Speaker 1: Growing up in that footy locker room, a lot of
Speaker 1: bandster happens, and the next minute you've got four daughters
Speaker 1: and a beautiful wife, and it just changes everything about everything.
Speaker 1: Even now, when I'm in rooms with other fellows or
Speaker 1: different places, I'll just walk out of the room or
Speaker 1: just try and rope me into the convo. That's not
Speaker 1: going to happen fo other. I've got three daughters this
Speaker 1: If you're OpEd them on my doorsteps, I'll be booting
Speaker 1: you off. To be honest, dude, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the heart of it. We would
Speaker 2: like to acknowledge the Gadigle people of the Eur nation,
Speaker 2: the traditional custodians of this land, and pay our respects
Speaker 2: to the elders, both past and present. My name is
Speaker 2: Cam Daddo.
Speaker 3: And I'm Elie Daddo.
Speaker 2: Are you doing, honey, I'm good. Which had the most
Speaker 2: inspiring chat?
Speaker 4: I know, I know it didn't go on long enough
Speaker 4: for me. I love these two and they're repeat offenders.
Speaker 3: They are.
Speaker 2: We spoke to them back in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4: Right, of course, we're talking about Mitch Tambo and his
Speaker 4: gorgeous wife Leilah, and we get into talking about all
Speaker 4: sorts of stuff with their with their kids and yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and they've got four daughters between them.
Speaker 2: I just loved Mitch talking about having to counsel his
Speaker 2: daughters through breakups and and teenage girls things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and tampon shopping and they're all on the same cycle.
Speaker 4: Like holy cow, that's a lot of hormones.
Speaker 2: In one in one house, right, Yeah, and some great
Speaker 2: there's a great skydiving story.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, sure. And talks about you know, what's it
Speaker 4: like being a refugee and raising children with that sort
Speaker 4: of trauma, and how she's she's overcome comes at constantly
Speaker 4: in her life and pushes through some things that are
Speaker 4: that are really powerful. They're an incredible couple. I mean,
Speaker 4: Mitch has been hailed as Australia's most distinctive First Nations entertained.
Speaker 4: And you've seen him live. You are lucky to see
Speaker 4: him live.
Speaker 2: I've seen him a couple of times now. Yeah, he's amazing.
Speaker 2: And I he didn't take offense, but he did. He
Speaker 2: was he had a pair of shades on. He was
Speaker 2: looking like very much like George Michael and he's heyday
Speaker 2: there he goes some whiskers and it's like, wow, you
Speaker 2: should do George Michael.
Speaker 3: Really I didn't see him. Is that I didn't get Maybe.
Speaker 2: It's the angle of the screen, but I mean George
Speaker 2: Michael playing ditch and doing that sort of throwing that
Speaker 2: into a George Michael song.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, if anyone could do it, Mitch could do it.
Speaker 1: I mean he did.
Speaker 4: You're the voice in his native language, and that was
Speaker 4: absolutely phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Now they've got.
Speaker 4: Yes, because Leila is a remarkable stinger. She's a proud
Speaker 4: West Papulin woman and of course the mother of four daughters.
Speaker 4: She's also a really passionate advocate for refugee women in Australia.
Speaker 4: And yeah, she's got this incredible voice and now joined
Speaker 4: forcesing Ireland Home.
Speaker 2: Yes. And actually this is going to sound really weird,
Speaker 2: but I did not realize the connection with the T
Speaker 2: shirt that I'm wearing today with there were rumpies. Island
Speaker 2: Home was the song of theirs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I said, I know.
Speaker 2: What I thought you were.
Speaker 1: I should not even admit that, but somewhere in.
Speaker 3: Your mind, yeah, somewhere in your mind, But but I know.
Speaker 2: The white guy and the Rumpies wrote Island Home.
Speaker 1: I just love the T shirt. That's so funny.
Speaker 2: And that's what Mitch said about synergy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of synergies happening in this chat today.
Speaker 1: We hope you enjoy it absolutely.
Speaker 4: You ready happy to be talking to you, Ali.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm here.
Speaker 1: I do things too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, we last spoke in twenty twenty one. A
Speaker 2: lot of water under the bridge. You've just given birth
Speaker 2: to your daughter, Phoenix.
Speaker 5: That's right, three years ago.
Speaker 6: I had her in my arms. Yes you did, yeah,
Speaker 6: in our garage.
Speaker 2: Okay, so she's three now. So look, just to get
Speaker 2: us up to speed again, many of our listeners have
Speaker 2: joined us recently, so for them, I'll give us a.
Speaker 3: Oh I was going to say, okay, here's a test
Speaker 3: for you. Give it. Give us a quick history of
Speaker 3: Mitch and Leile in under two minutes. Ohsticken, I shouldn't
Speaker 3: time you, but.
Speaker 1: Just okay, let's do it. Are you ready for this? Yeah? Okay.
Speaker 1: So we basically cross paths, and then once we crossed paths,
Speaker 1: we didn't stop crossing paths, and that led to I
Speaker 1: guess you'd call it dating, and then we ended up married.
Speaker 1: I threw Lelle out of a plane, got on one knee,
Speaker 1: got married, got locked down, I had Phoenix, and now
Speaker 1: we were just traveling, doing music and just doing life
Speaker 1: together and family and yeah, that's pretty much it. It
Speaker 1: was like a really that was a hectic summary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially when you threw her out of the plane
Speaker 4: that was slightly disconcerned.
Speaker 1: And you know what, Lela absolutely hates heights. And I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I'll take you down the coast.
Speaker 1: I want to. I got you a paddle board, so
Speaker 1: we'll go get a wet suit. And it was perfect.
Speaker 1: She fell asleep and then I hit the blinker and
Speaker 1: she woke up, and I'm like, we're actually going in here.
Speaker 1: And basically for the next thirty seconds, if.
Speaker 3: You see the video, there's a lot of beats.
Speaker 1: We're going skyd having you pumped, and yeah, it was
Speaker 1: all teed up.
Speaker 4: So you had someone like strapped like you were strapped
Speaker 4: to someone in the skyder.
Speaker 1: Yes, I just couldn't.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, no, it was so I will never
Speaker 6: ever do it again.
Speaker 1: And you're so vulnerable because, like you know, they opened
Speaker 1: up this big sliding door and all the winds gushing
Speaker 1: in and then one by one you're just watching people
Speaker 1: just disappear. And then they come come to me and
Speaker 1: they make you wrap your legs underneath the plane and
Speaker 1: lean back, so you're completely vulnerable. And I just looked
Speaker 1: petrified and the like smile and then I just turned
Speaker 1: on my camera face and I got booted out.
