WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 26 June

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<v Speaker 1>From the sky Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Cherry.

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<v Speaker 1>Enjoyed time with that beautiful family of yours all right now,

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<v Speaker 1>last night I went on a little bit of a limit.

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<v Speaker 1>I showed you a whole bunch of examples of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that I think is really dumb when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>how political communication is working, particularly on social media. Most

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<v Speaker 1>of it starts on TikTok, but a lot of it

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<v Speaker 1>is coming up and getting reborn in your real section

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<v Speaker 1>of your Instagram. Now there is a chance that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>this is just my feed and I've got a little

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<v Speaker 1>too lost in some of this stuff, but it seems

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<v Speaker 1>pretty dumb, like literally trying to pretend that family guy

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<v Speaker 1>characters have an opinion on which way you should or

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't vote in the Tasmanian election. The absolute abuse that

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<v Speaker 1>was there forwards Peter Dutton in the federal election. And

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<v Speaker 1>I got a huge number of people who sent me

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<v Speaker 1>an email and you can always send me one Paul

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<v Speaker 1>at skynews dot com dot au who agreed and then

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<v Speaker 1>had their own examples of their own concerns about the

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<v Speaker 1>type of political discussion that is being pumped out to

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<v Speaker 1>try to in many ways, go around the media and

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<v Speaker 1>just try to simplify things into really good guys and

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<v Speaker 1>bad guys. But the reality is that the world is

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more complicated than that. For example, a Queensland

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<v Speaker 1>budget now in it is of course a whole series

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<v Speaker 1>of priorities and decisions and move a little money here,

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<v Speaker 1>spend a little more there about things like hospitals and

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<v Speaker 1>police and education, because of course state government is where

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<v Speaker 1>so much of the rubber hits the road in actually

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with the everyday problems. A lot of federal politics

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes sounds like state politics because the stuff they are

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<v Speaker 1>responsible for ends up in the two hard basket. But

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<v Speaker 1>an example of again what I think is the not

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<v Speaker 1>even dumbing DWM, but just the stupid, not even dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with the detail or the bare minimum detail of the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that we should demand of the people who write

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<v Speaker 1>our laws or hold those people to account, was several

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<v Speaker 1>Queensland Labor MPs who couldn't be by the dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>any of the details inside the Queensland budget. Instead they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to complain about the color of the books of

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<v Speaker 1>the budget. Now, this is about as dumb as it

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<v Speaker 1>can get when it comes to what did you think

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<v Speaker 1>of the state budget.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is our.

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<v Speaker 3>State budget blue?

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<v Speaker 2>It was supposed to be marone.

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<v Speaker 3>Why is the LMP trying to rebrand the whole of

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<v Speaker 3>Queenslander's Blue the state of origin season blue budget?

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<v Speaker 4>Eh?

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<v Speaker 1>And when we were working on the show tonight, I

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<v Speaker 1>was having a chat with the team and I started

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<v Speaker 1>to also talk about the attitudes that we have to

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<v Speaker 1>big and complicated problems. Now often we talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>too hard basket and people know what that means. We

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<v Speaker 1>know what the never never money is. But I had

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<v Speaker 1>one of those little moments where they were sort of

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<v Speaker 1>lost in transation generational moment when I referred to the

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<v Speaker 1>terms she'll be right, and my wonderful, talented, passionate team

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know where that had come from. So let me

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<v Speaker 1>do a version on TV about a conversation we had

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<v Speaker 1>in the offices a little bit earlier today. So what

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<v Speaker 1>does slim Dusty have in common with its degenerational debt,

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<v Speaker 1>climate change, the failure to get good school results, and

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<v Speaker 1>the number of people who are being assaulted in our

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<v Speaker 1>communities each and every day. Well, it goes back to

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<v Speaker 1>one of his most famous songs, which was about She'll

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<v Speaker 1>be right Now. For those who use this term have

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<v Speaker 1>heard it from their parents or grandparents. You know what

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<v Speaker 1>she'll be right means. But for those who don't, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's plenty, including many that will be watching us on

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<v Speaker 1>the internet or YouTube's later than the live program that's

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<v Speaker 1>going out right now, she'll be right essentially is don't

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<v Speaker 1>worry about it. It'll all be okay one day. Eventually

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<v Speaker 1>everything will be put right. It's not as bad as

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<v Speaker 1>it seems. The musical version of this is Slim Dusty

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<v Speaker 1>singing his song about she'll be right mate, bear with me,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a point coming still very right mate, shell, very

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<v Speaker 1>right right. So the idea that she'll be right, it'll

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<v Speaker 1>work out eventually is an attitude that is fundamental to

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<v Speaker 1>many Australians, which is to not get overwhelmed by problems.

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<v Speaker 1>But also it's if you put the work in, you

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<v Speaker 1>put the effort in, that eventually the problems that are

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<v Speaker 1>there now can be fixed. And certainly when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to the priorities of modern governments. A perfect example where

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<v Speaker 1>she'll be right is not the accepted way to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with an area of public policy is the issues in

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<v Speaker 1>and around climate change. Now, multiple governments, multiple generations now

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<v Speaker 1>of political conversation has been in and around this issue.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reality is that she'll be right. It'll all

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<v Speaker 1>work itself out. Sometimes people take to the streets or

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<v Speaker 1>the water doing stupid things when it comes to protests,

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<v Speaker 1>but certainly in terms of governments, they're not just sitting

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<v Speaker 1>back and saying, sure, we're one percent of the world's problem,

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<v Speaker 1>she'll be right. The reality is we have to do

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<v Speaker 1>our bit for the one percent. Now I think we

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<v Speaker 1>do probably a little more than the one percent problem

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<v Speaker 1>that exists considering China is the actual problem littlone, the

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<v Speaker 1>slave labor that they use to put into the very

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<v Speaker 1>things that we consider to be the solution to the

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<v Speaker 1>problem that we can't just let be She'll be right.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reality of that is power bills go through

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<v Speaker 1>the roof. That's just the reality is you move from

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<v Speaker 1>the technology that has worked for decades to the one

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<v Speaker 1>that they fingers cross hope will work to decades into

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<v Speaker 1>the future. The reality of building that technology is hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of billions of dollars, nay close to a trillion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>So the attitude on that public policy area is she'll

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<v Speaker 1>be right is not an okay way to deal with things.

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<v Speaker 1>Because despite the fact that the reality of our problem

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<v Speaker 1>is that one hundred percent of our problem is one

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the global problem, she'll be right is not

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<v Speaker 1>an acceptable position to take, But funnily enough, she'll be

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<v Speaker 1>right is something that we are too often willing to

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<v Speaker 1>sit with when it comes to problems that are even

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<v Speaker 1>more immediate than things like climate change. For some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>state and federal government does take the attitude of she'll

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<v Speaker 1>be right, mate about things like assaults. Now, nobody says

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<v Speaker 1>assault is okay, But think about how we are dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with one percent of the world's climate problems versus the

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<v Speaker 1>public debate and conversation that we have about actually bringing

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<v Speaker 1>crime down, not by a little bit, but trying to

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<v Speaker 1>wipe it out. Now we know that certain crimes, the

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<v Speaker 1>public discourse and the public conversation is we must bring

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<v Speaker 1>it down to zero cases of offense is no victims,

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<v Speaker 1>no people that are the perpetrators. But the reality of

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<v Speaker 1>crime in Australia is far close, far too close to

