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Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast backstage with Cooper and Mattie John's.

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Speaker 1: You might remember several months ago we did a little

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Speaker 1: exercise the seventeen players of the era of the NR

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Speaker 1: real era. You would pick your current players to save

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Speaker 1: your life, okay, and people had their opinions. What was

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Speaker 1: It was funny because you had hamali Oli Kawatu in

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Speaker 1: your side and he said to you that my side

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Speaker 1: would belt your side.

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Speaker 2: That is what Amole said.

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Speaker 3: I think I ended up getting the edge on that one.

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Speaker 3: Feedback wise from our listeners who were quiet experienced. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: we did a draft style once. Once Matthew or I

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Speaker 3: take that player off the board, they're not allowed to

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Speaker 3: pick that person. So and then we voted at the

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Speaker 3: end of who had the best team. Tell you what,

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Speaker 3: a lot of our listeners got on board and actually

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Speaker 3: put made a team of people none of us picked.

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Speaker 3: And there are a lot of good players, current players

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Speaker 3: in the NL who we didn't select. But today, Matthew,

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Speaker 3: why don't you break what we're about to do.

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Speaker 2: We are going to do and this takes taking a

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Speaker 2: fair bit of preparation.

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Speaker 1: I'm really interested in what people think about this and

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Speaker 1: come up with your own side pick a team of

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Speaker 1: all time, all time players to save your life boom.

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Speaker 1: Since rugby league was played in the north of England

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Speaker 1: when it was called Northern the Northern Union or Northern Rugby.

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Speaker 3: Do you have any players from that Northern Union side?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't really come to mind.

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Speaker 1: I could have picked I belly ached over people like

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Speaker 1: Sandy Pearce and Dali Messenger, but couldn't really get a gauge.

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Speaker 1: So I wasn't brave enough to go there. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: let's let's explain. How are we going to do this today?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so what we did last time is we rock

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Speaker 3: paper scissors. Somebody gets to go first. They started at fullback,

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Speaker 3: and then the next person picks too, and back and forth.

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Speaker 3: What today we're going to do is because a lot

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Speaker 3: of people brought to our attention. It's a little bit

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Speaker 3: unfair in that sense where what we're going to do

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Speaker 3: is same thing. But you, Matthew, can pick any position

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Speaker 3: to start.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So you might a left front rower if.

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Speaker 3: You want your if you want to get left front rower,

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Speaker 3: if you want to go straight to your half back,

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Speaker 3: if you want to get the best players off the

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Speaker 3: board first, and.

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Speaker 2: Pick what position you want to put him in. You

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Speaker 2: can do that.

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Speaker 3: We don't need to go from one to thirteen.

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Speaker 2: You just start review. Walk are we going to start this?

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Speaker 3: I think the only fair way is rock paper scissors?

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Speaker 3: Oh you want to see you want it in camera

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Speaker 3: For the people who are listening, ready, paper rocks, papers rock?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, dad, papers rock? Oh no, all right,

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Speaker 2: what are the odds? Papers rock?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You got me. Okay, your first pick.

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Speaker 3: I'm snipping that paper. Okay, first pick, straight off the rank.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go straight to my hooker position, my captain,

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Speaker 3: my goalkicker. Cameron smith just inducted into the Hall of

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Speaker 3: Fame as well.

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Speaker 2: Actually, Smithy is the favorite to be named with the

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Speaker 2: next Immortal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and rightfully so, probably the greatest player of all time, arguably.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to piss anyone off. Sorry Joey if

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Speaker 3: you're listening, but yeah, spent a lot of time training

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Speaker 3: and if you was lucky enough to play with Smithy,

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Speaker 3: just a phenomenal player, how somebody with no real athletic

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Speaker 3: ability but nice as possible in the nice and possible way,

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Speaker 3: but just an amazing brain iq and feel for the

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Speaker 3: game that not many players had.

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Speaker 1: I remember first coming down to Melbourne when I was

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Speaker 1: working with Cooper Kronk and they were pretty much they

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Speaker 1: were a young side. There'd only been a lot of

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Speaker 1: the girls had just come into first grade for a

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Speaker 2: Cameron was really emerging. But watching him in the first session,

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Speaker 2: going Jesus, this bloke can play. You know, it's one

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Speaker 1: You went down there the year before there came sixth

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Speaker 1: knocked out by the Cowboys, I think it was, and

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Speaker 1: Washington went this side, this young side is about to boom.

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Speaker 2: English Slater.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, REMI I reckon a few of them will feature

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Speaker 3: in this draft as well.

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Speaker 2: Right, okay, what's on? You get to pick two now too. Okay,

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Speaker 2: any position you're on, I'm gonna get my two front rowers.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to jump in because the great Chris anders

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Speaker 1: And used to say, give me a great front row

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Speaker 1: and a great half back, and I can win a camp.