Speaker 4: I can't even do rollercoasters, so the idea of jumping
Speaker 4: from a plane is just beyond my fear.
Speaker 6: Fact well, there's actually yeah, I think you have to
Speaker 6: try it.
Speaker 1: Just really but truth, oh my gosh, we too.
Speaker 2: Really, I feel like.
Speaker 1: This is the time. So we did that and it
Speaker 1: was amazing, and you know, Lelo was real pumped. She
Speaker 1: wanted to go again. And anyway, about like maybe six
Speaker 1: months later, not even we come across this article that
Speaker 1: there was a tragic skydiving event and the man that
Speaker 1: passed away was actually the man that took Lello down.
Speaker 1: He put his body first and say yeah, person, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that was it.
Speaker 6: And I knew it was him because you know, it
Speaker 6: was such a huge moment in my life. I I'll
Speaker 6: never forget his face. So when I was scrolling through Instagram,
Speaker 6: I recognize his face immediately and yes, that's.
Speaker 2: Just thirty seconds ago you were telling Allison.
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, you should do it.
Speaker 3: Go Alison. I'm back pedaling now, got it.
Speaker 2: It must be weird sitting in an air because I'm
Speaker 2: sitting in an aeroplane and one moment someone's there and
Speaker 2: next thing you know, they're gone.
Speaker 4: It is so surreal, right, And I don't know if
Speaker 4: I'd want to go first or last.
Speaker 3: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's I was about the middle of the pack.
Speaker 3: Middle maybe middles probably the way to go.
Speaker 1: And you know what, like I was like all for it.
Speaker 1: I was so pal let's do it all, take me
Speaker 1: to New Zealand. But the thing is is that when you.
Speaker 5: That's where all the extreme stuff happened.
Speaker 1: I want to do it all. But when you do
Speaker 1: it and you want to propose, well, you have to
Speaker 1: get down fast and there's only one way down to
Speaker 1: get you quick and they spin you do you spin?
Speaker 1: You do these like circles and it gets you down fast.
Speaker 1: So you just see me just fighting to not you know,
Speaker 1: throw up, and we got to the bottom and gets
Speaker 1: let's do it again. I think I just need a minute.
Speaker 4: Could you imagine if the ring had flown out of
Speaker 4: your pocket as you're like plummeting to the air, the
Speaker 4: ring down there?
Speaker 5: Ready, Yes, it all up.
Speaker 1: I snuck off got them the ring. They had this
Speaker 1: big banner like will you marry me better? And I
Speaker 1: was on the one knee as lel. But it took
Speaker 1: it forever to notice because she was just loving life
Speaker 1: up there. Wow, you're nearly down and you can't you're
Speaker 1: not even looking at me yet.
Speaker 3: I'm not looking.
Speaker 5: He had to pat me on the shoulder and go, look,
Speaker 5: look down there. What does that say?
Speaker 6: Because I'm looking at the beautiful ocean because we're over
Speaker 6: the Great Ocean Road.
Speaker 3: Nice and yeah.
Speaker 5: I looked down. My thought, oh my gosh. You could
Speaker 5: just hear me screaming. I'm like all these crazy thoughts.
Speaker 1: In my mind.
Speaker 3: What am I wearing?
Speaker 6: What is there?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've just had my face blown off from like
Speaker 4: the wind.
Speaker 6: Fact it was so unattractive because you've seen those videos
Speaker 6: like your cheeks like the air and your cheeks and
Speaker 6: your face is all like mangled looking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's full on hay.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like I fully front slipped out of the plane. I'll
Speaker 1: never forget like front flipping and then actually seeing the
Speaker 1: plane above me. It was crazy.
Speaker 4: Cam's mum did it and she's unreal, like she's eighty.
Speaker 3: She did like about two or three years ago.
Speaker 4: But there's this photograph of her which is just it's
Speaker 4: brilliant and hilarious, and she's a very buxome woman.
Speaker 3: And so the boobs went up under her chin and
Speaker 3: the face was like stewage to the exture.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, imagine this grin, like beautiful teeth, Like I.
Speaker 3: Nearly couldn't breathe because the boobs recovery.
Speaker 2: She got punched up by her boobs.
Speaker 3: What a brave woman.
Speaker 2: So when you did that, Leal, you had you were
Speaker 2: a mother of three. You had three kids at that point, right,
Speaker 2: and so now you've got four. We talked about Phoenix.
Speaker 2: So you had Sophiana, Yes, yes, Opha yep. And is
Speaker 2: it kilany ki yes?
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you've got that. You've got to spread now,
Speaker 2: so nineteen to three, she's like, wow, So how are
Speaker 2: you managing that's a big spread? Yep, that's for four
Speaker 2: young ladies at very different stages of development. How are
Speaker 2: you managing that?
Speaker 3: Guys with really good shape, with nice.
Speaker 2: That's for me?
Speaker 1: Yes, I waste it. Let's do it.
Speaker 6: Honestly, we just take everything one day at a time
Speaker 6: and deal with the things, the conversations, literally one step
Speaker 6: at a time. I think any expectations that you have
Speaker 6: growing up, you have to throw that all out the window,
Speaker 6: you know, because in this day and age, they all
Speaker 6: they're all so different, you know, they're all girls, different needs.
Speaker 5: It's it's crazy and it's hectic.
Speaker 1: And it's real.
Speaker 2: It's real, very very very very real.
Speaker 3: They're all still at home, right, the nineteen year old
Speaker 3: is still with you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I mean we deal with like I mean, boyfriends, nappies,
Speaker 1: Barbie dolls, we do the.
Speaker 2: Life, the spectrums.
Speaker 1: We've got the whole spectrum. It's it's a very holistic household.
Speaker 3: Do you get help from the from the older ones,
Speaker 3: for the for the young, for the.
Speaker 6: Young, Absolutely, yeah, that's good. They are pretty amazing in
Speaker 6: that way. A lot of people think we're gammon, like
Speaker 6: we're not telling the truth when we say we can
Speaker 6: actually go out and the girls are looking after each other. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but they just have that really beautiful sister bond and
Speaker 6: love for each other. The older ones are quite responsible.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, like I think, Yeah, most people don't really
Speaker 1: believe it because they don't party, so they're just very
Speaker 1: responsible girls and they're just still in their thing and
Speaker 1: they're just in life and they've got their own sort
Speaker 1: of hobbies and purpose and just and chasing their own thing.
