WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 10 April 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:07.280 From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Sherry, 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:08.879 all the best to you and your family this weekend 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:11.360 and yes, Sidney's Royal East. The show does start tomorrow. 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.760 Huge crowds and inevitably a politician will turn up, and 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:17.479 because people go ciously when television cameras will turn up, 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:19.520 that will be interpreted as who is winning and who 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:23.720 is losing the election? Generally speaking, TV cameras equal kids 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.680 at ANISTA show, hyped up on fairy floss and fun, 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:30.160 probably to go a little bit crazy, So look forward 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:32.400 to the crazy spin that will come out all of that. 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:36.440 Now away from the election, we all have a basic 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:40.440 understanding that youth crime obviously major problem right across the country, 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:42.599 and we feel for the police who have to interact 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:44.559 and arrest these people over and over again. Very few 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:46.800 of them end up going to court. You will be amazed, 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:51.120 and I mean amazed, by the number of people who 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:55.120 police pick up who actually end up going to juvenile detention. 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:59.120 It is surprisingly low. But wait, doing you see just 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:02.880 how low it has been going Monday night, Tweedheads is 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:06.679 the location the Mavericks Pub test. This is going to 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:08.600 be fun. It's one of my favorite things that we 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:10.560 do each and every election. And I'm police to say 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.800 that Paul en Hanson, Matt Canavan, Bob Katz are there now, 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:16.160 I should tell you yes. Of course we have invited 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.399 the Trumpet Patriots, both their leader and Clive Palmer. I 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:22.120 believe Clive might be in Perth that time and the 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:24.240 leader has said they've got something else to do. So 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:27.039 that's why it's those three right now. But if you've 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.560 got a question, particularly about cost of living, I've got 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:32.959 a lot of great questions about everything from climate change 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.800 to America to Australian home ownership. Or if you've got 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:39.959 questions about what one nation, the opposition or the Cater 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.360 Australia Party would do when it comes to cost of living, 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.720 whacked that in, I reckon. I've got about twenty spots left, 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:46.840 and I know how many people watch us in and 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.760 around southeast Queensland, northern New South Wales and right across 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.600 that border area. Even when it was lockdown, people were 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.040 turning up to our shows that when they were there. 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.640 So now that everyone's free and easy and can be there, 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.520 be there Monday night if you can. The email pub 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.000 test at Skydnews dot com dot Au or of course, 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:05.360 just keep doing what you're doing right now, watching from 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.840 all over the country. Twenty three days to go in 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.880 the federal election of twenty and twenty five. Nothing is inevitable. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:14.560 Regardless of what the spin, the polls or the book is. 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.560 Nothing is inevitable. You still have to have yours say, 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.080 you can lead the conversations amongst your family and friends 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.560 of the information that you see here each and every night. 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:27.600 Twelve days less than two weeks before the first votes 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.000 are cast. Now, anyone who wanted to put their hand 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:33.560 up for parliament. Today was the lockoff day, meaning we 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:37.880 will probably by Monday or Tuesday of next week will 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:39.920 not only just know how many people are running in 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:42.200 how many seats, but they may well be ballot draws. 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:44.360 So when that's the case, I'll be able to show you, 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.200 probably in state of the race on Sunday night, but 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.480 definitely a couple of days after it, exactly in all 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.240 of those say twenty key seats, how many people are running? 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.680 Is it? Basically everyone preferencing against the Libs. Are there 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:58.880 a few center right parties that might help them out? 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.359 And we'll get deep into that conversation next week as well, 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:03.280 as we'll actually get to go for a deep dive 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:06.840 inside the electoral role. I know, exciting right. As for 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:08.959 the Prime Minister, well, he spent a bit of time 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:12.919 in Queensland today and of course he wanted to pretend 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:14.720 that he's a faux Queenslander. 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:19.720 I love Queensland and I know my yeppin from my 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:20.880 yupoon as well. 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:24.240 Reminds me of the cringe when he went to the 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.519 steel works around Valentine's Day. 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.400 Valentine's Day, Can I say this to all of you? 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:32.600 Roses are red. 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:39.560 Violence of blue. It's Valentine's Day and we love blue 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:40.400 polar workers. 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.200 That goes down well, right? Three more years of that? 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.600 I don't think so. But of course, being an election day, 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:55.400 there's only one way the Labour Party thinks they could 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:57.520 win that sly on top of that, of course, to 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.200 buy their way. So how much of your money did 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.880 he spend? As we go towards one point two trillion 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:04.680 dollars in deficit under his watch. 