WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 5 February 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:00.440 Lately. 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:05.000 Welcome to the Late Plain. 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:07.840 Well, good evening and thanks for your company. 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:10.799 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Staorra and Caleb Bond coming 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:11.480 up tonight. 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:13.040 One of the things I really like. 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:15.880 About Donald Trump is his ability to say what everyone 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:18.480 else is thinking but too afraid to say. We've got 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.759 a hilarious example of that from a press conference earlier 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:24.400 today will show you that. Plus when we look at 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:27.960 the papers, an interesting story from The Herald's Sun tomorrow 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:31.040 about how bureaucrats tried to hide the true cost of 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:35.880 Victorian infrastructure from voters. And Adam Bantt is making news 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:37.959 tomorrow accusing opponents of. 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:42.400 Renewable energy of risking lives. Of course, he's saying. 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:44.400 That we'll get to all of that shortly, but first 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.840 let's talk about my greatest nightmare, and that is I Kia. 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:52.160 I clear claim to be all about sustainability and confusing 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:56.880 us with their instructions putting flat packs together, but now 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:02.760 they're claiming their sustainability plans well simply unsustainable. The Swedish 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:06.480 furniture giant had committed to what they called zero net 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:08.480 zero emission deliveries. 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:12.560 That means effectively that they would go full electric with their. 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:16.679 Delivery vans and trucks, but having achieved sixty five percent 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:20.040 of their fleet as electric, they've decided to hit pause 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:24.360 on saving the planet. No more electric vehicles because there 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:29.080 simply aren't enough charging stations in Australia and there's not 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.479 enough government incentives by which I think they mean taxpayer 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:36.240 dollars to help them, as a private company, convert their 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:38.360 diesel vehicles to electric. 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:40.240 So we found something. 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.839 Even more difficult than putting together an IKEA flat pack, 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:47.320 and that's saving the planet. Like most big corporations, ike 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:49.400 if you go on their website, they have a whole 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:54.520 section dedicated to their commitment to climate action, to keeping 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.480 the temperature from rising more than one point five degrees because, 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:01.400 as everybody knows, there's a climate crisis, a climate emergency. 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:03.760 We've got global boiling. 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:05.640 And they are very committed to it as long as 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:09.600 the taxpayer dollars keep flowing. But until there's some more 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.600 government incentives, well we're just going to have to put 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.760 up with a little more global boiling because IKEA say they. 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.400 Can't do any more. You know. 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.600 The irony, of course, Caleb, is that Ikea in Australia 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.480 made fifty three million dollars profit last year. 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:26.680 Globally they made over a billion dollars. 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:29.639 So you would think, if we're really in a climate crisis, 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.799 if global boiling is a thing, they might dip into 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:35.480 their own pocket a little more to save the planet. 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.880 But apparently saving the planet is only worth doing if 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.120 someone else is paying for it. 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:43.800 Oh, indeed, it's always the case. Heck, why would I 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.680 pay for anything? That's just not the way the world works. 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:50.000 Surely we know that by now. But let's be serious here. 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:54.560 If you truly believe in sustainability, don't buy your furniture 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:55.680 at Ikea. 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.320 Like if you think the difference is that it's being. 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:03.600 Delivered on a van that is powered by coal indirectly 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:07.520 in the form of electricity instead of by diesel, that 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:11.120 you're somehow saving the planet. You're living on another planet. 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.840 You've already migrated to, that one that we're all apparently 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.600 going to have to go to once this one starts burning. 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:20.960 If you truly believe in sustainability like I do. I mean, 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:25.799 I call myself a proper conservative in the sense if I 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:29.720 want to conserve the planet, I buy secondhand, go to auction, 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:35.720 wonderful antique pieces that can be bought for very good 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:39.320 money similar to what you'll be paying in Ikea, that 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:43.120 will last forever, and have already lasted forever. 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.360 You've seen my place before? Is have you been around 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:46.960 to my place? 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:48.960 I had an invite to you. You need to have 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:49.760 an old place. 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:51.920 Not that new, and you must come around and check 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.240 out the great view I have of Sydney Harbor. But 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:58.480 you've seen the furniture I have, and most of it 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.880 either comes from Facebook, mark place or auction, and it's 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.760 stuff that's decades old, some of it one hundred years old, 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:06.560 and it will continue to last. 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.160 It's already been made. 