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<v Speaker 1>she'll be right, as opposed to let's do everything we

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<v Speaker 1>can to change the problem. I say this because today

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<v Speaker 1>the Australian Bureau of Statistics released some crime numbers into

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<v Speaker 1>the financial year of twenty twenty three twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the number of people who police accused

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<v Speaker 1>of committing a crime. The problem is, despite the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that there are three hundred and forty thousand, six hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and eighty one people in just one year in Australia

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<v Speaker 1>who were accused by police of committing a crime, it

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<v Speaker 1>is not vastly higher or vastly lower than it was

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<v Speaker 1>the year before, the year before that, the year before that,

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<v Speaker 1>the year before that, the year before that, the year

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<v Speaker 1>before that. Instead, it's all basically the same number. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>certain categories and certain states can be spikes, particularly on

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<v Speaker 1>things youth crime. But because it's in and around between

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<v Speaker 1>three and four hundred thousand each and every year, that

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<v Speaker 1>she'll be right of it all is fingers cross. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't happen to you. As long as those numbers stay

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<v Speaker 1>kind of where they were last year, than it's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reality is that, yes, even in a country

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<v Speaker 1>with twenty seven twenty eight million people, there's still three

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<v Speaker 1>and a bit mcgs that you could feel with people

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<v Speaker 1>who are accused of committing a crime each and every year.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is that okay? Why is that number Okay, why

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<v Speaker 1>is that number not being shoved down with the massive

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<v Speaker 1>public resources that we would deal with things like one

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the climate change problem? Are you with me here?

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<v Speaker 1>When you actually break down some of these stats, about

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<v Speaker 1>a third of all of those crimes were people who

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<v Speaker 1>committed acts that intended to cause injury. So that is

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<v Speaker 1>still ten of thousands, nay, almost a little over somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>between one hundred and one hundred and fifty thousand people

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<v Speaker 1>who if they committed a crime, means there was at

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<v Speaker 1>least one victim on the other side of it. Why

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<v Speaker 1>is that she'll be right way? Fourteen percent when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to a list of drug offenses, ten percent when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to theft, and ten percent of the three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and forty thousand were public order offenses. But all

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<v Speaker 1>of that together is still not one hundred percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the problems about sixty one percent. But when these numbers

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<v Speaker 1>came out today that three hundred and forty thousand people

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<v Speaker 1>had committed a crime or six hundred well sorry, or

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<v Speaker 1>another three hundred and forty thousand people were the victims

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<v Speaker 1>of a crime, was that anywhere in the six PM

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<v Speaker 1>news tonight? Was that the lead story? No? Because dare

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<v Speaker 1>I say the attitude is she'll be right, and we

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<v Speaker 1>won't be the same number of panel conversations on television,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone government money alone, laws, let alone. Public attitudes

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<v Speaker 1>should be as aggressive about interpersonal violence as it is

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<v Speaker 1>about intergenerational issues such as the health of the planet.

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<v Speaker 1>And remember where one percent of the world's problem. Another

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<v Speaker 1>example of when she'll be right made is seemingly okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It's when politicians win elections because we the voters love

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<v Speaker 1>the F word, and I'm not talking about the one

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<v Speaker 1>the President used this week pre public.

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<v Speaker 3>Transport free, free, free, free, through free, through free, three free.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course nothing is free. Someone somewhere is providing

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<v Speaker 1>a service. The service costs money, and we learned today

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<v Speaker 1>again vice excellent reporting about the size of the bill

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<v Speaker 1>that is coming to our generations when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>everything being free. The federal budget this year tells us

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<v Speaker 1>that we are already in a trillion dollars worth of debt.

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<v Speaker 1>Next year it'll be one point h nine trillion, Then

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<v Speaker 1>it'll be one point one trillion a men by twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight, twenty twenty nine, so fiscally speaking, within four

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<v Speaker 1>years will be at one point two Tee for trillion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in debt, and that's just the federal government, another

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<v Speaker 1>massive source of debt that we are handing on to

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<v Speaker 1>our next generation. And if again, the theory is we

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<v Speaker 1>must go all in on dealing with climate change because

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<v Speaker 1>what is not done now will be passed on to

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<v Speaker 1>the future generations, why does this not apply to the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of debt that we hand on to future generations.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I'll give you the tip. She'll be right, mate,

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<v Speaker 1>turns one billion into one trillion, and one trillion into

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<v Speaker 1>two and three and four. And while I'm not suggesting

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<v Speaker 1>we're about to be Greece anytime soon. In Victoria, in

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<v Speaker 1>their top five things that they spend their money on

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<v Speaker 1>in their state budget, I think number three, bigger than

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<v Speaker 1>some government departments, is paying off debt. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>keep running a budget deficit, all you do is add

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<v Speaker 1>to the previous budget deficit, which is the overall amount

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<v Speaker 1>of debt, which of course will eventually be paid over

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<v Speaker 1>time by future generations. So why is the logic about

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<v Speaker 1>climate change urgency not being applied to this again? Today

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<v Speaker 1>reporting about state budgets and state budgets are in a

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<v Speaker 1>world of financial pain this week we got budgets in

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<v Speaker 1>New South Wales and in Queensland we've already got one

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<v Speaker 1>from Victoria, and even one from the local council known

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<v Speaker 1>as the Act. I'll have a little more to say

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<v Speaker 1>about that, believe it or right at the moment or

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<v Speaker 1>two's time. But in the Financial Review today they actually

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<v Speaker 1>divvied up the amount of money that all of the

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<v Speaker 1>different state governments owe the rest of the world, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is almost a trillion dollars themselves. So you've got

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<v Speaker 1>a federal government in a trillion up to one point

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<v Speaker 1>two trillion dollars worth of debt, and you've got state

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<v Speaker 1>governments going from nine hundred billion on their way up

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<v Speaker 1>towards a trillion on their own. Of course, that makes

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<v Speaker 1>two trillion dollars. Yet no urgency anywhere to deal with this,

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<v Speaker 1>with the same public policy urgency as there would be

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<v Speaker 1>something like climate change. Again, can I read from the

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<v Speaker 1>Financial Review for you? The state government grows debt will

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<v Speaker 1>surge past nine hundred billion by the end of the decade,

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<v Speaker 1>more than triple the pre pandemic levels. As premier struggle

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<v Speaker 1>to reign in burgeoning infrastructure programs and cut back on

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<v Speaker 1>cost of living support and public ser wages. State government

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<v Speaker 1>debt has increased one hundred and fifty percent since twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen to six hundred and sixty one billion dollars, prompting

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<v Speaker 1>warnings from credit ratings agencies and calls for economists for

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<v Speaker 1>premiers to reduce their spending. If you prefer things in

0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:20.600
<v Speaker 1>chart form, here's an example. You can have a look

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<v Speaker 1>for your state. The blue is the current number, the

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<v Speaker 1>red is where it is going to be in a

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<v Speaker 1>few years time. So it's about two hundred billion in Victoria,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's going to go to more than a quarter

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<v Speaker 1>of a billion dollars in just that one state. Quarter

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<v Speaker 1>of attrillion. I should say the same. Of course New

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<v Speaker 1>South Wales. You can see what's happening in Queensland and

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<v Speaker 1>even in the Northern Territory, their debt is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be eighteen billion dollars. So if you turned around and

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<v Speaker 1>you grabbed a calculator like Saul Eslake did the Independent economist,

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<v Speaker 1>guess what you will end up finding out that the

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<v Speaker 1>Independent economist saw les Lake said the situation in which

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<v Speaker 1>state and federal government debts per capital stood at eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars, the net debt per capita was forty five thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and eighty three dollars. So that's per every

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<v Speaker 1>individual federal government state government debt right now, forty five grand.

