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Speaker 1: I said the name Julie Newmar, if you were a

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about all of that and how she got started.

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Speaker 1: She is on the line from California. Julie Newmar, Welcome

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Speaker 2: Well, good game mate, Who is that marculous? If my

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Speaker 1: It's okay? That was that was certainly possible. Have you

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Speaker 2: No, I'm coming are yeah? Oh yeah, yeah, you get

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Speaker 2: my email in my next life.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about that. You're coming here with your next life.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to have two little girls. All right, that's

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Speaker 2: kind of jumping far forward. It is.

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Speaker 1: It is a little bit. Let's go far back, Julie.

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Speaker 1: And you started off learning the piano, you learned dancing,

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Speaker 2: Oh definitely, and I even I got old of two

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Speaker 2: So by studying the cats, yes, well, they have their

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Speaker 2: Oh, they have you. That's the way it goes.

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Speaker 1: You started off in musical and dancing movies. You've danced

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Speaker 2: To Freda Stare. After I did a film called Seven

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Speaker 1: You're five eleven. How do you make yourself shorter?

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Speaker 2: Oh it's easy. You just smile a lot, and then

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Speaker 2: The movie's so hot because I have to wear high heels,

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Speaker 2: They're not so much fun? I mean, life is a

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's the favorite garden here in Los Angeles for

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Speaker 1: Well, I see you provide housing for people for social needs,

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Speaker 2: Matthew, you hit it right on the head. Everything that

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Speaker 1: Good on you, Julie, thank you, Matthew, thank you, thank

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Speaker 1: you for your time. Julie Numa And look, we do

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