1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: From the news room and you still come today. Good 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: day there. 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Bucklow to make your hump day a little 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: bit more enjoyable. We've got some very entertaining stories online 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: for you right now in US dot com dot Au, 6 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 2: including an interview with an Aussie bride who had a 7 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 2: disastrous wedding day. Here's what our sections editor Charlotte had 8 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: to say about it in our team meeting earlier. 9 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 3: Apparently, it was just like a series of unfortunate events. 10 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 3: So like, she went to pop a champagne boss and 11 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 3: the cork flew into her head, and so like she 12 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 3: was like bruised and smiling, and so she started to 13 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 3: ic it and then someone said, oh, you need to 14 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 3: pop some painkillers. Instead of popping the pan killers, she 15 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 3: grabbed a couple of like rest of it. So she's 16 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 3: taken on like really heavy anti hycippines, which made her 17 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 3: like insanely drowsy. And then I think it was just 18 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 3: like one shitty thing after the next, Like the whole 19 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 3: wedding was awes. 20 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: It feels like something from a movie, doesn't that that 21 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: poor bride. 22 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: Make sure you check that story out. 23 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: We've also got a fun article online about an AFL 24 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: player from Saint Kilda named Jack Higgins. He has sparked 25 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: outrage in South Australia with these any plans for the 26 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: week in Adelaide. 27 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: No, I don't like Adelaide, so I've probably been room 28 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: playing calls. You do the voice. I'll tell you what. 29 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: Adelaidians are not happy. How do I know because I 30 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: am one. Even the Essay Premier has weighed in, so 31 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: you can read all about that. And we've also got 32 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 2: a story online about Donald Trump. 33 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: Can you believe it? How rare? 34 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 2: It's about the fact that he's recently been hinting that 35 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: he might try and seek a third term as president, 36 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: even though it's, you know, completely against the rules. We're 37 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: going to take a look at it in this episode 38 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 2: and find out if it's just Trump's wishable thinking or 39 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 2: if he could actually override the US Constitution. 40 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: So here's the deal. 41 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: The US Constitution says, and I quote, no person shall 42 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: be elected to the office of the President more than twice. 43 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: But President Trump, who is currently serving his second term, 44 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: has recently flirted with the idea of running for a 45 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: third term. 46 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: People are asking me to run, and there's a whole 47 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: story about running for a third term. I don't know. 48 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 4: I never looked into it, and they do say there's 49 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 4: a way you can do it, but I don't know 50 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 4: about that. 51 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: After making those comments in the Oval Office, some of 52 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: mister Trump's Republican mates came out and assured everyone that 53 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: the President was joking. 54 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 4: I think he's probably having some fun with it, probably 55 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 4: messing with it. 56 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: That was Senate Majority Leader John Thune. But in response, 57 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 2: Trump told NBC that he was not joking, adding there 58 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 2: are ways that he could potentially run for a third term. 59 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 5: In an exclusive phone interview, NBC's Christen Welker asked the 60 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 5: president about a possible scenario where Vice President Vance is 61 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 5: elected with President Trump as his running mate, and then 62 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 5: Vance steps aside, the president saying that's one method, but 63 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 5: there are others too, saying he would not talk about them. 64 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: Former White House strategist Steve Bannon has teased that Trump's 65 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: plans for a third term could be made public later 66 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: this year. 67 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 4: We've had greater long shots than Trump twenty twenty eight, 68 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 4: and I've got a lot of stuff we're working on there. 69 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 4: We're not prepared to talk about it publicly, but in 70 00:02:59,000 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 4: a couple of months, I think we were. 71 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: And here's another spicy little element. If Trump and his 72 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 2: aides magically find a way to circumvent the Constitution to 73 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: run for a third term, then in theory, the same 74 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 2: rules would apply to other former presidents if you were allowed. 75 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: For some reason to run for a third term. Is 76 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: there a thought that the Democrats could train to run 77 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: for ock Olabhama against you. 78 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 5: I'd love that. 79 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: I'd love that. 80 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: That would be a good one and I'd. 81 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 5: Like that. 82 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: Well. Well, joining me now to discuss the likelihood of 83 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: Donald Trump seeking a third term or being allowed to 84 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: is doctor Sean Treyer. He's a senior lecturer at the 85 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: School of Politics and International Relations at the Australian and 86 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: National University. 87 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: Good A doctor Sean. 88 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: Hey, good day. President Trump has said there are a 89 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: few ways he could possibly. 90 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: Seek a third term. What do you think those ways 91 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: could be? 92 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 4: Uh, well, my first impression was coop just that he 93 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 4: just refuses to leave that that would probably be That's 94 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 4: a method. It's one he doesn't want to talk about. 95 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 4: It's sort of the onion no one will stop me clause. 96 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 4: That's probably the clearest one, because I think for most 97 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 4: people the twenty second amendments very clear that no person 98 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 4: shall be elected to the office of president more than twice, 99 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 4: and there's these elements about you know, no more than 100 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 4: once if you know, say you're the vice president and 101 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 4: you serve more than two years of any term like 102 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 4: Gerald Ford did with Nixon. There is all this discussion 103 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 4: is about the word elected. And so most legal scholars 104 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 4: would say the language in particular, the intent of this 105 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 4: is pretty clear, but it's not like completely airtight that 106 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 4: you couldn't squeeze an argument. And that's really what's surrounding 107 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 4: this is that there's this little space for an argument 108 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 4: that he could actually serve a third term. 109 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the argument that the Republicans seem to be 110 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: talking about quietly at the moment is that word elected. 