Speaker 1: Okay, team, it's you project Patrick's here and so is Tiffing.
Speaker 1: And that's bloody terrific because without them, oh okay, TIFFs
Speaker 1: are already yelling at me all right, why don't you
Speaker 1: yell at me straight off the top? Go on, tell
Speaker 1: me off?
Speaker 2: If you could just nudge yourself back off that microphone
Speaker 2: apps all the typs. If everyone's heard a difference in
Speaker 2: recent microphone.
Speaker 1: No, no, we don't need everyone to get on the hype.
Speaker 3: Crap on the mic listening to me, Well, it.
Speaker 1: Sounds great in my ears on this end. You used
Speaker 1: to remember, you used to yell at me six.
Speaker 2: Years or so to get you to put a set
Speaker 2: of head micro right.
Speaker 1: And it's never been worse, has it. It's never been
Speaker 1: worse since I put on the fucking headphones. So surely
Speaker 1: you can be objective about that.
Speaker 3: Make a suggestion, Tiff, Yes, please pray go turn turn
Speaker 3: your headphone volume up.
Speaker 1: I can already hear me very loudly.
Speaker 3: I know that if you turn it up a little
Speaker 3: bit more, just nudge it up a little bit more, because.
Speaker 1: I just say, this is not the time is right
Speaker 1: now in the mid I don't know if you have
Speaker 1: any awareness but now it's not the time for this chat.
Speaker 3: Well this might be interesting for people. So if you're running,
Speaker 3: if you're or not.
Speaker 1: Or not you're doing it, perhaps on this one. Okay,
Speaker 1: I won't explain this. Yeah, let's let's not have this conversation. Hello, everyone,
Speaker 1: welcome to the project. We hope you're good. It's Friday
Speaker 1: morning here at typ Central. Patrick is up in blan Or,
Speaker 1: I call it milan Lan and TIFFs over there at
Speaker 1: her palace somewhere near the Beachwood. Thank you ourwood with
Speaker 1: the cat and the dog. Who are the actual bosses
Speaker 1: of the home. We start with the lady of the show, Patrick,
Speaker 1: how are you hey? What's going on up there? I've
Speaker 1: had a.
Speaker 3: Pretty hectic day, but I'm feeling like I've achieved something
Speaker 3: because you can teach an old.
Speaker 1: Dog new tricks.
Speaker 3: Go on, Well, I've got I'm house sitting with not
Speaker 3: house sitting, I'm dog sitting a little ten year old
Speaker 3: cross Schneutzer poodle and her name is Schnitzel. She's as
Speaker 3: I said, she's ten and she's never used a dog door,
Speaker 3: and I've taught her to use a dog door. So
Speaker 3: I feeling like I've achieved.
Speaker 1: Did you do that by demonstrating and crawling through yourself
Speaker 1: going follow me, follow me. No, I just locked it
Speaker 1: out of the house all night, and I'm kidding I didn't.
Speaker 1: Did you strap some bacon to your ars and say
Speaker 1: get behind me and then just crawl through the door.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: I just gently held the flap up a little bit.
Speaker 3: Fritz went through first, and then she kind of nudged it,
Speaker 3: and then I got used to it, and then she
Speaker 3: got used to using it with her nose.
Speaker 1: So many things. Well well done, well done, Tiff diff
Speaker 1: was onto it. I was onto it. You just kept
Speaker 1: plugging on. If we're glad, aren't we? We're so glad because,
Speaker 1: oh god, if we could just say whatever we wanted
Speaker 1: to say, eighty percent of the audience would be fucking
Speaker 1: on the floor of twenty percent. Right that, I'm out,
Speaker 1: I'm never listening again. Well that's good, mate. You could
Speaker 1: become a You could get a unique kind of job
Speaker 1: description as I trained dogs that are old and untrainable. Yep,
Speaker 1: that's the one with the Banello method. TIF. How are
Speaker 1: you very good? Thanks with your shock of with your
Speaker 1: shock of red hair, looking like Pippy long Stocking over
Speaker 1: there at typ Central.
Speaker 2: That was one of my favorite movies when I was
Speaker 2: a kid.
Speaker 1: You kind of look like she would look when she's thirty.
Speaker 1: It's going to say, forty, what am I thinking? You
Speaker 1: look like a grown up Pippy Longstocking? Patrick? Do you
Speaker 1: not know who that is? Oh? Idea? Oh god? What
Speaker 1: kind of childhood did you have looking into Petrie dishes
Speaker 1: and fucking magnifying bloody insects and bugs and shit. But
Speaker 1: I do know, I do know what.
Speaker 3: The Hindenburg was great, that's true.
Speaker 1: Well Tiff didn't. All right, Tiff, you can now enlighten
Speaker 1: Patrick as to the identity of Pippy long Stocking. I can't.
Speaker 2: All I can remember is she wore those scrub and
Speaker 2: brushes on her feet to clean house, and she had
Speaker 2: a be horse and I feel like she put it
Speaker 2: on a boat or something.
Speaker 1: God, that was hardly your own mind. I feel like
Speaker 1: if anyone on this show is going to know about
Speaker 1: Pippi Longstocking, it's either going to be you or Patrick,
Speaker 1: and it ain't him. All I remember she was a
Speaker 1: central character in her childhood story. But that's about anyway.
Speaker 1: We probably don't. There's do you know what? There's a
Speaker 1: thousand listeners going you, dumb fox. I'll tell you exactly
Speaker 1: who she is. Get me on the show. Get me
Speaker 1: on the show. How's your week been, Patrick, It's been well.
Speaker 3: I had a bit of a bug at the start
Speaker 3: of the week, so I've got to say I was
Speaker 3: kind of working, but I reckon I was running at
Speaker 3: about forty five percent capacity.
Speaker 1: So I'm feeling a lot better today.
Speaker 3: And because my voice was really croaky and a lot
Speaker 3: more deep and sexy, I.
Speaker 1: Reckon everyone in Melbourne has got something at the moment.
Speaker 1: It seems like everyone I talked who's got either bloody
Speaker 1: influenza A or B or COVID or some other kind
Speaker 1: of bloody virus something.
Speaker 3: I got through all of winter without getting a single sniffle,
Speaker 3: and now we hit into spring. Now I'm feeling a
Speaker 3: lot better though, but it's been an interesting week. I
Speaker 3: sent you a little video clip before. Maybe explain what
Speaker 3: I sent to you because I was pretty excited about it.
Speaker 1: Well, I wrote a book one hundred and twenty four
Speaker 1: years ago called The Angry Ent, which was clearly a
Speaker 1: book for children, and it went okay. Actually, it's funny
Speaker 1: you sent that because I was thinking of writing another
Speaker 1: kid's book. You know that who's that author? That actor?
Speaker 1: Was it? I wasn't. What's that old dude that's got
Speaker 1: that incredible voice? Anyway? And that the book is cooled
Speaker 1: No in that ballpark though, in that kind of vintage
Speaker 1: in that space. But the book is called go the
Speaker 1: fuck to Sleep, and he reads it tif can you
Speaker 1: find out for us? Anyway? It's tongue in cheek, but
Speaker 1: it's funny. But so Patrick took the cover of my
Speaker 1: book and made it into a little animated video. Well
Speaker 1: L Jackson, Samuel L. Jackson, there's a lot of those
Speaker 1: old dudes have got those incredible voices anyway. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: why did you do that? How did you did you
Speaker 1: find some AI that does that quickly? Or I did?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I've been I think typ people might remember
Speaker 3: my friend Tour that I was doing a podcast with.