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Speaker 2: So he didn't want to go half back in front row.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go both. I'm going to go I'm

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Speaker 1: going to go to my front row first and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to go Arthur Boots and Australia's Australian sports Muhammad

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Speaker 1: Ali and you know that's that's not hoperbly that that

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Speaker 1: is the truth. He is the first Indigenous athlete to

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Speaker 1: captain his country Captain Australia supreme athlete. Was a junior

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Speaker 1: champion at tennis. The only person who beat He was undefeated.

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Speaker 1: Then they sent him down to Melbourne to play a

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Speaker 1: game and was beaten by Philly called Rod Labor who's

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Speaker 1: one of the greatest tennis players of all time, great box.

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Speaker 1: As a kid, champion squash player in his mid to

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Speaker 1: late thirties, he got called into the Queensland side for

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Speaker 1: that state of origin. He captain and he delivered the

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Speaker 1: punts to each teammate Mick Crohnin which really made the

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Speaker 1: concept what it is staate against state, made against mate

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Speaker 1: one Grand Finals one World Cups really has a player

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Speaker 1: let alone a b man had such silky skills, beautiful

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Speaker 1: footwork and astute tactical knowledge. A phenomenon beats and who's

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Speaker 1: your other one? Glenn lazarus ohe won six Grand finals.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't tell the full story though, back to back comps

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Speaker 1: Canberra was their first COMPS they won back to back comps,

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Speaker 1: the Broncos first titles they won, and then the second

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Speaker 1: year in existence, amazingly captain the Storm to their first

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Speaker 1: ever title. Mobility, size, arrogance, props, Laza probably.

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Speaker 3: The most successful front row of all time. Would you

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Speaker 3: say biggest winner premiership?

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Speaker 1: Well, the Broncos never won a comp coup and in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one Wayne Bennett said we need the X

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Speaker 1: and then went back to back.

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Speaker 3: Well, I've seen him that not long ago. Actually, Jeez

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Speaker 3: is still a big man.

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Speaker 1: Well, as you get old, unless you get in your eighties,

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Speaker 1: you don't tend to shrink.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I've seen I've seen plenty of people shrink. Well,

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Speaker 3: you've got my next two. Then if you're going to

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Speaker 3: go to the front rowers, I'm going to go to

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Speaker 3: my half back. And I mean he really he picks himself,

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Speaker 3: doesn't he? Our uncle, your brother Andrew Johns. I just

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Speaker 3: think you know he's it's between him and Smith. He

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Speaker 3: is the two best players of all time, great leaders,

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Speaker 3: great individual players. But yeah, Joey obviously gives that X

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Speaker 3: factor as well with him without the football and for

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Speaker 3: team Morale.

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Speaker 2: I'm regretting actually not going half back. I was going

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Speaker 2: to go Joey. I don't know why I thought that

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Speaker 2: you wouldn't go in. But anyway, why did you think

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Speaker 2: who else am I going to get? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Well there's a couple of good there's plenty of others,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, obviously Premiership winner ninety seven, two thousand and one,

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Speaker 3: just just a the real heart and soul of that

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Speaker 3: Newcastle Knights team.

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Speaker 2: Well the soul anyway. And then for my five eight.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually gonna pair Andrew with Wally Lewis, the King,

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Speaker 3: probably one of the one of the greatest big game

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Speaker 3: players of all time. It's particularly in the State of

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Speaker 3: Origin arena. A big body, a running five eight, very

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Speaker 3: old school, but as tough as they came as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, when the pressure is on and they need something

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Speaker 1: five minutes ago, who gets the football?

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Speaker 2: They're both calling for it. Cameron Smith mate, that's true.

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Speaker 1: I did remember watching Cameron in a State of Origin

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Speaker 1: from an elevated position where you get to see anything,

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Speaker 1: and he would walk to every rock and you could

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Speaker 1: see Thurston and Kronk calling the ball either side, and

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Speaker 1: he would look up and he count numbers and fire

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Speaker 1: who had the numerical advantage.

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Speaker 3: The best thing about smith I remember he was, he

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Speaker 3: used to say when he had Cooper Kronk and Billy

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Speaker 3: Slay to a club land because obviously at origin you

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Speaker 3: get so many people calling for it, but rarely at

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Speaker 3: club land you have two dominant spine players like Slater

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Speaker 3: and Kronk where they both want the football. And Smithy

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Speaker 3: said he had such good practice of going there and

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Speaker 3: scanning to make his own decision because those two always

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Speaker 3: He'd just say, you, guys, if you want it, call

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Speaker 3: for it, call for it. But I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: promise you that I'm going to give it to you,

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Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, it's my decision

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Speaker 3: I want to give it.