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.160 If you're going down to Ikea and buying this furniture, 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:13.640 that's required a tree to be lopped somewhere on the 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:15.760 other side of the world, and then they've had to 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:17.839 go to a factory and put all this stuff together 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.839 on the other side of the world, spewing all these emissions. 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:21.360 Out while they're doing it. 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:23.559 Then they put it on a plane or a boat 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:25.400 from the other side of the world and sent it 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:27.919 to Australia and you reckon it's. 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:29.160 The then that they bring it to. 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.440 Your house in that's going to make the difference. I've 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.720 put the Sydney Harbor Bridge to sell. You start buying 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:38.520 secondhand if you really care about sustainability. 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.760 This is nothing but window dressing from a company like that. 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:46.920 Beautiful stuff, not the mass producer. Yes, exactly, you get 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.760 at Ikea. It is beautiful stuff. He got me onto 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.719 the auctioneers here in Sydney and it has ruined my 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.159 life in the best way. Before I was just a 0:04:56.200 --> 0:05:01.360 Facebook marketplace fiend loved it. Everything's secondhand. All these people 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.200 who are like selling off their grandma's this or their 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.800 great It is incredible because a lot of the time 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:12.240 the younger generation do not appreciate what their ancestors has 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.360 left them and are selling it for a song on 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:18.680 Facebook marketplace. It's absolutely well if you're me, it's the 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.520 best thing ever. But you didn't even mention all the 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:26.440 cardboard they wrap everything product in. Can you imagine how 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:31.800 many trees die per year just to facilitate ike is 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:37.080 boxing every piece of the couch you buy, every clothes Era, 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:42.039 every single thing they buy comes wrapped in cardboard. But 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.640 I got to say this seems straight out of the 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:51.320 government playbook. You make an announcement, you get the photo. Ops, 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:54.800 it's a massive announcement, and you get the applause. Now 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:59.640 this part is key, and then years later, just amongst yourselves, 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:01.720 you kind I'm like, yeah, so that's that's going. 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:02.320 To work, is it? 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.599 Yeah? But hey, we got the applause. That's the main thing. 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:10.800 People remember that bit, and nobody really needs to know 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:12.880 about this. I mean, they'd be shocked to know that 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:16.320 we're discussing it tonight. Someone picked up on it and 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.359 put it out there, probably also as a condemnation of 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:22.320 the fact that if we in Australia as a nation 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:27.360 do not have enough charges to service their fleet, how 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:31.000 the hell are they supposed to service an entire nation? 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:32.080 Simple math. 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:33.720 Well, the other problem, of course is when they're doing 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.960 deliveries in the inner city, then an electric vehicle it's easy, 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:40.480 but a lot of their deliveries are outside of metropolitan areas. 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:41.400 And then there's no charges. 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:43.520 Just quickly before we move on Calebs, thinking about second 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.520 hand furniture, I've actually got a secondhand piece of Ikea 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:48.839 that I can tell you because I was putting it 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.240 together last week and I had one job just to 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.720 drill in one screw and I drew it in crooked 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.359 and that kind of thing. So if you want to 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.120 buy a seconds I could find one. 0:06:59.000 --> 0:06:59.240 Don't you. 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:01.680 No, I don't need a secondhand disc was I have 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:06.119 a lovely Australian made partner's desk. You see Australian wood 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.920 made right here in Sydney. But you have to wonder, 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.320 because of course I hear all this flatback stuff you've 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.360 got to put together. Is that how Donald Trump is 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.480 going to reconstruct Gaza? Now look, I'm not going to 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:21.080 go into massive detail here because you must have been 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.760 living under a rock if you've not heard the news 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:27.640 today that Donald Trump announced while he had Benjamin Nitt Yahoo, 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:31.160 the Israeli Prime Minister with him at the White House, 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:34.080 that he was somehow going to take control of Gaza. 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.640 He was going to own Gaza and rebuild it. We 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.119 can get into the details of that later, but Tierry 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:41.000 was a deppressor. 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:45.600 Today, the US will take over the Gaza strip and 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.560 we will do a job whether too. We'll own it 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:52.800 and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:56.239 bombs and other weapons on the site. Level the site 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.960 and get rid of the destroyed buildings. Level it out 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:04.720 create an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:08.280 jobs and housing for the people of the area. 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:11.760 Ike is already applying for the contract. 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:14.400 He went on to say that other Middle Eastern nations 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:16.440 are actually on board with this proposal. 