111 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: So in theory, could JD. 112 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: Vance run for president in twenty twenty eight with Donald 113 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 2: Trump as his nominee for vice president? 114 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: JD. 115 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 2: Vance wins, he gets elected as president, but then Vance 116 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: resigns and hands over the power to Donald Trump. So 117 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: that's one way to get around it. Could that work? 118 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 4: That's literally the only argument they could have on this 119 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 4: is that there's some way you can that you're ascending 120 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 4: to the presidency but not being elected to the presidency. 121 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 4: And so if you think about it, how do you 122 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 4: get to be president without being directly elected as president? 123 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 4: And the ways are basically, you've got the VP, you're 124 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 4: elected VP, as you described in this case, and the 125 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 4: president is either resigns, dies, or is incapacitated. The second 126 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 4: way without any election all is the gerald Ford way 127 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 4: that you know, the vice presidency's vacant. The twenty fifth 128 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 4: Amendment first applied to gerald Ford allows you have been 129 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 4: nominated and confirmed by both chambers of Congress before this, 130 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 4: actually they just often left the vice presidency vacant until 131 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 4: the next election. But then and then the third way 132 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 4: is sort of further down the succession line, where he's 133 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 4: not on the ticket at all, but the president and 134 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 4: vice president are now vacated, and he's elected to a 135 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 4: position or he's placed in a position where he could 136 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 4: ascend to the presidency. And the thought is the Speaker 137 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 4: of the House, who in the legislation on presidential succession, 138 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 4: is the third line and does not have to be 139 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 4: a member of the House to be elected. 140 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: All right, So there's a little window there for Donald Trump, 141 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: hypothetically if he did try one of these to seek 142 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: a third term. How do you think it would play out? 143 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I assume this would end up in the courts. 144 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: The Democrats wouldn't allow it, would they. 145 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 4: So the difficultart with the basic formulation is him being 146 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 4: as vice president is the twelfth Amendment. It specifically says 147 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 4: on the last line, but no person constitutionally ineligible to 148 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 4: the office of President shall be eligible to that of 149 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 4: Vice President of the United States. So there's this problem, 150 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 4: pretty strong argument that this he would be being elected 151 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 4: to this position. He can't serve in this role. It's 152 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 4: a little bit more murky of an argument dealing with 153 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 4: the ascendancy that he's never involved in the ticket. He's 154 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 4: never involved in the election. He's ascended from either a 155 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 4: nominated vice president or a nominated Speaker of the House. 156 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 4: Even then, there would be a lot of debate about 157 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 4: the intention of the twenty second Amendment. That the intention 158 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 4: is pretty clear. You're elected twice, you're not supposed to 159 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 4: be in office again. So it would definitely probly go 160 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 4: to the courts. It would be really shocking that the 161 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 4: courts would rule that he's eligible. What they might rule 162 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 4: is it's not their decision. So They might say, look, 163 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 4: don't involve us, We're not the people who actually have 164 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 4: to decide this, or this is not the right time 165 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 4: for this. So they may not refuse to allow him 166 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 4: to be on a ballot. They may say he has 167 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 4: to be elected for us to actually care about this. 168 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 4: Even then they may say, this is still not our problem. 169 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 4: It is up to Congress when they convene and count 170 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 4: the electoral votes. It's up to them to figure out 171 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 4: whether he's allowed to be president or not, which is 172 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 4: going to cause a potential crisis. 173 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: Tell you what, that's a little bit terrifying, isn't it? 174 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 5: All? 175 00:08:52,480 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: Right? More with doctor Shawn in just a moment, come back. 176 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: I'm chatting to doctor Sean Trier from an you now, 177 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: Donald Trump will be eighty two years old when he's 178 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: second term ends. I'm going to put you on the spot, 179 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: doctor Sean, as a percentage, how likely do you think 180 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: it is that he'll try and seek a third term? 181 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 4: Percentage is really tough to say, Like it's not zero, 182 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 4: but it's probably pretty low. And if you want to 183 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 4: put a number to it between zero and five or 184 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 4: zero and ten, you know it's I think it's very 185 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 4: likely that he personally will choose not to do it. 186 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 4: You know, it's he's the conditions of health, age and 187 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 4: popularity will probably discourage him. There's also requires to be 188 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 4: a lot of people on board, not just the people 189 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 4: who have to step aside from him, who are also ambitious. 190 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 4: The people who would like to run in twenty twenty 191 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 4: eight are just waiting for him to not be in 192 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 4: the picture. All the people running elections would have to 193 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 4: agree with this, so they would have to put him 194 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 4: on the ballot. Now, the court they might just refuse 195 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 4: because they say he's clearly not eligible. There's a lot 196 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 4: of they have to be certified. All of that has 197 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 4: to go just exactly right, and then he has to 198 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 4: win the election here or his ticket has to win 199 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 4: the election, or the ticket without him on it. But 200 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 4: wink wink, everyone knows it's really Trump. So his voters 201 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 4: still will turn out even though they don't see him 202 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 4: on the ballot. All of that has to go right. 203 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 4: So whether he runs again or not, probably a really 204 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 4: small percentage. Whether he's successful in doing that, probably even 205 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 4: a much smaller percentage. But it's not zero. That's it's 206 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 4: not going to be zero. 207 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: Time will tell a big thank you to doctor Sean 208 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: and if you're the latest on politics from either in 209 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: the United States or here in Australia, just check out 210 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: news dot com dot au. 211 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: We have got you covered all right. Thank you so 212 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: much for listening. I'll check to you again tomorrow follow 213 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: I'll subscribe to from the New Room wherever you get 214 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: your podcasts.