Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Sherry,
Speaker 1: all the best to you and your family this weekend
Speaker 1: and yes, Sidney's Royal East. The show does start tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Huge crowds and inevitably a politician will turn up, and
Speaker 1: because people go ciously when television cameras will turn up,
Speaker 1: that will be interpreted as who is winning and who
Speaker 1: is losing the election? Generally speaking, TV cameras equal kids
Speaker 1: at ANISTA show, hyped up on fairy floss and fun,
Speaker 1: probably to go a little bit crazy, So look forward
Speaker 1: to the crazy spin that will come out all of that.
Speaker 1: Now away from the election, we all have a basic
Speaker 1: understanding that youth crime obviously major problem right across the country,
Speaker 1: and we feel for the police who have to interact
Speaker 1: and arrest these people over and over again. Very few
Speaker 1: of them end up going to court. You will be amazed,
Speaker 1: and I mean amazed, by the number of people who
Speaker 1: police pick up who actually end up going to juvenile detention.
Speaker 1: It is surprisingly low. But wait, doing you see just
Speaker 1: how low it has been going Monday night, Tweedheads is
Speaker 1: the location the Mavericks Pub test. This is going to
Speaker 1: be fun. It's one of my favorite things that we
Speaker 1: do each and every election. And I'm police to say
Speaker 1: that Paul en Hanson, Matt Canavan, Bob Katz are there now,
Speaker 1: I should tell you yes. Of course we have invited
Speaker 1: the Trumpet Patriots, both their leader and Clive Palmer. I
Speaker 1: believe Clive might be in Perth that time and the
Speaker 1: leader has said they've got something else to do. So
Speaker 1: that's why it's those three right now. But if you've
Speaker 1: got a question, particularly about cost of living, I've got
Speaker 1: a lot of great questions about everything from climate change
Speaker 1: to America to Australian home ownership. Or if you've got
Speaker 1: questions about what one nation, the opposition or the Cater
Speaker 1: Australia Party would do when it comes to cost of living,
Speaker 1: whacked that in, I reckon. I've got about twenty spots left,
Speaker 1: and I know how many people watch us in and
Speaker 1: around southeast Queensland, northern New South Wales and right across
Speaker 1: that border area. Even when it was lockdown, people were
Speaker 1: turning up to our shows that when they were there.
Speaker 1: So now that everyone's free and easy and can be there,
Speaker 1: be there Monday night if you can. The email pub
Speaker 1: test at Skydnews dot com dot Au or of course,
Speaker 1: just keep doing what you're doing right now, watching from
Speaker 1: all over the country. Twenty three days to go in
Speaker 1: the federal election of twenty and twenty five. Nothing is inevitable.
Speaker 1: Regardless of what the spin, the polls or the book is.
Speaker 1: Nothing is inevitable. You still have to have yours say,
Speaker 1: you can lead the conversations amongst your family and friends
Speaker 1: of the information that you see here each and every night.
Speaker 1: Twelve days less than two weeks before the first votes
Speaker 1: are cast. Now, anyone who wanted to put their hand
Speaker 1: up for parliament. Today was the lockoff day, meaning we
Speaker 1: will probably by Monday or Tuesday of next week will
Speaker 1: not only just know how many people are running in
Speaker 1: how many seats, but they may well be ballot draws.
Speaker 1: So when that's the case, I'll be able to show you,
Speaker 1: probably in state of the race on Sunday night, but
Speaker 1: definitely a couple of days after it, exactly in all
Speaker 1: of those say twenty key seats, how many people are running?
Speaker 1: Is it? Basically everyone preferencing against the Libs. Are there
Speaker 1: a few center right parties that might help them out?
Speaker 1: And we'll get deep into that conversation next week as well,
Speaker 1: as we'll actually get to go for a deep dive
Speaker 1: inside the electoral role. I know, exciting right. As for
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister, well, he spent a bit of time
Speaker 1: in Queensland today and of course he wanted to pretend
Speaker 1: that he's a faux Queenslander.
Speaker 2: I love Queensland and I know my yeppin from my
Speaker 2: yupoon as well.
Speaker 1: Reminds me of the cringe when he went to the
Speaker 1: steel works around Valentine's Day.
Speaker 2: Valentine's Day, Can I say this to all of you?
Speaker 1: Roses are red.
Speaker 2: Violence of blue. It's Valentine's Day and we love blue
Speaker 2: polar workers.
Speaker 1: That goes down well, right? Three more years of that?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But of course, being an election day,
Speaker 1: there's only one way the Labour Party thinks they could
Speaker 1: win that sly on top of that, of course, to
Speaker 1: buy their way. So how much of your money did
Speaker 1: he spend? As we go towards one point two trillion
Speaker 1: dollars in deficit under his watch.
Speaker 2: This reef program that we're announcing today will provide six
Speaker 2: million dollars for kids for the Red, also million dollars
Speaker 2: for local tourism operators and three million dollars to tropical
Speaker 2: North Queensland to tourism.
Speaker 1: Is such a fake. It's different caps. It's even different
Speaker 1: caps feeding all right. Now, that of course adds to
Speaker 1: the more than what forty five billion dollars worth of
Speaker 1: promises that have been made thus far. Now, of course,
Speaker 1: everyone else only counts from the start of the election campaign,
Speaker 1: ignoring all of the pre election promises, which were about
Speaker 1: the years to come. They were election promises, and all
Speaker 1: of this is borrowed money, All of his promises in
Speaker 1: dollar value since January.
Speaker 2: A seven point two billion dollar announcement today five million
Speaker 2: dollars ten million dollars, two hundred million dollars, three billion dollars,
Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty million dollars, two billion dollars, thirty
Speaker 2: seven million dollars, eight hundred and forty two million dollar,
Speaker 2: two point four billion dollars, eight point five billion dollar,
Speaker 2: four point eight billion dollar, one billion dollars, three point
Speaker 2: four billion dollars, two point eight billion dollars, two hundred
Speaker 2: million dollars, one hundred and fifty million dollars, one billion dollars,
Speaker 2: two hundred and forty five million dollars, six million dollars million,
Speaker 2: dollars three million dollars.
Speaker 1: Other people's money, right, who cares? Does anyone actually vote
Speaker 1: as a result of these types of promises, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Or is it just a whole bunch of stuff that
Speaker 1: you say in order to say you're doing something, all
Speaker 1: of it borrowed money. Australia under this government goes from
Speaker 1: surplus to deficit for the next ten years. Under the
Speaker 1: Intergeneration Report, deficits all the way through the twenty twenties, thirties, forties,
Speaker 1: fifties and into the twenty sixties. But you know, nothing
Speaker 1: to see here, right. As for Peter Dunton, he was
Speaker 1: on the trail and I've seen some polling, both public
Speaker 1: and private, which is showing that the petrol price reduction,
Speaker 1: the harving of petrol tax, is actually more popular with
Speaker 1: people than the five dollars in fifteen months tax cut thing. Jeez,
Speaker 1: what a surprise. We knew that from the date it
Speaker 1: was announced, but slowly but surely that's the feedback that
Speaker 1: he's coming back. Well that matter, when it comes to
Speaker 1: the election, we'll all find out. But that was his
Speaker 1: selling point again today. Our plan is to.
