1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: If you saw a couple of cars go pass with 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: no number plates, being driven by furtive looking people wearing 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: black hoodies, sunglasses and possibly high vis vests, you would 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: now know that you witnessed the aftermath of a very cheeky, 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: brazen crime. A clever, cunning, plausible kid, quick with a joke, 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: quick with a smoke, and a good line of patter, 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: and headed from an early age towards a life of crime. 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Rule. This is life and crimes. Well. One 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: of the interesting crime stories this week was the brazen 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: theft of forty five brand new unregistered cars or motor 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: vehicles from an open yard, an open storage yard I 12 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: think you would call it in Salmon Street, Port, Melbourne. 13 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: Now this happened on Sunday afternoon, about mid afternoon, and 14 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: sometime between that time and six thirty next morning on 15 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: the Monday morning, these cars were driven out. Now what 16 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: we think happened is two chaps rolled up in a 17 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: vehicle and they were wearing of course high viz vests 18 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: because when you want to be invisible, you must wear 19 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: high vis and because they had the orange high viz 20 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: sleeveless vests on, they were able to wander over to 21 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: the gate of this big open yard where these cars 22 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: are stored after being brought off ships, and I think 23 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: they were able to just cut the chain or otherwise 24 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: open it fairly easily. And interestingly, there was a big 25 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: enough gap behind the gate that they opened for cars 26 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: to come in and out. There were not lockable bollards 27 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: in place or anything like that, so as soon as 28 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: they opened those gates, I think probably just opened with 29 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: bolt cutters. I might be wrong something like that. They 30 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: were able to go inside and pinch cars. Now, it 31 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: would appear that when these cars are brought in from 32 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: the ships they have to be driven off. They obviously 33 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: have their keys in them, which they must leave in 34 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: them either in the ignition or on the floor or somewhere, 35 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: and they have a little bit of fuel, not much. 36 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: It turns out that some of these cars were found 37 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: not far away because they had such little fuel in 38 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: them that they had to abandon them. But most of 39 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: them disappeared. That is forty five cars, including twenty odd 40 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: Honda Civic late model Honda Civis brand new, and various 41 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: types of van and various scoters and so on and 42 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: so forth. I'm not sure which ones they thought were 43 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: the most valuable or the most resaleable. But I suspect 44 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: that if the thieves get away with these cars, they 45 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: will end up probably shipping them into state, you would imagine, 46 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: and they're doctoring them up with false identities from other vehicles, 47 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: maybe wrecked cars or whatever it might be, or maybe 48 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: they stripped them for parts. They might be all sorts 49 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: of ways of profiting from this crime if you have 50 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: so many brand new cars to choose from. It took 51 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: quite a long while for the thieves to do this 52 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: because in effect there were about ten people involved, and 53 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: the police believe that what happened was having got into 54 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: the car yard this handful of people, they then jumped 55 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: on their mobile phones and called in their mates and 56 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: mates of mates to turn up quickly and come along 57 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: and help move cars. So they'd drive them out through 58 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: the gate and then somebody else would jump in one 59 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: and head off, and they scattered all over Melbourne. Now 60 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: the balloon has gone up on Monday morning, that is 61 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: Monday morning, October the twenty first, I think it was, 62 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: And by the middle of that afternoon the police had 63 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: arrested one forty two year old woman who I think 64 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: is from Paran, and that woman was arrested at broad Meadows, 65 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: so I think she's a Pran resident arrested at broad Meadows. 66 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: And there's relatively clear CCTV footage of a woman that 67 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: we would presume is the arrested woman at the scene. 68 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: She's standing outside a vehicle that clearly these people have 69 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: driven to the car yard. She's wearing big dark sunglasses surprise, surprise, 70 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: and a black top and some fairly sort of dirty 71 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: looking tracksuit bottoms. No surprises there. At the time of 72 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: recording our podcast, it would appear that at least seventeen 73 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: of these cars have been recovered, so not all of 74 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: them got where they were going because they didn't have 75 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: enough fuel or the crooks decided that some of them 76 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: they didn't want on. Presuming that some of these scooters 77 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: that were easy to get out of the place may 78 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: not be as profitable an item on the black market 79 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: as some of the other vehicles, I think some of 80 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,559 Speaker 1: the others, like the Hondas and others, were a better 81 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: proposition for criminals to profit from. In effect, of course, 82 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: the crooks had a convoy of cars leaving Salmon Street 83 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: and then heading out into the urbs that would give 84 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: police a bit of an idea which way they were heading, 85 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: because they would be able to pick up some other 86 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: security footage from different businesses along the way, and presumably 87 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: there are traffic cameras and so forth set up that 88 