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<v Speaker 1>And as we continue to have more deficits than we

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<v Speaker 1>will have surpluses, forty five becomes fifty, fifty five becomes

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<v Speaker 1>sixty the frog in the pot. So could somebody please

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<v Speaker 1>explain to me how she'll be right? Is the acceptable

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<v Speaker 1>attitude to the debt that we rack up in a

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<v Speaker 1>country like Australia, because it's not if she'll be right

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<v Speaker 1>is not an acceptable attitude on climate change? How is

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<v Speaker 1>she'll be right an okay attitude when it comes to debt?

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<v Speaker 1>How is it okay that in the most recent napland

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<v Speaker 1>results just one in three students we're not meeting or

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<v Speaker 1>should I say one in three students we're not meeting

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<v Speaker 1>the basic literacy and numeracy expectations. As slim Dusty sang,

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<v Speaker 1>she right, sheer, but it won't be. You can't have

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<v Speaker 1>a generation when a third of those kids, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>been like this for a decade, are not able to

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<v Speaker 1>meet the basic standards of education. That's our failure. It's

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<v Speaker 1>also our failure that almost three million Ozzies are this

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<v Speaker 1>close to homelessness that three point four million Australian households

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<v Speaker 1>will have run out of food by a Thursday each

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<v Speaker 1>and every week. She'll be right mate is not an

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<v Speaker 1>okay thing, but for some reason it keeps being okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay on crime, it's okay on poor schools, it's

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<v Speaker 1>okay when it comes to poverty. But if it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of change, it must be dealt with. It must be

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<v Speaker 1>dealt with absolutely urgently, all guns blazing. But the bit

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<v Speaker 1>that people forget about She'll be right mate is that

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<v Speaker 1>when you actually listen to the song from which many

0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:24.320
<v Speaker 1>people know the term, the reality of why you can

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<v Speaker 1>say She'll be right mate is because people with their

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<v Speaker 1>backs to the wall in this country work their backsides

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<v Speaker 1>off to fix the problem. Here is the longer version

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<v Speaker 1>of the song. I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 5>That you.

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<v Speaker 1>Just me? Or do you doubt that airbus Elbow is

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<v Speaker 1>going to have the sense of his back to the

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<v Speaker 1>wall and giving us all No. He and the political

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<v Speaker 1>class have got four pay rises since he became the

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<v Speaker 1>Prime minister. He and his ministers look like they will

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<v Speaker 1>govern for a very long time. So will they feel

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<v Speaker 1>any urgency on schools, on crime, on poverty, or will

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<v Speaker 1>it only be on climate change because that is seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing that they think should be right. Mate,

0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:35.240
<v Speaker 1>is not the right attitude to have. Now, Yes, this

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<v Speaker 1>week things have come to an end in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>Israel and Iran, and that is in my view because

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<v Speaker 1>the President drew a line and he's trying to hold

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<v Speaker 1>everyone to the line of the ceasefire. Now again, we're

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<v Speaker 1>on near a couple of days in and I certainly

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<v Speaker 1>hope that we'll still be in the same place by

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<v Speaker 1>this time next week. But it is not all over

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of the Australians who are caught up in

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<v Speaker 1>this in either of those countries. In fact, according to

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<v Speaker 1>news dot com dot Au today, evacuations are difficult, specifically

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<v Speaker 1>from the country of Iran, and there are more than

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<v Speaker 1>four thousand people that are registered in both Iran and

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<v Speaker 1>Israel who would like to come home. These are not

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<v Speaker 1>people who want to be citizens. These are not people

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<v Speaker 1>who want protection visas. These are citizens of this country

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<v Speaker 1>who were in Israel or in Iran for any reason

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<v Speaker 1>why any of us would be in any other country

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<v Speaker 1>from a holiday to visiting their families and they have

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<v Speaker 1>every right to come back and to come back with safety.

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<v Speaker 1>It does seem that there are more people who are

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to come back from Iran than come back from Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>And according to the ABC, they profiled a series of

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<v Speaker 1>people about this today. Nay said that Francis is one

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<v Speaker 1>of around three thousand Australians and their families that are

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<v Speaker 1>registered with the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade for

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<v Speaker 1>the assistants to leave almost two weeks after the Israeli

0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:09.520
<v Speaker 1>bombings were falling in the capital of Tehran. So yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad there's a cease fire. I loved that the

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<v Speaker 1>President of the United States was throwing f bombs around

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<v Speaker 1>to calm things down. But if you think it's over,

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<v Speaker 1>there are the very least four thousand Australians who would

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<v Speaker 1>like to come home. I hope that just because this

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<v Speaker 1>thing will slowly move its way off the front page,

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<v Speaker 1>that the urgency of the government to get those people

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<v Speaker 1>out does not fade now. I said over and over

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<v Speaker 1>again during the federal election that your preferences matter. Your

0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:40.440
<v Speaker 1>preferences matter, because with a third of the country voting blue,

0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:43.520
<v Speaker 1>a third of the country voting red, there was a

0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:46.080
<v Speaker 1>third of the country who probably weren't going to get

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<v Speaker 1>who they wanted, which was somebody other than red or blue.

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<v Speaker 1>So what you do with your number two matters. And

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<v Speaker 1>again I want to pay tribute to the work that's

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<v Speaker 1>been done by the Australian Financial Review who actually, along

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<v Speaker 1>with a bunch of other academics, went through and had

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<v Speaker 1>a look at how the different preferences broke down. Now

0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:09.840
<v Speaker 1>we know the government did not have enough votes to

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<v Speaker 1>form government on its own. It only got to where

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<v Speaker 1>it was going because of preferences. So again, as I

0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:17.520
<v Speaker 1>said about something else this week, they may well have

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<v Speaker 1>ninety four seats, and they may well have what looks

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<v Speaker 1>like electoral support that's a mile wide, but the reality

0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.560
<v Speaker 1>is it's an inch deep. This is what they had

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<v Speaker 1>a look at where they had to look at. Say now,

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<v Speaker 1>red votes start out as red votes and end as

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<v Speaker 1>red votes. Blue votes start out as blue votes and

0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:37.560
<v Speaker 1>end as blue votes. Green votes mostly go to the

0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Labor Party. Orange votes in terms of one nation, they

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<v Speaker 1>of course go to the Liberal Party. But there were

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<v Speaker 1>some fascinating things that they were able to work out

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of Green's preferences. Can you believe there's almost

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<v Speaker 1>twelve percent of people who walk into a ballot box

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<v Speaker 1>and say I want the Greens to be the government.

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<v Speaker 1>And if they can't be the government, I want the Libs.

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<v Speaker 1>Eighty eight percent of their supporter base goes to Labor.

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<v Speaker 1>But who are these almost twelve percent of Greens. So

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<v Speaker 1>if they can't have the Greens, if they can't have

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Hanson Young, they wanted Peter Dutton. In terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the people who vote for the so called independence, sixty

0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:26.439
<v Speaker 1>seven percent of their preferences went to Labor, a third

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<v Speaker 1>went back to the Liberal or National Party. Remember I

0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:33.399
<v Speaker 1>told you one of the differences between the twenty twenty

0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:36.120
<v Speaker 1>two election in the twenty nineteen election was where one

0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:39.120
<v Speaker 1>nation preferences went. If they go fifty fifty, the Libs

0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:40.680
<v Speaker 1>were in a world of trouble. But the Lib's vote

0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:46.600
<v Speaker 1>was already down. But three quarters of people who voted

0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:50.920
<v Speaker 1>one nation decided to send their preferences to the Libs.