Speaker 3: Provide in the short term a twenty five cent a
Speaker 3: lead cut in the price of fuel, which for young
Speaker 3: trades here and for pensioners and for people right across
Speaker 3: the country that means about fourteen dollars fifteen dollars a
Speaker 3: week straight off your petrol bill.
Speaker 1: That message delivered in Victoria today that along with New
Speaker 1: South Wales expected to be the places where most of
Speaker 1: that changed seats towards the Liberal Party will come from.
Speaker 1: We'll all wait and see. But for those that have
Speaker 1: been waiting for the fire up, how's this for the
Speaker 1: bloke who at times has been the preferred prime minister
Speaker 1: but has also put labor right back in its box
Speaker 1: for the past couple of years. I love this today.
Speaker 1: More of it?
Speaker 3: Please are the Prime Minister has lied about the two
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five dollars Australian families have suffered because
Speaker 3: of that. He's lied about the fact that power prices
Speaker 3: have now gone up by thirteen hundred dollars. That's the reality.
Speaker 3: The Prime minist delight about falling off the stage for
Speaker 3: some reason.
Speaker 1: I mean it was caught on camera. Now interesting as
Speaker 1: always to tell you how the media is trying to
Speaker 1: spin the ball. Thank you to those who have sent
Speaker 1: me the email saying exactly what left wing spin means.
Speaker 1: I apologize doesn't come immediately to mind, of course, the
Speaker 1: media thinking that they are still talking into a prime
Speaker 1: minister who will still be there in three years, So
Speaker 1: you wouldn't possibly want to upset him, let alone any
Speaker 1: chance of a one on one that they're dangling in
Speaker 1: front of you at some point over the next three weeks.
Speaker 1: So keep playing nice or we'll ignore you. That's why
Speaker 1: he gets questions like this.
Speaker 4: This region become more reliant on China as a trading partner,
Speaker 4: and how has your government strengthened that relationship since the
Speaker 4: imposition of us Harritt.
Speaker 1: How do you play Slabor's chances? Obviously there are a
Speaker 1: lot of seats of playing particular That's why obviously hearing
Speaker 1: like that, how do you think the labor is going.
Speaker 5: To perform The way that you run a campaign, the
Speaker 5: way that we cover a campaign is still fit for purpose?
Speaker 1: Jeezus, I mean the tough stuff, right, the tough questions
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton. The media of course last night, blaming him,
Speaker 1: blaming him for his father's heart attack. I showed you
Speaker 1: that footage. I'd showed that to an old mate after
Speaker 1: the show last night, who has been around media for
Speaker 1: a long time, genuinely shocked that that's the state of
Speaker 1: what's being asked, but hadn't seen it anywhere. I had
Speaker 1: to show them. I don't know why they were watching
Speaker 1: the show that night, but you get my point. Plenty
Speaker 1: people don't see this stuff, which is why you tune
Speaker 1: into us each and every night to show you just
Speaker 1: how they spin the ball for labor. You saw the
Speaker 1: soft touch for albow. What did they do to Dutton today?
Speaker 6: You've been criticized for borrowing, trumping and tactics. Do you
Speaker 6: believe borrowing Trumpian tactics? Do you believe acts like this
Speaker 6: for these from your candidates are damaging the liberal brand
Speaker 6: and your brand overall liberal candidates.
Speaker 5: Sorry. In the Melbourne Seed of Wills last year, pleaded
Speaker 5: guilty to obtaining financial advantage by deception and was made
Speaker 5: to pay fines and compensation worth more than ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 5: Is this the standard that voters should accept and that
Speaker 5: you accept.
Speaker 1: At this time?
Speaker 7: Is advocating for that position really an example of respond
Speaker 7: economic management?
Speaker 1: Just in case you need the reminder, the true cost
Speaker 1: of labor over the past three years. In fact, the
Speaker 1: numbers are true to this very minute. Last month, fifty
Speaker 1: four thousand people lost their job. One point six million
Speaker 1: homes are currently in mortgage stress, meaning they can't pay
Speaker 1: their mortgage. Up to twelve interraesst rate rises. Two out
Speaker 1: of three people can't afford their rent. They make it,
Speaker 1: but they don't have much money left over for things
Speaker 1: like groceries, which of course costs more than they ever have.
Speaker 1: Three million people on the verge of homelessness, three point
Speaker 1: seven million households that will have already run out of
Speaker 1: food by this time this week, twenty nine thousand businesses
Speaker 1: which went bust, the highest supermarket prices, the highest prices
Speaker 1: thanks to taxation on alcohol, smoking and petrol, budget deficits
Speaker 1: for the next forty years, and all of it one
Speaker 1: point two trillion dollars worth of debts. Nothing to suit
Speaker 1: you here, nothing to see you here. Now, they may
Speaker 1: call me a little old fashion, but the way that
Speaker 1: reporting is supposed to work when it comes to when
Speaker 1: you had proximity two people in power is when they
Speaker 1: make an announcement and you've clearly heard the speech, so
Speaker 1: you've heard their version of them spinning an announcement, you
Speaker 1: are supposed to have a moment when reporters turn around
Speaker 1: and say, hang on, but yeah, but so in the
Speaker 1: case of Anthony ibneasy, when he comes to we will
Speaker 1: definitely put money into the Bruce Highway. Okay, but you
Speaker 1: had budget surpass for three years. Why didn't you put
Speaker 1: it in? Then? Oh, albo, we're doing more for mental health?
Speaker 1: Hang on, you had budget surplaces. Why didn't you do
Speaker 1: that for the past three years? General questions right, none
Speaker 1: of that, of course, because they don't want to upset
Speaker 1: the apple card. Now a perfect example of how this
Speaker 1: is done and how it can shake an election. A
Speaker 1: single question can shake an election. Let's go back twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Jonathan Lee at the time working for Channel ten, asking
Speaker 1: questions of Bill Shorten, who at the time was running
Speaker 1: around not putting any numbers on what eventually became the
Speaker 1: climate policies of the Labor Party. Remember the lie about
Speaker 1: two seventy five, the lie about hundreds of thousands of jobs, Well,
Speaker 1: they were all just lipstick on the pig that Bill
Speaker 1: Shorten tried to take to market and got rejected by
Speaker 1: the Australian people. And Jonathan Lee looked in right in
Speaker 1: the eye and had a set of stones better than
Speaker 1: most who go opposite these people, because he couldn't care
Speaker 1: less if he gets invited to special Friday drinks with
Speaker 1: the boss. That's what they call political figures in Australia
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. By the way, you remember the question.
Speaker 7: And people know?