Speaker 1: But it's it's sort of completely different, I think from
Speaker 1: the way we grew up. It was kind of like
Speaker 1: when we grew up, you know, there was underage parties
Speaker 1: and you're getting ready to turn eighteen to just be
Speaker 1: out in the night life. But I feel like this
Speaker 1: generation there's there's a real mixed bag, and we're really
Speaker 1: blessed that they're not. They're not sort of down that track.
Speaker 1: They're just still in their thing. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: even in Covid Halo, it was like I was. If
Speaker 1: I was in covid as at their age at the time,
Speaker 1: I would not have picked up one textbook, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be honest. I would have just been on a basketball
Speaker 1: who bought on a bike or But they were like
Speaker 1: up all night playing Fortnite and then bang roll into
Speaker 1: their bed and they'd be doing school all day and
Speaker 1: just very responsible. It's crazy, how else this happened?
Speaker 5: How was not that kid?
Speaker 2: Yeah at all?
Speaker 1: Not growing up?
Speaker 2: Has that been? Yeah? The nineties the nineties we were
Speaker 2: married in the nineties, we were already supposedly when we
Speaker 2: were still growing up.
Speaker 1: Oh god, you're still growing up.
Speaker 2: We had a lot of learning to do. That happened, happening,
Speaker 2: still happening. That's true, was that the biggest surprise is
Speaker 2: that that sounds like a surprise to you when you
Speaker 2: talk about that, that that they are not into, you know,
Speaker 2: partying and stuff like that. Well, yeah, I know for
Speaker 2: such a broad age group too. What what's another surprise,
Speaker 2: What's something else that maybe that surprised you.
Speaker 1: I think it's all a bit of a surprise for me,
Speaker 1: to be honest, because you know, I grew up I
Speaker 1: guess heavily around other fellows. So I think a big
Speaker 1: surprise for me is being on the flip side of
Speaker 1: heartbreak as well. Those first heartbreaks you don't realize follows
Speaker 1: what we do, dah. It can be pretty real and raw,
Speaker 1: and it can be quite emotional for the whole household,
Speaker 1: to be honest, So being on that flip side as
Speaker 1: a as a father in the house, when things like
Speaker 1: that happens, it takes a massive toll.
Speaker 2: Through the whole house.
Speaker 1: It really ripples, you don't realize, And so that's been
Speaker 1: a massive.
Speaker 2: Point for me.
Speaker 4: How did you counsel your daughter when she was she
Speaker 4: had her heartbroken?
Speaker 2: Mitch?
Speaker 4: Was that something that you were able to give the
Speaker 4: male perspective and you know counsel her?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think Lela and I when we got together,
Speaker 1: I was very much about let's sort of ditch all
Speaker 1: the like taboo stuff and let's just get in there
Speaker 1: and talk and be real about things, because if we
Speaker 1: don't have those conversations, it will be someone else in
Speaker 1: you know, a locker room or at school that will
Speaker 1: be given the info that's probably just so left field.
Speaker 1: And you know, I remember as a young fellow not
Speaker 1: really having my dad around and being in the footy
Speaker 1: locker room. That's really where I took a lot of
Speaker 1: my education. And I look back now as a man,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, none of that, like ninety nine percent
Speaker 1: of it was not real or helpful. It just gave
Speaker 1: me like complexes a young man. So we just got
Speaker 1: him be real and I just I've sat there, you know,
Speaker 1: it had had some you know, let them weep and
Speaker 1: be sad, but really talk through it and be real
Speaker 1: about it and honest about it and raw about it
Speaker 1: and vulnerable in it, And I think the best sort
Speaker 1: of thing is is coming to that realization that as
Speaker 1: much as it is about us, you know, provide and discipline,
Speaker 1: at times, we're here to not be dictators, but just
Speaker 1: to help our kids navigate and help them navigate through
Speaker 1: their own choices and decisions and things that happen in life.
Speaker 1: So I think we're just still our best to do that,
Speaker 1: but really be in there and having the conversations that
Speaker 1: a lot of people, man, that's so awkward. How can
Speaker 1: you talk about that? And so well, it's a conversation
Speaker 1: if it's our duty is to like, let's just be
Speaker 1: open and really get in there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a lot easier for you than it is
Speaker 6: for me, though, I found that I had to do
Speaker 6: a lot of unlearning and kind of push through the cringe.
Speaker 2: What makes you cringe? What's the cringe?
Speaker 6: Oh, it's the I think I'm quite old school like
Speaker 6: cultural too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the.
Speaker 6: Cultural kind of element that I have to try and
Speaker 6: push through to meet my girls where they're at. Because
Speaker 6: of how I was raised, you know, we don't talk
Speaker 6: about anything, so having these conversations it can be quite
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, it's everything.
Speaker 5: Everything is new for me.
Speaker 6: I've had to I'm parenting the opposite way to how
Speaker 6: I was parenting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I'm like, for example, like I guess, like
Speaker 1: a really basic example would be, say one of the littlies,
Speaker 1: I want to just bust out and start dancing in
Speaker 1: coals and get crazy like Lela would be like, you know,
Speaker 1: because there's that thing of like, you know, being I guess,
Speaker 1: this thing inverted comms of being humble, being quiet, being
Speaker 1: like well behaved, not attracting it. That's really the one
Speaker 1: not attracting attention where I'd just be like, man, let
Speaker 1: it go, like she loves the song, like cut loose,
Speaker 1: just be you. You know. So there was a lot of,
Speaker 1: like I guess, for both of us, really just breaking
Speaker 1: breaking off parts of ourselves and stripping back onions on
Speaker 1: both sides like one hundred percent. And even for me too,
Speaker 1: I think again, like growing up in that footy locker room,
Speaker 1: a lot of bands happens, and the next minute you've got,
Speaker 1: you know, four daughters and a beautiful wife, and it
Speaker 1: just changes everything about everything. Even now when I'm in
Speaker 1: rooms with other fellows or different places, I'll just walk
Speaker 1: out of the room or just try and rope them
Speaker 1: into the convo. That's not going to happen fo other.
Speaker 1: I've got three daughters. If you're OpEd them on my doorsteps,
Speaker 1: I'll be booting you off. To be honest, dude, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, that's the exact man that we need.
Speaker 4: Actually, that's exactly the response that we hope men will do,
Speaker 4: because I think that's that's the biggest ally you can have,
Speaker 4: isn't it when like the man goes like, we can
Speaker 4: shout about it, but as women, but when the man goes, eh,
Speaker 4: not cool, not doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been in that situation, Mitch, and I've also
Speaker 2: been around other men who have said it as well,
Speaker 2: and it's gotten more and more and I'm really happy
Speaker 2: to say that that there's there's a much more of
Speaker 2: collusion in that positive way nowadays. It's coming slowly, slowly.