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: would give police a bit of an idea of where 89 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: many of these cars went. Now, they are unregistered, which 90 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: means they've been driven off without number plates. So the 91 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: giveaway for anyone who thinks they've seen this is brand 92 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: new cars, no number plates, and some of them in 93 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: fact still had the plastic sticky sheeting that they use 94 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: to cover cars when they are being transported by ship. 95 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: Some of them still had that stuff on them, so 96 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: they would stand out a bit. If you're out on 97 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: a Sunday drive and you saw a couple of cars 98 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: go past with no number plates, being driven by furtive 99 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: looking people wearing black hoodies, sunglasses and possibly high vis vests, 100 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: you would now know that you witnessed the aftermath of 101 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: a very cheeky, brazen crime. But this is not the 102 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: first time that such a thing has happened in that area. 103 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: This reminded veteran reporters of other events, and one that 104 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: comes to mind is the story recounted to this reporter 105 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: many years ago by David McMillan. Now, McMillan is someone 106 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: that our listeners will recall is the man we dubbed mcvillain. 107 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: Mcvillain is David McMillan, who I think was actually born 108 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: in London to Australian parents. And some of you will 109 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: recall that he grew up here in Melbourne and went 110 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: to Caulfield Grammar with people like Nick Cave and others, 111 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: and Christopher Scase I think also went there and various 112 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: other people. And mcvillaan was always a very naughty lad. 113 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: I think he might have been expelled from Corfield Grammar 114 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: for being bad. There was always talk that he was 115 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: a person who would steal credit cards and cash, and 116 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: that he would buy and sell drugs, et cetera, et cetera. 117 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: He was always a clever, cunning, plausible kid, quick with 118 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: a joke, quick with a smoke, and a good line 119 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: of patter, and headed from an early age towards a 120 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: life of crime. And David McMillan would go on to 121 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: become an international drug runner. He would go on to 122 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: become someone who was locked up in Australia for a 123 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: lengthy period of time and locked up in what we 124 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: call the Bangkok Hilton, which is the biggest, baddest jail 125 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: in Asia probably and he notably escaped from the Bangkok 126 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: Hilton in Thailand using a very very ingenious method to 127 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: get over the wall, and probably also using some of 128 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: his ill gotten gains from drug running to bribe the 129 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: very bribeable guards who were looking after him in the 130 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 1: Bangkok Hilton. And so having reminded ourselves about who David 131 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: McMillan was, we will go back to his early days 132 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: in Melbourne. Now when he's in his early twenties, this 133 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: young fella, he's been kicked out a school, he's picked 134 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: up the odd job in advertising in cinemas and other places, 135 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: but he's starting to hang around with crooks. He's running 136 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: Heroine into the country. He was smart, he was cunning, 137 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: he was clever, and he was a guy who took 138 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: advantage of the system as it then was, and the 139 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: system back in the seventies was open to exploitation and corruption. 140 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: What he was able to do back then, and what 141 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: cunning crooks did then, was to equip themselves with false 142 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: passports that were absolutely genuine to look at and in 143 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: a sense they were genuine passports, but they were made 144 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: out to people in the wrong names. They were real passports, 145 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: but the names and photographs in them were false. And 146 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: what he'd do is go to the death notices from 147 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: around the time, say he was born, say he was 148 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: born in nineteen fifty six. He go to death notices 149 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: from around that time, and he would find the odd 150 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: young child that had died, or baby a stillborn birth, 151 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: or a young child that had died. He would then 152 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: find the details of that child's birth, often by going 153 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: to cemeteries and writing down the details of their birth 154 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: and so forth from the headstones, and that would equip 155 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: him to go to birth, death and marriages and get 156 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: himself a birth certificate in that person's name. And in 157 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: that era, before computerization, the records weren't all linked up together, 158 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: and so if you got a birth certificate, you know, 159 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: basically typed up in hand written and all the rest 160 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: of it from the appropriate government office in Melbourne. I 161 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: think one was in La Trope Street, it doesn't matter 162 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: where it was. You could go there and get them 163 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: and then he would take that and he could set 164 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 1: up bank accounts and set up other means of identity, 165 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: and that would be able to be used or abused 166 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: manipulated to get a passport in that dead kid's name 167 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: as if the child had lived and was now an adult. 168 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: And so there our friend McMillan would be with a 169 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: passport that said Michael Jones or whatever it might be, 170 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: and he was able to use that technique to get 171 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: multiple passports for himself and others, and they would use 172 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: those passports to travel the world and bring back Heroine. 