Speaker 1: Dan? When can people know, mister Shorten the cost of
Speaker 1: You didn't answer the john I'm going to go to that.
Speaker 1: You should answer the question.
Speaker 3: That's why we're here to ask questions and you're not
Speaker 3: answering the question, Dan.
Speaker 1: Can people expect to know mister short and the cost
Speaker 1: of the economy? Dan? Why can't you answer the question,
Speaker 1: mister Shorton? Because I'm going to give your colleagues half
Speaker 1: agar No, because you should answer it. Why can't you
Speaker 1: answer the question, mister Shorton? Great, excellent. I love that
Speaker 1: stuff now. I don't mind if Albert gets it every day,
Speaker 1: Dutton gets it every day, Bant gets it every day.
Speaker 1: That is a fine exchange, no problem with that whatsoever.
Speaker 1: It's not like the rubbish like we've seen of recent times,
Speaker 1: where again Channel seven last night basically infers that Peter
Speaker 1: Dunton is somehow responsible for his father's heart attack. Apparently
Speaker 1: doing better in hospital right now. All the best to
Speaker 1: Bruce and the Wider Dune family. But that's the way
Speaker 1: it's supposed to work. Instead, I remember way back when
Speaker 1: like this a long time ago. But the game is
Speaker 1: exactly the same because many of the people playing it
Speaker 1: today for the prime Minister were playing it for people
Speaker 1: like Bob Carther and you, Soiba's premier way back when.
Speaker 1: Because it's junior reporters who often end up going out
Speaker 1: and going out on the trail, what ends up happening
Speaker 1: is that special friendships are formed where this long time
Speaker 1: labor staff for why are they paying attention to little
Speaker 1: old twenty one year old me? And you start to
Speaker 1: think there's something special about me. And I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: openly say I fell for it why because it didn't
Speaker 1: know better. Wouldn't fall for it now, They wouldn'tdare come
Speaker 1: near me now. But this is how it works. And
Speaker 1: you'll start to see a whole bunch of one on
Speaker 1: ones that'll turn up on lots of TV news and
Speaker 1: they will be done by junior reporters. They'll mostly happen
Speaker 1: in the last two weeks of the campaign. Why because
Speaker 1: they are dangled. Oh look in idea, is there something
Speaker 1: really special about you. In certain I reckon you know
Speaker 1: the boss really likes you. Do you want to have
Speaker 1: a sit down interview? So they play nice for the
Speaker 1: majority of the campaign. The payoff for the show real.
Speaker 1: They get to sit down and interview the leader. The
Speaker 1: message they can send back to their boss. Look how
Speaker 1: good I am. I got to interview the prime minister.
Speaker 1: What this means is the people's self police. It means
Speaker 1: they don't behave like Jonathan did in that press conference.
Speaker 1: People who know better know not to fall for it.
Speaker 1: And I can't attack young people who maybe this is
Speaker 1: their first rodeo around the country, but they are not
Speaker 1: your friends. If you are watching in a hotel room
Speaker 1: right now and you're one of the very few lucky
Speaker 1: people to be on the proverbial buses, they are not
Speaker 1: your mates. Despite what they promise, and despite how many
Speaker 1: beers you've had in the hotel lobby tonight, nothing different
Speaker 1: is going to change when it comes to your access
Speaker 1: to power on the other side of the election, they'll
Speaker 1: still refer back to the boss or the big Boss
Speaker 1: or the boss Boss Boss in a different city. That's
Speaker 1: how it really works. Person who, like everyone, started out
Speaker 1: as a junior reporter somewhere, then became the head of
Speaker 1: politics for the ABC, the host of the seven thirty Report,
Speaker 1: the head of politics for Channel nine, and a man
Speaker 1: who has done analysis here on Sky News, but of
Speaker 1: course did that incredible documentary about the cost of renewables,
Speaker 1: dealing with the facts and the reality. He was somebody
Speaker 1: who played more like Jonathan Lee today than many of
Speaker 1: the people who are a softball in the prime minister
Speaker 1: or their ministers at the moment. You will have heard
Speaker 1: that the National Press Club had its Energy debate today,
Speaker 1: Ted O'Brien representing the opposition, blackout bar and representing the government.
Speaker 1: It's in Canberra, so Labour thinks they're playing a home game.
Speaker 1: But you know who absolutely bolded up bang the bloke
Speaker 1: who wasn't going to back down, the bloke who knows
Speaker 1: what he's talking about, the bloke who doesn't fall for
Speaker 1: the spin, the b as the direction or the oh
Speaker 1: if you playing nice so we can have one on
Speaker 1: one chat later which will impress your boss. How good
Speaker 1: is Chris us? Woman giving it to Chris Bowen. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to show you little cuts of this
Speaker 1: and talk in between. I'm going to show you the
Speaker 1: whole thing. Sit back and enjoy a real journalist, a
Speaker 1: real person of expertise taking on an absolute used car salesman.
Speaker 1: Have a look, Chris Bowen.
Speaker 7: In December twenty twenty one, you commissioned modeling which showed
Speaker 7: and you pledged that you would drop power prices by
Speaker 7: now by two hundred and seventy five dollars for residential homes.
Speaker 1: You committed to.
Speaker 7: It again in April twenty twenty two, when you were
Speaker 7: told that modeling was flawed, you continued to commit to it.
Speaker 7: In twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four, even though
Speaker 7: electricity prices were rising. You continued to be committed to
Speaker 7: it when you started subsidizing power bills.
Speaker 1: And now this year, as.
Speaker 7: Subsidies now have tracked through a new record and they're
Speaker 7: going through to the end of the year, you're spending
Speaker 7: billions of dollars on that. You are now claiming that
Speaker 7: electricity price falls due to subsidies are a fall in
Speaker 7: electricity bill. Now, electricity prices are rising, aren't they, Minister.
Speaker 7: That's written into a level every electricity bill, isn't it, Minister.
Speaker 7: And if you can't admit that simple fact, here today.
Speaker 7: Why should anyone believe anything that you say?
Speaker 8: Well, thanks very much for the question, Chris. I'm not
Speaker 8: exactly sure what your question is really in reality, you've
Speaker 8: got strong views.
Speaker 1: Sorry our electricity prices. Going back, Chris, press you up downs.
Speaker 1: I didn't interrupt. I didn't interrupt a question. Do I
Speaker 1: get to answer?
Speaker 8: Do I get to answer it? Thank you. You've got
Speaker 8: strong views about these matters, which you express on Sky
Speaker 8: News in the evenings, and that's your right. I disagree
Speaker 8: with the way that you look at these matters. I
Speaker 8: disagree with the approach that you take. Respectfully, I think
Speaker 8: that renewable energy is.
Speaker 1: The cheapest form of energy.
Speaker 8: You disagree with me, you disagree with the CSIRO. You're
Speaker 8: perfectly in told of that point of view. I have
Speaker 8: said at the outset in my opening remarks, energy prices
Speaker 8: are hard and I'd like them to of course they are.