Speaker 3: Okay smart Yes, released a couple of books, and so
Speaker 3: she wants she's rewritten or she's rewritten the first book
Speaker 3: of her fantasy series and now she's come up with
Speaker 3: a second book. So I animated the covers and the
Speaker 3: covers look amazing that if you could imagine a woman
Speaker 3: in in a hood and flowing robe holding an archery
Speaker 3: bow and one of them she actually picks up the
Speaker 3: bow and fires the arrow. So it's all animated so
Speaker 3: the book, so the letters are still in front of
Speaker 3: the character. But it really looked quite stunning and and
Speaker 3: so she asked me if I could animate it, and
Speaker 3: I just use some great AI tools and just use
Speaker 3: the prompt to say, you know, animate the character, get
Speaker 3: it to pick up the bow and fire an arrow.
Speaker 1: And it just looked stunning.
Speaker 3: And that's I'll see if I can show you by
Speaker 3: doing the angry ant very good.
Speaker 1: Well. And one of the things that makes me a
Speaker 1: little bit sad now is every time someone sends me
Speaker 1: something that's a video or an amazing picture, he go
Speaker 1: is this real? Or is this AI? And like everyone's
Speaker 1: doing that now. Like I saw this video the other
Speaker 1: day that was about cars and shit, and I sent
Speaker 1: it to Vinn, my mate who's a revhead, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is incredible, and he goes, AI, like is it
Speaker 1: and he goes that couldn't happen. That's not real, And
Speaker 1: like I just thought it was real. It didn't occur
Speaker 1: to me for a moment, and usually it would occur
Speaker 1: to me before him. But he's like, nah, that's not happening,
Speaker 1: that's not real. I went dies because I was really excited,
Speaker 1: and I went real disappointed. We're going to be It's
Speaker 1: going to get worse too, Isn't it like you're not
Speaker 1: going to anything that looks amazing, You're going to assume
Speaker 1: that's not a real far or a real image or
Speaker 1: a real video.
Speaker 3: I was at a cafe last weekend in Trent from
Speaker 3: catching up with a friend of mine, and I wasn't
Speaker 3: deliberately listening to other people's conversations, but there was a
Speaker 3: father with two kids, and the daughter might have been
Speaker 3: aged twelve, and part of the conversation was Ai Slop.
Speaker 1: And it was interesting that a twelve.
Speaker 3: Year old recognized because I think the father pointed out
Speaker 3: something and she said, no, that's Ai Slop. So it's
Speaker 3: great to know that kids are questioning and not moving.
Speaker 3: So it actually filled me with a bit of oh,
Speaker 3: thank goodness, you know, a bit of a relief, because
Speaker 3: it's one of those things that I worry about, you know,
Speaker 3: particularly children who you know. It's bad enough that you
Speaker 3: know those of our vintage are not you tif because
Speaker 3: you're younger, but those of our vintage can.
Speaker 1: Be misled by AI like cars stuff.
Speaker 3: But I thought it was very heartening to hear a
Speaker 3: young child recognize that that AI can be slop as well.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting because it was one of the things
Speaker 3: I wanted to chat about is how do you actually
Speaker 3: discern what is AI crap? AI slop?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: How do you find it? And it was interesting. There
Speaker 3: was a guy from an ad agency was saying, at
Speaker 3: its heart, it lacks a human heart.
Speaker 1: You know, isn't you know?
Speaker 3: When I think about you know, images that are out there,
Speaker 3: there's lots of great fantasy stuff and you think, oh wow,
Speaker 3: that's great spaceships and stuff like that. But the reality
Speaker 3: of it is that when you look at something, there's
Speaker 3: an essence of, say a book cover that's created by
Speaker 3: a real person.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I guess I worry about the fact that AI is
Speaker 3: getting better. And the big challenge for a lot of
Speaker 3: publishers and a lot of producers of content is that
Speaker 3: the disappointing thing is that a lot of material has
Speaker 3: been trained on what we assume was copy protected copyright
Speaker 3: protected material, so authors have had their books all scanned
Speaker 3: and absorbed and new large language models. So the problem
Speaker 3: is that a lot of these larger companies like Meta
Speaker 3: and have just gone and arbitrarily copied and taken all
Speaker 3: that information. And they're saying, well, we didn't copy it,
Speaker 3: we just learned from it. But the reality of it is,
Speaker 3: I can take one of the AI models that produces video,
Speaker 3: I produces pictures and say, show me a picture of
Speaker 3: a Schnauzer in a style of Van Goch, do something
Speaker 3: like Starry Night.
Speaker 1: It might have.
Speaker 3: And you know if I said to it, I want
Speaker 3: a backdrop of that's similar to Starry Night.
Speaker 1: Well, the reality of it is.
Speaker 3: It would do that, and I know it would do
Speaker 3: it quite successfully, because I'm pretty sure I would have
Speaker 3: done that. My first AI endeavors were generating Schnauzer pictures.
Speaker 3: Because that doesn't surprise anybody who knows me. What was
Speaker 3: the first AI image that you've jumped into and created, Harps.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know the answer to that. But pursuant
Speaker 1: to this conversation, you're Honor and tiv I the other day, like,
Speaker 1: I've got a gig coming up in a few weeks
Speaker 1: on the Goldie and I just wanted to do something
Speaker 1: like a little silly kind of how's my mic technique tip?
Speaker 1: I'm just checking really really good.
Speaker 2: Thank you having Thank.
Speaker 1: You, Ernie, thank you. I'm very very trying vally baally
Speaker 1: hard and anyway, Patrick, So I went, ah, here's a
Speaker 1: photo of my kind of I guess from my chest up.
Speaker 1: Here's an image of me. Use this image as the
Speaker 1: basis for a picture of me in the surf, right,
Speaker 1: because I just wanted to write over the top of that, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm coming to the goldie blah blah blah. Right. So
Speaker 1: the one thing that had absolutely to work with that
Speaker 1: was one hundred percent accurate was the photo of me
Speaker 1: that I sent it, and it creates this image of
Speaker 1: me surfing on a wave. But the head is not
Speaker 1: my head, like it's a it's a different head. It
Speaker 1: looks kind of like me kind of. But then you
Speaker 1: lean in. Patrick's gone. He's clearly bored. But then yeah, Patrick,
Speaker 1: just everyone. He just got up and left his chair
Speaker 1: and walked out of the room. That's one of the
Speaker 1: one of the things that people don't this is an
Speaker 1: insight into podcasting. I don't know, you've had something legit
Speaker 1: to do, and it's fine, but it's funny. Sometimes you're
Speaker 1: interviewing one person and it's just one and one on
Speaker 1: the thing. Have you had this tiff? Then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they get up and they walk out of
Speaker 1: their chair because they've got to go get a drink
Speaker 1: or turn the fan off or something. Then you're looking
Speaker 1: at nothing and you're trying to stay as engaged as
Speaker 1: you were. Like the only thing that's like Patrick's not
Speaker 1: talking right now, which is a fucking rare event, but
Speaker 1: he flipping the mod. So but anyway, I gave it
Speaker 1: a picture of me to work with and it came
Speaker 1: back and it was complete bullshit. I'm like, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a way to go. There is still a way to
Speaker 1: go with that, Patrick, I go on, tiff go.
Speaker 2: So I was going to say, there's some Facebook pages
Speaker 2: that I've seen pop up in my feed where people
Speaker 2: put real old photos and ask for photoshop for free.
Speaker 2: Can you fix this sentimental where Arah and people do
Speaker 2: amazing stuff, but sometimes people turn those they do really
Speaker 2: funny stuff, but they turn them into little videos of
Speaker 2: doing incredible and they are incredibly accurate. They look real,
Speaker 2: they look like the actual person in the photo, and
Speaker 2: they move real and you wouldn't know the difference.