173 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: The beautiful thing about the passports scam was that he 174 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: could fly into highly suspicious destinations in Asia, such as 175 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: Bangkok and places in Vietnam, perhaps the Middle East, India 176 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: wherever places were known sources of cheap drugs, he could 177 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: obtain the drugs. He could then fly out of those 178 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: places using a different passport and go to somewhere like 179 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: Sweden or something like that. Then he would fly into 180 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: London from Sweden. Then, depending which passport he'd used, he 181 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: would then have established himself as having traveled to Sweden, 182 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: then to London back to Australia. And so when the 183 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: Australian authorities looked at whichever passport he produced, there was 184 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: no sign of that guy having been in the Middle East, 185 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: and therefore he would not be flagged for a search 186 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: of his luggage. But of course what he had in 187 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: his luggage was large amounts of heroin, and that meant 188 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: that mcvillain was bringing in a heap of stuff. His 189 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: couriers were bringing in a heap of contraband heroin, selling 190 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: it for tens of thousands of dollars a week. And 191 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: he had so much money, so much cash, money that 192 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: he wouldn't even count at all. He described once to 193 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: me that he would jam it all on a table 194 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: with a weight on it. And he worked out that 195 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: if you measured what he called nine inches, inches were 196 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: what we used to measure things in the old days, 197 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: and nine inches is roughly a man's handspan, and that 198 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: amount of paper money in certain denominations, whichever, say, fifty 199 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: dollar notes, was one hundred and forty thousand dollars or 200 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: whatever it was, And so he had a rough idea 201 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: just by looking at a pile of notes of particular 202 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: denominations how much money it was. But he didn't bother 203 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: counting it too much, because it didn't really matter within 204 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: a few thousand if he was missing some or had 205 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: more just didn't matter to him. This is the man who, 206 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 1: at the age of twenty two, was making his way 207 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: in the criminal underworld of Melbourne, an underworld he'd never 208 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: grown up in. He'd grown up in middle class in 209 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: a suburban eastern suburbs. As I said, he'd gone to 210 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: court for grammar. His mother was a beautiful, stylish, fashionable 211 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: woman who happened to live with one of the leading 212 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: society abortionists of the era. So there was a bit 213 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: of law breaking going on. But he wasn't a kid 214 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: who had rubbed shoulders with bank robbers and all the 215 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: rest of it. But now he started to do that 216 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: because that was the way he rolled, really and he 217 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: got mixed up with a really good little armed robber 218 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: and truck hijacker, a low called Danny McIntosh who was 219 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: particularly good at those dark arts. And Danny McIntosh and 220 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: some others have heard that they can pull a massive 221 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: high in not Port Melbourne, but right next door in 222 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: South Melbourne. The target is a place called Guthrie Trading. 223 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: Guthrie Trading in those days in the seventies used to 224 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: import guns, among other things, and worded leaked out this 225 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: is the thing about guns, guns, cash and drugs. They 226 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: attract people. They attract a lot of attention. And the 227 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: thing about guns is they attract the attention of not 228 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: just crooks as in criminals. They attract the attention of 229 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: people who like guns. So you'll get prison guards, you'll 230 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: get police, you'll get ex soldiers, you'll get hunters, you'll 231 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: get you know, possibly farmers. Guns are something that a 232 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: lot of people are quite interested in, not necessarily because 233 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: they want to rob banks or something, but they just 234 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: fancy them. And therefore it's wise not to talk about 235 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: where they are, or where they might be stored, or 236 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: where they might be imported. But someone somewhere had leaked 237 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: that Guthrie Trading had a brand new consignment straight off 238 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: the boat of something like one hundred and eighty brand 239 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: new pistols. There. This is Colts and it was Barretta's 240 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: and it was a whole heap of brand new stuff 241 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: worth good money on the legit market, worth good money, 242 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: but worth a hell of a lot more on the 243 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: black market, because people will pay for that sort of stuff. 244 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: And what happened was Danny McIntosh was running the show, 245 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: but one of the guys wearing the balaclavas with him 246 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: we think was probably David McMillan, and I think there 247 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: was Danny McIntosh plus five others, six altogether. They go 248 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: into this warehouse, the gun warehouse, with Balaclav's, with bags 249 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: and with guns of their own. The gunman hold up 250 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: the gun business or the gun place, the gun warehouse, 251 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: and they fill all their bags with so many pistols 252 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: that can hardly carry them. And then they leave wearing 253 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: their bella clavers, and they I think threw them in 254 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 1: the backs of cars and things, and the way they went. Now, 255 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: the police was so unhappy about this, so distraught that 256 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: this had happened, that they sent out word to the underworld. 