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<v Speaker 1>But a quarter of people who said, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>Pauline Hanson number one, albow number two. And in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of the trumpet of patriot, could somebody please tell me

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<v Speaker 1>how anyone who was voting for the Trumpian net zero

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<v Speaker 1>is terrible that a third of those people preferenced labor.

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<v Speaker 1>Fascinating to see, isn't it about exactly where the preferences

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<v Speaker 1>ended up going. Now again, it's not challenging the result.

0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:21.480
<v Speaker 1>It's not pretending something is weird here. It's just could

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<v Speaker 1>somebody please explain to me? And if you are one

0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:26.120
<v Speaker 1>of these people, can you send me an email? Are

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<v Speaker 1>you somebody who voted number one for the Greens, but

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<v Speaker 1>then when you know, what, if I can't have the Greens,

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<v Speaker 1>I want the lips. Are you somebody who voted for

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<v Speaker 1>the trumpets, the Palmer people who wanted Albow, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>get it. I'd love to know if you're one of them. Though.

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<v Speaker 1>It also gives us a real indication as we start

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<v Speaker 1>to read the polls about how those will be weighted

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<v Speaker 1>over the next three years. Send men Ema paults Gunews

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<v Speaker 1>dot com dot au. Another thing worth mentioning after that

0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:55.800
<v Speaker 1>federal election was, of course the over and over and

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<v Speaker 1>you know you saw that how many times and you

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<v Speaker 1>heard this how many times.

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<v Speaker 3>Medicare, Medicare, Medicare, Medicare, Medicare, Medicare, and the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 3>specifically saying.

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<v Speaker 1>All they need is this their Medicare card. Well, we

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<v Speaker 1>learn this week that the Local Council otherwise known as

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<v Speaker 1>the Australian Capital Territory Government, which is a majority labor government,

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<v Speaker 1>that you'll need your credit card as well if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to go to a hospital. They made an announcement

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<v Speaker 1>this week that every single rate payer in the Act

0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:36.719
<v Speaker 1>is now going to have to pay two hundred and

0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:44.119
<v Speaker 1>fifty dollars to be able to access a hospital. The

0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.720
<v Speaker 1>tax slug included a new annual two hundred and fifty

0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:50.879
<v Speaker 1>dollars health levy which we added to rates bills paid

0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:55.239
<v Speaker 1>by residential, commercial and rural property owners. It will raise

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and five million dollars over the next four years.

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<v Speaker 1>Quick out of the gauge is the Shadow Health Minister

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:03.280
<v Speaker 1>and Rushton, who said, among other things that the Act

0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:05.719
<v Speaker 1>is two hundred and fifty dollars tacks essentially is a

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:09.040
<v Speaker 1>co payment for the use of the city's two public hospitals.

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<v Speaker 1>It was outrageous because of so much lecturing from Labor

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<v Speaker 1>during the campaign that you only need your Medicare card.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes a mockery of Anthony Aberinesi's claims that all

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<v Speaker 1>you need to access healthcare is a Medicare card. When

0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:26.679
<v Speaker 1>confronted about this little asterisk that essentially the policy of

0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the federal government was being undermined by the Act government,

0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Mark Butler said at the end of the day that

0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:36.160
<v Speaker 1>government is accountable to the good Burghers of the Act

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<v Speaker 1>for the decisions that they take in their budget. Or

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<v Speaker 1>she'll be right. A couple of other quick things to mention.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to all feel old together? Let's hold hands.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifteen years this week since Julia Gillard became Australia's first

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:56.639
<v Speaker 1>female Prime minister. Can you believe that in twenty ten

0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:59.679
<v Speaker 1>those dramatic days I remember sitting as being part of

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:06.639
<v Speaker 1>the live coverage was also bizarre. But literally this weekend, sorry,

0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:10.639
<v Speaker 1>this week just passed fifteen years since Julia Gillard was

0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:14.600
<v Speaker 1>sworn in as Prime minister. Now, for those who, of

0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:17.879
<v Speaker 1>course don't really care about their history, this will be

0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 1>particularly offensive for those of you who do. Never forget

0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:24.919
<v Speaker 1>that if her finest moment was the misogyny speech, Remember

0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:28.160
<v Speaker 1>it was in defense of Peter Slipper, who had said

0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:33.960
<v Speaker 1>the most grotesque things about the female form. And that

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<v Speaker 1>for all of the carrying on about how evil Tony

0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Abbott was for denying us the first female prime minister,

0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:40.960
<v Speaker 1>the one who actually undermined her, the one who actually

0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:44.320
<v Speaker 1>stabbed her in the back, is the bloke they put

0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:49.560
<v Speaker 1>back in the job, whose deputy Prime Minister is Anthony Albernezi.

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:57.520
<v Speaker 1>And finally Bret Sutton. Remember Bret Sutton, the former Chief

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<v Speaker 1>Health Officer of Victoria. Somebody who who was there all

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:04.760
<v Speaker 1>the way through, just nodding and agreeing with every stupid

0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:06.960
<v Speaker 1>decision that Daniel Andrews had made, all the way through

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:10.159
<v Speaker 1>those COVID briefings, was more than happy for Victoria to

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 1>be the most lockdown location in the country, for Melbourne

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 1>to be the most lockdown city in the world. The

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:20.119
<v Speaker 1>bloke who told us that we had to deny people

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 1>being able to go outside, especially into things like playgrounds,

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:27.879
<v Speaker 1>and we had to have curfews because people were selfish

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:30.439
<v Speaker 1>for going outside. This was the bloke who gave a

0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:33.760
<v Speaker 1>scientific tick to stupidity like.

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<v Speaker 6>That playgrounds are closed. Again a difficult decision. It affects

0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 6>my family, it affects thousands and thousands of families across Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 6>But as I said yesterday, the reality is there's a

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<v Speaker 6>risk of transmission in those settings.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he now works for the CSIRO. And we learned

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<v Speaker 1>this week that Bret Sutton, the bloke who was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to say there was something scientific about the stupidity of

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<v Speaker 1>banning people from being outside, when we knew way back

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<v Speaker 1>there and even five years ago that being outside was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the least dangerous places to be. The reality

0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:10.960
<v Speaker 1>was being inside in confines that was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>more of a problem. And he gave a tick to

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:16.159
<v Speaker 1>that sort of nonsense, didn't stand there and call it

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<v Speaker 1>out as bs of the time. Well, he has a

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<v Speaker 1>new cause that he is involved with, and we turn

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<v Speaker 1>to the Age to read about this. For years, Brett

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<v Speaker 1>Sutton lived on the front lines, Victoria's former chief health officer,

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<v Speaker 1>has scars and death threats to prove it. And now

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<v Speaker 1>he's trying to do something about it by attempting to

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<v Speaker 1>launch what he hopes will be a big new player

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<v Speaker 1>in Australia's science sector, a Coalition for Trust in Science. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>People want to know what is real and what is

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<v Speaker 1>not real, says Sutton, who was now director of the

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<v Speaker 1>csio's Health and Biosecurity Research Unit. I think we're all