Speaker 1: How many people do you reckon and doing a version
Speaker 1: of that, Patrick James Bonello, Like, here's a picture of
Speaker 1: me from ten years ago. Make this fucking amazing. And
Speaker 1: then they're going and putting that on some kind of
Speaker 1: dating website, like where you know, they've just gone from
Speaker 1: you know, a four out of ten to a two.
Speaker 1: Not well, I don't you know what I mean. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's like me, I put I'm sixty one, I look
Speaker 1: like a desert boot. I'm cool with that, right, So
Speaker 1: let's use me as an example. Right, Like, even when
Speaker 1: I was young and healthy and good, I was a six. Right,
Speaker 1: I was never a fucking nine. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: But now we put up a photo of me and
Speaker 1: I'm a fucking nine and a half. And then my
Speaker 1: date whoever he is, turns up and you're like, fuck, bro,
Speaker 1: you don't look at anything like it, And they just
Speaker 1: want to, you know, they walk and they look across
Speaker 1: the room, they see that that's you, because there's a
Speaker 1: vague resemblance, but they're thinking, oh my god, how the
Speaker 1: fuck do I get out of here without him seeing
Speaker 1: me or her seeing me.
Speaker 3: Look, I agree with you. I've never understood the idea
Speaker 3: of trying to put the best shot ever that's been
Speaker 3: photoshopped or aied up there, because you're just going to
Speaker 3: disappoint the person you're meeting.
Speaker 1: In fact, if you do the opposite, you know.
Speaker 3: Lower the expense exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's my that's my go under cell over to Liver, like,
Speaker 1: put up a shot that's close to shit. If they
Speaker 1: turn up, how fucking happy are they going to be? Firstly,
Speaker 1: you're probably not going to get any hooks, that's okay,
Speaker 1: but imagine if you do, they turn up and your
Speaker 1: fucking Brad Pitt or whoever the equivalent of that is.
Speaker 3: Next time I'm down your way, all you're going to
Speaker 3: do is take a photo with Fritzzer. I've got to
Speaker 3: tell you will get so many hits on your dating
Speaker 3: profile with that little schnauzer face and my dog.
Speaker 1: I think he just called me a schnauzer face. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about one more tech related thing while
Speaker 1: Tips here, because Tip's got to do a runner and
Speaker 1: we've kind of spoken about similar things. So this morning
Speaker 1: I was at the Old Cafe, which is often the
Speaker 1: source of much of my material as it is today,
Speaker 1: I was sitting next to Dino made of mine, and
Speaker 1: he's a good lady wife, Rachel, who's lovely, and she
Speaker 1: wanted to start talking or she started talking to me
Speaker 1: about her sleep quality tip ram right and that, and
Speaker 1: she started saying that it's she's wearing an app and
Speaker 1: it tells her every day, you know, whether or not,
Speaker 1: like you, she slept well or didn't sleep well. And
Speaker 1: then said, I woke up this morning and I felt good,
Speaker 1: like I felt like I'd slept pretty well. Said then
Speaker 1: I looked at my whatever the fuck is watch what
Speaker 1: do you call those things? Just watch app whatever, and
Speaker 1: it said that I'd had basically a shit night's sleep
Speaker 1: and expect to be grouchy today. That's what it said
Speaker 1: to her, Like, if that's not setting you up for
Speaker 1: a shit day? And then I said, now tell me honestly,
Speaker 1: so you felt pretty good when you woke up, not
Speaker 1: through the roof, but felt pretty good after that, She goes,
Speaker 1: I felt terrible, She goes, I still feel terrible. I
Speaker 1: wish I didn't look at it. I'm like, here's here's
Speaker 1: my question. Is your life better or worse with that thing?
Speaker 1: And you the attachment that you have to that, they expect,
Speaker 1: the anxiety that's now around it now she starts to
Speaker 1: get anxious heading up to bedtime about about potentially not
Speaker 1: sleeping well. So the thing that she's worrying is turning
Speaker 1: up the anxiety which is making her sleep worse. I'm like,
Speaker 1: throw that fucking thing away. I go, throw it away
Speaker 1: or put it in a draw. I go. You know,
Speaker 1: it's better than technology biology. Listen to your fucking body,
Speaker 1: because your body smart. You have a sleep, you wake up,
Speaker 1: you go, I feel pretty good. Well, then maybe you
Speaker 1: feel pretty good. I think that you know to both
Speaker 1: you like, this is like you with your glucose monitor,
Speaker 1: which was widely inaccurate. It was causing you fucking chaos
Speaker 1: based on data that was absolutely untrue.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and I just had I just took my
Speaker 2: watch off for a couple of weeks, and I've cleared
Speaker 2: all of the data from being able to be seen
Speaker 2: on my watch face, and I've blocked the app on
Speaker 2: my phone so I can't use it like that because
Speaker 2: I did the same thing. I would wake up.
Speaker 1: And even knowing.
Speaker 2: That the its ability to track the quality of your
Speaker 2: sleep is probably the poorest function on there and wildly inaccurate,
Speaker 2: we all look at it and it would still play
Speaker 2: into how I felt for the day.
Speaker 1: So I think this is one of the distinct potential
Speaker 1: downsides of wearables and this kind of health focused I
Speaker 1: put an asterisk next to that tech that's kind of
Speaker 1: infiltrating every corner of humanity. Patrick, Look, you know, it's
Speaker 1: a really valid point.
Speaker 3: I was just thinking as you were saying that a
Speaker 3: friend of mine got me on the TikTok and it
Speaker 3: lasted a day because I was looking at the TikTok
Speaker 3: videos and they're viral videos. They're made for you to
Speaker 3: keep swiping. They go for a very short amount of time.
Speaker 3: They grab your attention, then you want the next one
Speaker 3: and the next one and the next one. And I
Speaker 3: said to him, I can't keep this on my phone.
Speaker 3: So after twenty four hours, I just deleted the app.
Speaker 3: I've been out of social media for about eight years.
Speaker 3: It's funny we manage social media for our clients and
Speaker 3: yet I don't use social media at all anymore. But
Speaker 3: I found that for me, and I think, if you're
Speaker 3: probably the same, you have to go cold turkey, do
Speaker 3: you Patrick?
Speaker 1: Just sorry to interrupt, I would think I totally get
Speaker 1: why you do that, and clearly it works. Do you
Speaker 1: think that for your job, right, Not because you necessarily
Speaker 1: want to go down some you know, IG rabbit hole
Speaker 1: or Facebook rabbit hole, but do you think it would
Speaker 1: be good for you to go all right, well, every
Speaker 1: day between whenever it might be nine to nine thirty,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to open up this shit, look at it,
Speaker 1: just to get my head around, and then shut it down.
Speaker 1: So I spend thirty minutes a day where I mean,
Speaker 1: if you are working in the space of social media
Speaker 1: and helping people with their social media, I would think
Speaker 1: it would be valuable for you to have insight into
Speaker 1: what is happening right now at the coal face. You know,
Speaker 1: everything you've said is absolutely spot on, except for one point.
Speaker 3: Employ somebody to do as social media for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But at your company though, but the buck stops
Speaker 1: with you a sure company. Yeah, right now.
