going through, just make it sensible so
Speaker 18: it's workable for both employers and employees.
Speaker 2: Well, Tim Piper, you speak a lot of sense. I
Speaker 2: hope the Allen government is paying attention. Thank you for
Speaker 2: coming on. Well, coming up, the E Safety Commission says
Speaker 2: tech giants have allowed gaps in detecting and preventing child
Speaker 2: sexual exploitation and abuse and should the anthem be played
Speaker 2: on Australia day before the Big Bash Final.
Speaker 3: That's next. Oh, welcome back.
Speaker 2: It's time to bring in tonight's panel, political commentator Roe
Speaker 2: Knox and New South Wales Independent MP Tanya Mahileek.
Speaker 3: Welcome ladies, it's great to see you both. Let's start
Speaker 3: with today's polling that's come out of Victoria and.
Speaker 2: It does show one Nation, ahead of both the Labor
Speaker 2: and the Coalition. But the interesting element of this, though,
Speaker 2: is the preferred premiere response now just Cinter Allen is
Speaker 2: crashing down at twenty four percent, with Jess Wilson up
Speaker 2: around the past the forty percent mark.
Speaker 3: Tanya, when do you think.
Speaker 2: LABEL will get to the point where they think, all right,
Speaker 2: we need to replace Jacinta going into November or it's
Speaker 2: going to be a blood bath.
Speaker 3: Well, you never know with Labor.
Speaker 14: When they replaced Gillard with Kevin Rudd, that was ten
Speaker 14: weeks before federal election, So you never say never with Labor.
Speaker 14: But I've got to say I think they're pretty much
Speaker 14: stuck with the center Allan at this stage. I think
Speaker 14: with four months left to the election, it would be
Speaker 14: very bad form at this point to try and move
Speaker 14: her on. But also she's a member of the Socialist
Speaker 14: Left and she controls the numbers the Socialists Left control
Speaker 14: Victoria Labor, and I can't see who would try and
Speaker 14: oust her. It won't be somebody within her own faction.
Speaker 14: And in the end, unless she falls on a sord
Speaker 14: and decides to go herself, I don't think there'll be
Speaker 14: any appetite within the Labor circles of Victoria to try
Speaker 14: and actually move her on, so they'll just live with her.
Speaker 3: In reality, I think a year.
Speaker 14: Ago there was talk and lots of sort of discussion
Speaker 14: about her going back then and they decided not to
Speaker 14: do that. They've stuck with her despite the toxicity that
Speaker 14: surrounds Allen and her government. In the end, you've got
Speaker 14: Premier Chris Mins and his cabinet essentially have an unwritten
Speaker 14: rule where they don't do any collaboration or any work
Speaker 14: with Victoria Labor. They sort of bypassed Victoria and head
Speaker 14: over to Malanascas and South Australia whenever they want to
Speaker 14: do a media op. And recently Alberanizi has now sort
Speaker 14: of seems to have walked away from just sent to Allen.
Speaker 14: So I think Victoria Labor is unfortunately in a position
Speaker 14: where they've come to the reality that they'll have to
Speaker 14: stick with her. What's given them some hope and interesting
Speaker 14: you mentioned one nation is the fact that one nation
Speaker 14: polling is rising Victoria, and what Labor is hoping for
Speaker 14: is for the right to divide in Victoria, for the
Speaker 14: coalition and for one nation to divide and Labor you
Speaker 14: know scraped through in the middle.
Speaker 2: You know, Rotania does make a good point because this
Speaker 2: is the constant discussion, isn't it about that fractured right
Speaker 2: side of the vote? Jess Wilson, I think is incredibly impressive.
Speaker 2: But do you think she just needs to work out
Speaker 2: a deal. I don't know who with because there is
Speaker 2: no one nation Victorian leader. But what do you think
Speaker 2: the solution is here?
Speaker 10: So, I mean, Jesse is obviously an absolute sleepstar. She's
Speaker 10: such a clear leader. She's working so hard, She's going
Speaker 10: the length and breadth of the state of Victoria. The
Speaker 10: issue she has is she's got to hold on to
Speaker 10: the twenty nine seats that she has at the moment,
Speaker 10: and then she needs an additional sixteen. And the concern
Speaker 10: about formalizing a relationship with one nation this far out
Speaker 10: when they jammy, as you said, they don't have a
Speaker 10: leader in Victoria yet they only have one candidate in
Speaker 10: the field, might be very risky in those twenty nine
Speaker 10: seats she's trying to hold, and even in her own
Speaker 10: seat of Q SO, I think she's doing a very
Speaker 10: good job of not denigrading one nation because when you
Speaker 10: do that, you're also denigrating all the voters, and we
Speaker 10: saw from that polling that are all looking at one nation.
Speaker 10: And she's also doing a good job of not formalizing
Speaker 10: anything until she knows what she has on her hands.
Speaker 2: I want to move on now to this E Safety
Speaker 2: Commissioner because Julian mcgrant has come out saying companies like Apple, Discord, Google, Meta,
Speaker 2: Microsoft WhatsApp have continued to allowed gaps when it's come
Speaker 2: to detecting and prevent her in child sexual exploitation on
Speaker 2: their platforms. But does it show, though, that the commissioner
Speaker 2: still doesn't have the powers to actually hold these tech
Speaker 2: giants to account.
Speaker 14: How do you think you can give all the powers
Speaker 14: you want to the Safety commissioner. How do you hold
Speaker 14: the massive, huge tech to heint's accountable. I think it's
Speaker 14: almost impossible. I think that a lot of these companies
Speaker 14: play us for fools. Really, they know that they're not
Speaker 14: integrating any of the legislation that's been moved in the
Speaker 14: last twelve months federally in relation to E safety. And
Speaker 14: no matter what money you pour into the Safety Commissioner
Speaker 14: or whatever type of resources or legislative changes that you make,
Speaker 14: I think ultimately the tech giants will just do whatever
Speaker 14: they see fit.
Speaker 2: Bro An interesting vote is going on in the US
Speaker 2: Congress about whether to make daylight savings a permanent fixture,
Speaker 2: and I feel like that's always debated here.
Speaker 3: What do you think should we be following suit?
Speaker 10: Yes, I mean, obviously this is a constant debate in
Speaker 10: the US. I actually liked I think there's one senator
Speaker 10: who's proposing a sort of middle ground where you have
Speaker 10: a standard time, which is essentially a balance between daylight
Speaker 10: savings and non daylight savings. So it means you have
Speaker 10: less day less nighttime hours, but you also don't have
Speaker 10: some parts of the country which would be without daylight
Speaker 10: savings that would have kids going to school in the dark.
Speaker 10: So I think they'll probably end up with some sort
Speaker 10: of compromised position. But they had this argument I think
Speaker 10: in twenty twenty two they continually have it.
Speaker 3: It's the same as US.
Speaker 2: And just very quickly before I let you both go,
Speaker 2: black tie and a wedding. Apparently it's no longer the
Speaker 2: done deal thing anymore.
Speaker 3: Cocktail never seen one.
Speaker 14: Everyone no black tie out in southwest western Sydney.
Speaker 15: Guys.
Speaker 2: Well, Broh, you and I both had black tie both
Speaker 2: we can't be in this conversation. I appreciate you both
Speaker 2: coming in tonight, and thank you for your company this evening.
Speaker 2: You'll see me again here tomorrow at six o'clock. The
Speaker 2: bolt report is up next