Speaker 1: I think everyone would say that.
Speaker 8: I think normal Australians at home also look around the
Speaker 8: world and know that people around the world are dealing
Speaker 8: with similar issues. Countries with different policies in place, are
Speaker 8: all dealing with high energy prices with great respect. It's
Speaker 8: disingenuous and dishonest. Of you to blame all this so
Speaker 8: renewable energy as you do on.
Speaker 1: Sky in the Evenings.
Speaker 8: It's just not right, sir, It's just not fair.
Speaker 1: You're entitled to that view.
Speaker 7: It's a very very simple question. Have electricity prices risen
Speaker 7: on your watch? The exact opposite of what you pledged?
Speaker 1: Have that? We have never denied.
Speaker 8: We have never denied that energy prices are higher than
Speaker 8: we would like. That's why we've delivered three rounds of
Speaker 8: energy to be relief Bild relief strategy.
Speaker 7: You wrote, electricity prices have fallen. That's not true, is it.
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 8: The fact of the matter is, if you look at
Speaker 8: the recent data, Australia's had the lowest energy inflation.
Speaker 1: In the world.
Speaker 8: Know, you might deny that, and I know you deny
Speaker 8: several things.
Speaker 1: The reason for it? What is the reason for.
Speaker 8: Mister you and you're asking a question or are your debating?
Speaker 7: It's just that you are completely avoiding it, as you
Speaker 7: always do.
Speaker 1: We get a blast.
Speaker 8: I know you're a man of astronomies in these matters,
Speaker 8: and I said, I've always had respects for you, but
Speaker 8: I have a fundamentally different view to the one that
Speaker 8: you have developed in recent years, which you express on
Speaker 8: sky Now.
Speaker 7: Your premise on renewables is true. Electricity prices will fall
Speaker 7: in your next.
Speaker 8: Term well as again, i'd refer you to the au
Speaker 8: straight Energy Market Commission report which says, if we keep
Speaker 8: the path we're on, energy prices will fall by thirty
Speaker 8: percent over the next ten years.
Speaker 1: You might deny that. I don't extraordinary It is an extraordinary. Firstly,
Speaker 1: that's the way it's supposed to work. Well informed skepticism
Speaker 1: of what government is saying, holding them to account for
Speaker 1: what they have said in the past, giving them an
Speaker 1: opportunity to answer the question, but then bringing them back
Speaker 1: to the centerpiece of your question. If they just try
Speaker 1: to change the subject to any and everyone who's having
Speaker 1: a lot of fun taken selfies posting them up on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Havey we're on the bus, haym'r on the plane. That's
Speaker 1: the model. Did Channel nine run any of that tonight? No?
Speaker 1: The Channel seven run any of that tonight. No, didn't
Speaker 1: check the abs. But what do you reckon? Extraordinary truly
Speaker 1: is up now There is a breaking news story which
Speaker 1: I have just learnt about, which is via the Australian newspaper.
Speaker 1: Peter Dudden the alleged target of a Brisbane private schools
Speaker 1: student's terror plot. This thing is extraordinary. The sixteen year old,
Speaker 1: who cannot be named for legal reasons, was arrested and
Speaker 1: charged last August after a joint counter terrorism investigation by
Speaker 1: Federal and Queensland police. The sources have told The Australian
Speaker 1: the teenager was allegedly planning to attack the Federal Opposition
Speaker 1: leader at his home on acreage north of Brisbane. In
Speaker 1: the alleged plot, according to source familiar with the investigation,
Speaker 1: it involved the use of a drone. Queensland and Federal
Speaker 1: police have declined to comment on their investigation or the
Speaker 1: evidence against the teenager, who on Thursday they've been today
Speaker 1: has been committed to stand trial on a single charge
Speaker 1: relating to the alleged plot. The teenager, who attended one
Speaker 1: of Bruceban's prestigious private boys' schools until his arrest, has
Speaker 1: been charged with the Commonwealth offense of committing acts done
Speaker 1: quote in preparation of planning a terrorist attack. It carries
Speaker 1: a maximum penalty of life in jail. The charges alleged
Speaker 1: two the teenagers researching a bomb making instructions purchased explosive ingredients,
Speaker 1: tested thermal chemical reactions and tested home made explosives contrary
Speaker 1: to the section the relevant section of the law. The
Speaker 1: plan attack was from somewhere in and around May twenty
Speaker 1: first July the fifteenth last year. He has appeared in
Speaker 1: court today, where as I can see, no further details
Speaker 1: been given. That's extraordinary. A sixteen year old has been
Speaker 1: charged with an attempted terror plot, the plan to use
Speaker 1: a drone to go after Peter Duarton at his home
Speaker 1: in Brisbane. Breaking news via the Australian newspaper this evening
Speaker 1: back to the federal election campaign, and just that is
Speaker 1: incredible when you think about the presures on these people
Speaker 1: and now you've got scenarios like that little potential and
Speaker 1: alleged scenarios involving sixteen year oldsh my goodness. As for
Speaker 1: social media, this is a place where the Labor Party
Speaker 1: in particular and certainly the center left think that they
Speaker 1: are going to be able to win this election. Why
Speaker 1: because there are more people under the age of fifty
Speaker 1: than over the age of fifty that will be voting
Speaker 1: at this election. You will have heard more millennials than
Speaker 1: ever before. Millennials. Of course, the people who could go
Speaker 1: all the way up to forty, so it's not necessarily
Speaker 1: aimed at those, but certainly the younger cohort of eighteen
Speaker 1: to twenty four. The problem is the peace people who
Speaker 1: are using this social media, particularly labor cabinet ministers. Now,
Speaker 1: this is what they like to look like when they
Speaker 1: are doing their day job, trying to pretend that they're
Speaker 1: all some super serious and up to the task of
Speaker 1: running the country. But the way that they think that
Speaker 1: they can win over the younger voters is frankly, by
Speaker 1: carrying on like play school presenters. This is the garbage
Speaker 1: that's running around, mainly on the social media platform TikTok,
Speaker 1: otherwise known in my view as a Chinese surveillance app.
Speaker 1: But plenty of people are still on, millions of people
Speaker 1: in Australia for some stupid reason, but they are. And
Speaker 1: this is how the federal Health Minister talks to the kids. No,
Speaker 1: this is Australia, babe, like please anyway. Patronizing is the
Speaker 1: Labor Party talking about its own favorite Labor Party policies, Right.
Speaker 4: What's your favorite thing from this term of government? Well,
Speaker 4: getting wages moving again, I mean getting them to lift
Speaker 4: above inflation for the first time in years.
Speaker 1: Awesome, that's the casuals protections that we've done. I just
Speaker 1: needed one. Morrent Jed. What's your favorite thing from this
Speaker 1: tam of government?
Speaker 9: Over half a billion dollars on women's healthcare?