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Speaker 1: That's an amazing ability to count numbers on the run,

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Speaker 1: and if you watch it, one of the beauties of

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Speaker 1: Cameron is that he would walk. He would time his

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Speaker 1: walk to the ruck, which will enable him to look around.

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Speaker 1: I think too many times young hookers get to the

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Speaker 1: a basically their front rowers ars while he's trying to

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Speaker 1: play the ball. Becaurse I get two, now you get too.

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Speaker 1: But because you've gone the half back, Okay, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to hold off the hardback. I'm going to get to

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Speaker 1: my senders. First center Pete greg Ingliss one of the

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Speaker 1: greatest attacking players in the history of the game, but

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Speaker 1: had enormous physical presence. GI great stats, but they don't

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Speaker 1: Malmon Anger, but move like a Brett Mullins or a

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Speaker 1: David Pooci. I think the way he just moved, how

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Speaker 1: silky he was, and the body type he was belied

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Speaker 1: his raw power.

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Speaker 3: Well, not many centers had the ability to play. He

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Speaker 3: played five eight down at.

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Speaker 1: The Storm eight, won a Clive Churchill Medal at five

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Speaker 1: eight and fullback as amazing and played a bit of

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Speaker 1: wing firstly at Melbourne as well. And my other one

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Speaker 1: and I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: This combination is the great Steve Rodgers, the late great

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Speaker 2: Steve Rogers. Steve Rogers.

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Speaker 1: He was the perfect mix of attacking beauty, brilliance, but

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Speaker 1: mate was so hard nosed and tough, like when you

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Speaker 1: met Sludge. I remember as a kid meeting him for

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Speaker 1: the first time because he was such a beautiful player.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you expect him to be sort of

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Speaker 1: boyish in his face and when he see he had

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Speaker 1: scars all over his face. And the great Bob Fulton

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Speaker 1: used to say about him, said, mate, he was just

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Speaker 1: about as tough as player as he ever played against.

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Speaker 2: Really hard nosed.

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Speaker 1: Lorded incredibly but in my opinion, still not given the

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Speaker 1: full credit which he deserves. The great Englishman Tommy Bishop,

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Speaker 1: who went to the Sharks, he was an iconic halfback.

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Speaker 2: He said this about Steve Rodgers, a rare, rare talent,

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Speaker 2: the greatest all round center that I've ever seen. So

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Speaker 2: English and Steve Rodgers, well my next to you're in trouble,

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Speaker 2: I'm doing fine.

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Speaker 3: I'll go to my fullback. Then I'll take Billy Slater.

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Speaker 3: Billy Slater heard of him. I mean, we speak about

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Speaker 3: loudest bloke on the field, never got tired, always challenging

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Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like.

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Speaker 2: It's just preme.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, phenomenal. And then I'm going to go to

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Speaker 3: Yeah at Lock, great leader, but you know, I mean

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Speaker 1: I go Ellary Hanley, Sam Burgess, Malcolm Riley.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean just physical, scary and just one

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll go five to eighth, the number six, Bret Kenny.

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Speaker 2: Bert came into the.

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Speaker 1: They went eighty one, two eighty three, losing eighty four,

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Speaker 1: Wiggans's greatest ever overseas signing, which says a lot beat

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Speaker 2: As Man of the match. Brett Kenney. Where does he

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Speaker 1: He's coming on the show well as this comes out,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, ye did you pick both of yours? That? No?

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Speaker 2: I didn't have? I got another one? Have I Jackie's

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Speaker 1: Most people think I'll go first in here I'm going

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Speaker 2: It all together. Mate. He's just he can run the

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Speaker 3: Three Premierships genius as far.

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Speaker 1: As tactically, Neat is a neat nice, neat nice, sober

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Speaker 3: Yes sobers the defining factor he knows two and nice.

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Speaker 3: But and our thoughts are with Nathan as well. Obviously

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Speaker 1: Reports as we speak say that he doesn't need surgery,

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Speaker 3: That's positive for Panegies, mate, and through this.

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Speaker 1: Run they've had to deal with a fair few injuries.

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Speaker 3: They've handled the Nathan hamstring injury quite well.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be a challenge though, I was thinking before

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they would.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go to my back rowers. Then I'm

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Speaker 3: taking Boyd Cordner, one of the we had Tommy those

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Speaker 3: that listened to the Tom Troyvitch episode a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 3: he said he was his favorite teammate to ever play alongside,

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Speaker 3: said his leadership said everything about him was as tough

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go someone who probably doesn't get the

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Speaker 2: Sunny Bill Williams and winner. What a winner. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Definitely coops and had leadership when he came in. When

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Speaker 1: Canterbury Crusaders.