Speaker 2: Are you getting well?
Speaker 1: Do you?
Speaker 2: If you feel like you're getting better at it? And
Speaker 2: the more practiced you become is your heart the reticence
Speaker 2: push through.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 6: I'm actually starting to be really proud of the month
Speaker 6: that I am today. You know, I have a very open,
Speaker 6: open communication with all of my girls, all of our girls,
Speaker 6: and you know, Because of that, we're able to be
Speaker 6: there and just be supportive in every little, you know,
Speaker 6: decisions that they make. You know, they include us, they
Speaker 6: want our advice. I think going to your parents for
Speaker 6: advice at this age, I feel like that's really amazing.
Speaker 3: You're doing a lot of things, right, that's a huge
Speaker 3: green flag.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, And when their friends want to talk to you,
Speaker 6: you know, I think that's awesome too.
Speaker 4: How has it been watching Mitch create relationships with the
Speaker 4: three elder ones.
Speaker 6: It's been an absolute beautiful experience because well, for us,
Speaker 6: we're so lucky that that COVID happened. It was that
Speaker 6: really important time where Mitch and I, you know, it
Speaker 6: wasn't long after we got together and decided to move
Speaker 6: in together when we got locked down and he was just.
Speaker 5: Able to forge these really special.
Speaker 6: Relationships with each one of the girls. You know, we
Speaker 6: were stuck in a house together, nowhere to run, so
Speaker 6: we spent a lot of time really, you know, getting
Speaker 6: to know each other. The family dynamics, our family dynamics
Speaker 6: is pretty awesome considering and it's just been it has
Speaker 6: been a real joy to watch the relationships grow between
Speaker 6: Mitch and each of the girls. You know, they all
Speaker 6: have different titles for him. Our elder daughter Sophie pulled
Speaker 6: him aside a couple of years ago and asked him
Speaker 6: if he if it was okay for her to.
Speaker 5: Call him dad.
Speaker 2: She instigated that.
Speaker 6: The eldest daughter. Wow, yeah, so that was that was
Speaker 6: a huge surprise.
Speaker 5: And blessing.
Speaker 6: And then you know, with Offlere, she calls him Mitch,
Speaker 6: but she goes to him. They all go to him
Speaker 6: for things, you know, they actually would prefer to speak
Speaker 6: to him than.
Speaker 3: It's a different kind of thing.
Speaker 2: It's a different thing. It's maybe you know. Also, Mitch
Speaker 2: has got a masculine energy and he's looking very much
Speaker 2: like George Michael. I think I'm sitting there going vagued
Speaker 2: off for a second there, No, but he does. That's
Speaker 2: the truth. But let's get back to the proper point
Speaker 2: of it, you know. I mean, it's a different perspective,
Speaker 2: and and uh, that makes sense to me that they
Speaker 2: would go to Mitch for some things, you know.
Speaker 1: But I have to say, you know, it's beautiful and
Speaker 1: thanks Lether for sitting back there and big up in me.
Speaker 1: But that all transpired only through Lele's unwavering belief in me.
Speaker 1: Because I didn't just walk in like you know, my
Speaker 1: my personality is if I'm in, I'm in. If I'm not,
Speaker 1: I'm not. And that's for every decision in life. So
Speaker 1: as a young person, sometimes not the best, but you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm in, I'm in, and that's it. And my
Speaker 1: biggest single letter was like, okay, like, if you got
Speaker 1: three girls, can I do this? You know, I was absolutely,
Speaker 1: I guess petrified when I look back of the thought
Speaker 1: of failing or you know, I grew up with my
Speaker 1: dad not around. Am I going to be there? It
Speaker 1: doesn't work out like what happens here. And Lela never
Speaker 1: doubted me once. She'd be like, I'd be like, what's
Speaker 1: wrong you Like, you don't have anything. She's like, no,
Speaker 1: I just feel it. You're gonna be great. And that
Speaker 1: was all that ever was. I'll be there freaking out. No,
Speaker 1: You're just going to be great. The girl's gonna love
Speaker 1: young and just said what do you mean? What about this?
Speaker 1: What about that? And next minute it's eight o'clock at
Speaker 1: night and you're running to seven eleven because everything shut
Speaker 1: and you've got to get some pads or something, and
Speaker 1: you're the one that's getting the text message. All these
Speaker 1: things have happened, and there you are. But it only
Speaker 1: comes honestly through Lela's unwavering belief that I'd be okay
Speaker 1: in it and that I would grow into it and
Speaker 1: it'd all work out.
Speaker 3: For some reason.
Speaker 4: One as a mum, you just know, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: I was just going to say, for some reason, I
Speaker 4: used to really love sending Cam out for tampons.
Speaker 3: It just delighted me. I just was like, text me
Speaker 3: what you need, honey. I'm like, oh yeah, here we go.
Speaker 2: And it was in America too, So you've got three.
Speaker 4: Get photographs of like do you want this saze? Do
Speaker 4: you want your FaceTime?
Speaker 1: Libra's on special?
Speaker 3: Are you all cycling together? If you start?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, trust me, I've got this.
Speaker 3: He knows before we do.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get chocolate and les. What do you mean?
Speaker 1: Like you's a p.
Speaker 3: Message market on the calendar? Time to do chocolate for?
Speaker 6: Or one of the girls, one of the older girls
Speaker 6: will come down cranking and he's like what already?
Speaker 5: It's like, it's only what it's only been like a week?
Speaker 3: Hang on, is this something else?
Speaker 1: Whom?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I know this, I know this attitude? Wow, what's going
Speaker 1: on why as I soon l they talk me through
Speaker 1: what educate me?
Speaker 4: Have you given advice to other families of step parenting
Speaker 4: and blended families? Have people sort of looked to you
Speaker 4: or asked your advice? So you've been able to help
Speaker 4: other families out?
Speaker 1: Not so much just I guess around the step side
Speaker 1: just in general. People have asked me questions, which is
Speaker 1: always not weird, but I always find it to be
Speaker 1: really you know, a big deal to answer those kinds
Speaker 1: of questions. But my biggest thing has been in this
Speaker 1: journey really seeing a lot of the stigma attached to
Speaker 1: step and how people treat you when you just fall
Speaker 1: under that title of step. You know. I've had interviews
Speaker 1: on the radio where they're like, oh, it's you're a
Speaker 1: stepparent and it's like National Foster Care a day tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Can you talk us through what it's like to be
Speaker 1: a stepparent? And I'm like, whoa foster gra? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: but like just the idea around that, and like even
Speaker 1: at home, like I said, the girls call me Dad, Mitch, Daddy, uncle, Dad.