Speaker 3: I collaborate with my colleagues, so I see the work
Speaker 3: that he's producing, and we talk about the work he's producing,
Speaker 3: and he shows me things that are going viral or
Speaker 3: whatever it happens to be. So I do lean over
Speaker 3: and have a bit of a look at what you
Speaker 3: know is trending. If he points something out to me,
Speaker 3: so I guess I rely on him to do that,
Speaker 3: and as you appreciate, you know, when you surround people
Speaker 3: with certain skills, it's great to be able to then
Speaker 3: entrust them to help you with that. So you know,
Speaker 3: TIFF's producing the podcast, she's going to be able to
Speaker 3: put it all together and will go to air at
Speaker 3: the weekend, and the types of things that you know,
Speaker 3: once you realize that if you surround yourself with people
Speaker 3: who are smarter than you and more talented, that's where
Speaker 3: you're going to succeed in life. No, I really mean that.
Speaker 3: I mean I've got I'm very lucky. I've got a
Speaker 3: great colleagues who do really good stuff. So whether it's
Speaker 3: you know, building websites or doing social media, I can
Speaker 3: do little bits. But it's a valid point. And but
Speaker 3: I think you could kind of. I don't like to
Speaker 3: micromanage either, so you know, let him do his job.
Speaker 1: I think. So if he becomes an addict, fucking as
Speaker 1: long as you're not.
Speaker 3: He's been paid, though, he's been paid to.
Speaker 1: Become an addict. Jeam, Well that's all right. Well there's
Speaker 1: some kind of remuneration for him, so enjoy your addiction,
Speaker 1: and here's some cash just to offset that. Love Patrick, Wow, Hay, Tiv,
Speaker 1: have you got to go?
Speaker 3: I've got to go.
Speaker 1: Where are you going? Where are you going?
Speaker 2: I've got a zoom meeting to jump on.
Speaker 3: You're on a zoom meeting right now.
Speaker 1: It's a really fun one.
Speaker 3: This one probably won't be fun.
Speaker 1: But now responsibility, Well, if somebody that we know who's
Speaker 1: wearing a baseball cap AND's got a snouther in the
Speaker 1: middle of his legs, if that person you know didn't
Speaker 1: move the time, you would have been able to have
Speaker 1: the whole hour.
Speaker 2: I know life was really good and then someone changed
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Between Patrick and the bloody Wearables,
Speaker 1: it's tough. Life's tough, and Ai I'm a butler.
Speaker 2: I'm a butler.
Speaker 1: Do what you can learn to fight and I keep fighting.
Speaker 1: I sold you on. Keep you long stocking, by the way,
Speaker 1: learn more about the woman that you look like or
Speaker 1: the girl that you look like.
Speaker 2: Have a good day, Tiv fall Well, guys, bye.
Speaker 1: And she's gone. It's just you and me now. I
Speaker 1: don't know if we can be trusted. I don't think
Speaker 1: so either. Just quietly, I wouldn't trust it. Let's hit
Speaker 1: up your list, bro, We've got half an hour, tell me,
Speaker 1: teach me, enlighten me and the listeners.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's keep on the track of AI a little bit.
Speaker 3: I don't want to overdo the AI stuff. But there's
Speaker 3: a group of scientists at Imperial College in London and
Speaker 3: they have been working for a decade looking at how
Speaker 3: bacteria evolve and how they can eventually evolve into dangerous
Speaker 3: superbugs that are resistant to antibiotics, something that concerns all
Speaker 3: of us. Well, recently they plugged in all of their
Speaker 3: decade worth of figures into Google's new AI system called
Speaker 3: cos Scientists, and in forty eight hours, it generated the
Speaker 3: exact same hypothesis that they'd taken ten years to come
Speaker 3: up with.
Speaker 1: Fuck that is that is what would you if you
Speaker 1: were that team, if you were the leader of that
Speaker 1: team doing that research, what would your emotion be around that? Oh?
Speaker 3: Look, you know what's interesting is the article that I
Speaker 3: was reading was that they were actually quite elated. What
Speaker 3: they're saying is it's like any tool, and there are
Speaker 3: always going to be things that the AI can't do,
Speaker 3: But that number crunching is it's great that they were
Speaker 3: able to collaborate. And I guess look at that to
Speaker 3: verify the hypothesis they come up to it generated four
Speaker 3: additional entirely plausible hypotheses as well, so they had other
Speaker 3: tracks that they're now going to go down and investigate further.
Speaker 3: You know, it's great. It's like using a calculator. My
Speaker 3: colleague who's I, as I was saying, is really talented.
Speaker 3: He's very creative, visually creative, but he's terrible.
Speaker 1: At math sometimes.
Speaker 3: You know, well, I don't know why this happens every
Speaker 3: now and again, but it might be adding up some
Speaker 3: figures and my head because I like the challenge of
Speaker 3: adding up you know, I'm not really good at maths,
Speaker 3: but I like the challenge myself and say, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll add that that that and add it up in
Speaker 3: my head and I come up with the right number.
Speaker 3: Whereas he uses a calculator, like the challenge myself to
Speaker 3: see if I can be quicker than him on his calculator,
Speaker 3: which is kind So those sorts of things, but ultimately
Speaker 3: it's a check and measure, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think yes, But I think with all
Speaker 1: of these things, like truly, some people just are not
Speaker 1: great at maths, and that's cool. They can draw brilliantly,
Speaker 1: or they can run one hundred miles an hour, or
Speaker 1: it's like lots of things that I'm terrible at, a
Speaker 1: few things I'm good at. So I think, why on
Speaker 1: earth wouldn't you use a calculator? You know, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: that's a resource you had. Why would don't you use AI?
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you use you know? And I understand it.
Speaker 1: There are you know, there are going to be there's
Speaker 1: going to be a human cost, whether or not that's
Speaker 1: in jobs, or whether or not that's in mental health
Speaker 1: for some people, or but I think with every breakthrough
Speaker 1: in technology or even in science or you know, any
Speaker 1: of the other kind of fields, there's always there's It
Speaker 1: can never be all positive. There's going to be you know,
Speaker 1: it's like when you you know this story better than me, probably,
Speaker 1: but when they invented, you know, a diesel and petrol
Speaker 1: driven cars, and then all the fucking horse and cart
Speaker 1: businesses went out of and all the cart makers went
Speaker 1: broke essentially because who wants a cart and one horse
Speaker 1: when you can have a twenty five horse power car
Speaker 1: and that doesn't shit everywhere, you know, So you know,
Speaker 1: they said TV would never take off. They said the
Speaker 1: Internet would never last like and because there was a
Speaker 1: cost to that, like Encycloperetic Encyclopedia Britannica when the way
Speaker 1: the Dodo bird when the Internet came out, because who
Speaker 1: needs thirty seven gigantic books on their shelves when they
Speaker 1: can just look on their computer. There's always a cost,
Speaker 1: I guess, you know.
Speaker 3: One of the quotes from the scientists involved was that
Speaker 3: AI is a tool to accelerate, not replace scientists.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's beautiful. I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so yeah, I think is it going to
Speaker 3: replace jobs? No, but it's going to make jobs easier,
Speaker 3: and it means that they can focus on the human
Speaker 3: based skills that AI can't do, which you know, this
Speaker 3: is really important work looking at how bacteria evolve and
Speaker 3: potentially become these deadly bacteria that are resistant to antibiotics,
Speaker 3: because that's a real worry for everybody.
Speaker 1: The other day I had a pod. I had somebody booked,
Speaker 1: somebody pulled out, and so literally within about not very long,
Speaker 1: like twenty minutes, I need to figure out what I
Speaker 1: was going to do to do a podcast for tomorrow,
Speaker 1: And so I just went into chat GPT and I said,
Speaker 1: you know, everything I've written and everything, you know, all
Speaker 1: my podcasts, you know, all my shit. And I talked
Speaker 1: to it like we're colleagues, not friends. But I go
Speaker 1: I often will have a conversation with it in terms
Speaker 1: of I've got an idea. What do you think about this?