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<v Speaker 1>stronger by working together. Well, Brett, well, I agree with

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<v Speaker 1>you that we must follow the science. You stood there

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<v Speaker 1>and clapped on decisions that had nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 1>science and everything to do with control, and everything to

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<v Speaker 1>do with keeping people locked in their houses. In the

0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 1>case of the poorest of the kids, they were locked

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<v Speaker 1>in with their abuses, they didn't go to school, and

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<v Speaker 1>even five years later, some of those people have never

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<v Speaker 1>been back to school. So yes, would I like to

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<v Speaker 1>see a coalition for trust in science? Sure? Do I

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<v Speaker 1>think that the bloke who stood next to the north

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:36.760
<v Speaker 1>faced jacket man and agreed with every decision he made

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:42.160
<v Speaker 1>publicly should be the front person of that No? Can

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<v Speaker 1>you know what you think? You can always send me

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<v Speaker 1>an email, Paul. It's gonews dot com dot au quick

0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 1>break back with more who's the winner and loser of

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 1>the week? You can jump ont of the socials and

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 1>tell us, Or maybe you're just seeing She'll be right

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:52.320
<v Speaker 1>for the rest of the night. I know it's in

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<v Speaker 1>my head. Thank you so much for watching. I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>pleased we got too great mates to wrap up our

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<v Speaker 1>week here before the late debate in about half an

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<v Speaker 1>hour's time, none other than the wonderful Joe Hildebrand here

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<v Speaker 1>in the man caversh Bless you.

0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:09.840
<v Speaker 3>It is an honor to serve sir.

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<v Speaker 1>You can hear his podcast and all the places you

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 1>normally find a podcast. Their names are Joe.

0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:18.200
<v Speaker 3>The Real Story with Joe Hildebrand and another new one

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:19.600
<v Speaker 3>which is for the Record.

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<v Speaker 1>Fo you are get out in Blackwell.

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:24.040
<v Speaker 3>Where he asked me four questions about the biggest yarn

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<v Speaker 3>of the weeks.

0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Lisa God. It will help you out with a bit

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:28.400
<v Speaker 1>of crisis management if you want it with the dony media,

0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:30.520
<v Speaker 1>but plenty of other things, and these us in Canberra.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you doing in Canberra? But are you there

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<v Speaker 1>to help?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm always here to help all Now I'm done doing

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<v Speaker 4>some media training, but I can tell you it is

0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:39.760
<v Speaker 4>freezing down here, so I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy to be in studio. She'll be right, it'll be

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<v Speaker 2>a Queenslander.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, bloody oath, bloody oaths. I've got your mate down

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<v Speaker 1>from the Sunny coast staying with us at the moment

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 1>and going why did I come south? God? To love

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:53.880
<v Speaker 1>your Queensland, best place to be in winter, well and

0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:56.400
<v Speaker 1>every other season as well. Now, a couple of things

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 1>have happened in the courts the past couple of days

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<v Speaker 1>which I thought we should have a little chitty chat

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<v Speaker 1>about which is about our rights at work. One of

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<v Speaker 1>these stories is a council worker. The council worker in Victoria,

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<v Speaker 1>a street sweeper I'm not a massive fan of the

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<v Speaker 1>welcome and acknowledgment to country, was apparently booted because of

0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 1>the failure to sufficiently kiss the ring. I guess what

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 1>gets his job back. And then, of course there was

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 1>the person who was hired strangely by the ABC, strangely

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<v Speaker 1>in the lead up to Christmas, strangely, and they decided,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the fact she was only there for a week,

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<v Speaker 1>that it all must end. And then, of course we

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<v Speaker 1>all know the saga that goes on. But essentially, as

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Chris Merritt wrote in The Australian Today, it may well

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<v Speaker 1>set up the political president here or the legal president,

0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 1>which means your political views are not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>grounds for someone to lose their job. So, Joe, this

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<v Speaker 1>is very interesting because people in private sectors who may

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<v Speaker 1>well find little lines in their contracts that say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Joe, do not bring the company into distribute

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<v Speaker 1>with your social media behavior. Well, guess what if it's

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<v Speaker 1>about your political opinions, you might.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a really interesting way I think, firstly, we

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<v Speaker 3>have to be pretty careful before we start, you know,

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 3>piling on on someone who was sacked in inverted comments

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 3>because she was just there as a casual but from

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<v Speaker 3>a job for expressing a political view. I think once

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<v Speaker 3>you start saying that's great when it happens to someone else,

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<v Speaker 3>but if it happens to me, it's an infringement of

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<v Speaker 3>free speech.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I hope that has been said, Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>it can't be sec.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly right. But at the same time, that doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>mean that it doesn't also, as Chris Merritt said, set

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<v Speaker 3>a precedent for activists becoming utterly insufferable in the workplace.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think this is this is where we actually

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<v Speaker 3>have to look at this issue in a much broader way.

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<v Speaker 3>The problem is not that these people and I work

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<v Speaker 3>with Antonette and a Channel ten and she's a lovely

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<v Speaker 3>person and everything, and I'm never happy when Jerno's gets sacked.

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<v Speaker 3>But the problem is not that people say these things.

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<v Speaker 3>The problem is that they think these things. The reason

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<v Speaker 3>why people are all up in arms about what Antoninette

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<v Speaker 3>did or didn't post or whatever, or that she carries

0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 3>on about Palestine, it's because they disagree with her. Right now,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm obviously a boring, pragmatic kind of moderate who thinks

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:10.520
<v Speaker 3>we need.

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<v Speaker 1>To all find them. Can't we just a compromise? Can't

0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 1>we can't everyone get along?

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<v Speaker 3>But again, what the ABC does? The problem is the

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<v Speaker 3>ABC should, in many ways, should never have hired her.

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<v Speaker 3>If they truly believe that their staff had to be

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<v Speaker 3>impartial and couldn't be political. Then hiring someone who is

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<v Speaker 3>clearly extremely passionate about Palestine and extremely active about it

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<v Speaker 3>on social media and will not shut up about it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't mean that in a derogatory way, don't

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 3>hire them. But also if you don't hire them, hire

0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:42.080
<v Speaker 3>someone who is impartial. So instead of hire so what

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<v Speaker 3>they do. The thing is that the ABC is run

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 3>by people like Antoinette for people like Antoinettes, and so

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:50.920
<v Speaker 3>hiring someone like that and saying, oh, but don't tell

0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 3>anyone you're a socialist, or don't tell anyone you're pro Palestine,

0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 3>or don't tell anyone you agreeen is bollocks. That's exactly

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<v Speaker 3>the wrong thing. What they should be doing is looking for,

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:04.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, boring pragmatic mainstream moderates like Mijoe Hildebrand. Yeah,

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 3>I say whatever because you know, yeah, you know it's

0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:11.719
<v Speaker 3>going to be reasonable or balanced or in line with

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:14.319
<v Speaker 3>mainstream Australia. That is what they cannot get right, and

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:16.560
<v Speaker 3>that's how they managed to stuff up what should have

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 3>been an unstuff uppable event.