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Speaker 1: There was a little bit of petic jealousy because he

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Speaker 1: in no ways you don't appreciate I'll take my skills

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Speaker 2: Guess what happens they win, they win. Yeah, I'll get

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Speaker 1: And again the theme here is balance and toughness, these two.

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Speaker 1: And you don't for me back rowers. I love whole

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Speaker 2: For number one.

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Speaker 1: Gavin Miller in my opinion top three ball players of

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Speaker 1: late great Ron Massey, one of the greatest minds, always

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Speaker 1: had him number one, learned his genius in whole kr

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Speaker 1: like Brett Kenny and Steve Rodgers, ridiculously tough, I remember,

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Speaker 1: and they could fight like you've got no idea. He's

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Speaker 1: him one of the things that made him difficult. I

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Speaker 1: Miller start to have a game of a pool. Gave

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Speaker 1: beats Cliffy Cliffe Ben Cliffy Cliffe has.

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Speaker 2: And you gave and he walks and just stands there

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Speaker 1: Gavin's going give him the money, and Cliffy's just sort

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Speaker 2: Cliffian says, Cliff, I think you better give Gavin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to give it him.

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Speaker 2: Ahead of time.

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Speaker 1: But he would be a perfect foil for Nathan help

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Speaker 1: Norm Proven, Norm Proven, Saint George one that eleven eleven

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Speaker 1: competitions and or he played in ten. Yeah, when he

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about you Johnny Rape, and you had Gasney

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Speaker 1: and you had Langlans who come along and all those

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Speaker 1: they were all terrified of him.

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Speaker 2: He kept him in line. So Norm Proven would be

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Speaker 3: All right, well I'm going to go you know what,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go to my wingers. Since you haven't

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Speaker 3: done your wingers yet.

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Speaker 2: This is a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I suppose it's not an unpopular opinion. First one another

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Speaker 3: But I think if he stayed he probably would have

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Speaker 3: Semi rad Radra no phenomenal wing. Like at a time

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Speaker 3: as well when Paramatta actually weren't going that great, he

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Speaker 2: He was omenal player.

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Speaker 1: When he went to the first club he went to

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Speaker 1: Then he got bought by I think I think he

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Speaker 1: in the in the Zurich Premiership in England. He got

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Speaker 1: them and just tortured them. Just like when he went

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Speaker 2: And from there he's just gone.

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Speaker 1: He's got bigger and bigger, and he's got faster and

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Speaker 1: coming to more prominence.

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Speaker 3: If if you have if you can't remember how good

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Speaker 3: he was, go on YouTube every and go over look

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Speaker 3: at some of his long range tries. He's honestly taking

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Speaker 3: one try against South I think Kiry throws an intercept

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Speaker 3: and he he catches it on the his own ten

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Speaker 3: meter line and just basically jogs the whole field, just

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Speaker 3: stepping and fending everyone until his scores. My other winger

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Speaker 3: of rugby league. I'm talking about Israel for LAO. You know,

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Speaker 3: one of the greatest, probably one of the great individual athletes,

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Speaker 3: did it at all levels, state of origin, country like

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Speaker 3: he's he was just a phenomenon.

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Speaker 2: I wonder, I wonder if Israel regrets going to af

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Speaker 2: L with g WS. I think you would, because he

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Speaker 1: He and Carmichael Hant were bought to be the poster

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Speaker 1: that to appear on the poster. That's what try to

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Speaker 1: strike a blow in these new markets. I just wonder,

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Speaker 1: I wonder what Israel would have been if he stayed

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Speaker 1: at well, if he stayed at the Storm.

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Speaker 2: But he did go to the.

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Speaker 2: I know well, him and Sammy you'd think they who

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Speaker 2: knows how how big they would have been if they'd stayed.

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Speaker 1: A handful there. Okay, my two wings again balance. One's

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Speaker 1: Brian Tutter, I think the greatest yardage winger of all time.

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Speaker 1: Bigger the occasion better goes.

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Speaker 3: I think you enough set on toe we said before,

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Speaker 3: and drinks drinks five coke zeros on the morning of

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Speaker 2: Did you know that really? Five coke zero, not pepsi max.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know what's he gonna give five

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Speaker 2: coke zero?

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Speaker 3: The boys say, that's unlike anything they've ever said. He

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00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 3: sits there in the morning at breakfast on a state

440
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 3: of origin, on big games, and he'll just sit there

441
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 3: and have cans.

442
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 2: Of coke zero there and just he drinks them. Gotta

443
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 2: respect that. How weird is that some can and some

444
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 2: just can guess what it's working for your mind? Don't

445
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 2: change it. Don't change a diabet is where?