Speaker 1: It'll say blah blah blah. We'll go back and forth.
Speaker 1: Right and I said, based on all of my shit,
Speaker 1: I want you to come up with an idea for
Speaker 1: a podcast topic that I haven't done before. And it
Speaker 1: came up with ten, and about seven or eight were
Speaker 1: and straight away, by the way, seven I are okay.
Speaker 1: One or two were good, and one was I thought
Speaker 1: really good, And it was the psychology of enough. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that is really good. Like let's talk about what is
Speaker 1: enough and when is it enough? And why isn't it
Speaker 1: enough now? And when I go, I'll have enough when
Speaker 1: I have ten, And then I get ten and I go, oh, no,
Speaker 1: ten's not enough. It's actually twelve or no, it's like
Speaker 1: what is this And not to go, ah, here's the solution, everybody,
Speaker 1: but rather just to lean into this idea of enough,
Speaker 1: you know, because we it's a very common human trait
Speaker 1: to be dissatisfied. Like wherever we are, whatever we've got,
Speaker 1: there's no contentment or there's very little. It's not enough.
Speaker 1: We need more of this, we need more of that,
Speaker 1: and need to be quicker and better and faster. And
Speaker 1: you know it's like, oh what about the ops? What
Speaker 1: about the pendulum swing of that? So yeah, I just
Speaker 1: I think it was with Tiff. We just riffed for
Speaker 1: like fifty minutes just on this idea, this thought bubble,
Speaker 1: and it's like for things like that, where it goes, oh,
Speaker 1: here's an idea. Now, it didn't give me a script,
Speaker 1: it didn't give me you know, I just went I
Speaker 1: actually like that, and then off that prompt that it
Speaker 1: gave me. We spoke for fifty minutes on something that's
Speaker 1: an interesting idea but also relevant for everybody because at
Speaker 1: some stage, like if whatever you have, wherever you are,
Speaker 1: whatever you're doing, if it's never enough, then you're never
Speaker 1: going to be content.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's funny you say that because I could
Speaker 3: relate that to a whole so many different things in life,
Speaker 3: whether it's that extra piece of a block of chocolate.
Speaker 3: You know, I think I'm just going to have one row,
Speaker 3: and you have that one row and then you go
Speaker 3: to the next row or the extra pringle or you know,
Speaker 3: or going to the gym and pushing out an extra set.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's so exactly. It's just like a good
Speaker 1: you could you know, in relationships, in your spiritual journey,
Speaker 1: if you've got one in your you know, your property portfolio.
Speaker 1: It's like for me, I weigh up. Like my business
Speaker 1: model now is very simple. Go to companies, talk to
Speaker 1: the people, come home, right, that's it. Maybe you talk
Speaker 1: for an how maybe you talk for day record podcasts,
Speaker 1: have sponsors, work with Novo, work with Patrick everybloody Friday.
Speaker 1: Whatever it is right, it's not complicated, and I know
Speaker 1: I could do bigger and better and more. But where
Speaker 1: I'm at now, which is can compared to when I
Speaker 1: had heaps of employees and heaps of standalone businesses. For
Speaker 1: me right now, this is the best model because on
Speaker 1: an emotional and social and mental and commercial level, it's
Speaker 1: just for me. Not wouldn't be for a lot of
Speaker 1: other people, but for me, it's the right mix. And
Speaker 1: I go, yeah, this is enough, this is good, and
Speaker 1: I think it's good to reflect on that, you know,
Speaker 1: and get and I'm getting a little bit deep, but
Speaker 1: I'll shut up after this. But I think like in
Speaker 1: the continuity of life, like we're always in that river
Speaker 1: that's flowing, and your life has got momentum, and your
Speaker 1: life has got energy, and there's all these rules and
Speaker 1: rituals and things that we do on autopilot sometimes to
Speaker 1: swim to the side of the metaphoric river, get out
Speaker 1: of the river, get up on the bankment, or I'll
Speaker 1: sit on a rock and just sit on the rock
Speaker 1: and look at try to get some perspective on the
Speaker 1: river that's flowing by, and thinking, Am I in the
Speaker 1: right river? Am I swimming in the right direction? Am I?
Speaker 1: And you might come back with, yes, I'm exactly where
Speaker 1: I should be, doing exactly what I should be doing.
Speaker 1: Or you might go, maybe I need to swim in
Speaker 1: a slightly different direction, or maybe I'm swimming against the
Speaker 1: tide and it's killing me.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Sitting outside of yourself and reflecting on how your
Speaker 3: life is proceeding is a difficult thing for a lot
Speaker 3: of us, where you get swept up in the moment
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 1: And you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3: I remember you saying to me many many years ago.
Speaker 3: I'm talking more than twenty years ago. How that every
Speaker 3: New Year you make up a little list for yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, between Christmas and New Year, I spend those six
Speaker 1: days or whatever it is planning the next year and
Speaker 1: or just thinking about like it's it's not as strategic
Speaker 1: because it once was. It used to be quite commercially driven,
Speaker 1: and these days it's more contemplation and trying to get
Speaker 1: you know that that river metaphor, that is really about awareness,
Speaker 1: you know, self awareness and being aware of you that
Speaker 1: you have a life. If you're in the middle of
Speaker 1: a life, but it is not you and you are
Speaker 1: not in you know, you're in a story, but you're
Speaker 1: not the story. You're part of the story, and you're
Speaker 1: writing the story. And you can change the direction of
Speaker 1: the story anytime you want, because you're the fucking author.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be in that river going in
Speaker 1: that direction, you know. But this kind of intentional thinking
Speaker 1: and this kind of mental and emotional distance we can
Speaker 1: get from our life. It is as you suggest, it's
Speaker 1: a tricky thing to do because I work a lot
Speaker 1: with small business people. One of the biggest challenges for
Speaker 1: people in business, small business particularly is to work on
Speaker 1: the business, not in the business. Is to step back
Speaker 1: because generally, if you're working in a small business, you
Speaker 1: take on multiple roles. You know, I hate bookkeeping, and
Speaker 1: I have a bookkeeper and I have an accountant, but
Speaker 1: I still do some of the bookkeeping.
Speaker 3: I do the invoicing, but I put it off because
Speaker 3: I hate it, and it's the world because I need
Speaker 3: to invoice otherwise I can't make any money and pay
Speaker 3: my staff on my bills. And yet it's one of
Speaker 3: the things I dread doing because I like being creative
Speaker 3: and it was interesting this week. I can't go into
Speaker 3: the details, but we run a Google Ads campaign for
Speaker 3: a client who's a really good, really great client. They
Speaker 3: listen to what we say. But the guy who owns
Speaker 3: the business has a mentor and coach, and the spend
Speaker 3: that they were currently making on Google Ads, the mentor said, look,
Speaker 3: you're not spending enough. You need to increase the spend.
Speaker 3: And it was increased to a point that I felt
Speaker 3: uncomfortable because the more you're spending, the more management. And
Speaker 3: it sounds like a silly thing to say, but I
Speaker 3: called them the other day and said, look, let's not
Speaker 3: spend this much. I know it's going to make me
Speaker 3: more money, but I think him sit back and ask
Speaker 3: why are you spending this money?
Speaker 1: What do you want to achieve from.