Speaker 1: I've got four different labels, but to me they're just
Speaker 1: my daughters. I don't really see you know, and we're
Speaker 1: blessed as well to have a great relationship with the
Speaker 1: girls biological father too, and he totally just rocks and
Speaker 1: rides with my position in the house. And you know,
Speaker 1: something BIG's going down, I will just go out the front,
Speaker 1: we'll have a chat and we're all together sort of
Speaker 1: in it, which is a really beautiful thing because that
Speaker 1: was a big fear for me too. It is like,
Speaker 1: you know, you hear about the horror stories, you know,
Speaker 1: but we're really we're really blessed in that sense. But yeah,
Speaker 1: when people ask me about parenting and stuff kind of
Speaker 1: spins me. But I also try to answer with all
Speaker 1: my heart because they're big questions.
Speaker 4: It feels like, yeah, and as you say, you're so correct.
Speaker 4: We've had a few people, a few couples on the
Speaker 4: show that have had the blended families, and it's they
Speaker 4: always talk about the challenges, haven't they. And they've some
Speaker 4: have sought help from therapists even but you know, it's
Speaker 4: always been it's always been an incredibly beautiful experience for them.
Speaker 4: But it's comes with its challenges.
Speaker 1: Totally, and I think like it comes with understanding relationship.
Speaker 1: Like let's said before, everyone's different so like one of
Speaker 1: the girls could be inherently drawn to being, you know,
Speaker 1: Dad's girl. So me coming in is regardless going to
Speaker 1: be a little bit turbulent because I need to know
Speaker 1: if I can trust you and if you're going to
Speaker 1: respect that my dad is my dad.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Others can be more like, I just love you and
Speaker 1: you're another dad and let's just rock and roll. Others
Speaker 1: could be like, man, we've just come out of a
Speaker 1: hectic domestic relationship. Are you going to put us back through?
Speaker 1: Like there's so many things to navigate. But I think
Speaker 1: the thing that I had to keep coming back to
Speaker 1: is that I'm not the kid anymore whose dad lives
Speaker 1: four or five hours away. I'm the man and the
Speaker 1: adult in this situation. So I have to continually get
Speaker 1: a hold of me and get a hold of my
Speaker 1: own trauma and let it go and go No, you're
Speaker 1: you're the adult now. So if there's if there's a
Speaker 1: bit of resistance or something has happened, it's not because
Speaker 1: I'm a jerk or I'm not liked or I'm I'm
Speaker 1: It's because that there's a little person in front of
Speaker 1: you that's having a bad day or something's going on.
Speaker 1: But I had to get control of my own insecurity
Speaker 1: and probably my own trauma and how certain things played
Speaker 1: out for me growing up and realizing, no, dud, you're
Speaker 1: actually the adult in here. So yeah, you got to
Speaker 1: get a grip of this, because it's not I'm my mom,
Speaker 1: im I'm it's you're you're in control or in a
Speaker 1: position to really influence someone and make someone feel safe
Speaker 1: and know that they're loved and it's all good.
Speaker 2: That's a really wise thing to say. And it took
Speaker 2: a therapist to help me to understand that, you know,
Speaker 2: to let the wounded little boy go and step into
Speaker 2: being the adult man. And it took a long time
Speaker 2: for that to hit yes in my brain. How did
Speaker 2: you come to that wisdom?
Speaker 1: Wisdom?
Speaker 2: I mean, it is wisdom, though it is it's a
Speaker 2: very help I mean, it's a kind action that you're
Speaker 2: showing your kids, and it's a very grown up, wise
Speaker 2: way to be.
Speaker 1: I think that I've been on a pursuit of healing
Speaker 1: for quite a while, but there was this beautiful turning point.
Speaker 1: I guess that comes to mind, so i'ld start there,
Speaker 1: and that was It was my birthday one year and
Speaker 1: Lela rocked up at home and she put rufras on
Speaker 1: our little Toyota Corolla. I was like okay, and she
Speaker 1: looked at me and she goes, Oh, you need to
Speaker 1: pull your dad's surfboard out and you need to go
Speaker 1: for a surf connect with your dad. And in that moment,
Speaker 1: in the space of like two hours, I fought through
Speaker 1: so many emotions that I had to realize and go,
Speaker 1: this is grief. And it was like, Oh, it's going
Speaker 1: to be too much of a headache to get the
Speaker 1: board down there. You know, it's going to be about
Speaker 1: the kids. Oh it's just too hot. Oh I have
Speaker 1: to go and get straps for the roof racks. And
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, you're doing everything to not confront
Speaker 1: your grief and just get on the board. I have
Speaker 1: to do it. So we took the board, went out
Speaker 1: in the ocean. I was just like, Wow, I have
Speaker 1: to really nourish my like five six seven eight, nineteen
Speaker 1: eleven year old self. I need to go surfing again.
Speaker 1: And I started to like just chase the things that
Speaker 1: that version of me really wanted, Like I never had
Speaker 1: my own surfboard before. I always had to borrow dads
Speaker 1: because I was always the kid from the bush that
Speaker 1: would go over there and have to meet his dad
Speaker 1: again for the first time. It felt like feel accepted
Speaker 1: by his stepbrothers. And you know, I was a chunkier kid.
Speaker 1: They're all it had to get through all these insecurities.
Speaker 1: But I always had this thing. I wanted a surfboard,
Speaker 1: and Leather was like, just go and buy a surfboard.
Speaker 1: Get your own surfboard. So I went and bought the surfboard.
Speaker 1: And I started on this journey and started to read
Speaker 1: a couple of books like how to Do the Work
Speaker 1: was like a ten dollar book in Kmart, and it
Speaker 1: was all about self reflecting and understanding how you'd been
Speaker 1: parented and what you went through and identify and how
Speaker 1: that's kind of determined a lot of your decision making
Speaker 1: and how you think today. And then I started to
Speaker 1: really look at like transgenerational trauma and the things that
Speaker 1: are inherently just you know, brought down the line, and
Speaker 1: how that can be pushed on. And I said to her,
Speaker 1: I've got to do everything I can to not pass
Speaker 1: on my business to the kids, you know, because whether
Speaker 1: it's blood or not. You know, I've been with Clini
Speaker 1: since she was too, so inherently she's going to take
Speaker 1: on parts of my traits, whether we're blood or not,
Speaker 1: because I'm with her like ninety nine percent of the time.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to pass on all these things.