Speaker 1: Oh awesome, thank you. Fuck Tim? What's your favorite thing
Speaker 1: from this term of government? A future man in Australia
Speaker 1: delivering more manufacturing jobs, good quality jobs in our regions
Speaker 1: in the suburbs.
Speaker 10: And it's got the right of disconnect again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the same job, same pay. Let me tell you
Speaker 1: about we, by the way, have approach Murray. What to
Speaker 1: appear in well one of the Mavericks debates, in fact
Speaker 1: the ones coming up on Monday. Oh no, sorry, unavailable,
Speaker 1: because you know he prefers to communicate with people like
Speaker 1: that then in a session where someone may well push
Speaker 1: back against him. Remember this government, apart from giving every
Speaker 1: parliament in the every politician in the Parliament of pay
Speaker 1: rise three of them in the past three years, they're
Speaker 1: given an extra staff member to every politician, mainly to
Speaker 1: do crap life. That worst in class for me is
Speaker 1: the person who, remember this time last year, was in
Speaker 1: charge of national security. When it came to Home affairs.
Speaker 1: She was clueless clear okneil when it came to immigration,
Speaker 1: and she remained so when it comes to housing. Oh
Speaker 1: but she's Queen of the kids, isn't she got Sorry?
Speaker 5: Who are you wearing?
Speaker 1: To Housing Australia on the top like that the Watch
Speaker 1: You About story.
Speaker 9: Everyone, We're at a Housing Australia future find site and
Speaker 9: we really need.
Speaker 4: This investment to continue.
Speaker 1: Peter Dunt wants to scrap her.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 1: Remember years ago when we used to say Twitter in
Speaker 1: real life because we knew it was super lefty, it
Speaker 1: was super niche. And yes, one millions of people are honored.
Speaker 1: The reality is there are millions more who are not.
Speaker 1: The same must be said about TikTok. Now, I understand
Speaker 1: about its penetration and I'm not going to look the
Speaker 1: other way when up to nine million people. But this
Speaker 1: is a country of twenty seven million people, so the
Speaker 1: vast majority of people are not interacting with this app. Yes,
Speaker 1: once you put it together with what gets repeated on Instagram,
Speaker 1: reels and other social media where the numbers start to
Speaker 1: get up there, But TikTok ain't real life. Literally, it
Speaker 1: ain't real life. We know about all of it's ups
Speaker 1: and all of its downs. And the idea that the
Speaker 1: very platform which is banned by the federal government from
Speaker 1: use on official federal government phones is also used by
Speaker 1: the party that is the federal government to get its
Speaker 1: election message out sends rather confusing message to me. Again,
Speaker 1: we'll keep an eye on all of this, and in fact,
Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks I look forward to
Speaker 1: going into the detail about whom is actually making the
Speaker 1: most impact when it comes to social media, and about
Speaker 1: who is not just getting views, but views are not
Speaker 1: just one second actual watch. But to give you an
Speaker 1: idea of the penetration of the leaders. These figures come
Speaker 1: to us from March. I have no further update from
Speaker 1: the ones that are here. But when it comes to TikTok,
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister as twenty three thousand followers, the alternative
Speaker 1: prime minister twenty nine thousand, the total number of likes
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty nine versus three hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: three thousand, What about eighteen nineteen million people will vote
Speaker 1: to this election. But of course, despite the fact that
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton has more followers and more likes, what do
Speaker 1: you reckon? The headline was Channeline put on this story,
Speaker 1: Dutton has more followers, but Albanezi is doing it better
Speaker 1: of course, because we wouldn't want to upset the apple
Speaker 1: cart would be no one anywhere. Now totally unrelated to
Speaker 1: the breaking new strap that is below. This is nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the breaking new strap that is below.
Speaker 1: It is another piece of information that I've been working
Speaker 1: on for you for the past couple of days, and
Speaker 1: it's about youth crime and youth crime that is a
Speaker 1: very significant problem right around the country. It was the
Speaker 1: reason the Queensland government changed last year. It is one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why the Allen government in Victoria is
Speaker 1: looking as shaky as it is. It's also been a
Speaker 1: major problem for the Men's government in New South Wales.
Speaker 1: But tonight I wanted to stress test a theory that
Speaker 1: many of us have, which is if the police actually
Speaker 1: do end up arresting somebody, what ends up happening once
Speaker 1: that person is arrested. Well, law and order itself is
Speaker 1: becoming an election issue, with polls from the past few
Speaker 1: weeks telling us that voters are sending a message to
Speaker 1: the Labor Party specifically in and around things like law
Speaker 1: and order. Well, there was a finding which comes out
Speaker 1: of the Australian Bureau of Statistics. It tells us here
Speaker 1: that there were in the financial year two thousand and
Speaker 1: twenty three, twenty four forty six, seven hundred and ninety
Speaker 1: eight separate offenders. These are offenders between the ages of
Speaker 1: ten to seventeen. Of those, twenty three thousand, four hundred
Speaker 1: and nineteen were sent to court and eighteen thoy and
Speaker 1: twenty eight ended up being found or pleading guilty. That
Speaker 1: was the court outcome. This is information from the Australian
Speaker 1: Bureau of Statistics of those who have been found guilty
Speaker 1: or sorry, I should say the people who were the defendants.
Speaker 1: The biggest category of crime with youth offending was acts
Speaker 1: to injure or to cause injury, or theft, unlawful entry
Speaker 1: with intent, then traffic, then drugs and then other offenses.
Speaker 1: But the biggest ones here are either a plan to
Speaker 1: or actually carrying out some form of violence. Now, this
Speaker 1: is twenty five percent of all youth offending in the
Speaker 1: country ten to seventeen are acts intended to cause injury.
Speaker 1: What a huge number. Now, before I show you how
Speaker 1: many of the people who end up going to court,
Speaker 1: twenty three thousand ending up at guilty eighteen thousand do
Speaker 1: you think were sent to juvenile detention sent to jail?
Speaker 1: The answer eight hundred and twenty eight. That's it. Forty
Speaker 1: six seven hundred and ninety eight people police interact with
Speaker 1: because they believe that they have committed a criminal offense,
Speaker 1: twenty three four hundred and nineteen go to court, eighteen
Speaker 1: thy and twenty eight are found guilty. Twenty five percent
Speaker 1: of all of the offending is to do with injury
Speaker 1: against the person well as you can see, a nominal penalty,
Speaker 1: so some form of a caution, slap on the wrist,
Speaker 1: followed by a diversionary program or a conference with your victim.
Speaker 1: Again a slap on the wrist, a moderate penalty in
Speaker 1: the community, so community service, then a good behavior bond,
Speaker 1: meaning you still don't go to jail. But the total
Speaker 1: number of people who went to jail eight hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty eight two percent. Every now and then there are
Speaker 1: little reminders that come from the stats, little reminders about
Speaker 1: your perception is reality. There is a huge amount of
Speaker 1: youth crime. Once it goes through the system, there are
Speaker 1: as many attempts to get it away from a court
Speaker 1: before it gets to a court that when it gets
Speaker 1: to a court, do they go to jail two percent?