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.520 This reef program that we're announcing today will provide six 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:12.920 million dollars for kids for the Red, also million dollars 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:17.720 for local tourism operators and three million dollars to tropical 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:21.800 North Queensland to tourism. 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.400 Is such a fake. It's different caps. It's even different 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:27.360 caps feeding all right. Now, that of course adds to 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.320 the more than what forty five billion dollars worth of 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.320 promises that have been made thus far. Now, of course, 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:34.040 everyone else only counts from the start of the election campaign, 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:36.920 ignoring all of the pre election promises, which were about 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:39.880 the years to come. They were election promises, and all 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:42.719 of this is borrowed money, All of his promises in 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.800 dollar value since January. 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:50.480 A seven point two billion dollar announcement today five million 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:54.640 dollars ten million dollars, two hundred million dollars, three billion dollars, 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.919 three hundred and fifty million dollars, two billion dollars, thirty 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:01.080 seven million dollars, eight hundred and forty two million dollar, 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:05.000 two point four billion dollars, eight point five billion dollar, 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.679 four point eight billion dollar, one billion dollars, three point 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:12.839 four billion dollars, two point eight billion dollars, two hundred 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.680 million dollars, one hundred and fifty million dollars, one billion dollars, 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:20.320 two hundred and forty five million dollars, six million dollars million, 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.159 dollars three million dollars. 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:26.520 Other people's money, right, who cares? Does anyone actually vote 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:28.880 as a result of these types of promises, I don't know. 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:30.480 Or is it just a whole bunch of stuff that 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.960 you say in order to say you're doing something, all 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:36.360 of it borrowed money. Australia under this government goes from 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.640 surplus to deficit for the next ten years. Under the 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:43.039 Intergeneration Report, deficits all the way through the twenty twenties, thirties, forties, 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:46.520 fifties and into the twenty sixties. But you know, nothing 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.040 to see here, right. As for Peter Dunton, he was 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.080 on the trail and I've seen some polling, both public 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:55.920 and private, which is showing that the petrol price reduction, 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.880 the harving of petrol tax, is actually more popular with 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.479 people than the five dollars in fifteen months tax cut thing. Jeez, 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:03.960 what a surprise. We knew that from the date it 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.560 was announced, but slowly but surely that's the feedback that 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.120 he's coming back. Well that matter, when it comes to 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.039 the election, we'll all find out. But that was his 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.279 selling point again today. Our plan is to. 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.680 Provide in the short term a twenty five cent a 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.479 lead cut in the price of fuel, which for young 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:22.040 trades here and for pensioners and for people right across 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:25.320 the country that means about fourteen dollars fifteen dollars a 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.719 week straight off your petrol bill. 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.760 That message delivered in Victoria today that along with New 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.000 South Wales expected to be the places where most of 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:38.080 that changed seats towards the Liberal Party will come from. 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.000 We'll all wait and see. But for those that have 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.159 been waiting for the fire up, how's this for the 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.160 bloke who at times has been the preferred prime minister 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.359 but has also put labor right back in its box 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.880 for the past couple of years. I love this today. 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:51.359 More of it? 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.240 Please are the Prime Minister has lied about the two 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:57.360 hundred and seventy five dollars Australian families have suffered because 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.440 of that. He's lied about the fact that power prices 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.000 have now gone up by thirteen hundred dollars. That's the reality. 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:05.440 The Prime minist delight about falling off the stage for 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:05.920 some reason. 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.920 I mean it was caught on camera. Now interesting as 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:10.560 always to tell you how the media is trying to 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.040 spin the ball. Thank you to those who have sent 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.400 me the email saying exactly what left wing spin means. 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.680 I apologize doesn't come immediately to mind, of course, the 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.440 media thinking that they are still talking into a prime 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:22.960 minister who will still be there in three years, So 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.680 you wouldn't possibly want to upset him, let alone any 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:27.720 chance of a one on one that they're dangling in 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.240 front of you at some point over the next three weeks. 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.240 So keep playing nice or we'll ignore you. That's why 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:33.560 he gets questions like this. 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.000 This region become more reliant on China as a trading partner, 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:42.080 and how has your government strengthened that relationship since the 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:43.600 imposition of us Harritt. 