257 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: In those days, the police were inclined to rub shoulders 258 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: with certain members of the underworld. The consorting squad would 259 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: consort with known criminals in order to find out information 260 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: and possibly even pass on a bit. And the word 261 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: went out from the police who couldn't find these guns, 262 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: they raided places, couldn't find them, and said, we want 263 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: you blogs to make sure that those guns don't end 264 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: up on the street in the hands of idiots where 265 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: they will endanger the public, or be used for random crimes, 266 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: or endanger police. So basicly, the coppers put the crooks 267 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,479 Speaker 1: on notice not to be selling those guns in pubs 268 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: to lunatics, which was very nice of them really, and 269 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: indeed they were fairly careful. According to David McMillan, who 270 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 1: did not want to incriminate himself, but he did say this, 271 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: he said, they were broken up into seven different cases 272 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: of guns. I think there might have been a total 273 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: of seven people involved in this, and each case they 274 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: stripped them down, pull them apart, coated them in oil 275 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: so that they wouldn't rust or otherwise be harmed by 276 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: the elements or anything else or moisture, and then each 277 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: person stole away into the night with their cache of 278 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: stolen guns. And what happened to all of them we 279 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: won't know. Probably most of them are still out there somewhere. 280 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 1: It's possible that some of them ended up back in 281 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: police hands and that some didn't. But the bit we 282 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: do know is that if we trust David McMillan, and 283 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: I don't know why you would, but anyway, this is 284 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: his story. McMillan, who was a very flashy, pretentious character, 285 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: as he later admitted, he had a beautiful leather suit 286 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: mate and in this leather suit. He had leather pockets 287 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: inserted in this sort of a long top coat. So 288 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: he was like some sort of cross between Batman and 289 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: Wyatt Earth or something, or bat Masterson maybe, And he 290 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: had these long leather lined pockets and he would use 291 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: those instead of holsters. And what he had were two 292 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: matched pistols, twenty two pistols with silences on. Now, the 293 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: combination of a target pistol with a silencer ended up 294 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: about eighteen inches long, which is in the modern money 295 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: is around the forty centim say, are a bit more, 296 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: and that made them quite a clumsy item. And he 297 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: had one on each side of his body in his coat, 298 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: and for a little while there he said he used 299 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: to wear this thing around. But he also on one 300 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: occasion he wanted to recover some money from a fellow 301 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: called Jacob, who owed some cash to David's girlfriend, Clelia Vigano. 302 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: Clelia Vigeno was the daughter of a very famous and 303 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: much loved Melbourne restauranteur, and Clelia ended up dying in 304 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: a fire in fairly women's prison, which is very tragic. 305 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: But this is back before the tragedy of the fire, 306 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: and David is trying to impress Clelia with his sort 307 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: of criminal no how and all the rest of it, 308 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: and as well as he's two silence pistols in his 309 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: coat pockets. He carried a big heavy handgun, something like 310 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: a three point fifty seven I think it was, and 311 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: in it it had the heaviest load of copper jacketed bullets. 312 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: These are the ones that will go through anything except 313 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: an engine block. They're made for stopping cars when police 314 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: shoot at cars whatever. There he is in Clelia's parents 315 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: restaurant building. It's a big building. It's got multiple floors. 316 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: He is in the floor above where the restaurant area 317 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: is and the pub area the bar area right. And 318 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: it is about ten past ten in the evening, which 319 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: was very lucky because if it had been ten minutes 320 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: to ten, the bar below would have had quite a 321 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: lot of people in it. It was ten after ten, 322 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: which meant theoretically it should have been clear of people. 323 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: And that matters because while he's mucking around in the 324 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: bathroom upstairs, as can happen, he accidentally triggers the trigger 325 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: on the three point fifty seven, the big heavy handgun 326 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: and the copper jacketed bullet ultra powerful heavy load et cetera. 327 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: Goes straight through the floor. It goes off like a cannon. 328 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: It goes straight through the floor, that wooden floorboards into 329 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: the bar below. Now, as he pointed out later when 330 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: he told this, had it been earlier, it probably would 331 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: have killed somebody. But no one was there and so 332 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: it didn't hurt anybody. But the rest of the family 333 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: got to know all about it. And when he came 334 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: down for breakfast next morning, Cloudlya's father, mister Vigano, said, 335 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: no more guns. If there's any more guns, well you 336 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: won't be coming back here. And he was right, and 337 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: for once in his miserable life, David McMillan took the 338 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: hint and he gave up walking around carrying guns. As 339 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: he set himself, it wasn't really his go. Had he 340 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: been even smarter, he would have given up running drugs, 341 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: but he didn't, and in the end he would end 342 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: up arrested and in jail in several countries around the world, 343 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: and now in his late sixties, approaching seventy. In fact, 344 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: it's hard to know whether he's inside or out. But 345 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 1: he will die broke, and he will die with a 346 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: very long criminal record. 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