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<v Speaker 1>At least. What I like here is that, of course

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 1>you are an employer, and no doubt we know that

0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:27.320
<v Speaker 1>things have got very difficult for many employers over a

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:30.000
<v Speaker 1>long period of time. About you know, look, even if

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<v Speaker 1>I catch you with your hand in the cookie jar,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to give you three warnings, and you've got

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:35.759
<v Speaker 1>to be caught three times, and you've got to make

0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:38.799
<v Speaker 1>sure that there's no other extenuating circumstances where oh she

0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:40.840
<v Speaker 1>only sacked me because I was a fat bloke with

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:43.239
<v Speaker 1>a beard, you know, or all of that garbage. So

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<v Speaker 1>what have you thought about these things in this week

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<v Speaker 1>where the council worker and not just the ABC of

0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 1>it all, but your rights to be political while employed somewhere?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think all of us looked at that council

0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:58.880
<v Speaker 4>worker story and we all felt for him because at

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 4>any point we've all meetings or we've attended events, and

0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:04.480
<v Speaker 4>at some point we have all, if you're honest, rolled

0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:06.399
<v Speaker 4>our eyes to say, here we go again with another

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:08.640
<v Speaker 4>welcome to country. So look, I think what was really

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 4>interesting about this one was the fact that it's come

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:13.920
<v Speaker 4>out tonight about the online training that he was supposed

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:14.480
<v Speaker 4>to have done.

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<v Speaker 2>And I believe it was a module on racism as well.

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<v Speaker 4>But his bosses have received so many notifications that he

0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:22.160
<v Speaker 4>hadn't yet done that training that while he was on

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:25.719
<v Speaker 4>holidays allegedly playing golf, his boss used his password and

0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:27.840
<v Speaker 4>went in and did that online training for him. So

0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 4>that was the falldown in this particular incident. But I

0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 4>think more broadly, we all questioned, we're sick of what

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:35.680
<v Speaker 4>is the point if you go onto a zoom meeting

0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:36.840
<v Speaker 4>now and you're going to have to sit through a

0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:39.439
<v Speaker 4>welcomed a country. So I think there's probably I think

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:41.520
<v Speaker 4>two thirds of people who responded to that news dot

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:45.439
<v Speaker 4>com survey about Welcomed a Country all said we've had enough.

0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 4>I think there are a lot of Australians quietly applauding

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:50.400
<v Speaker 4>this tonight. And as an employer, you know you have

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:52.279
<v Speaker 4>to be careful about what you allow in and out

0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 4>of your workplace.

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<v Speaker 1>The Prime Minister of course, speak of his powers. Parliament

0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:59.759
<v Speaker 1>has not even resumed yet. As much as those of

0:35:59.880 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 1>us would love to get as far into the three

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:04.480
<v Speaker 1>years as possible, the reality is we are just in

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:07.280
<v Speaker 1>these early days. Hence why in part I was talking

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 1>just again for information, so everyone was across about how

0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:13.759
<v Speaker 1>those preferences split up again the Greens voter, who did

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:16.800
<v Speaker 1>the twelve percent of Green's voters who put the coalition

0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:19.000
<v Speaker 1>as their number two. I want to meet you. I

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 1>want to know how you get there, because I'm fascinated

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:26.160
<v Speaker 1>about how that works. But the Prime Minister has made

0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:30.239
<v Speaker 1>a decision which is to remove the standard amount of

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:32.759
<v Speaker 1>staffing that would be there for a federal opposition, and

0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 1>has removed a significant number of staff from the cross

0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 1>bench in the Senate we're talking about, as James Ashby

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 1>when he was sitting in that seat was saying Joe

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 1>that despite the fact that one Nation has doubled the

0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:46.920
<v Speaker 1>number of senators from two to four, under these changes

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:49.279
<v Speaker 1>they will have exactly the same amount of staff as

0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:53.799
<v Speaker 1>when they had just two. Now, obviously, part of the

0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:56.840
<v Speaker 1>reasons why the fluffing was there when it came to

0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:59.359
<v Speaker 1>staff as in the last parliament, was because oh well,

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:00.920
<v Speaker 1>if we go an already government, we're going to need

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:03.879
<v Speaker 1>those people. Let's not offend anyone. Now, we're ninety four

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:06.520
<v Speaker 1>seats that will rule forever, so push them all out

0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:11.000
<v Speaker 1>of the way. Great, But I hate this because I

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:16.280
<v Speaker 1>want sitting down everyone. I want the Teals, the Greens,

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:20.200
<v Speaker 1>One Nation, the Liberal Party and the Parmy United Party

0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:22.799
<v Speaker 1>senator to have the maximum number of people that they're

0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:25.879
<v Speaker 1>allowed to come up with alternitive ideas to be able

0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:28.160
<v Speaker 1>to challenge your government. Otherwise we're going to end up

0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:31.200
<v Speaker 1>where Victoria's been for a long time Queensline has been

0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:33.480
<v Speaker 1>for a long time, which is, once you've got access

0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 1>to the full machine, it is just about robbing any

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 1>political opponent of the ability to be able to oppose you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, in principle, i'd probably agree with you.

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:46.880
<v Speaker 1>But because of elbow. Tell me why practice albow?

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:50.440
<v Speaker 3>Punishing the Teals and making them cry is like my

0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:55.040
<v Speaker 3>ultimate political spirit animal. This is what I was born to,

0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:58.239
<v Speaker 3>This is what I was born to immerse myself in,

0:37:58.280 --> 0:37:59.800
<v Speaker 3>and I absolutely love it because they have the biggest

0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:02.759
<v Speaker 3>bunch of sooks in the world, so entitled that rich

0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 3>they could hire staff is out of their own pocket

0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:08.160
<v Speaker 3>instead of charging it to the taxpayer. They've still got

0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:11.879
<v Speaker 3>like for each MP still has five staff. They've got

0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:14.680
<v Speaker 3>four for their electorate and they've got one just for

0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 3>parliamentary business. And there's enough flexibility to wiggle those around.

0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:24.560
<v Speaker 3>For example, Monique Ryan had Sally Rugg. Let's just never

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:25.520
<v Speaker 3>ever forget that.

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:27.360
<v Speaker 1>And never forget that Monique Writer has said in that

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:29.359
<v Speaker 1>court case that she could be Prime Minister.

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:30.799
<v Speaker 3>One, and she could be Prime Minister one. Let's never

0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:33.280
<v Speaker 3>forget that. And let's also never forget that Monique Ryan

0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:34.160
<v Speaker 3>is a doctor.

0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Doctors deserve more staff than normal people. Just the mister, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>you're winning me up, but you're winning again. Anything that

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<v Speaker 3>teals winge about I am reflexively in favor of. But

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<v Speaker 3>you do look, yeah, you do want to have. Given

0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:54.719
<v Speaker 3>that they are so insufferably sanctimonious and self entitled and

0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:56.640
<v Speaker 3>think that they're right about everything, it'd be great if

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<v Speaker 3>they've got a bit of extra frank and fearless advice

0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:01.200
<v Speaker 3>to tell them correct. But I don't think that.

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<v Speaker 1>But Lisa, I remember David crucif fully told me that

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<v Speaker 1>the entire staff of the Queensland Opposition when they were

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:10.320
<v Speaker 1>going up against that mega machine that was the Labor

0:39:10.320 --> 0:39:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Party with all of its staffing, who worked for the government,

0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:15.440
<v Speaker 1>worked for the party, worked for the unions, was twenty

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:19.200
<v Speaker 1>twenty people across the whole of the opposition. Now, how

0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 1>on goodness earth are you supposed to hold to be

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<v Speaker 1>across all of the issues and coming up with the

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:27.960
<v Speaker 1>alternative policies. It just in my view it should be

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<v Speaker 1>as close to a level playing field as possible. Obviously,

0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:32.520
<v Speaker 1>the people with the more seats a canna have more stuff,

0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:35.880
<v Speaker 1>no question right. But the idea that the opposition, depending

0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:39.000
<v Speaker 1>on the size of the opposition, will be robbed of

0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:41.800
<v Speaker 1>the smart people to come up with the alternative ideas

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<v Speaker 1>is bad for a democracy or am I just being asook?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it is bad for democracy.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you're in government and you are in the

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:51.760
<v Speaker 4>position that Albaneze's in, why would you give the others

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<v Speaker 4>a helping hand?