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:47.440 How do you play Slabor's chances? Obviously there are a 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.440 lot of seats of playing particular That's why obviously hearing 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:51.680 like that, how do you think the labor is going. 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.440 To perform The way that you run a campaign, the 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:55.680 way that we cover a campaign is still fit for purpose? 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.720 Jeezus, I mean the tough stuff, right, the tough questions 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:04.000 Peter Dutton. The media of course last night, blaming him, 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.800 blaming him for his father's heart attack. I showed you 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.120 that footage. I'd showed that to an old mate after 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:10.920 the show last night, who has been around media for 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.760 a long time, genuinely shocked that that's the state of 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:16.960 what's being asked, but hadn't seen it anywhere. I had 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.600 to show them. I don't know why they were watching 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:21.600 the show that night, but you get my point. Plenty 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:23.560 people don't see this stuff, which is why you tune 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.280 into us each and every night to show you just 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.200 how they spin the ball for labor. You saw the 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.680 soft touch for albow. What did they do to Dutton today? 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:35.000 You've been criticized for borrowing, trumping and tactics. Do you 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:39.040 believe borrowing Trumpian tactics? Do you believe acts like this 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.720 for these from your candidates are damaging the liberal brand 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:43.360 and your brand overall liberal candidates. 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.360 Sorry. In the Melbourne Seed of Wills last year, pleaded 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:49.920 guilty to obtaining financial advantage by deception and was made 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.000 to pay fines and compensation worth more than ten thousand dollars. 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.640 Is this the standard that voters should accept and that 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:56.800 you accept. 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:57.080 At this time? 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.959 Is advocating for that position really an example of respond 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:01.040 economic management? 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:03.960 Just in case you need the reminder, the true cost 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:06.240 of labor over the past three years. In fact, the 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:10.520 numbers are true to this very minute. Last month, fifty 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.000 four thousand people lost their job. One point six million 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.640 homes are currently in mortgage stress, meaning they can't pay 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.080 their mortgage. Up to twelve interraesst rate rises. Two out 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.600 of three people can't afford their rent. They make it, 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.360 but they don't have much money left over for things 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.600 like groceries, which of course costs more than they ever have. 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.200 Three million people on the verge of homelessness, three point 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.679 seven million households that will have already run out of 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:33.720 food by this time this week, twenty nine thousand businesses 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:37.240 which went bust, the highest supermarket prices, the highest prices 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:41.959 thanks to taxation on alcohol, smoking and petrol, budget deficits 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:43.719 for the next forty years, and all of it one 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.880 point two trillion dollars worth of debts. Nothing to suit 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:51.240 you here, nothing to see you here. Now, they may 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:53.160 call me a little old fashion, but the way that 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.080 reporting is supposed to work when it comes to when 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.719 you had proximity two people in power is when they 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:02.480 make an announcement and you've clearly heard the speech, so 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.680 you've heard their version of them spinning an announcement, you 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:07.760 are supposed to have a moment when reporters turn around 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.920 and say, hang on, but yeah, but so in the 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.360 case of Anthony ibneasy, when he comes to we will 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.920 definitely put money into the Bruce Highway. Okay, but you 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.040 had budget surpass for three years. Why didn't you put 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:22.000 it in? Then? Oh, albo, we're doing more for mental health? 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.120 Hang on, you had budget surplaces. Why didn't you do 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:28.000 that for the past three years? General questions right, none 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:29.520 of that, of course, because they don't want to upset 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:32.440 the apple card. Now a perfect example of how this 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.120 is done and how it can shake an election. A 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:40.240 single question can shake an election. Let's go back twenty nineteen. 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.400 Jonathan Lee at the time working for Channel ten, asking 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:45.560 questions of Bill Shorten, who at the time was running 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.760 around not putting any numbers on what eventually became the 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.840 climate policies of the Labor Party. Remember the lie about 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:55.280 two seventy five, the lie about hundreds of thousands of jobs, Well, 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:57.800 they were all just lipstick on the pig that Bill 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.000 Shorten tried to take to market and got rejected by 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.280 the Australian people. And Jonathan Lee looked in right in 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:05.400 the eye and had a set of stones better than 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.080 most who go opposite these people, because he couldn't care 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.800 less if he gets invited to special Friday drinks with 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.680 the boss. That's what they call political figures in Australia 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.000 behind the scenes. By the way, you remember the question. 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:18.000 And people know? 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.400 Dan? When can people know, mister Shorten the cost of 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.000 You didn't answer the john I'm going to go to that. 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:24.200 You should answer the question. 