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.720 You have to learn from history. You can't keep doing 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:24.080 the same mistake over and over again. Gaza is a 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:28.040 hellhole right now. It was before the bombing started, frankly, 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:30.880 and we're going to give people a chance to live 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:35.880 in a beautiful community that's safe and secure. And I 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:40.280 think you're going to see tremendous at tremendous outflowing of support. 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:42.840 I can tell you I spoke to other leaders of 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:45.760 countries in the Middle East and they love the idea. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.280 They say, what really brings stability, and what we need 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:49.640 is stability. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.720 The riviera of the Middle East is what Trump says 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:57.680 he can deliver to Gaza. It seems a bit far fetched, 0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:59.920 but so is a lot of the stuff Trumps is. 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.520 Sometimes he manages to deliver and sometimes he doesn't. What 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.720 I don't think is in question here is the fact 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:09.480 that Hamas cannot continue to rule in Gaza if there 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:12.120 is to be any sort of peace in the Middle 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:16.319 East in that particular region of course, between Gaza and Israel. 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:20.679 The question is how exactly you manage to move Hamas on. 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:23.640 What Trump seems to be suggesting here is that in 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.719 some way the US takes control of the land, they 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:31.120 disperse people, and they rebuild it. Benjamin Ettnya who spoke 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.920 about the fact that we cannot continue to have Hamas 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.040 there today, We. 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:40.120 Can't leave Hamas there because Hamas will continue the battle 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.920 to destroy as well. They'll do it. You know, when 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:46.360 the stemporary cease fire, one of their leaders comes out. 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.880 You know what he says, We're going to do October 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:55.480 seventh again, except we'll do it bigger. So obviously you 0:09:55.520 --> 0:10:00.400 can't talk about peace, neither with Kamas or in the 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:05.079 add least if this not toxic, a murderous organization is 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:08.720 left standing anymore that you could make peace in Europe 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:12.720 after World War Two if the Nazi regime was left standing, 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.599 in the Nazi army was left standing. You want a 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:18.040 different future, You've got to knock out the people who 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.000 want to destroy you and destroy peace. 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.319 That's what we're going to do now. 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:25.319 Look, my analysis is much the same as Paul Murray's 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:29.200 was just an hour ago. It's not going to happen. 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:33.040 Michael Shubridge explained exactly why with Chris Kenny earlier today. 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.280 So I don't think it's going to happen because two 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:42.040 million Palestinians aren't going to happily leave Gaza, and the 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.400 Arab states in Egypt are not going to welcome them in. 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:51.720 While Donald Trump turns the Gaza territory into some economic nirvana, well, 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:55.520 he's talking about America taking an ownership stake and ownership 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:59.720 position is the quote from him. And he's talking about 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:03.120 the Palestinians not wanting to be there anymore because it's 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:06.599 been destroyed, and being happy to be somewhere else, and 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.240 even hoped that the King of Jordan and the general 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:12.960 in Egypt would open their hearts and their lands to Palestinians. 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.600 That is not going to happen. None of the Arab 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:21.360 states nor Egypt welcomed Palestinians during this war. 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:22.960 They kept their borders closed. 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:25.880 And I think on that count he is right. 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.439 I mean, it is such a difficult idea that you're 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.679 going to get other Middle Eastern nations to take on 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.880 the Palestinian people so that the US can somehow come in. 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:35.720 And take the place. 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:39.200 Surely what Trump is playing at here is some kind 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.920 of bargaining chip. This is not a literal the US 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.000 is going to somehow take Gaza and rebuild it, because 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.560 it would take literally decades in order to achieve that, 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.880 and by some means, you would actually have to achieve 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:55.360 taking the land. And you're not just going to disperse 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.920 Palestinian people overnight and tell them that this land now 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.680 belongs to the US. You'd have to see troops in there. 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:03.920 You'd have to fight a war on the ground. And 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.120 something tells me Trump would avoid that if he could. 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.280 What do you think, Liz, Oh, you don't want to 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:12.800 share your thoughts. I thought this was absolutely I mean, 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:17.040 the only thing worse than watching I should say, the 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:22.200 only thing more entertaining than watching this ridiculous announcement today 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:28.240 was watching conservative commentators try to defend it. My ears 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:33.120 are still bleeding it when something like okay, okay, so 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:39.240 we're going to expel one point eight million gardens. We're 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.400 just going to force Jordan and Egypt to take them 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.320 because stuff their sovereignty as well. I mean, while we're 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.000 just grabbing a piece of land in the Middle East, 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.360 why not they can take them, and then we're just 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:55.360 going to do whatever they we want with the land. 0:12:56.640 --> 0:13:03.960 It literally sounds like the textbook definition of Ethlicnic cleansing 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:07.240 and territory. And they're just like, well, ignore that bit. 