Speaker 1: So I had to really start looking at myself and
Speaker 1: that hasn't finished. It continues to today, to the food
Speaker 1: I consume, to you know, the personal in the house,
Speaker 1: to who I am on the stage, and just trying
Speaker 1: to really make sure I guess everything's authentic. You know,
Speaker 1: even with my team and stuff, I'll be like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing those roles. I don't want to. I
Speaker 1: don't want my girls to see me kiss another actress.
Speaker 1: It's not not my thing. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: someone different on a screen to who I am at home,
Speaker 1: And that's just been my preference. I don't judge anyone
Speaker 1: for it, like you do it, you got to do.
Speaker 1: It's just me. I always want it to be like, nah,
Speaker 1: he's just the same as he's at home. He's just
Speaker 1: more animated on the stage. But I don't want them
Speaker 1: to ever feel like like, oh, who is that? So
Speaker 1: I've just kind of been on this weird, crazy little
Speaker 1: journey of healing I guess, yeah, beautifully beautifully.
Speaker 3: Put for you.
Speaker 4: You know, your experience of being a refugee has that
Speaker 4: Do you think that's influenced the way you parent? Oh?
Speaker 6: One, absolutely, And that would be because of how I
Speaker 6: was parented, moving here, living in exile, being born in exile.
Speaker 6: In hindsight now I can see that I was parented
Speaker 6: by parents who were just absolutely fearful, you know, always
Speaker 6: feeling like we didn't belong, always feeling out of place.
Speaker 6: Every decision that I've made that I make for myself
Speaker 6: and for my family is really well thought out for me,
Speaker 6: because everything in my body wants to do the opposite thing,
Speaker 6: if that makes sense. So yeah, there's a lot of
Speaker 6: but I think for me personally, I have a very
Speaker 6: strong faith in God. Yeah, and so that is what
Speaker 6: gives me the encouragement, the bravery to just keep pushing
Speaker 6: forward because knowing what my parents had to go through
Speaker 6: and how they their life up until my dad passed away,
Speaker 6: I just don't want to repeat that for my children.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And sometimes that takes a lot of energy, doesn't it.
Speaker 6: Absolutely a lot of energy, a lot of you know,
Speaker 6: there's a lot of grief in that as well. It's
Speaker 6: you know, even though as a child I had the
Speaker 6: most amazing childhood, I remember always being happy around my
Speaker 6: family and my community for how this world is now,
Speaker 6: how crazy it is and how you know, it's so
Speaker 6: hard to let your kids, especially living in Melbourne in
Speaker 6: a big city, coming from Canberra, there's even a lot
Speaker 6: of like pushing through your own fears of like letting
Speaker 6: your kid go on a train, you know, Just so
Speaker 6: those decision making things that you go through on the daily,
Speaker 6: you know, they're like little breakthroughs that you're that you're
Speaker 6: pushing through every day.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you you're a cultural blend? You to
Speaker 2: you come from very traditional backgrounds, different backgrounds as well.
Speaker 2: Have you have your career? Is there a family Is
Speaker 2: there a unified blended tradition that you guys do as
Speaker 2: a family now which brings the two together well.
Speaker 6: In our household, I think culture and faith are very
Speaker 6: very strong and they that's how it works together in
Speaker 6: our home and so we have a lot of family
Speaker 6: time together where we you know, share, but we're all
Speaker 6: and with that, we have elements of Mitch's culture and
Speaker 6: the kids have learned to love that as well and
Speaker 6: embrace that as their own. So that's been really beautiful
Speaker 6: when we if Mitch, you want to share about when
Speaker 6: we are smoking to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. So I mean, I guess to answer
Speaker 1: the question, it's there's not necessarily like a tradition. It's
Speaker 1: just we live and breathe culture every single day at
Speaker 1: our house. And like, you know, I'm not Tonguan sofie
Speaker 1: offen Klani their father's tongue, but I'll be in the
Speaker 1: house learning tongue in with kilany or you know, celebrating
Speaker 1: their culture. The girls aren't inherently Kouri, but they know
Speaker 1: all my songs in language. If it's like Nate oc
Speaker 1: Day or something going on at school, it's not like
Speaker 1: go and get the flag and walk out. They're naturally
Speaker 1: just chuck on a jersey or something and they'll just
Speaker 1: wear it and represent it. And like SOFTI the other
Speaker 1: week was talking about getting a tattoo and it was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I want to put this tongue and thing in there,
Speaker 1: this best puppul and I think I want to get
Speaker 1: this Aboriginal style art. And I was like, wow, you'd
Speaker 1: actually like put in elements of my culture on your
Speaker 1: skin forever. And it's it's not even like it's said
Speaker 1: in this big, big momentous speech of this is something special,
Speaker 1: It's just inherently there. It's like, you know, Lela's family
Speaker 1: are very god fearing people. But then if they pray
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll be like, oh, can you like to call
Speaker 1: them on and do a smoking ceremony, so like everything's
Speaker 1: just completely blended. They might sing it one of their
Speaker 1: songs in West Papua, job and Fall and how can
Speaker 1: we chuck some digch in there? You know, like it's
Speaker 1: just all there, just naturally. Yeah, it's just a big celebration,
Speaker 1: big melting pot.
Speaker 3: Beautiful.
Speaker 4: If there's one thing that you hope the kids learn
Speaker 4: from you and take into their own adulthood and when
Speaker 4: they become parents, what would you love that to be
Speaker 4: For me?
Speaker 1: I think it's just to hit things head on, to
Speaker 1: not be governed by fear and anxiety, but to just
Speaker 1: live a life of what if and hope and stepping
Speaker 1: into things and just being completely proud of who you
Speaker 1: are and where you come from, and just being bold
Speaker 1: enough to step out and who you want to be.
Speaker 1: I think that that would be really beautiful because it
Speaker 1: took me a lot to break the shackles of anxiety,
Speaker 1: and I guess fear off my life, and I realized that,
Speaker 1: you know, I was governed and shackled by a lot
Speaker 1: of things I went through as a young person. So
Speaker 1: I'd like to hope that the work Lether and I
Speaker 1: have put into ourselves as individuals and into our relationship
Speaker 1: breaks those shackles inherently and they can just walk and
Speaker 1: be what they need to be and be free in that.