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:26.000 That's why we're here to ask questions and you're not 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:27.280 answering the question, Dan. 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:29.160 Can people expect to know mister short and the cost 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.560 of the economy? Dan? Why can't you answer the question, 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:33.400 mister Shorton? Because I'm going to give your colleagues half 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.679 agar No, because you should answer it. Why can't you 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:39.800 answer the question, mister Shorton? Great, excellent. I love that 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:42.840 stuff now. I don't mind if Albert gets it every day, 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:46.040 Dutton gets it every day, Bant gets it every day. 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.439 That is a fine exchange, no problem with that whatsoever. 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:53.120 It's not like the rubbish like we've seen of recent times, 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:58.640 where again Channel seven last night basically infers that Peter 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.840 Dunton is somehow responsible for his father's heart attack. Apparently 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:03.480 doing better in hospital right now. All the best to 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.600 Bruce and the Wider Dune family. But that's the way 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:10.240 it's supposed to work. Instead, I remember way back when 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:12.079 like this a long time ago. But the game is 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.120 exactly the same because many of the people playing it 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.439 today for the prime Minister were playing it for people 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.480 like Bob Carther and you, Soiba's premier way back when. 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.000 Because it's junior reporters who often end up going out 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:26.000 and going out on the trail, what ends up happening 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.800 is that special friendships are formed where this long time 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.000 labor staff for why are they paying attention to little 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.000 old twenty one year old me? And you start to 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:37.800 think there's something special about me. And I'm saying, I 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:39.679 openly say I fell for it why because it didn't 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.079 know better. Wouldn't fall for it now, They wouldn'tdare come 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:45.480 near me now. But this is how it works. And 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.400 you'll start to see a whole bunch of one on 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.000 ones that'll turn up on lots of TV news and 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.080 they will be done by junior reporters. They'll mostly happen 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.600 in the last two weeks of the campaign. Why because 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.400 they are dangled. Oh look in idea, is there something 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:01.280 really special about you. In certain I reckon you know 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.640 the boss really likes you. Do you want to have 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:05.880 a sit down interview? So they play nice for the 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.280 majority of the campaign. The payoff for the show real. 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.000 They get to sit down and interview the leader. The 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:12.920 message they can send back to their boss. Look how 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:14.520 good I am. I got to interview the prime minister. 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.080 What this means is the people's self police. It means 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.280 they don't behave like Jonathan did in that press conference. 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:25.679 People who know better know not to fall for it. 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.880 And I can't attack young people who maybe this is 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.320 their first rodeo around the country, but they are not 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:34.000 your friends. If you are watching in a hotel room 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.160 right now and you're one of the very few lucky 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:39.480 people to be on the proverbial buses, they are not 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:43.760 your mates. Despite what they promise, and despite how many 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:48.480 beers you've had in the hotel lobby tonight, nothing different 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:51.080 is going to change when it comes to your access 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:53.080 to power on the other side of the election, they'll 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.320 still refer back to the boss or the big Boss 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.920 or the boss Boss Boss in a different city. That's 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:02.480 how it really works. Person who, like everyone, started out 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:06.800 as a junior reporter somewhere, then became the head of 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:10.600 politics for the ABC, the host of the seven thirty Report, 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.880 the head of politics for Channel nine, and a man 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:17.200 who has done analysis here on Sky News, but of 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:22.520 course did that incredible documentary about the cost of renewables, 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:27.360 dealing with the facts and the reality. He was somebody 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:30.080 who played more like Jonathan Lee today than many of 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.120 the people who are a softball in the prime minister 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.040 or their ministers at the moment. You will have heard 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.040 that the National Press Club had its Energy debate today, 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.920 Ted O'Brien representing the opposition, blackout bar and representing the government. 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.560 It's in Canberra, so Labour thinks they're playing a home game. 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:48.680 But you know who absolutely bolded up bang the bloke 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:50.320 who wasn't going to back down, the bloke who knows 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:52.360 what he's talking about, the bloke who doesn't fall for 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.280 the spin, the b as the direction or the oh 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:55.880 if you playing nice so we can have one on 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:59.360 one chat later which will impress your boss. How good 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.000 is Chris us? Woman giving it to Chris Bowen. Now, 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:05.360 I'm not going to show you little cuts of this 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:06.840 and talk in between. I'm going to show you the 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:11.680 whole thing. Sit back and enjoy a real journalist, a 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:16.760 real person of expertise taking on an absolute used car salesman. 