Speaker 1: Two percent? That is extraordinary when twenty five percent of
Speaker 1: all of the offending is about injuring another human being.
Speaker 1: Quick break back with more here on Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 1: Thanks for watching us this Thursday night. Not to know
Speaker 1: you think the winner and loser of the week is
Speaker 1: and wait till you find out what China had to
Speaker 1: say today about tariffs. What they are saying is extraordinary
Speaker 1: when you think about what they did to little old
Speaker 1: ols for a couple of years. More in a set
Speaker 1: just the more details I read extraordinary reporting out of
Speaker 1: the Australian newspaper tonight, breaking news, huge news that are
Speaker 1: sixteen year old who until this court case apparently was
Speaker 1: att any one of the most privileged schools in Brisbane
Speaker 1: has been charged and appeared in court today with terrorism
Speaker 1: offenses the plan to use a drone to aimed at
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton. I'm going to be very careful for my
Speaker 1: language here because I don't want to make anything easier for.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 1: I don't want to intervene in the process at all.
Speaker 1: But this is extraordinary. A sixteen year old has now
Speaker 1: been charged with this situation. The police case that was
Speaker 1: delivered today suggests bomb making instructions, purchased explosive ingredients, tested
Speaker 1: thermal chemical reactions and tested homemade explosives. The matter was
Speaker 1: due to be carried out between May twenty first July
Speaker 1: fifteenth last year, but appears in court today. Extraordinary Peter
Speaker 1: Dutton the focus of a terror plot at his home,
Speaker 1: where the allegation is that a drone was to be
Speaker 1: used explosives to with him being the target. All right,
Speaker 1: we move on to election issues of the day, but
Speaker 1: that remains the breaking news. If I know any more
Speaker 1: about it, we'll of course talk more about it as
Speaker 1: the show goes on. Darren Bunett and Christy McSweeney love
Speaker 1: to see you both on a Thursday night. Now. Of
Speaker 1: course we have all of the experience of running for
Speaker 1: the Liberal Parts, to advising the Labor Party, to dealing
Speaker 1: with the Teals and negotiating with the Cross benches, so
Speaker 1: you guys have got lots of inside and outside knowledge.
Speaker 1: So on a Thursday night, when we've got a bit
Speaker 1: of a chance to look at things a little further out,
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about scare campaigns and whether the
Speaker 1: old scares still work now. Certainly we know the scare
Speaker 1: from Labor about the coalition is all Medicare, Medicare, mediicare,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that we know it ain't true. The
Speaker 1: money has been matched, no suggestion in any way, shape
Speaker 1: or form, but they still keep doing it right. Conversely,
Speaker 1: the Liberal Party will say the Greens, the Greens, the Greens,
Speaker 1: the Greens, the Greens, but the reality is that yes,
Speaker 1: twenty ten there was this formal signing agreement, but Labour
Speaker 1: keeps preferencing away with them anyway. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: ask you first, Christie, of course from the pr Council.
Speaker 1: That's where you can find her work and support of
Speaker 1: what she does. Do the old scares work because I
Speaker 1: know that the assumption is it worked in the past,
Speaker 1: it works in the future. But let's be honest, there
Speaker 1: are plenty of people every three years who weren't old
Speaker 1: enough to vote or aren't around to vote anymore.
Speaker 9: Look, I think they do work to an extent if
Speaker 9: you are somebody who really values a particular issue. That
Speaker 9: scare campaign has been embedded in the popular culture, even
Speaker 9: though it's been rebunked, even though it's been refuted, even
Speaker 9: though it's been proved wrong, and even though the Labor
Speaker 9: Party via Penny Wong and Bill Shorten were less less
Speaker 9: than using the truth when they claimed that the Coalition
Speaker 9: would cut Medicare. Of course it was some type of
Speaker 9: digital transformation service in the ICT part of the Health
Speaker 9: Department that was moveted somewhere in a paper for being reduced.
Speaker 9: So that actually, if anybody's wondering, was the origination of
Speaker 9: the Medicare campaign. Medi scare campaigns, so that is embedded
Speaker 9: and it has it is embedded in people who find
Speaker 9: that issue that particular issue. The other thing I wanted
Speaker 9: to say about the Scare campaign, and this particularly affects
Speaker 9: a coalition, is around economic management. Labor can't manage your money.
Speaker 9: Labor can't economically manage the Australian economy. I think Australians
Speaker 9: live with so much debt now they just think everybody
Speaker 9: lives beyond their means. You know, young people think, oh
Speaker 9: well houses cost a million two million dollars. Of course
Speaker 9: you need to be in debt up to your eyeballs.
Speaker 9: So I think generationally that level of we're carrying too
Speaker 9: much debt doesn't resonate as a scare campaign with certain
Speaker 9: demographics in Australia anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm actually going to do a bit
Speaker 1: of work on this for next week. But I mean,
Speaker 1: as the generations know that, certainly parents or grandparents depending
Speaker 1: on your age, they learn how to do without. And
Speaker 1: then there was the slow access towards credit, but you
Speaker 1: had to have a huge amount of savings before the credit,
Speaker 1: and then the threshold by which you get credit drops
Speaker 1: and drops and drops and drops. Now that it feels
Speaker 1: like when even you walk onto a card, you've already
Speaker 1: been approved for the finance, regardless of whether you've got
Speaker 1: the backside on your trousers or not. But about old
Speaker 1: school scare campaigns, I mean it's important for people to
Speaker 1: understand the direct fifty to fifty line in the electoralism
Speaker 1: fifty over the age of fifty and under the age
Speaker 1: of fifty. Do the scare tactics work differently either side
Speaker 1: of that line? Darren?
Speaker 10: I think they have to be based on history and
Speaker 10: based on precedent. So Labor invented medicare or medibank, and
Speaker 10: then Whitlam invented it, Fraser took it away, Hawk put
Speaker 10: it back, and there's enough around medicare being one of
Speaker 10: Labour's great sort of foundational achievements that any day they
Speaker 10: can talk about health is a good day in this
Speaker 10: By the same token, any day that the coalition can
Speaker 10: talk about national security is a day that they win.
Speaker 10: So can almost chalk up the wins according to what
Speaker 10: that six o'clock story of the day ends up being.
Speaker 10: But what I wanted to add to that, what I
Speaker 10: think is fascinating. We've seen ir and workplace relations come
Speaker 10: into this campaign and it really hasn't been that active
Speaker 10: an issue since work choices, and we can argue about
Speaker 10: whether it's fair. There's a characterization of people thinking they're
Speaker 10: not going to be working from home, they're going to
Speaker 10: be pushed back into the office. But there's enough of
Speaker 10: a grain of truth behind it for people to associate
Speaker 10: looking back through history that yeah, I reckon, they might
Speaker 10: do that, and so that's good. Scare campaigns have to
Speaker 10: be based on either history or a recent policy decision
Speaker 10: or error.