Speaker 1: I mean, because even Lelly and I hear and lel
Speaker 1: speak before about her journey as a refugee, like even me,
Speaker 1: Mom and I, we did it tough. We had this
Speaker 1: crib we caught at the shack. It was like this
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty year old house still had horse
Speaker 1: here in the plast and just like fifty five degrees
Speaker 1: in the kitchen in summer, and you're putting up blankets
Speaker 1: as curtains to block off hallways to keep cool in
Speaker 1: just one little room. And you know, you get into
Speaker 1: this position where Lella and I are now, and I
Speaker 1: could be like, you know, go to JD Sports to
Speaker 1: buy some shoes, and I could sit there with le
Speaker 1: flat half an hour like trying to say why I
Speaker 1: shouldn't buy it. Because financially, I'm just scared, just scared
Speaker 1: to spend the money, Like, geez, what is tomorrow?
Speaker 2: Bring?
Speaker 1: Should we do it? Like and there? But are you serious?
Speaker 1: Like we're okay, but I'm like, it would take me
Speaker 1: so long to spend money because of the fear around that.
Speaker 1: So I hope that we can create something where the
Speaker 1: kids can just be free. Yeah about you Lether.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think for me, I would want the kids
Speaker 6: to just learn to get out of their own way,
Speaker 6: because that's my biggest that was my biggest roadblock was me,
Speaker 6: you know, being able to achieve things and just having
Speaker 6: all these excuses as to why I can't be this
Speaker 6: person to being on this stage or you know, speak
Speaker 6: at this event, or you know. I think getting out
Speaker 6: of your own way is a huge thing for me
Speaker 6: that I would not want the kids to.
Speaker 1: To hold on to.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and first and foremost though, knowing who they're knowing
Speaker 6: who they are. You know, I think you should be
Speaker 6: able to travel anywhere around in the world and adapt
Speaker 6: to any kind of community, and you can do that
Speaker 6: if you know deep in your heart and your soul
Speaker 6: and your spirit who you are. I think that would
Speaker 6: be the most important thing that I would want to
Speaker 6: pass on to my children is for them to be
Speaker 6: really strong in their identity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, beautiful.
Speaker 2: I think you're. I think you're You're setting a wonderful
Speaker 2: example to them by working together and creating together. You've
Speaker 2: got you've done a re recording of Island Home, which we.
Speaker 4: Just gone gangbusters right, Yeah, so beautiful.
Speaker 2: I pumped it in our house the other this is
Speaker 2: the song. I love it, such a beautiful version. And
Speaker 2: you got to say your performance at the at the
Speaker 2: Radio Awards last year was sensational.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: I was right up pushed up against the stage. There
Speaker 2: was just great.
Speaker 1: Were you in the mush pit between fits and whipper?
Speaker 2: I was moshed between fits and whipper and watching you
Speaker 2: up there on the stage, It's just sensational, so much energy.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: What's what's the dream for you two? Working together?
Speaker 3: Have you just done it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So? I mean when we first got together, we
Speaker 1: would just sit in the car and just speak for
Speaker 1: hours about what life could be like and what we
Speaker 1: could achieve together, and you know, the standard we could
Speaker 1: set for our family. And we just speak and speak
Speaker 1: and speak, and as we go it's just all unfolding.
Speaker 1: And it's all coming to be and I think there's
Speaker 1: something really beautiful about doing life together. And we found
Speaker 1: collectively so many people like, oh my god, Like you
Speaker 1: work with your wife, that must be so hard, Like
Speaker 1: you never have a break, and it's you know, like
Speaker 1: you get married for a reason, right, because you actually
Speaker 1: want to be with that person. But for us, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, to be doing it together collectively and individually
Speaker 1: and both supporting each other, it's just the best. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: And I've always said, you know, as my career is elevated,
Speaker 1: I've said to her, like it doesn't stop. We've got
Speaker 1: to work and we've got to get your music out
Speaker 1: there in your voice, because you've got such a beautiful
Speaker 1: story and journey and vision for all people. We've got
Speaker 1: to work hard to make sure both of us are
Speaker 1: doing our thing, and and here we are, and to
Speaker 1: have this song out together. It's really the icing on
Speaker 1: the cake because Lela's come with me everywhere overseas, different
Speaker 1: places to support me and do BVS. But now she's
Speaker 1: standing beside me on the stage and we're doing it
Speaker 1: together and there's something really special about that.
Speaker 3: Did the kids sing?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: They all see yeah, that's next.
Speaker 1: It's going to be it is next. Sofi has been
Speaker 1: on stage with us, she's done a few shows. Yeah, yeah, Kilaney,
Speaker 1: She's h she calls me uncle dad. She's like pumping
Speaker 1: herself up. Like weekly, she'll come up to me. She's like,
Speaker 1: uncle Dad, like care, I'm ready now, and I'm not
Speaker 1: ready for what. She's like, I think I'm ready to
Speaker 1: get on the stage. And it all kicked it off
Speaker 1: because I think she asked a question with one hundred
Speaker 1: percent surety. I was going to say, you're too young,
Speaker 1: you have to wait, to your sister's aid, and she
Speaker 1: was like, uncle Dad, I want to come on the
Speaker 1: stage too, And I said, awesome, you just let me
Speaker 1: know when you're ready, and I start chucking you on.
Speaker 1: She's like, huh, I said, what you can come chare
Speaker 1: with me. She's like, oh yeah, well, I think I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit thier. Have to think about it.
Speaker 5: And then she'll come back and she'll be up. I've
Speaker 5: thought about it.
Speaker 1: It takes a deep breath. I've had a big think
Speaker 1: about it, and I think I'm ready.
Speaker 5: I'm ready.
Speaker 1: And what happened at the most random times, What are
Speaker 1: you thinking about now? Just like, I think I'm ready
Speaker 1: to come on the stand.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think last time we spoke, you were talking
Speaker 2: a lot about risk, taking risks and being willing to
Speaker 2: take risks. And I'm you know, I'm sure it's about
Speaker 2: the sounds of it. That's that's where it's heading for
Speaker 2: those guys too.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Sure, Yeah, you've both of you just set such a
Speaker 4: beautiful example for all four of you girls. You know,
Speaker 4: they're seeing you exactly take risks, of seeing you be creative,
Speaker 4: being loving, being kind, being supportive. I mean the example
Speaker 4: that you're setting is it's it's really beautiful. And as
Speaker 4: you say, you know, just that just because culture is there,
Speaker 4: you know, having that to blend it into into the house,
Speaker 4: I think that's something that you know, in hindsight. For me,
Speaker 4: we weren't a religious family. We didn't have any celebrations,
Speaker 4: we didn't have any we didn't do a lot as
Speaker 4: growing up. It was just there weren't there weren't big
Speaker 4: things that we could look forward to or know that
Speaker 4: was a tradition and I always wanted that and I
Speaker 4: wanted that as a parent as well. And we just
Speaker 4: do little things like Big Mama's Breakfast on special occasions,
Speaker 4: but I think kids really hang their hat on traditions
Speaker 4: and things like that, and the fact you've brought that
Speaker 4: in so beautifully for your girls is really special.