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:18.840 Have a look, Chris Bowen. 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.720 In December twenty twenty one, you commissioned modeling which showed 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:25.840 and you pledged that you would drop power prices by 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:30.160 now by two hundred and seventy five dollars for residential homes. 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:31.520 You committed to. 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.560 It again in April twenty twenty two, when you were 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:37.960 told that modeling was flawed, you continued to commit to it. 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.400 In twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four, even though 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.640 electricity prices were rising. You continued to be committed to 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.080 it when you started subsidizing power bills. 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:47.920 And now this year, as. 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.400 Subsidies now have tracked through a new record and they're 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.400 going through to the end of the year, you're spending 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.640 billions of dollars on that. You are now claiming that 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:59.880 electricity price falls due to subsidies are a fall in 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:04.960 electricity bill. Now, electricity prices are rising, aren't they, Minister. 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.560 That's written into a level every electricity bill, isn't it, Minister. 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:12.480 And if you can't admit that simple fact, here today. 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.880 Why should anyone believe anything that you say? 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:18.360 Well, thanks very much for the question, Chris. I'm not 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:22.760 exactly sure what your question is really in reality, you've 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:23.520 got strong views. 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.520 Sorry our electricity prices. Going back, Chris, press you up downs. 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:31.440 I didn't interrupt. I didn't interrupt a question. Do I 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:31.920 get to answer? 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.200 Do I get to answer it? Thank you. You've got 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:37.960 strong views about these matters, which you express on Sky 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:40.840 News in the evenings, and that's your right. I disagree 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:42.840 with the way that you look at these matters. I 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.920 disagree with the approach that you take. Respectfully, I think 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:48.480 that renewable energy is. 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:49.480 The cheapest form of energy. 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:53.160 You disagree with me, you disagree with the CSIRO. You're 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.600 perfectly in told of that point of view. I have 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:59.040 said at the outset in my opening remarks, energy prices 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:01.280 are hard and I'd like them to of course they are. 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:03.320 I think everyone would say that. 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:07.440 I think normal Australians at home also look around the 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.640 world and know that people around the world are dealing 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.760 with similar issues. Countries with different policies in place, are 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:17.360 all dealing with high energy prices with great respect. It's 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.760 disingenuous and dishonest. Of you to blame all this so 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:21.760 renewable energy as you do on. 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:22.760 Sky in the Evenings. 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.240 It's just not right, sir, It's just not fair. 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:26.480 You're entitled to that view. 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:30.840 It's a very very simple question. Have electricity prices risen 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:34.800 on your watch? The exact opposite of what you pledged? 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:36.719 Have that? We have never denied. 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:40.080 We have never denied that energy prices are higher than 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.040 we would like. That's why we've delivered three rounds of 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.080 energy to be relief Bild relief strategy. 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:48.480 You wrote, electricity prices have fallen. That's not true, is it. 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:48.800 Well? 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:50.680 The fact of the matter is, if you look at 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:54.120 the recent data, Australia's had the lowest energy inflation. 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:54.960 In the world. 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.800 Know, you might deny that, and I know you deny 0:17:58.840 --> 0:17:59.359 several things. 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:00.920 The reason for it? What is the reason for. 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:03.600 Mister you and you're asking a question or are your debating? 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:05.679 It's just that you are completely avoiding it, as you 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:06.280 always do. 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:06.960 We get a blast. 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:08.760 I know you're a man of astronomies in these matters, 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.080 and I said, I've always had respects for you, but 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:14.760 I have a fundamentally different view to the one that 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.639 you have developed in recent years, which you express on 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:18.280 sky Now. 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:21.879 Your premise on renewables is true. Electricity prices will fall 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:22.960 in your next. 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.159 Term well as again, i'd refer you to the au 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.640 straight Energy Market Commission report which says, if we keep 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.920 the path we're on, energy prices will fall by thirty 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:32.280 percent over the next ten years. 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:37.680 You might deny that. I don't extraordinary It is an extraordinary. Firstly, 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:42.480 that's the way it's supposed to work. Well informed skepticism 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:45.840 of what government is saying, holding them to account for 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:48.280 what they have said in the past, giving them an 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:51.160 opportunity to answer the question, but then bringing them back 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.000 to the centerpiece of your question. If they just try 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.880 to change the subject to any and everyone who's having 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:01.040 a lot of fun taken selfies posting them up on Instagram. 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:04.040