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:12.480 My question is why can't you just topple this evil 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:18.000 government a mass like you have toppled countless other governments, 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:23.280 most recently Sirious for the fifth time, like you always do. 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.320 Project timber Sycamore, funded by the US to the tune 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:30.480 of a billion dollars. It got rid of the Assad 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:34.720 regime because it had one objective, and that was to 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:39.760 fund an arm terrorists in Syria to get rid of 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:44.360 the government works like a charm. Again, why can't you 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.760 do the same with a mass. Why does this come 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:51.080 down to we literally have to empty the entire territory. 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.280 And when he was asked like, oh, well, how are 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:55.679 you going to get rid of the people and the 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:59.200 people who have left, can they come back? Trump belligerently 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.560 answered why would they want to come back? It's terrible 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.080 there now, he says, while he sits next to the 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:08.840 guy who's blown up sixty percent of the infrastructure, grinning 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:12.280 like a cheshire cat. Yeah, it's pretty bad. But these 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:16.200 people will not want to just be like, oh, yeah, okay, 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:20.680 build us some homes in Jordan or Egypt, and we'll 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.080 just clear out and let you guys have your way. 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:27.280 By the way, the reason why Jordan and Egypt haven't 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.480 taken these Palestinians in it's not for the reasons that 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:33.160 most people seem to insinuate, which is, oh, they're just 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:37.520 such terrible people, nobody wants them. No, these countries don't 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:41.120 want to do Israel's bidding. They're like, look, if you 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:44.760 want that area cleared out, we are not going to 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:49.200 help you take over the Gaza strip. You want it, 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:52.680 you can do it, but we're not doing your bidding. 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:58.720 Many of these countries already have massive swathes of refugees 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:03.280 from this conflict already, and they're absolutely not taking anymore 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:04.440 anymore than we would. 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:05.680 There's a couple of things with this. 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:09.680 Firstly, I would not put anything past Donald Trump when 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.600 people come out and say there's no way this will 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.320 ever happen. Well, people have been saying that about Donald 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.120 Trump's ideas for a long time now, and he keeps 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:18.680 proving everybody wrong. 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.960 By what means, By what means, I'm. 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:25.200 Just saying it's out an idea, and everyone says that 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:26.160 would never happen. 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.120 Trump keeps proving everybody wrong. 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:33.160 Insane, nothing's impossible. But that's what means. 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:34.280 Here's the second thing. 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:38.280 Gaza for the longest time has been a terrorist camp. 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.000 That's what it is, right on Israel's border. 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.040 So you would say the same of the entire att least. 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.920 Then no, Gaza is a terrorist camp. They have used 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:50.200 all the money they have pretty much to build terrorist infrastructure. 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:52.200 And then that's what we say about Lebanon. Then we 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.600 invade Lebanon. That's what we say about Caia, then we 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.440 invade Siria. Stay on point I'm talking about I'm staying 0:15:58.520 --> 0:15:58.920 on point. 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.920 Gaza has been you as a staging point to launch 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:06.160 attacks over and over again on Israel. So Netnya who 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.000 says we have got to get rid of Hamas, we 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.000 can't allow that, fair point. 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:11.200 Ye, So do a normal Thingia. 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:15.000 So then you asked who replaces hamas well? The moment 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:18.000 the Biden administration said, the Palestinian authority, who have never 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:21.600 condemned the October seven attacks, they also are committed to 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.920 the eradication of Israel. So you can't have Hamas, you 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.200 can't have the Palestinian authority. And the problem in the 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.200 Middle East is you get rid of Assad and you 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:31.479 end up with people who used to be part of Isis. 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.400 So wherever you replace you. 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:34.840 Can thank the CIA for that. 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.280 The point is Israel have got a problem. 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:40.360 They're just going to replace Hamas with another group who 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.520 are committed to their destruction. So there's got to be 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:46.520 a complete reset and trump ish it on something very important, 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.640 and that is that in the Palestinian people, you've got 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.720 the most highly radicalized group of people on the planet. 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:54.440 We've covered on this show. 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:59.120 From early primary school, they are taught that the greatest 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:02.160 honor in life to kill Jews and become a martyr 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:02.720 for Allah. 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:04.679 They are taught that in school, and it. 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:08.440 Is representation to say that they are the only people 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.680 on that side of the border who feel that way 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:12.240 about the people on the other side. 