WEBVTT - Hamish McLachlan Joins Us For Men's Mental Health Week 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:05.960 We get you money every day, every lady, Gentleman adelaides, 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:07.640 I don't know jokes. 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:10.200 It is Men's Mental Health Week, and you know that 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:11.920 I'm a big fan of the next guest, and that 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:14.480 is Channel seven's Hamish mcgonchlain, because I think that he 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:17.599 is probably the best communicator in the business. So, first 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:19.720 of all, ham good morning to you. Thanks for jumping 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:20.560 on board with us. 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.080 Hazy Jodes, I'm not sure whether my wife would agree 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.079 with you, but I appreciate the sentiment. 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:29.320 I watched the way that you go about things, and 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:31.720 in a time where it's more and more important for 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:33.960 men to communicate how we're feeling and things like that, 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:36.479 you do it better than most. So it is Men's 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:38.480 Mental Health Week. Can I ask you it's a pretty 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.040 poor question, but in terms of the way that you 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:43.760 talk about these things, and in terms of the progression 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:45.720 that men are making in this space, do you think 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:46.920 that we're getting somewhere? 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:50.600 I think, absolutely, Hazy, we're getting somewhere. When I'm forty 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:53.360 nine fifty in August. When I was growing up, this 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:57.279 subject was almost taboo. We didn't really discuss at all. 0:00:57.560 --> 0:00:59.840 Your timing of the phone calls great in the fact 0:00:59.880 --> 0:01:03.320 that this morning I have a good made of mind 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:07.000 Justin Kazitzki, who if you've watched Unfielded, he's spoken about 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:09.440 how he's really battled over the journey and he's tried 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:12.399 to take his life before he comes and gives my 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:15.120 nine year old kicking lessons on the oval in front 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:17.160 of our house. I always go and get coffees. On 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:18.960 the way back from getting a coffee, I ran into 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.480 a mate and he said, is that out there? And 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.120 I said that's Justin Kazizski. Do you know his story? 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.400 And he said no, And we spoke about it now 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:28.880 af about five or six minutes. He was teary and 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:31.480 I think it's just good to be discussed. And he 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:35.200 said everyone's got a story, don't they? And I said, well, yeah, absolutely. 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:38.080 But the fact that I get Cozy to kick not 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.759 because I really want Lex to become a better kick. 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:44.600 I certainly do want that to happen, but keep Cozy busy. 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:46.919 And he's always said idle hands of the devil's tools. 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.120 And the more he talks about his battle, the more 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:52.080 people can help him. So it's okay, every Thursday, seven o'clock, 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.160 I'll meet you here. We kick yeah, I mean long 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:57.680 winded answer. But your question is are we better? I 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.320 think absolutely the fact that we're all talking about this 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.280 on radio and there's no uncomfortableness, and we've all got 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:05.600 a mate that has suffered or is suffering, and the 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:07.400 more we talk about I think the easier it is 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:07.800 for all. 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:09.560 Hamish, we're going to get you to stick around if 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.080 that's okay. This is a really important conversation and we 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:13.160 want to hear some more from you. 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.639 More from Hamish maclachlin from Channel seven. After this, it's 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:17.040 Jodie and Hazy on nob Hamis. 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.840 It's a really interesting week on a personal level for 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.800 me because I have a school friend who is to 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:26.320 look at you would think happy, go lucky, and he 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:28.760 is struggling so badly. And I think the question that 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.160 I have and that most people have, is what do 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:31.880 you say? 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:33.079 What do you do? 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.640 Because it feels really helpless to sit back and watch 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.720 someone be so mean to themselves. If that makes sense. 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:43.080 Yeah, I'm not sure if there is a silver bullet 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.840 for what it is that you do or say, but 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.639 I think them knowing that you know jod'es and you 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:53.480 checking in regularly and walking and talking and just sometimes 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:55.760 it's a touch as much as anything. Oh ring cozy 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.880 or got a great mate that's really battling at the moment, 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.560 similar it'll just be And sometimes the phone doesn't get 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:05.000 picked up, and that's when you worry. But I think 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.239 it's just a constant contact and the knowing that people care. 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.760 I think when you are alone and suffering and you're 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:13.919 afraid to talk about it or a shamed to talk 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.880 about it because you've got mental ill health, I think 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:21.040 things get a lot darker and stormier. But when you 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:24.280 know that there's people around you that want you to 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:28.280 feel better and be better, I think it's an easier journey. 