446
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 1: Okay, this second one, just hang with me here. Of

447
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 1: people of your vintage, I won't mean any to this name,

448
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 1: but when I read it this, this is one of

449
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 1: the most extraordinary stories in rugby league. Brian Bevan, the Finisher,

450
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 1: played in the forties, fifties and sixties. Now he's a

451
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 1: Sydney boy and Nistern Suburbs boy. Played eight games for

452
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: the Roosters.

453
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 2: World War Two broke out and he joined the Navy.

454
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: Post war, he arrives in England on the HMAUS Australia.

455
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 1: The only thing he has is a letter of recommendation

456
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 1: from a Rooster's teammate.

457
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 2: You've got to have a look at it. You've got

458
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:06,479
Speaker 2: to google him.

459
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 1: Brian Bevan, even in his early twenties, was baled and

460
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: he looked like an old man. So he turns up

461
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: at Leeds. Leeds say once a trial Leeds. So no

462
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 1: way goes to Haunslett, No way goes to three or

463
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 1: four other clubs. No way goes to Warrington, and Warrington go,

464
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: what the hell, We'll give you a trial. He went

465
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: on to play six hundred and twenty games for Warrington,

466
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 1: scoring seven hundred and forty tries. Oh wow, just a phenomenon.

467
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 1: Died in nineteen ninety one and Warrington they reckon the

468
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: whole city in Warrington and the town was just in morning.

469
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: And if you go to the center of Warrington. The

470
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 1: city center.

471
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Speaker 2: There is still a statue with the great Brian Bevan,

472
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 2: So Brian to and Brian Bevan ban Wow, Brian Brian

473
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: Carney didn't get a start. Oh put someone someone.

474
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 3: Knows, Brian Fletcher. I'm going to go to my front

475
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 3: rowers then, now that you've already done yours first front rower,

476
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to go Petro seven receiver the Fiji and

477
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 3: probably one of the best Queensland front rows of all time.

478
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: They've had a lot of them, but.

479
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 3: He was phenomenal and it's you know what als surprised

480
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 3: me how Fiji was classed as Queensland. It's it's honestly

481
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 3: one of the great, one of the great phenomenon.

482
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: Hindi raps Petro so much, he says, mate, pet was

483
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: just a play alongside him. Was amazing. I only played

484
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: him when he was a young guy. But when one

485
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: of those guys and you tackled and you go, oh

486
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: my god, that hurt.

487
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

488
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 3: My other front rower an actual this is an ex

489
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 3: this is actually an ex coworker of yours. Anybody that

490
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 3: used to tune into Dad's Channel seven show. His co

491
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 3: host Shane Webke.

492
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: Webby, Yeah, yeah, Shane Webke.

493
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 3: Quite bizarre, actually that dynamic looking back if you and

494
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 3: him hosting a show together.

495
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 2: But tough as nails. Great go forward. Not a lot

496
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 2: of ball playing for meim, but that's that's not what

497
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 2: you need. Gets under A gets a quick play the ball.

498
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: Played the two thousand Grand Final with a broken arm.

499
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: He said that he had the like the padding on it,

500
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: but through the game, whenever he ran, he could feel

501
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: the bones crunching against each other.

502
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: That's pretty tough. But have I got two here? You

503
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: still gett another nod from Jack?

504
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to go my hooker and I'm going

505
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 1: to go my lock firstly, my lockforward. God, there's some

506
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: beauties to pick your Johnny Rapeer, Bradley Clybe, and I'm

507
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: going to go for mister perpetual motion.

508
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 2: Ray Price from the Paramounter Reels.

509
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 1: One of the Greatest Game's greatest ever competitors, the paramount

510
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 1: of Dynasty. They say he was the most vital man.

511
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: Decent speed, good footwork, clever passes, but his strength was

512
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: his competitive fire. Played seven Tests for the Wallabies and

513
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: came to rugby league. I believe Paramounta never missed the finals.

514
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: The whole time he was there eleven years. I believe

515
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: never missed the finals and believed back then it was

516
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: the top five system.

517
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 2: When he retired at.

518
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: The end of ninety six winning a Grand Final, Paramounta

519
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: never made the finals again until nineteen ninety seven, twelve

520
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: years later. Says everything about him. Won four Grand Finals

521
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: New South Wales. Australia love him, no nonsense, serbic personality,

522
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,959
Speaker 1: used to rub people the wrong way, but a complete

523
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: straight shooter. Probably the greatest coach of all time. Jack

524
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: Gibson once said no one wanted to take him. No

525
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: one wanted to talk to Pricey on a Monday, but

526
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: everybody wanted to be his best mate on a Sunday.

527
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 2: Ray Price, what about your hooker? Hooker? Right? I've got.

528
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: Brett Kenny, I've got Gavin Miller, I've got Nathan Cleary right,

529
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: and I've got my hookers.

530
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 2: Can't my fullbacks come up?