Speaker 1: Thank you. And we're trying to create our own, like
Speaker 1: family traditions within that as well. So this last Christmas,
Speaker 1: we kicked off our first ever Christmas Olympics. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that was just absolutely insane. I'm talking like fifty minute
Speaker 1: fifty to sixty minute musical chairs like Battle to the
Speaker 1: Absolute Sunstroke. I love it, and that apple bobbing yeah,
Speaker 1: red heart racing making like it went on to the
Speaker 1: point where we just couldn't finish. Like normally when all
Speaker 1: the mob comes around, they're leaving at like two am
Speaker 1: in the morning. Everyone was gone about eight pm in
Speaker 1: bed see you later passing out on the couch.
Speaker 2: Was it was full of oh that's so cool, guys,
Speaker 2: will put you on the pulse, Will put you on
Speaker 2: the pulse. Keep your answers short. Yes, just a couple
Speaker 2: of questions. What do you miss when you're not together?
Speaker 2: Come on in here, she's sipping water.
Speaker 1: I know she's looking at me like you take the no,
Speaker 1: let's do it. You're on the pulse.
Speaker 5: What do we miss when we're not together each other.
Speaker 1: The chaos.
Speaker 3: What brings you joy?
Speaker 1: Living a life of purpose?
Speaker 5: My husband and family?
Speaker 1: What my purpose?
Speaker 2: What? What time would you like to revisit?
Speaker 1: Well, you go, Lily, you're on the pulse.
Speaker 5: I would have to say any time where my dad
Speaker 5: was still alive.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, there's this there's this memory
Speaker 1: I have and it's me and Dad sitting out the back,
Speaker 1: sitting on our surfboards and not always coming back to
Speaker 1: that feeling the piece.
Speaker 4: I'd go back there, both of you, connection to your
Speaker 4: Dad's very special. Last question one word.
Speaker 1: To describe each other unconditional.
Speaker 5: Magnificent.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Well, I'm going to buy you.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a good trip home.
Speaker 3: Again. Mitch. I have to say this to you as well.
Speaker 4: The last time we spoke to you, you said something
Speaker 4: that has stayed with me forever, and I've quoted you
Speaker 4: on it because I thought it was just so beautiful.
Speaker 4: You were talking about how you go to country when
Speaker 4: you're when you're you know, there's a bit of mental
Speaker 4: health or something, and you know, you go to country
Speaker 4: and you go for a swim and swim in a
Speaker 4: river or something, and you said you said Country's here
Speaker 4: for everyone. And you said to Cam and I You're like,
Speaker 4: if you're feeling low, just go to country, go lie
Speaker 4: on the on the grass, go under a tree, or
Speaker 4: and I just it was just this, really, I don't know,
Speaker 4: it was so simple, but it was so beautiful. And
Speaker 4: I think about that all the time now that it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm just going to go and get my mental health
Speaker 4: through nature. I mean, I've always found it that way anyway,
Speaker 4: but it was just coming from you.
Speaker 3: It just was really special.
Speaker 1: So thank you for saying, Ah, thank you for sharing
Speaker 1: that with me. I appreciate that. Yeah, I still stand
Speaker 1: by it too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no doubt you two are the best. Thank
Speaker 4: you for coming back. I just love your Instagram stuff
Speaker 4: that just if you're not following, love you guys to
Speaker 4: follow them both. They've got they're just kind, good people.
Speaker 3: Their music's unreal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 5: You're always supporting my stuff. Of course commenting and that
Speaker 5: means a lot for sure.
Speaker 3: Oh my pleasure.
Speaker 1: Where you at?
Speaker 2: Cam?
Speaker 1: I need you to hit my page now, I will.
Speaker 1: I mean, Ali's over there, I need you.
Speaker 4: Cam's not a big commenter, tho, you know, I'm like
Speaker 4: one there because I get really excited.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've actually didn't give me anything. Then it's
Speaker 1: just like.
Speaker 2: I will. I've been on a detox absolutely since since
Speaker 2: I got of December, been on a social media detox.
Speaker 2: But wait, March one will hit and it's guns amazing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I've actually just tried to turn off every
Speaker 1: single notification I possibly can. It's good.
Speaker 3: Good for a bit.
Speaker 1: It's really interesting because I feel like I'm like the
Speaker 1: last kind of generation that kicked out the street lights
Speaker 1: in the cult a sack. It's like, so I really
Speaker 1: struggle with like you can come up with to me
Speaker 1: with the camera and I'm all good with that, but
Speaker 1: to put it in selfie mode, yes, I really struggle
Speaker 1: me too.
Speaker 2: I'm having That's where I'm yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: And that's what it's all about these days in this industry.
Speaker 3: And it's like.
Speaker 2: Thing, I think it's absolutely am I am I because
Speaker 2: some people go just rubbing my face in it and
Speaker 2: other people go and I just want you to know
Speaker 2: because I want you to I want to share. I
Speaker 2: want to share what's going on and this is great,
Speaker 2: and you know, even if it's not great, you just
Speaker 2: want to share what's going on so totally.
Speaker 1: And I think as creatives, our whole sort of premises
Speaker 1: is we love connection and we love people and we
Speaker 1: love having that interaction. But there's just a real disconnect
Speaker 1: there where I've got to just put it in selfimode
Speaker 1: and connect that way struggle and it's like we actually
Speaker 1: we went I went Bush a month or something ago
Speaker 1: for like a week, and outside of not having Lela
Speaker 1: and the girls, I didn't really miss anything. I was
Speaker 1: like that if I had them with me. This is
Speaker 1: just something about stripping it back to nothing but fire
Speaker 1: and just connection with those in front of you. Something
Speaker 1: really special about that, And like we when you think
Speaker 1: about it now, with phones and stuff, even when you're
Speaker 1: at the dinner table, how often do you actually talk
Speaker 1: and spend time looking at in each other's eyegate and
Speaker 1: actually having a personal human connection. Like it's it's very
Speaker 1: scary in terms of where the most connect did have
Speaker 1: ever been, but also the most disconnected.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where's loss and had around there?
Speaker 1: Brother, come and comment cam, Let's go.
Speaker 2: Alright, guys, have a great day.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, you guys. Thank you. Love by