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:33.080 So your friend that is really battling, if it's in 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.640 complete silence, I think it's part of the fact that 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.520 you know and they know you know, and there is 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.400 a platform and a bridge to walk across and talk 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.080 and to the canvas as well. I think that's just 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.800 got to be a healthy thing. I've got a couple 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.240 of brothers that I'm very close to. They've lost a 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.720 couple of brothers this year, and we try and talk 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.440 and walk and I share things that I find that 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:59.120 may help them. And it's not an area that's uncomfortable 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.960 for any of us. It's a reality that is disappointing 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.400 for all of us. So okay, let's address it. Let's 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.440 talk about it. I found Billy Bob Thornton was talking 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.800 about how he'd lost a brother and he at any 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.960 point in time, feels nothing other than at least fifty percent, 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.640 said sometimes more. But that's his legacy at how he 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:17.440 remembers his brother. So I thought, do I share this 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:19.719 or not? And I send it to these two brothers 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:22.480 and I both came back and said, that's exactly how 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.960 I feel. So, you know, as opposed to not addressing 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:26.800 and I'm not talking about it, you know, it's like 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.160 you're not alone here. This is happening everywhere. Let's keep 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:32.800 talking and let's keep sharing, and let's keep working. You know, 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.400 I can't fix it, but you can probably make days easier. 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:38.960 Yeah, And you know it's been a horror couple of years, 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.719 particularly for form players in the AFL. What makes this 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:43.200 so deeply personal for you? 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.760 Hamish have friends that are no longer here and they 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:50.359 you know, Spud was the first of my mates to 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.520 take his own life. I knew that he was battling. 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:56.679 We spoke about it. I thought he was in better 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.760 shape than he clearly was. But the one thing new 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.200 added to it, Joe's I'm sure hazy. You know, if 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.920 you come into contact with two hundred people today, there's 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.119 going to be a lot of those that have mental 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:11.520 ill health in some way, shape or form. It's like 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:13.880 having a headache or a broken arm, or a sore 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.800 arm or a you know, it's just a part of 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.360 our days. And the fact that now we are better 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:20.960 at talking about is going to help. Like if I've 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.080 got a headache, I still got a headache and go 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.400 and address it. It's the same with mental ial health. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.680 It's like I'm not feeling good. I need to go 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.239 and speak to someone, talk to someone, get the best 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.880 professional advice that I can, or you know, just go 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.320 for a walk with jokes. That sometimes helps as well. 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.120 I think the other thing that I've learned is that 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:43.040 no one's immune. It doesn't discriminate its attacks from every angle. 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:47.599 And just because you've played three hundred games, or you 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.320 live in a nice house, or your bank account is full, 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:54.160 or you've got a terrific family with healthy kids, you're 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:57.200 not immune to this by any stretch. And we need 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:59.640 to be aware of that, and the kinder we are 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:01.920 to each other, and the more interested we are in 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.400 each other, and the more empathetic we are with each other. 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.520 I think that's a starting point, and then then people 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:10.480 feel comfortable to discuss where they are at in their 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.760 lives and how potentially we can help. 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.360 I've got to say listening to is therapeutic. I'd like 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:18.159 to sit here and listen to you all morning. And Mate, 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:19.599 I've got to say, well, I'm with this stuff and 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.719 unfiltered on Channel seven because look, what's not you is 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.039 someone seeing down with someone and having a chat. But 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.000 to put it on such a platform where it's so powerful, 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.920 you're making difference. So thank you very much, mate, it's awesome. 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.559 Pleasure, Hazy Jades, thanks for talking. And if anyone's listening 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.600 that is battling, find someone you're comfortable with them, tell 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:38.800 them how you're feeling. And yeah, that's the first step, 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:39.600 I hope. 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.320 Now, Jodes, it's time to talk about someone who you 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:47.880 have so much admiration for. So I couldn't be more sarcastic, No, 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:49.960 I know, let's talk about Annie Knight, shall we? Yes? 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:50.240 I can. 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.880 Yeah, So for people who aren't familiar with Annie Knight's work. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:57.200 Do tell Yeah, Well, she started on OnlyFans and now 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:01.840 basically she's a sex worker, is she not? I don't know. 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:05.520 She's a genuine porn star. She works in the X 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:07.159 rated field, let's put. 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:07.479 It that way. 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.200 So I'm not entirely sure what's on her business card. 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.880 I'm not really sure to she had business cards. Well, 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.520 it turns out Joe's she can definitely afford business cards. 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.560 She has revealed how much money she actually makes, and 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.480 I'm always intrigued by how much some of these, well 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:24.480 not just only fans, but maybe porn stars actually made. 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:26.480 So she said, when she first started. 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.600 On, it's not a thing that I dedicate a lot 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:30.880 of my time too thinking about how much porn stares earn. 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:32.040 But anyway, press, well. 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:35.000 Okay, that makes one of us, then, I guess, she said. 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:36.640 When she started Only Fans, she was making about five 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:39.760 thousand dollars per month. Then when she got fired for 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.600 doing only fans, she decided to do it full time, 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.320 that is X rated stuff, and she was making about 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.600 thirty thousand dollars per month. She went on the thing 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:50.400 that put on the map, of course, was the big 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.200 stunt where she betted five hundred and eighty three guys 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:57.720 in one sitting. Okay, and since then she makes three 0:07:57.960 --> 0:07:59.640 hundred thousand dollars. 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:01.480 Per month I'm not surprised, which. 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:04.360 Equates to about three point five million dollars per year. 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.080 And from all accounts, is very wise with her money 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:11.480 and has invested and probably you know, has more money 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:12.440 than most of us put together. 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.760 She owns four properties, including one in Queensland, which she 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:17.960 paid two point seven million dollars for. 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.560 Wow, oh my very goodness. 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:26.640 Okay, now you're judging her twenty seven years old four properties? 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:27.240 Wow? 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:27.440 Are we? 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:28.800 It's not very bad, is it? 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.200 She said? Did I get hospitalized for taking five hundred 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:34.440 and eighty three guys and six hours? Yes? Do I 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:38.440 regret it? No? Would I do it again? Also? Yes? Okay, 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:40.360 So watch this space, so. 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:42.960 Those speakers again, five hundred and eighty three and three hours, 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:44.920 six hours, six hours. 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:46.240 Six hours or three hours? 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:47.000 Grow up? 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:52.400 She's not a freak, Joe's I feel like we're all 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.600 pretty up to date with what Ashley Madison is. It's 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.439 been around for a long time now, two thousand and two. 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:59.720 But basically, it is an online platform where you can 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:03.000 go in and find yourself an affair, just to spae 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:03.480 things up. 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.640 Absolutely, I've been wanting to say this all morning. Let's 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:10.640 cross live to Toronto, Canada. The chief strategy officer of 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:12.520 Ashley Madison, Paul Cabele, joins us. 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.840 Now, good morning, Paul, Good morning everyone. How is Adelie 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:16.480 doing today? 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.960 We're going so well. Thank you. Now, do tell us 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.240 what are people's primary. 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.320 Motivators for jumping onto Ashley Madison and has it changed 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:26.000 over the years. 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.760 Well, I'll tell you. You know, obviously, we've been into 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.400 business for more than twenty years and our primary audiences 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:36.200 married people looking to expand their definition of monogamy, ideally 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.720 people looking for an affair. And we've had independent research 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:42.000 that looks at why do women cheap persons? Why do 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.320 what men cheat? In eighty percent of the women on 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.040 Ashley Madison in this research, we're coming to our site 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:50.600 because they were in a sexless or orgasmless marriage, which 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:54.160 is really a fascinating concept because basically, what these women 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.600 were telling us and the research was that they're very 0:09:56.600 --> 0:10:00.280 happy in their primary relationship, but they're satisfact in the 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.319 bedroom was such that, you know, they were very disappointing 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.640 and we're looking at divorce, but that's not what they 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:07.880 really wanted. They didn't want to leave their partner. They 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.000 loved their family, they loved their life, they loved their suppose, 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.040 but they just weren't getting what they needed, so they 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.559 outsourced their intimate needs to us. But interestingly, people really 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:20.600 struggle with this. Men were seeking emotional validation. That is 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:22.640 the primary reason why men come to ours. 