Speaker 3: The campaign, and let's track it to see if you're
Speaker 3: getting the type of results that you want, not arbitrarily
Speaker 3: tripling the amount of money. We're talking a lot of money,
Speaker 3: you know, for a relatively small business. And I think
Speaker 3: sometimes it's just easy to make those knee jerk reactions
Speaker 3: and not to step back from it, not to step
Speaker 3: back and say, well, where do I want to go
Speaker 3: with this? You know, As you know, I had a
Speaker 3: business partner in Melbourne when I just started getting into
Speaker 3: graphic design web design, and you know, we work together
Speaker 3: for about three years, and then I realized that he
Speaker 3: wanted to build a multimillion dollar company with hundreds of staff,
Speaker 3: and I thought, I don't want to do that. I'm
Speaker 3: not interested. I don't want to be the CEO of
Speaker 3: some big, enormous organization like what I'm doing. I like
Speaker 3: the relationships that I make with other people who are
Speaker 3: in business. And you know, one of my clients, I've
Speaker 3: now had the same client for more than twenty years
Speaker 3: and it's had three owners in that time, and it's
Speaker 3: about to be handed over from a father to a
Speaker 3: son making number four. So to me, that's a sense
Speaker 3: of achievement because we've a had the continuity. The business
Speaker 3: has been robust enough to continue. I mean, that's because
Speaker 3: of the hard work of other people, but we've contributed
Speaker 3: a little bit to that. So you know, in some
Speaker 3: ways I find that exciting from my perspective. So it's
Speaker 3: easy just to get caught up and not to realize, well,
Speaker 3: what is actually better for me?
Speaker 1: Well, I think also, you know, that's about your values,
Speaker 1: right I If somebody said to me, oh, we want
Speaker 1: you to come and talk for the day to our
Speaker 1: team and we'll pay you thirty grand, I would say,
Speaker 1: you won't. I go, that's ridiculous, you know, I would go,
Speaker 1: I won't take thirty grand. I would take yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: but I don't charge thirty grand, so you're not paying
Speaker 1: me that. I'll do it for whatever it is, right,
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people would go, you're
Speaker 1: an idiot, But you know, I think you know, I've
Speaker 1: turned down more than a dozen campaigns which were somewhere
Speaker 1: between not bad dough and really good dough on this
Speaker 1: on this show one very recently because I just can't
Speaker 1: it doesn't align and I'm not trying to sound like
Speaker 1: goodie two shoes, and I get lots of things wrong
Speaker 1: and sometimes I'm a prick yep, all of that right,
Speaker 1: But I can't you know one that I can talk
Speaker 1: about because I've mentioned it before, but as you know,
Speaker 1: selling booze, which I'm not against booze. My parents drink booze,
Speaker 1: my most of my friends drink booze. I'm just personally, personally,
Speaker 1: I don't. That's because that's my choice. Secondly, I work
Speaker 1: with alcoholics and addicts, people who really struggle with addiction issues,
Speaker 1: a lot of them. I've got friends that are also
Speaker 1: alcoholics who struggle. And then I'm not going to sell it.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go, hey, everybody, you should get
Speaker 1: your booze here or And it's cool that I think
Speaker 1: other people should do that because it's kind of aligned
Speaker 1: with everything and it's all good, but but I just
Speaker 1: can't do it. And I think that when you know,
Speaker 1: when you figure out actually what does matter to you?
Speaker 1: And look, if you said to me in a different life,
Speaker 1: if I had like five kids and I was struggling
Speaker 1: and a wife and we were I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: I would maybe I'd be maybe my morals would have
Speaker 1: to take a backseat to post school fees or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but where I am right now, I'm
Speaker 1: just going no, I can't do that and I won't
Speaker 1: do that. And I think if you did something where
Speaker 1: you were only doing it for the dough, well firstly
Speaker 1: you wouldn't do it. But if you did it only
Speaker 1: for the dough, even to the potential detriment of your clients,
Speaker 1: you hate yourself. Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, what's something that's creeping into corporate culture now
Speaker 3: is corporate conscience, which is interesting and it seems to
Speaker 3: be almost a contrast, you know, directly in contrast to
Speaker 3: what corporations are supposed to do make more money. But
Speaker 3: I'm seeing that coming in. I signed contracts at the
Speaker 3: start of this year with the big wind farm company
Speaker 3: building wind farms around Australia. We were doing the community stuff,
Speaker 3: community marketing, and you know, when they move into an
Speaker 3: area and generally it's a rural area, and they build
Speaker 3: a website they inform people about what's going to happen
Speaker 3: with the wind farm. But they're a Chinese company and
Speaker 3: the contract I signed was twenty four pages which included
Speaker 3: a slavery clause. So what that means is they look
Speaker 3: at the supply chain and what your personal supply chain is,
Speaker 3: and they say, we committed to all of our suppliers
Speaker 3: making sure they know where their goods are coming from.
Speaker 3: That didn't affect us so much because we only work
Speaker 3: in Australia. We don't use offshore, so it wasn't something
Speaker 3: that was an impact for us specifically. But it's interesting
Speaker 3: that companies in our thinking that way those terms. I
Speaker 3: know I've talked about this before and it's really not tech,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I had this as a good chat. We'll get to
Speaker 1: the tech next week. Go on. Well.
Speaker 3: IBM is a well known company that has its fingers
Speaker 3: in lots of pies. It's been around for many, many
Speaker 3: years and they provide a very high end technical infrastructure
Speaker 3: for a big sporting event that I was involved with.
Speaker 3: And they pulled out of that sporting event a few
Speaker 3: years ago, and there was no real chatter about why
Speaker 3: they pulled out of particular event, but I spoke to
Speaker 3: somebody who I got on to know really well with
Speaker 3: and they said it's because the company was concerned that
Speaker 3: the event had too much of a reliance on gambling
Speaker 3: advertising and contrary to the company's standards that they set
Speaker 3: for themselves. So they walked away saying that, and look,
Speaker 3: this is a secondhand story, but it was someone who
Speaker 3: was quite involved in the sport in the organization, and
Speaker 3: they told me that that's what the reason was that
Speaker 3: IBM walked away. And I thought, wow, that's my estimation.
Speaker 3: And IBM jumped a lot after hearing that.
Speaker 1: That's good. I mean, firstly, I believe you. Secondly, I
Speaker 1: don't hold as much faith for corporations and organizations that
Speaker 1: are driven by profit and shareholders to be that philanthropic
Speaker 1: and moral and ethical as you do. I had a
Speaker 1: lady on here this is very relevant to this conversation,
Speaker 1: and her job was to hook or baseticularly connect companies
Speaker 1: with genuine charities, like charities that were real deal, not bullshitty.
Speaker 1: You know, ninety six cents in the dollar goes to
Speaker 1: you know whatever, and four cents goes to the kids
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, but companies that have been very
Speaker 1: thoroughly screened and genuine legit charities and organization not for
Speaker 1: profit organizations that need sport. So she companies would employ
Speaker 1: her because she was an expert in that space to
Speaker 1: find a charity or a not for profit that they
Speaker 1: could partner with as an organization, which sounds lovely and
Speaker 1: it is, and they do partner with them, and they
Speaker 1: do give the money, and so it's all happening. And
Speaker 1: then I said to her on this very show, I said,
Speaker 1: how many of those companies would do that in your
Speaker 1: estimation if nobody knew that it was happening, like if
Speaker 1: they couldn't talk about it or write about their relationship
Speaker 1: with this charity or use it as any kind of
Speaker 1: pr leverage. She said zero. She said none of them
Speaker 1: would do it. And I went, wow, wow. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure there are companies, like you said, like IBM and
Speaker 1: if that's them, and congratulations, that's amazing, and there are
Speaker 1: there are ethically driven businesses now we know. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I just that I think I think we overestimate the
Speaker 1: morality or we can of organizations that really and understandably
Speaker 1: like they're in existence to make money. They're not in
Speaker 1: existence to save the world or do good. Like have
Speaker 1: you heard of the pharmaceutical industry. It's like they do
Speaker 1: some good, they also do some fucking terrible stuff, right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know where we're going with that,
Speaker 1: but I just think that if you can you on
Speaker 1: a personal level, hopefully me on a personal If you
Speaker 1: own a small company business, I do too. You go
Speaker 1: all right, well, what can I control? I can control me.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to take money to sell booze. That's okay.