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:54.040
<v Speaker 2>Why would you make it easy for them?

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:56.800
<v Speaker 4>And as to Joe's point, the tears were all about

0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:58.160
<v Speaker 4>your fiscal responsibility.

0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, if Albaniz is now having his.

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<v Speaker 4>Own sort of doge moment and going through and cleaning

0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:05.560
<v Speaker 4>out the books and cutting staff, then the tills are

0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:07.080
<v Speaker 4>getting exactly what they want, aren't they?

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:08.440
<v Speaker 2>But I think what stinks.

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<v Speaker 4>About this is what Pauline Hanson pointed out, They should

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<v Speaker 4>not have learnt about this through the media. I think

0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 4>that was she described, I think as a dog act

0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:17.279
<v Speaker 4>and I think that is a really low point.

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa, fifteen years this week since Julia Gillard became Australia's

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<v Speaker 1>first female prime minister. Now having two beautiful little girls

0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:26.600
<v Speaker 1>who are in primary school right now, I know what

0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:29.640
<v Speaker 1>they're being told about Australia's first female prime minister, which

0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:33.560
<v Speaker 1>is nothing was wrong, everything was amazing, and evil men

0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 1>robbed her of the greatness that was the prime ministership.

0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:40.080
<v Speaker 1>But thinking on fifteen years later, what is the legacy

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<v Speaker 1>apart from the ndis of the first female prime minister

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:47.520
<v Speaker 1>or more importantly Julia Gillard as a prime minister?

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<v Speaker 4>And you mean apart from the fact that she gave

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.960
<v Speaker 4>us a reprieve from Rudd, right beyond that win that

0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:56.880
<v Speaker 4>we had there right correctly she is she's held.

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<v Speaker 2>Up as a female champion.

0:40:58.400 --> 0:41:01.400
<v Speaker 4>What I find interesting about this, there's so many of

0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:05.840
<v Speaker 4>the females who are out there with the weed come

0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:09.160
<v Speaker 4>come by our sort of feminist movement right behind Julia Gillard.

0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:11.279
<v Speaker 4>They don't ever look at any of the criticism at all,

0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:13.800
<v Speaker 4>And right now she is held up as a female champion.

0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:15.800
<v Speaker 4>But I'm not quite sure apart from being on the

0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:18.960
<v Speaker 4>talking circuit, what she's actually contributing. And a note in

0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:23.360
<v Speaker 4>Melbourne she's actually joining the world's Australia's largest women's summit.

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:25.399
<v Speaker 2>I think it is sort of leadership. But she's joining

0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:30.480
<v Speaker 2>as a hologram. So only three.

0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:34.600
<v Speaker 4>Thousand dollars for the ticket plus gst mind, jeez, that's

0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:35.959
<v Speaker 4>her lasting legacy at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Look the historic nature of it, there's no doubt, right

0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:40.759
<v Speaker 1>and then you know again what my little girls are

0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:43.439
<v Speaker 1>being taught. But just it's again, frankly, it's a little

0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:45.360
<v Speaker 1>bit like Whitlam, right, which is that a lot of

0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:47.879
<v Speaker 1>people sort of our age when learning about it, was, oh,

0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:49.279
<v Speaker 1>this prime minister just.

0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:52.680
<v Speaker 3>Robbed, robbed, the delibrated labor prime minister of all of

0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:56.040
<v Speaker 3>history and also the most spectacularly unseat who lost.

0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:58.240
<v Speaker 1>Two elections after he got the biscuit.

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:00.439
<v Speaker 3>I only managed to stay in power for was less

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:01.960
<v Speaker 3>than three years in total.

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:03.920
<v Speaker 1>And she's completely missing from the Gillard story lately, but

0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:06.520
<v Speaker 1>her own colleagues ended it anyway.

0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:09.040
<v Speaker 3>Having having said that's right, absolutely they did. So there's

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:10.720
<v Speaker 3>a couple of things to say. One is that Julia

0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:14.400
<v Speaker 3>Gillard is without a doubt the best ex prime minister

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:18.560
<v Speaker 3>we've had in Australia. She has risen up, she has

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:22.319
<v Speaker 3>risen above the partisan politics she is not. She did

0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:27.719
<v Speaker 3>not undermine her replacement. She walked away graciously and she

0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:30.440
<v Speaker 3>has behaved with more dignity than frankly, the rest of

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:32.000
<v Speaker 3>them combined, many of whom.

0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:33.320
<v Speaker 1>Are my friends.

0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 3>There is a buve the butt is that. And again

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:39.239
<v Speaker 3>in that time, if you ask what she's done, she

0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:43.840
<v Speaker 3>headed up a huge international organization promoting education for women

0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:47.799
<v Speaker 3>and girls, especially in countries that are incredibly oppressive and

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:52.359
<v Speaker 3>misogynistic like Iran. And she also was the chair of

0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:54.839
<v Speaker 3>Beyond Blue as well. There's a lot of fantastic work there.

0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:57.319
<v Speaker 3>So she's done a great job there and she would

0:42:57.320 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 3>have done much much more and been a much much

0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:03.520
<v Speaker 3>more scessful prime minister except for the fact of the

0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 3>way she came to power. And this is why I

0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:11.680
<v Speaker 3>had PTSD caused by the Labor Party as of twenty ten,

0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:16.320
<v Speaker 3>when almost exactly this time fifteen years ago, Julie Guard

0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:20.280
<v Speaker 3>Knife an elected first term prime minister with a mandate,

0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:23.399
<v Speaker 3>who was ahead in the pole and was lured into

0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:25.719
<v Speaker 3>doing this by supporters, and it robbed her of legitimacy.

0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 3>And that's a great shame for history.

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<v Speaker 1>And for all of the conversations about what happened in

0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:32.200
<v Speaker 1>the two thousand and twenty five election. Of the twenty

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:34.359
<v Speaker 1>twenty two election, the bloke who broke the Liberal Party

0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:36.560
<v Speaker 1>was Malcolm Turnbull, because if nothing else, the thing it

0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:38.319
<v Speaker 1>was different between the two of them was that they

0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 1>don't roll a sitting prime minister. But of course he

0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:42.759
<v Speaker 1>did that and then the real trouble began. All right,

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 1>quick break back with more here on Paul Murray Live,

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:46.719
<v Speaker 1>including who was the winner and loser of the week

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 1>more than a second. The wonderful Lisa god normally in

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:56.360
<v Speaker 1>Queensland with thed only media, but her skills and talents

0:43:56.400 --> 0:43:57.800
<v Speaker 1>take her to Canberra at the moment.

0:43:57.760 --> 0:43:58.640
<v Speaker 3>But a lucky woman.

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh look at it in winter.

0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Enjoy lucky.