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.200 No, Okay, it just sort of feels like that that 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.320 should be all in reverse. Yeah, like I would have 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:27.960 thought for man. 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.440 Well, that's the expectation, that's the mythology. And that's why 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.880 I do these kind of conversations is to help people 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.360 understand what's really going on. I'm not here to convince 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.720 you to enjoying. I'm here to tell you why people 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:41.000 are joining in a weird way, I'm actually helping people 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.560 avoid joining National Madison by detailing all the secrets of 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.240 our members so you could avoid the pitfalls of why 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:48.400 people end up on our set. 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:53.200 So I didn't realize that mummy daddy time was so 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.640 very important to women that your research is saying that 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:58.880 they would end a marriage over it because they're not 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:00.000 satisfied in that department. 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:03.200 And is that right, one hundred percent. The idea of 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.800 standing there, let's say age forty two, when you get 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.000 too beautiful children, home and the house and the life, 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:14.000 everything you wanted, and your sexual life is so dissatisfactory 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:18.600 it's either non existing completely or you're never getting any 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.560 satisfaction with it. That's a really long road to go, 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.679 because now we're living fully sexual lives into your sixties, seventies, 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:29.160 and percently even in their eighties, and the idea of another 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.719 thirty or forty years of disappointing sex is too much 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:36.760 to bear. And traditional counsel would tell you either compromise, 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.960 live with that that sounds horrible, or divorce. Well, that's costly, 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:41.720 and if I really love my partner in my spouse 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:45.199 and my family, that's not really a great idea. So 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.640 the whole idea of our business was predicated on this 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.840 in essence, and we're offering a third path for a 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:55.840 majority of our members to facilitate and maintain their primary relationship. 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.200 I'm not disputing your research here, but in my experience 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:04.760 as working mums in relationships around that age, most of 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:05.720 us can't be bothered. 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.640 Most of us are too exhausted. 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.839 Why no, that's that's not true. You're too exhaustive for 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.920 bad sex. You're not too exhaustive for good sex. That's 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.960 the difference point if your partner is capable and willing 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.839 and listen, men, please don't. I'm not blaming you. Holy 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.040 This is a communication problem. This is not a male problem. 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.320 This is an issue of partners not being able to 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:30.360 be completely transparent about what's missing and how to fulfill 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.079 those missing needs. And I think that is the driving 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.319 force that you know ends up with a lot of 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.600 people joining that she Madison. Listen, We've had more than 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:40.200 ninety million people joining the site since we launched. There's 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:40.800 a reason for this. 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:44.280 Yeah, Paul, I'm exactly reading what you're saying. You're saying 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:47.400 that Jodie's husband and Greg Arty's very bad sex. I 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.319 get you, we can hear you. 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:53.680 If you're going to cast that stone, you want to 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:55.760 look in your own back research. 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:59.760 Please, I am not going to pass any aspersions on 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:01.280 his parriers whatsoever. 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:06.199 Paul Keyble, the CSO of Actley Madison. Mate, we appreciate 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:07.800 your time this morning because I feel like this is 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.000 interesting if you want to go down this path, but 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:11.959 also for people who wouldn't go down this path to 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.360 get a bit of an understanding as to you know 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:16.120 why people are exploring this, haven't you? 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:18.760 Absolutely? Paul, thank you so very much for your time 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:20.120 this morning. We really appreciate it. 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:20.920 My pleasure. 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.240 Time now to catch up with AFL Royalty. That he 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.680 is Brad Johnson. Three hundred and sixty four games, three 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.920 time Best and Fairest win and a six time All 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:32.000 Australian and probably the best bit. Did it all with 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:33.640 a smile on his face? Is that fair to say? 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.400 Johnny good? 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.480 Yeah, we're good, good and all with beautiful red rosy 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.680 cheeks too. You've got that lovely little pinch look on 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:42.679 your cheeks, don't you. 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.040 I do it actually working my favorite because all coaches 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:50.360 thought I was working really hard as much what Ultimately, 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.440 it's just one of those things that's the part of me. 