Speaker 1: But also I think that the scare campaigns, the danger
Speaker 1: of the scare campaigns, Christy, is that previously in sort
Speaker 1: of a market of coke or PEPSI right, that basically
Speaker 1: you know, it was to make you choose one or
Speaker 1: the other. But then there's this whole third lane that
Speaker 1: turns around and say, see how they argue all the time.
Speaker 1: That's why we need a better version of politics. And
Speaker 1: the more and more the two old side of coke
Speaker 1: and PEPSI blow each other away, Iced Tea is sitting
Speaker 1: over here saying, wouldn't you just prefer to be refreshed
Speaker 1: in a better and kinder, more empathetic society. Isn't this
Speaker 1: also part of the problem, Christy, that the harder you
Speaker 1: hit each other, you partially push people towards the people
Speaker 1: who say bargle the rest of them.
Speaker 9: Yeah, of course, in one in three people, one in
Speaker 9: three voters in Australia now are choosing not to vote
Speaker 9: for major parties. All of us know the primary vote
Speaker 9: is still struggling even in this campaign to get above
Speaker 9: the mid thirties and for both of the legacy major parties,
Speaker 9: and that independent vote seems to be growing. The challenge
Speaker 9: for both of the major parties to lift that primary
Speaker 9: vote out of the mid thirties is that there's a
Speaker 9: lot of what we call the soft boat, which is,
Speaker 9: as you say, Paul, a lot of people saying I'm
Speaker 9: really looking for something to grab onto because I don't
Speaker 9: like either of them, and all politicians are the same,
Speaker 9: and that soft boat could very well go to an
Speaker 9: independent because of that theory. They don't want to vote
Speaker 9: for either major party, not because they don't like them,
Speaker 9: but because of that sentiment of you're all the same,
Speaker 9: and I want to put my vote somewhere with someone
Speaker 9: that's local in my community that might be fighting for
Speaker 9: a single issue, and that's the risk that soft boat
Speaker 9: becomes captured by the independent.
Speaker 1: So of course, the problem, Darren is if you're trying
Speaker 1: to reach everyone, it makes it very difficult if you
Speaker 1: want to be the boutique brewery looking after one seat
Speaker 1: and one third of one seat, which is the ability
Speaker 1: to turn around and say not Kirk or PEPs theire correct.
Speaker 10: And the great luxury of being an independent is that
Speaker 10: if you like something, you say that's good, but it
Speaker 10: could have gone further, and if you don't like it,
Speaker 10: you say I don't like it. And it's hard to
Speaker 10: lose because it's a fairly easy set of decisions that
Speaker 10: you make and public comments that you make. So the
Speaker 10: problem for the major parties is that after a prolonged
Speaker 10: period of government, you don't quite the elasticity, isn't there.
Speaker 10: You don't come back to that same level of prominence
Speaker 10: and dominance that you had before that long period. And
Speaker 10: that tale goes to the independence and the right and
Speaker 10: the left, they both do it. I was on last
Speaker 10: week with James Ashby and he cashed in on what
Speaker 10: Trump had said that day, and he's prevently within his
Speaker 10: rights to do that. But it's quite easy if you
Speaker 10: are in that position, or if you're Adam Banton the Greens,
Speaker 10: or even if you're the Teals. So it's quite easy
Speaker 10: to be a protest vote. The litmus test comes if
Speaker 10: you have to form government, correct, who do you're back?
Speaker 1: So here's the thing though, and in fact we'll take
Speaker 1: a break in a second, but just how do you
Speaker 1: battle that if you are cocor PEPSI? How do you
Speaker 1: battle that if you are a major party?
Speaker 10: Well, I think you've just got to make decisions that
Speaker 10: take the people with you. And that's not straightforward. But
Speaker 10: in the end, people are smart enough to know the
Speaker 10: difference between a party of government and a party that
Speaker 10: does not form a government, and you have to convince
Speaker 10: people say, look, I know you're not going to agree
Speaker 10: with me. One hundred percent of the time. But I'm
Speaker 10: going to take you on a journey. After three years,
Speaker 10: I hope I've done enough where you can back me again.
Speaker 10: And that's really the best that you can do.
Speaker 1: Christy again. If you are somebody who is trying to
Speaker 1: represent the two parties that do end up forming government,
Speaker 1: how do you Taylor? Not the message? We but you've
Speaker 1: got to be all things to all people, which makes
Speaker 1: it bloody difficult.
Speaker 9: You do have to be all things to all people,
Speaker 9: and politics is set up in a structure sort of
Speaker 9: boased on when we didn't have this concentrated media market
Speaker 9: where people weren't connected outside their geographic areas. It was
Speaker 9: the local politician fights for local issues, and something that
Speaker 9: a front bencher or a cabinet minister had said in
Speaker 9: Queensland wouldn't be known or be heard about by their
Speaker 9: local community in Western Australia at least until several days.
Speaker 9: They wouldn't have to tackle those issues on an immediate basis.
Speaker 9: So the modern structure that we have, with this all consuming,
Speaker 9: twenty four hour digital media and everybody being so connected,
Speaker 9: it's really upended that it's a struggle for political parties
Speaker 9: who like to target geographic areas and localized messages to
Speaker 9: local communities and so to local MPs. But then they're
Speaker 9: always having to defend the shadow of their party's view
Speaker 9: and be all things to all people. I still think
Speaker 9: when the Teals are campaigning on we are local and
Speaker 9: we are community independents is their version. Now it is
Speaker 9: more and more necessary for major party MPAs to be
Speaker 9: local community advocates. But again that's hard because they've got
Speaker 9: whole party decisions to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Well, all right, Ken, I know we think about that
Speaker 1: or anything else. Send me an email, Paul. It's gonews
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Speaker 1: It is happening on Monday in Tweedheads. How good is
Speaker 1: it going to be if you can be there, Send
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Speaker 1: com dot you. I got to close it off tonight.
Speaker 1: So if you are any chance of being on the
Speaker 1: Tweed at the Tweed on Monday, can't wait to see it.
Speaker 1: Morna Seki on por Love including Who's the Winner and
Speaker 1: Loser of the week if you're just joining us for
Speaker 1: whatever reason. The massive news that has broken this evening
Speaker 1: is that a sixteen year old who apparently had previously
Speaker 1: attended a pretty prestigiouschool in Brisbane, has been charged today formally,
Speaker 1: or should I say, appeared in court today apparently on
Speaker 1: a terrorism charge with a terrorism plot in and around
Speaker 1: focused on Peter Dutton. Let me read directly from the
Speaker 1: Australian newspaper and what they will have on their front
Speaker 1: pages tomorrow, but is online right now. Peter Dutton was
Speaker 1: allegedly the time of a Brisbane private school student charged
Speaker 1: with buying ingredients to make bombs and testing homemade explosives
Speaker 1: in preparation to launch a terrorist attack. The sixteen year old,
Speaker 1: who can't be named for legal reasons, was the rested
Speaker 1: and charged last August after a joint counter terrorism investigation
Speaker 1: by federal and Queensland police. Sources have told The Australian
Speaker 1: that the teenager was allegedly planning to attack the Federal
Speaker 1: Opposition leader at his home on acreage north of Bruceban.