0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:04.719
<v Speaker 1>And I know I'll always get complain to him of

0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:06.920
<v Speaker 1>some when I'm a bit dismissive of the act. You know,

0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 1>I know that there's about five hundred decent, centerous people left.

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:14.880
<v Speaker 3>But I know one d and fifty.

0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:16.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know, You're right.

0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Dinner with a few of them tonight, Paul, and.

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:20.640
<v Speaker 1>God love you all right, I know it's five thousand, okay.

0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:23.279
<v Speaker 1>And of course Joe Hildebrand, our college curates going News,

0:44:23.280 --> 0:44:25.120
<v Speaker 1>read him in the Daily Telegraph, him on the Nova

0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:28.200
<v Speaker 1>podcast platforms. So the bloke who most likely is going

0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:31.000
<v Speaker 1>to end up being the next mayor of New York,

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:35.840
<v Speaker 1>this guy hard left, right, hard left, unavowedly hard left,

0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 1>unavowedly openly socialist right and not hiding anything, and he

0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:45.400
<v Speaker 1>basically is the exact opposite of Donald Trump. Part of

0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:47.480
<v Speaker 1>the way that he was able to win. And by

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:49.719
<v Speaker 1>the way, there's like what eight million people who live

0:44:49.760 --> 0:44:52.680
<v Speaker 1>in and around the island. About less than a million

0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:56.239
<v Speaker 1>voted at all in this primary. But still, these were

0:44:56.239 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 1>some of the promises that he has been making. And

0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:00.760
<v Speaker 1>of course it all has to be paid for by someone,

0:45:00.840 --> 0:45:03.960
<v Speaker 1>but you know, someone somewhere else sees some of his stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm Zaramambani, and as mayor, I will create a network

0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:10.600
<v Speaker 5>of city owned grocery stores. It's like a public option

0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:15.240
<v Speaker 5>for produce. We will redirect city funds from corporate supermarkets

0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:19.000
<v Speaker 5>to city owned grocery stores whose mission is lower prices,

0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:22.640
<v Speaker 5>not price gauging. These stores will operate without a profit

0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:25.160
<v Speaker 5>motive or having to pay property taxes or rent, and

0:45:25.200 --> 0:45:27.920
<v Speaker 5>will pass on those savings to you. They'll partner with

0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:31.040
<v Speaker 5>small businesses and nearby farms and sell at wholesale prices.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the thing leasy is that the knock on this

0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:37.359
<v Speaker 1>Blanke is going to be socialist, socialist, socialist, and all

0:45:37.360 --> 0:45:40.719
<v Speaker 1>of that is true. But the message that people will

0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:43.040
<v Speaker 1>hear who and we know America can be a place

0:45:43.040 --> 0:45:47.480
<v Speaker 1>of incredible wealth and incredible poverty, is if you hear free, free, free, free, free,

0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:49.760
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter whether he's going to be called socialist

0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:52.600
<v Speaker 1>or not. So my fee here is that left wing

0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:57.239
<v Speaker 1>economic populism is going to eventually be the counterbalance to

0:45:57.600 --> 0:45:59.200
<v Speaker 1>right wing economic populism.

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<v Speaker 4>Well yeah, and it's this socialist utopia. You're right, everything

0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:05.839
<v Speaker 4>was free, and if you've got looking at sixty percent

0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.759
<v Speaker 4>of Americans a living paycheck to paycheck, then this is

0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:09.719
<v Speaker 4>going to appeal to them.

0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:10.520
<v Speaker 2>But he's put.

0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:13.919
<v Speaker 4>Together a very slick marketing campaign. He's telling people there's

0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:16.440
<v Speaker 4>an easy solution to all of this, and the simple

0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:18.200
<v Speaker 4>solution for him is, well, we'll just have the.

0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Rich pay for it.

0:46:19.120 --> 0:46:21.360
<v Speaker 4>So if you're out there not able to pay for

0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:23.319
<v Speaker 4>your grocery's, not able to pay for your bills, you know,

0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:25.799
<v Speaker 4>he's offering free transport so you can get to your

0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:28.040
<v Speaker 4>job to earn your wage, to try and.

0:46:27.920 --> 0:46:28.799
<v Speaker 2>Make your ends meet.

0:46:28.960 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 4>Then it does seem like a very simple solution if

0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:33.399
<v Speaker 4>you are not tapped in to politics, if you don't

0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:36.000
<v Speaker 4>understand that at the end of the day, somebody has

0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:37.759
<v Speaker 4>to pay for this. And I'll tell you what, if

0:46:37.760 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 4>you keep taxing the top end of town, there won't

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:41.880
<v Speaker 4>be the jobs for you to get your free transport

0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:43.759
<v Speaker 4>to to go and get your wage to try to

0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:47.279
<v Speaker 4>pay for your groceries. So it is just this frightening

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 4>political campaign that the average person over there just is

0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:52.400
<v Speaker 4>tapping into and saying, yeah, look, oh not a long

0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:54.160
<v Speaker 4>and I'll agree to this because it's going to make

0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:56.720
<v Speaker 4>my life better. But they're just not thinking long term.

0:46:56.800 --> 0:46:58.440
<v Speaker 4>And my question is he's come out and support of

0:46:58.480 --> 0:47:00.000
<v Speaker 4>a run, he's come out and support of Pakistan.

0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 2>What's the Jewish community doing? Where were they in all

0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:02.880
<v Speaker 2>of this?

0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, and he's openly said that he would enforce the

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:07.160
<v Speaker 1>International Criminal Court and if he goes anywhere near the

0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:10.640
<v Speaker 1>United Nations, he will arrest him on their behalf. I

0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:12.840
<v Speaker 1>want to do Winners and Losers in about sixty seconds.

0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:15.160
<v Speaker 1>But what do you think about this bloke? Should people

0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:17.720
<v Speaker 1>be watching him as a sign of doom to come

0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:20.360
<v Speaker 1>or the way to market yourself to the next generation.

0:47:20.560 --> 0:47:23.239
<v Speaker 3>Look, the answer to riving populism is not left wing populism.

0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:26.360
<v Speaker 3>It's being sensible and being pragmatic and using solutions that

0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:29.080
<v Speaker 3>work and putting ideology aside. Let's see how his grocery

0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:31.560
<v Speaker 3>stores run. I mean, let's just let's just wait and

0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:34.000
<v Speaker 3>say because it's going to go so in much the

0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:35.680
<v Speaker 3>same way as I think America had to get Donald

0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:37.880
<v Speaker 3>Trump out of its system. You want to try Bernie

0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:40.800
<v Speaker 3>Sanders light, which is exactly what he is. Bernie Sanders

0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:43.680
<v Speaker 3>is a big fan. Do it. See what happens?

0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:46.279
<v Speaker 1>All right, Lisa, I got thirty seconds, so take ten

0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:49.360
<v Speaker 1>of them to give me a winner and loser, very.

0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:52.880
<v Speaker 4>Easy, Trump the winner, loser, Richard Miles and that photograph

0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:54.160
<v Speaker 4>with him at the very back right.

0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:55.840
<v Speaker 2>You can't tell me that wasn't on purpose.

0:47:56.200 --> 0:47:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Seven point six seconds for you, Joe.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump the winner, Iotola the loser because Ayatollah Asahola love it.

0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Mote, thank you, thank you, Lisa, thank you Joe. Quick

0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:08.560
<v Speaker 1>break back with more. One more thing to say before

0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:10.440
<v Speaker 1>we are done and hand over to the lake to

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<v Speaker 1>Bak