531
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: Who's a creative and even Ray Price into a bit

532
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: of creativity. I don't need a hooker who to get

533
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: out there and play too much football. I'm going to

534
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: go for the hooker of the century. Popular belief is

535
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: the toughest Australian rogby League player of all time and

536
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: used to be a neighbor of ours around the corner,

537
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: the great Noel Kelly.

538
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: What's neighbor He was, as I said, not so much

539
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: of a creative.

540
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: Player, but who cares unbelievably tough, terrified opponents had his funeral.

541
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: There's a vision on YouTube, but it's only the only

542
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: half the story. The fastest send off at that point

543
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: history of the game. They're playing against New Zealand at

544
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: the scug anyway, one of the Kiwi players has a

545
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: go at one of the Aussies and Ned just goes up,

546
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: hits him with a left hand, drops him completely.

547
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 2: Referee goes, you're off at the funeral. I think it

548
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: was his son, or it might have been a mate.

549
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember it.

550
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 1: Gets up and says, that's only half the story. When

551
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: he got sent off, he walks into the sug dressing room,

552
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 1: the Aussie dressing room, and there's a bloke in there

553
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: stealing wallets out of the bags. So Ned went up

554
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: and knocked him out as well.

555
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 3: I've heard he has an almighty judiciary record.

556
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: He was.

557
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you this about Nol Kelly.

558
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: I used to go and have beer with him every

559
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: couple of weeks down at the colliery bushing services. I've

560
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: never met a bloke in his eighties who was so young.

561
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: He was just the bloke was a joy to be around,

562
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: his great man.

563
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 2: It was such a loss. I'm going to go.

564
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 3: I've got two more in my starting side, my centers,

565
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 3: and I'll be pretty quick with this. They sort of

566
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: speak for themselves. There's not a lot to go into

567
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: the Raiders combination of malman Inger.

568
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 2: And Laurie Daily.

569
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of probably goes down as one of the

570
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 3: best club combinations in the centers part of that dynasty

571
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 3: where the Raiders were just absolutely unbeatable. You played against

572
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: that side, I believe. Do you debut one of your

573
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 3: first games was against.

574
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: That Raider's side, Yeah, one of the first ones. Yeah.

575
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 3: It was just I remember you speaking about just how

576
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 3: much fear the big names and how physically present their

577
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 3: physical presence, just how much fear put in my position.

578
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: Well, Laws would eventually move into five eighth, so he's

579
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: five eighth, and then the two centers were Reuben Wicki

580
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: and Melmourninger. It's fair to say they used to beat

581
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: you up a bit with that Lorry Day and a

582
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: big mouth. The other halfs they were sorry the center

583
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: combinations in eighty nine and ninety and I think in

584
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: ninety one.

585
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 2: You saw Lurie move to five eight.

586
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: Chris O'Sullivan retired my fullback, last one of the starting lineup.

587
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: You've gone, Billy Slater. I've gone the og Billy Slater,

588
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: the Little Master. Clive Churchill, one of the original Forum

589
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: original Immortals with Johnny Raper, Reg Gasney, Bob Fulton and

590
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: Clive revolutionized the fullback position.

591
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: Fullback used to be believe or not.

592
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: Once upon a time a defensive position. The Little Master

593
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: comes on Clive and he really just changed everything. Flair

594
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: Slater before Slater won five comps with South's as a player,

595
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: won three as a coach. Right, one grand final. I

596
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: think it's a Grand final. It might be a semi.

597
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 2: It's a big game. Let's say it's a Grand final. Right.

598
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: So back when Clive played boys, if you broak your

599
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: leg and you got replaced at sorry and you had

600
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: to delete the field, you didn't get replaced. It was

601
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: like a standoff. So Blakes used to have to continue

602
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: on with horrendous injuries. So Clive in this Grand Final.

603
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: Let's say badly broken wrist, thirty minutes to go in

604
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: the game, and they go, mate, we've got to get

605
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: him off.

606
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: Clive goes, I'm coming. I'm not coming off the field.

607
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: I've got to finish the game. You know, I'm the

608
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: captain of the side.

609
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: So the doctor goes out to his goes out to

610
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: his car, gets two school exercise books hardbacks, puts one

611
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: on the top, ones on the bottom, and tapes them

612
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: together and forms a splint. Not only does Clive finish

613
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: the game, he kicks the goal from the sideline to

614
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: win it. Yep, surprise, they let him play with two

615
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: you're talking about the fifties and Sixties's true ninety seven

616
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: Grand Final because I knew where the house that he

617
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: grew up with the is on National Park Street in

618
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: Hamilton South and Newcastle. The morning the morning we were

619
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: driving down the day before the Grand Final, we you'd

620
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: head down on the Saturday playing the Sunday. On the

621
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: Saturday morning, I went and parked out Clive's house or

622
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: old house he grew up with it, and I said

623
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: a prayer. I said, mate, Clive, if you can help

624
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: us in any way, shape or form, can you help

625
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: us out.