Speaker 1: The next podcast can and also that is also okay.
Speaker 1: There's no judgment, it's just like trying to I think
Speaker 1: if you know truly what you stand for, then it
Speaker 1: doesn't make all the decisions and actions easy, but it
Speaker 1: makes it much clearer, you know, because you're like, oh no,
Speaker 1: that doesn't fit in my scope. So I wish it
Speaker 1: did because I'd love the dough, but I can't, so thanks.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I like the idea of working on a micro level,
Speaker 3: so whether it's giving or contributing, I now only really
Speaker 3: contribute to small charities and organizations in proximity to where
Speaker 3: I live, so you know, I help our neighborhood house.
Speaker 3: I do work for a few of our community organizations,
Speaker 3: and that's the fulfilling thing for me because I can
Speaker 3: see real value because it affects my community directly.
Speaker 1: And that's where I've kind of changed my mindset.
Speaker 3: But that was because I've been living here over sixteen
Speaker 3: years now in a rural town that's a population of
Speaker 3: just over three thousand people, So that gets done in
Speaker 3: the town is obvious. You know, we had a new
Speaker 3: library open recently, and you've never seen so many people
Speaker 3: flock to a library and be so excited. But wow,
Speaker 3: it's awesome, it's amazing. But what's really heartening is that
Speaker 3: you see lots of people engaging and young and old.
Speaker 1: They have a great area for kids.
Speaker 3: To be able to go with their parents, to hold
Speaker 3: big children's area, and you know, maternal health is in there.
Speaker 3: So that's a big thing for a community to be
Speaker 3: able to have something like that as a facility. And
Speaker 3: I think that's what changed my mindset when I moved
Speaker 3: out to a rural town because those decisions really impact
Speaker 3: the community.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, before we go, we've got ten minutes. I
Speaker 1: want to I'm just looking at your list of things
Speaker 1: that we haven't gotten to, which is most of them.
Speaker 4: But it was our last podcast. We got through everything,
Speaker 4: our last body that's this one because this one is
Speaker 4: relevant to me. Apple watches can now detect hypertension, which
Speaker 4: of course everyone is high blood pressure.
Speaker 1: I like that. So for me, I used to have
Speaker 1: quite bad hypertension genetically because of Mum and Dad, and
Speaker 1: I've had a recent experience just quickly. So since I
Speaker 1: first got prescribed my drug, which was Averpro one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty milligrams was the dose, I was twenty kilos
Speaker 1: heavier than you know, mainly muscle, but I was a
Speaker 1: bullfeed I was a bodybuilder. And now all these years later,
Speaker 1: I was feeling shits and it kind of occurred to me, Well,
Speaker 1: you have low blood pressure now because every time you
Speaker 1: stand up you get dizzy. Every time you bend over
Speaker 1: and do one arm rows and stand up, you're dizzy.
Speaker 1: When you get out of the shower, you're dizzy. And
Speaker 1: I don't know why the scientists didn't think of this
Speaker 1: a long time ago. Oh well, now you weigh twenty
Speaker 1: kilos less, you're probably fitter because you walk ten kilometers
Speaker 1: a day and you take the same dose that you
Speaker 1: did when you're one hundred klo buffed, So harved it better,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: White coat hypertension is something that I know you know
Speaker 3: a lot about and I suffer from as well, which
Speaker 3: means when you walk into a doctor surgery and they
Speaker 3: put the cuff on your arm and they start inflating
Speaker 3: the cuff. You start to get more stressed and that
Speaker 3: affects the reading that you get, and the problem with
Speaker 3: that is that you never get an accurate reading. So
Speaker 3: the new Apple Series eleven Watch, which is the Ultra
Speaker 3: three that's.
Speaker 1: Just come out.
Speaker 3: So Apple have their big event and they talk about
Speaker 3: all the new gadgets that have come out. They have
Speaker 3: this super slim line phone that also came out as well,
Speaker 3: the light I think they're.
Speaker 1: Going on or air Wow wow Apple.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever it is, the Apple Phone air or something anyway,
Speaker 3: but this thing is really cool because what it does
Speaker 3: is they're using machine learning or clever I guess tech
Speaker 3: to monitor a person's signs of hypertension. So it's not
Speaker 3: like a blood pressure monitor where it's constantly monitoring what
Speaker 3: your actual blood pressure is. It's looking for signs of hypertension,
Speaker 3: and then if it thinks that you're experiencing what they're
Speaker 3: calling chronic high blood pressure, it is now go and
Speaker 3: check your blood pressure. So it's constantly looking at you
Speaker 3: on a day to day basis, which gives you a
Speaker 3: much more holistic way of what's going on. Because this
Speaker 3: is something of a holy grail for me, because I've
Speaker 3: struggled with the you know, I've go to some doctors
Speaker 3: and I say I've got white white coat hypertension and
Speaker 3: they say, well, no, that's bullshit, it doesn't really exist,
Speaker 3: or they don't really believe that you've got it, and
Speaker 3: they want to put you on drugs. And I don't
Speaker 3: like the idea of being, you know, taking drugs because
Speaker 3: I'm fit and healthy. Well I think I am, but
Speaker 3: there are other side things that I test for. So,
Speaker 3: you know, I went to my optometrist recently and had
Speaker 3: my eyes tested, and the little tiny, tiny veins in
Speaker 3: the back of your eyes can be an indicator of
Speaker 3: whether or not you've got hypertension. Prolonged hype pretension be
Speaker 3: so delicate that you know, And because I've been to
Speaker 3: the same optometrist for years, I can go back, you know,
Speaker 3: five or six year and see the same photograph of
Speaker 3: the back of my eye and they can back whether
Speaker 3: there's been damaged.
Speaker 1: So there are little things like that that.
Speaker 3: Can also give you a bit of an idea of
Speaker 3: whether your hypertension is over a prolonged pit pardon me, period,
Speaker 3: but it's but I think this is great. You know,
Speaker 3: more techno, I don't. I guess I don't want to
Speaker 3: be in a situation where as we spoke earlier with Tiff,
Speaker 3: where you become reliant on that device and you're checking
Speaker 3: it constantly. This is much more of a generic kind
Speaker 3: of approach where it's monitoring in the background and I
Speaker 3: notifies you if it finds something that could indicate you've
Speaker 3: got hypertension. So that's what I really liked about this.
Speaker 3: I thought that's quite interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you use it as a tool rather than
Speaker 1: the ultimate medical kind of decision maker. But yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: And of course we've got a I don't know that
Speaker 1: you've ever had an item on your list that you
Speaker 1: send me that's been about poohing. And I couldn't be happier.
Speaker 1: I couldn't be happier because somehow you have tied shitting
Speaker 1: with tech.
Speaker 3: Proceed proceed well, Okay, A lot of us, and I've
Speaker 3: putting me in this, A lot of us take our
Speaker 3: phones to the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Oh you're disgusting. I know.