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.439 And yet the ceasefire was broken by the Palestinians, not 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.600 the Israelis. It was the Palestinians who invaded Israel, slaughter 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.280 twelve hundred people, took two hundred and fifty ostage and 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:22.880 to this day, let me finish my point. 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:24.800 So here's the here's the thing. 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:29.840 You can't rebuild Gaza on a radicalized population. 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.320 And is not ours to rebuild. 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:33.800 And expect a different result. 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.240 That is, of course, so that you are going to 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:40.760 disperse the Palestinians whereby you hope to dilute this wicked ideology, 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.000 so then you can rebuild Gaza with. 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:45.080 A different government. 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.119 It is unbelievable, and. 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.159 I understand the idea, of course, I understand the idea. 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.920 But the problem is, and this is why it will 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.920 never happen. And I'm sure it. 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:59.800 Won't leverage to convince Middle Eastern nations to. 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:04.480 Those but those people unless unless you literally wipe them 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:08.600 out one by one. This is a centuries on generations 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:12.160 long ancestral fight over this wreck. So you can disperse 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:15.240 those people to other countries. And you cannot tell me 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.040 that even after Trump or whoever it might be, because 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:18.960 it won't be Trump. 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:22.200 Rebuilding this thing if this ever happens, right, this is decades. 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:23.560 Event. 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:27.679 You cannot tell me that they will not at some 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.399 point try to come and take their land back, because 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:33.200 that is what the fight has always been about. Who 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.760 has the right to sit on that land. You can 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.959 move them elsewhere, but they're already radicalized. They are going 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:40.200 to come back for that sand. 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:43.560 You've got what people that the best bet is to 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:47.080 disperse them, not to build a new community for them. 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:48.200 Where they're all in the same place. 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:51.120 It makes sense, But you don't build anything for them. 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:54.239 You don't build anything for them. You dismantle hamas and 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.560 leave the land as it is. Let someone else rebuild it. 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:59.800 Well exactly, and what you're what, who's going to do it? 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:01.120 I'm talking about. 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.320 Staging point is the fact. 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:09.760 By making this announcement, Trump has eviscerated his base in 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:13.320 the US, I mean absolutely. That is why I notice 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:16.960 throughout all the months of campaigning there was no mention 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:23.400 of anything like this. They wanted an America first government 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:27.640 that has always been what Trump ran on. And people 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:31.679 hearing this announcement, the US taxpayers knowing, well, this sounds 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.640 more like an Israel first. Now you can think that's 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.359 a good thing, and God bless you. I can totally 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.680 understand where you're coming from. But the US taxpayer, who 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:45.240 has funded these cues in other countries for decades, have 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:49.719 had enough. And a project this extensive that would indeed 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:53.600 take decades to build the money it would take just 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:58.960 to empty out Gaza and rehouse two million Gazans elsewhere. 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.200 We are talking about bill upon billions of dollars before 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:06.720 you've even got started rebuilding a jolly scrap of anything. 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:11.000 They are not behind this. I'm telling you. I was 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:17.960 all over the socials today, even social media. American get 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.520 on X, yes it is and you argue your very 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:25.040 opposite during the Trump campaign. So this has knifed his 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:28.640 base in such a serious way. And it's not even 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:35.479 twenty four hours old. In America, first president, that's what 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:37.919 they thought they were getting in Donald Trump. And there 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:40.920 are a lot of people who are feeling incredibly betrayed 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:44.520 right now. And lastly, let's remember that yesterday this was 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:47.760 a conspiracy theory, that this was the end goal. This 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:51.000 was a complete conspiracy theory. So now you've got all 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:54.560 the people that you probably considered nut jobs tomorrow feeling 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:59.080 yesterday rather feeling very smug today because they're like, well, 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:01.840 we argue that this was the end goal all along. 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:05.439 And here you've got Trump getting up saying we're doing it. 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:08.720 Trump simply saying that Gaza has always been a refugee camp. 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:11.200 It's time for the refugees to find a home. 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.320 Age of Gaza. That's actually not true. 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.600 It's pretty true to talk about the FBI list not. 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:21.399 Okay, yeah, let's talk about the FBI. So staying in 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:24.840 the States now, Oh my goodness. When the Trump administration 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:28.960 said they were going to gut the FBI, gut the CIA, 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:31.840 they are going after the deep state. This is a 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:35.680 promise that President Trump is well and truly keeping. Their 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:39.000