626
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: Man. It's all I ask.

627
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: Not only do we win the game, our fullback Robbie O'Davis,

628
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: our own little master, got the Clive Churchill Medal.

629
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: Wow, that's very interesting. So is that starting line as

630
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: for both of Yeah. Yeah, So now you get to pick.

631
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: You're on your second pick. You get to pick someone

632
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: on the bench. Do we go to where we get

633
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: two for two for the bench?

634
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 3: Because you've got your second pick, now you get the

635
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 3: first crack at the bench.

636
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm going running Cook Ronkruit, the Great ron Kurt started

637
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: the Bunnies went across to ease. Along with Cameron, Smith

638
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: is one of the favorites to be named as the

639
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: next Mortal.

640
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: Deserves to be.

641
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: An immortal, incredible player known for his cover defense, but

642
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: could do everything and like Noel Kelly, just a beautiful.

643
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: Man and a great name. It's a name. He's good.

644
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: In the rhyman slang, it is go for Ronnie.

645
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 3: After this, my two on the bench, my first one,

646
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 3: Bradley Clyde. I've got Bradley on the bench. Mobile can

647
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: sort of play a little bit of everywhere in the forwards.

648
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 3: Tough enough to play front row, can play back row.

649
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 3: Chuck him in the centers if you need you.

650
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: Could, you could. He used to sort of chime out

651
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: wide with Malmon Einger.

652
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: He's that Cam Murray style where you can sort of

653
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 3: put him. He's mobile enough to play a little bit

654
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 3: of everyone.

655
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: I don't reckon.

656
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: He was more of a tal malolo right tlolo style,

657
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: but not not as thick as Jason, a little bit

658
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: more speed, and then by fourteen.

659
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: I'm going to go Freddie Fitler.

660
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 3: I think Freddy on the bench where somebody who played

661
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 3: lock five eight center quite mobile, can probably play anywhere

662
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 3: out there you put him out there. Just a natural

663
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 3: football and one of the greatest lead foot left foot steps.

664
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: I've ever seen.

665
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: Bob Fulton is Bozo Bozo. The next one is one

666
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: of the original immortals as well. Was equally comfortable playing

667
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: in the centers or a five eighth. Just incredible player

668
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: in credible speed, great instincts for the game. Really revolutionized

669
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: training in rugby league, the way he used to train and.

670
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: Tough I see.

671
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: I think about him mate with Boso, who he was

672
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: had this incredible competitive fire which spilled over into his coaching.

673
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: He was the same as coach can I because me

674
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: and Jack were talking about this yesterday. What was his

675
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: best position? I think it was probably six.

676
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: He first came when he first came into first grade

677
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: with me, he played in the centers. I'm trying to

678
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: think it was six. It don't think it was Ian

679
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: Martin anyway. I'm not sure, but I think six. I

680
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: think a lot of people who made at that time,

681
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: who saw a lot more of Bozo in.

682
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: His early years, will probably say three. But it didn't matter.

683
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: He could play third, he could play locke these days,

684
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: he could play full back, he could play anywhere. Who's

685
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: your second one? My second one, I'm going to go

686
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: for June Miles, Okay. Jeane Miles can play centers and

687
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: he can play back rail of the When I think

688
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: of Brett Kenny, I think of June Miles. Both of

689
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: them just amazingly talented and deserve more credit than they

690
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: have been given. Jeane Miles is one of those guys

691
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: that I think he's good enough to be remembered as

692
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: an immortal. Martin Feaire once broke the world record in

693
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: a Challenge Cup semi final against Leed. He's scored Leeds,

694
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: He's scored ten tries, and people go had he scored

695
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: ten tries. Well, have looked at it on YouTube. Jeane

696
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: Miles set them all up. Passes around the corner, flick passes, everything.

697
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: He was he sort of he used to he played

698
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: rep basketball as a kid. I used to do the

699
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: basketball passes over the top hands. My last two positions

700
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: on the bench. First one, I need one more front rower.

701
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: Who else but the Chief Paul Harrigan you stole you got?

702
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think just apart from being one of

703
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 3: the greatest blokes on earth, are tough a handy replacement

704
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 3: for Petro or Shane webke On as a starting front rower.

705
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 3: I mean, they're sort of interchangeable, but just just a

706
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 3: real good leader as well, and somebody that everyone wanted

707
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: to play with. And I've got my sorry, my last

708
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 3: pick as well. I want a little bit of a

709
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: mobile back roller on there.

710
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: This.