Speaker 1: The alleged plot, according to familiar sources. Sources formiliar with
Speaker 1: the investigation, involved the use of a drone. More news
Speaker 1: throughout the night, but that is the breaking news right now.
Speaker 1: Christiy McSweeney and Darren barnatda here. They are people who've
Speaker 1: been front, middle center, the dark arts, and plenty of
Speaker 1: other things in and around politics. And just like we
Speaker 1: do on a Sunday night, we'd like to go hardcore
Speaker 1: for you on a Thursday night. Now, I just want
Speaker 1: to I don't want to say what they should or shouldn't,
Speaker 1: what's right or wrong. Let's look at this analytically, Darren.
Speaker 1: How did the Teals get away with not saying which
Speaker 1: way they're going to go? In a parliament without every journal,
Speaker 1: every time, all press conference basically pulling them to that
Speaker 1: central question Because the more a politician doesn't answer a question,
Speaker 1: generally it means more questions. But when it comes to
Speaker 1: the Teals, they're allowed to spit out one version of
Speaker 1: nothing and then people move on.
Speaker 10: What I think they know who they're going to back.
Speaker 1: Yes, they do, well, I'll tell you this for free.
Speaker 10: They have to back liberal.
Speaker 1: You reckon anyway. I don't want to debate dealism.
Speaker 10: They will not be re elected if you're in a
Speaker 10: liberal seat and you go and then back labor. Happened
Speaker 10: to Oakshott and Winsor Sure they were gone. But I
Speaker 10: don't think the Teals have any idea of what a
Speaker 10: sustained media campaign over three years looks like.
Speaker 1: If it gets closer, I will develop some form of
Speaker 1: a bit about the two Victorian teals. All right, we
Speaker 1: will discuss because the other thing that does happen is
Speaker 1: that once you're an independent and you get re elected,
Speaker 1: then yes, we can talk historically about what a seat
Speaker 1: used to be. But once you get up for the
Speaker 1: second time think about Sharky in South Australia, catter Wilkie,
Speaker 1: Helen Haynes. Once you get elected, you are there a
Speaker 1: long time. So the idea that it's a faux liberals,
Speaker 1: we'll see. But okay, Christy, why are they allowed to
Speaker 1: get away with it? Because put simply, if the question
Speaker 1: was or I'm mister dunnan, are you not putting your
Speaker 1: left foot in front of your right foot? Well, I've
Speaker 1: got many decisions to make, but I can't tell you
Speaker 1: until I've made the decision. Every question of every reporter
Speaker 1: for the rest of every press conferences, well, which you're
Speaker 1: going to choose your left or your right foot? Why
Speaker 1: is that level of repetitiveness not put onto these people.
Speaker 9: It's a double standard of lack of scrutiny and lack
Speaker 9: of questioning, particularly as the coalition and has put out
Speaker 9: the voting record of teals, particularly Monique Ryan and Kou
Speaker 9: Yong who has shown to vote with Labor and the
Speaker 9: Grains over eighty percent of the time time and very
Speaker 9: very high Green alignment with her and masquer rating as
Speaker 9: people who represent disaffected Liberal voters who perhaps move towards
Speaker 9: one issue or the other that they feel that the
Speaker 9: coalition didn't quite carry for them, But it's been very
Speaker 9: clear what their voting record is. I would like to
Speaker 9: see the media make a follow up question with who
Speaker 9: were going to back if we get to a minority
Speaker 9: government with Well, your voting records says you voted Monique Ryan,
Speaker 9: the Memph Cuong with Labor and the Grains over eighty
Speaker 9: percent of the time. Is that an indication Those voting
Speaker 9: records are out there for every single TiAl in the Parliament,
Speaker 9: on every single bill, and that information has been disseminated,
Speaker 9: Yet the questions in the scrutinity fails.
Speaker 8: To be asked.
Speaker 1: Well, I've said a long way that I think that
Speaker 1: in terms of the Liberal Party and the way they
Speaker 1: should be focusing on these TiAl seeds is not necessarily
Speaker 1: to constantly tack them, because any attack on a cold
Speaker 1: strengthens it push the vote as low as you possibly can,
Speaker 1: so hopefully it denies them the world when it comes
Speaker 1: to preferences. Junk polling. This is a little communications skill
Speaker 1: where if you can pay the right person and get
Speaker 1: the right number and you get a headline saying polling
Speaker 1: says Darren by Neck next governor general, someone will run
Speaker 1: it somewhere and we've seen plenty of exaves.
Speaker 10: People want an online poll at three am?
Speaker 1: Yeah, why do people keep running these poles? Though? It's
Speaker 1: pretty obvious that Bowen's not going to lose his seat,
Speaker 1: as much as I'd love him too.
Speaker 10: Bo and he is not going to lose his seat.
Speaker 10: And Nora is Tony Bird. So look, if someone who
Speaker 10: is in pr is able to get that story covered,
Speaker 10: then you'd like to do that. That's kind of the
Speaker 10: nature of the industry and it doesn't mean that everybody
Speaker 10: has to take it incredibly seriously.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're saying a yay for the day for whoever
Speaker 1: was able to get that up. Yeah, right, Well, let's
Speaker 1: do winners and losers for the week. Christy who stands
Speaker 1: out for you? It can be political non political. We've
Speaker 1: run out of time for any other version. What do
Speaker 1: you think yes or no for when you're a loser.
Speaker 9: Well, I want to know who this amazing PR person
Speaker 9: was who peddled that poll out. That's whoever that was
Speaker 9: that won for me because I'm in PR and I
Speaker 9: pretty much would.
Speaker 4: Not been able to do that.
Speaker 9: The winner of the week the US stock market and
Speaker 9: anyone who bought shares in truth Social over the last
Speaker 9: twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: Yes, very good point.
Speaker 10: Couldn't agree more. The winners of the week of those
Speaker 10: who knew about truth Social. The losers the week are
Speaker 10: the rest of us.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Correct, But can I say what I always say about Trump? Yes,
Speaker 1: when you think thing is something is as good as
Speaker 1: it seems or as bad as it seems, wait one week, yep,
Speaker 1: wait one week and then find out what's happening. Basically,
Speaker 1: the Australian Stock exchange exactly back to where it was
Speaker 1: five days ago, the American back to where it was
Speaker 1: five days ago. And I love that's even though they're
Speaker 1: still keeping the ten percent tariff on Australia. I big God,
Speaker 1: love them all right, Thank you guys, do appreciate it.
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