Speaker 3: Everyone put your hand up in this podcast. Have you
Speaker 3: ever taken your phone to the toilet with you?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: No, you don't take you leave it outside the toilet.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely, yeah, believe you only only when I'm awake,
Speaker 1: I take it in.
Speaker 3: So researchers they did a small survey one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty five adults at the Boston Medical Center and they
Speaker 3: found that there is a relationship between sitting down and
Speaker 3: pooping and the increase increased of hemorrhoids. And what they
Speaker 3: find what they're finding is if you take your phone
Speaker 3: into the toilet with you, you're more inclined to spend
Speaker 3: more time sitting on the can and that's where the
Speaker 3: problem arises from. So they believe that smartphone use on
Speaker 3: the toilet is gives you a forty six percent increased
Speaker 3: risk hemorrhoids. Now do you want to tell everybody what
Speaker 3: a hemorrhoid is.
Speaker 1: Well, it's basically a little ruptured blood vessel around your
Speaker 1: anus or lakes can be inside your anus, inside the
Speaker 1: little canal there or outside. Kind of looks like a
Speaker 1: grape or they can it's a little bit. I'm sure
Speaker 1: a lot of people have them that are listening, But
Speaker 1: I can hand on heart say I've never had one,
Speaker 1: but of course I know what they are, but I
Speaker 1: can't say I would want one, I should probably do
Speaker 1: stop doing phone meetings while on the crapper, Patrick, do
Speaker 1: you look?
Speaker 3: I would never answer a phone in the toilet for
Speaker 3: the most part.
Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? What's wrong with you? That's called efficiency? Really?
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank goodness, is not smell of vision. But so,
Speaker 3: but they can be really painful and it can lead
Speaker 3: to us problems. I mean, there are other reasons people
Speaker 3: get hemorrhoids as well. It could be you know that
Speaker 3: you're not having enough fiber in your diet, that you're
Speaker 3: straining to hard when you go to the toilet. And
Speaker 3: I know we always talk about the pooping seat. What
Speaker 3: do they call that? The little bit?
Speaker 1: Yeh, squatty potty? Did you say I got one gifted
Speaker 1: this week? Oh?
Speaker 2: Did you?
Speaker 1: I've been one for years. It's great. Here's a funny
Speaker 1: story that my listeners know but you don't, so I'll
Speaker 1: tell you.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: I was walking back from the cafe. Here this bloke
Speaker 1: yelling my name from the other side of the street.
Speaker 1: I've got headphones on, but I just was aware of
Speaker 1: waving arms and someone gesticulating towards me. I tap my
Speaker 1: headphones off. He's calling out my name. No idea who
Speaker 1: he is, and he goes apps and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know when you think, oh, maybe I'm meant to
Speaker 1: know this person, so you don't want to be rude.
Speaker 1: You might have met him four times anyway, I'm like, hey, mate,
Speaker 1: how are you. I'm like, fucking no idea anyway, I'll
Speaker 1: Mate holds up the one finger universal sign for can
Speaker 1: you just wait. I'm like okay. So I stop on
Speaker 1: the side of the footpath and o Mate opens the
Speaker 1: back of his car and gets out of Squatty Potty,
Speaker 1: a brand new one, and runs across the street towards me,
Speaker 1: across Hampton Street carrying Squatty Potty not weird at all.
Speaker 1: And so then he goes, hey, is, yeah, I work
Speaker 1: for Squatty Potty and blah blah blah blah blah, and
Speaker 1: I've heard about you talking about him on the show.
Speaker 1: Thought you might be due for a new one and
Speaker 1: bibbity Bobby boo, and I'm like thanks, I guess no,
Speaker 1: he was lovely. It was. It was funny though, And yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out to Squatty Potty man. I'm not sponsored by them, No,
Speaker 1: you're you're on mute. By the way, I don't know.
Speaker 1: If you know that, you do you use it? Have
Speaker 1: you used one pre every day? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I've been.
Speaker 1: I've been using the elevated foot position. If you go interestingly, folks,
Speaker 1: it's not a gimmick at all. There's actually a real
Speaker 1: anatomical advantage that actually unkinks your colon and does a
Speaker 1: whole lot of amazing shit. But if you go into
Speaker 1: any AI program and just say, what are the advantages
Speaker 1: of going to the toilet or you know, snapping one off,
Speaker 1: backing one out, shooting one off to where I be,
Speaker 1: dropping the kids off at the pool, releasing the chocolate hostage,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. You welcome, you welcome Boys' school.
Speaker 1: With my feet elevated, it will take you into quite
Speaker 1: a deep, clinical kind of assessment of why. And I'm
Speaker 1: not kidding. Yeah, it makes a massive difference. Can I
Speaker 1: admit something?
Speaker 3: Yes, when I travel, of course I don't take it
Speaker 3: with me, you know, but I'm always concerned because I
Speaker 3: know how important it is to elevate my feet.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm China, and you use a squat toilet.
Speaker 3: So when I go to places like friends houses, I
Speaker 3: look for things I can one per one hundred percent
Speaker 3: leak up against the wall or whatever, just to try
Speaker 3: to keep my feet up so that I could get
Speaker 3: my card.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you what I do which I've never
Speaker 1: said this to any human on earth at alone on
Speaker 1: a fucking This could be the end of my career.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the hotels that I stay at. I
Speaker 1: slide the draw out of whatever it is. So I
Speaker 1: take the drawer out, I turn it upside down, and
Speaker 1: then it usually angles up and I just put my
Speaker 1: feet on the edges of that like I don't like
Speaker 1: put all my weight on it. And now my feet
Speaker 1: are elevated, I snap one off, I do my business.
Speaker 1: Then I put the drawback in, and no one's any
Speaker 1: of the wiser, and life is good. And then you
Speaker 1: have a shower straight after it. Of course, people who
Speaker 1: shit and then don't shower, what the fuck is wrong
Speaker 1: with you. I've not had a shit without showering in
Speaker 1: twenty five years. My ass needs to hit the water
Speaker 1: within sixty seconds, and that's too long. Wait a minute.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know you're regular, but what happens if
Speaker 3: you're at a conference?
Speaker 1: Don't shit? You don't shit. I will not shit if
Speaker 1: there's not a shower available. You know that one day
Speaker 1: you're going to Mount Na. We have an arrangement, mean
Speaker 1: my bow have an arrangement. Patrick. Tell people how they
Speaker 1: can find you, follow you, connect with you, please. I
Speaker 1: don't even know to go with that.
Speaker 3: You can websites noow dot com dot au is a
Speaker 3: website for one of my businesses, and you can kind
Speaker 3: of connect with me. And the other thing I was
Speaker 3: going to say is if you want us to talk
Speaker 3: about a specific topic and get me to research it,
Speaker 3: either jump onto the Facebook of typ and send a
Speaker 3: message or just message me at websites noow dot com
Speaker 3: TODAYU because I would love to deep dive into something
Speaker 3: that you might be interested in. Because we kind of
Speaker 3: you know, we talk amongst ourselves. I come up with
Speaker 3: a list, we sometimes look at it, we sometimes don't
Speaker 3: look at it. But that'd be cool. So if you
Speaker 3: want to send a message just to give us something
Speaker 3: to talk about anytime, even if.
Speaker 1: You've got a specific to you question about tech. And
Speaker 1: it might seem a little selfish, but there's a fair
Speaker 1: chance that if you want that answer, someone else wants
Speaker 1: it as well. All right, mate, you're the best. We'll
Speaker 1: say goodbye affair, but thanks again. Buddy, Yeah goodness. Chat