711
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a few to pick from here. Your

712
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 3: co host Nathan Heimash comes to mind, but I'm actually

713
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 3: going to go a man you mentioned earlier, Ruben Wiki. Well, yeah,

714
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 3: one of the great, one of the great, started in center,

715
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: went to the back row, played front row, like just

716
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 3: really really tough and extremely scary.

717
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 2: Right.

718
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: Oh, my last one I'm going to do one a

719
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 1: little bit left to center right, just because I played

720
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: against him and I used to marvel at how he

721
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: used to bash our.

722
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: Front rowers up really bad. And that's a blank to

723
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 2: come off the bench.

724
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: I was tossing up. Do I go Moses Leota, Do

725
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: I go James Fisher Harris? I'm going to go for

726
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: a kiwi great from the from way Nui Marta. A

727
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: fellow called John Lomax, Johnny Lovacs came into the Canbra

728
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 1: side when Lazo went to Brisbane. Oh my god, mate,

729
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: he he.

730
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: And he and he and Quentin Pongier was scary tough.

731
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: I could have picked do the raw.

732
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm going to lean towards Johnny given the

733
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: fact that he could play more upfront than in the

734
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: back row.

735
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 2: And I've got a lot of back rowers there.

736
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 3: Okay, coach, are we doing the coach? Do you do

737
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: your pick as well?

738
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: I'll let you go first.

739
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm going to get I'm going to go

740
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 3: probably the only bloke on earth who could somehow be

741
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: able to rain in a side that has Joey Sam Burgess,

742
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: I mean and the rest Freddy not Smithy Smithy. Smithy

743
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 3: looks after himself. But Craig Bellamy, I'm going to go

744
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 3: Craig Bellamy. He's gives you, gives those party boys just

745
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: enough rope to keep them, keep them satisfied with having

746
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 3: a beer or two, but also make sure they're all

747
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: working extremely hard and make sure all their egos are

748
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: in check.

749
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: So one of the greatest coaches of all time. I'm

750
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 2: going to go for a guy.

751
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: If you look at this side, it's tough guys. I

752
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: think you need to get respect from guys like Noel

753
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: Kelly and Ray Price and so on and so forth.

754
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to pick a guy that was as feared

755
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: as guys like Noel. He coached me at Newcastle. He

756
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: was one of the greatest winners of all time. He

757
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: taught us at Newcastle. He took us from being just

758
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: young boys two men and win the Grand Final Class Act.

759
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: Malcolm Riley. Oh yeah, and history does not judge well,

760
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: history does not give him credit for the great coach

761
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 1: that he was greatest coach that I ever had by far.

762
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: By a long way. Yeah. Well, coops, do you want

763
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: to recap?

764
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: You go through your song now our recap mine to

765
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 3: start with starting at number one, Billy Slater on the wing,

766
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: Semiad Rajah and Israel Flau, My Senners from the Camper Raiders,

767
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 3: Malma Inger and Lourie Daily in the halfs, Wally Lewis

768
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 3: and Andrew Johns, fran Petro sivin receiver and Shane Webke

769
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 3: at the hooking position. Cameron Smith in the back row,

770
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: Boyd Cordner, Sunny Bill Williams and your.

771
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: Lock Sam Burgess missed your calling.

772
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 4: I know my bench, Freddie Fiddler Fiddler, Bradley Clyde, Ruben

773
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 4: Wiki and Paul the Chief Harrigan coached by that tennis

774
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 4: player that you say he looks like Craig Bellamy.

775
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yeah, that's my side if you go yours, Okay.

776
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: My side is this Clive Church, the Little Master at

777
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 1: fullbacks on the wing, Brian Toto and the Great Brian

778
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: Bevan in the centers, Greg Inglis g I and Steve

779
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: Rodgers at five eighth, Brett Kenny at halfback, Nathan Cleary

780
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: at Lockmster perpetual motion, Ray Price the back row, the

781
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: great Gavin Miller and the incredible Norm Proven and Captain.

782
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 1: My hooker is Noel Kelly up front. I have Arthur

783
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: Beatson and Glenn Lazarus, and my bench is Ronnie Coote,

784
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: Johnny Lomax, Bob Fulton and Gene Miles.

785
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: And your Church by Malcolm Riley. Wow, two good sides.

786
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: I know who would win in a bar fight.

787
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 3: You're just listening to read it, But unfortunately the game

788
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: of Raby League is in a bar fight. It's about skill,

789
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 3: it's about tactics, and it's about playing the greatest.

790
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: Game of all.

791
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: Well Keeper, I enjoyed that. Urge people to have their

792
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: opinions on it. Firstly, tell us who do you think

793
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: what team would win? And you put forward your side.

794
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, if we missed anyone, let us know if

795
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: you hate our sides, let us know if you hate

796
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: either of.

797
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: Us, let us know anyway, Jack, good luck, Cat and

798
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: Mell lad up mate, these guys