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:57.760 John You're you're part of the footy media landscape and 0:13:57.800 --> 0:13:59.800 have been for a long time. You do a sensational job. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:03.000 Right now, it's Jesus, it's really gone in a different direction. 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:07.520 So the latest installment is Nazaia Wanganeen. Miller didn't want 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.199 to go to the Crows. Apparently now he's refuted that claim. 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.959 Does open to the Crows, not against tex Walker, this 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.280 whole kerfuffle. How are you seeing it in your eyes? 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:18.520 And are you comfortable with everything that's happening in the 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:19.760 media landscape at the minute. 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:22.160 Yes, I don't get caught up in it too much 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.280 to be perfully go honest, and I stay in Malane, 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.280 which is you know, obviously the football side of things 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:31.120 and assessing the game on match day more importantly, so 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:33.200 I don't get caught up in the other side of 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.080 it too much. But one thing that has, you know, 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.280 obviously in terms of having to change and change my mindset, 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.320 has been player movement and the way that players are 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.440 talking to other clubs in the season and you know, 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.840 they're visiting facilities and they're they're obviously having you know, 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.920 really open discussions around where they would like to be 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.560 weighing their football in the in the future, and this 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:54.640 is all this is all part of it, and it's 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.280 just the nature of the beast is that you know, 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.680 you've got so many people involved in it. You've got 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.480 club got players, got managers and all those things, and 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:06.160 eventually things just start to filter out into the into 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.960 the media landscape. So you know, as always, you know 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.040 majority of these things are are refuted, and in this 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.040 scenario that you that you're talking about, I'm actually glad 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.360 that both players have had a really open chat about 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.000 this and just put on the table and ended that 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.080 that part of the conversation. And now Nazai can can 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:25.680 work out where his footy future lays, whether it is 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.040 at Saint Kilda or whether it will be back in 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.560 South Australia at one of the one of the Adelaide teams. 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:32.800 Can I just ask, let's say my event, it was 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.400 probably Footscray when you started, maybe three years in your 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.720 career before it turned in the Western Bulldogs. Let's say 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:41.120 after three years word got back to Footscray that a 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.040 young Brad Johnson was looking around and shopping himself around. 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.120 How would that have gone with your teammates? 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:48.120 Well, if I was playing today, I definitely would have 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:52.520 done it, specially for the for the coin that just 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.360 get These days, we played in a real sweet spot. 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.560 I always say that in terms of putting through the 0:15:57.600 --> 0:15:59.960 through the nineties and early two thousands, it was a 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:01.920 it was a great part of the game to be 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.000 associated with it at that particular time. But Lorty was 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.200 a huge thing like back then, it would have brought 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:09.360 the town down if a star player had said that 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.160 he was going to sort of, you know, move a club. 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.160 And when a player did get traded at the end 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.280 of the year, it was a big story because it 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:18.360 was something that didn't happen that often. You're either belisted 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.040 and gone, you were never really traded. Yeah, and that's 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.000 why I had to change my mindset and thinking around us, 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:24.040 Brad very quickly. 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:26.880 Maybe a one word answer from you. The Adelaide Crows 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.240 flying at the moment literally, are they the real deal? 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.200 Yes, that's good, Yes they are. 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:37.360 And very aware that he's broadcasting into South Australia this morning. 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:40.480 John, thank you so much for your time, mate. We 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:41.960 appreciate you awesome. 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:43.640 Thanks letting me on GOO all right, Brad. 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:45.480 Johnson from KO They're just quick remind as well thirty 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.320 two clubs from across the globe one win to catch 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.480 every fee for Club World Cup match live on KO 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.160 Sports from June fifteenth. 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What. 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:15.640 It's not confirmed whether Trump and Musk are back on, 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.480 but must did tweet about twelve hours ago saying I 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.240 regret some of my posts about President Trump last week. 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:25.399 They went too far, and in particular I making islight. 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.000 It all down to one tweet which licked him to 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:29.680 the Epstein files and all sorts. 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:30.600 Of things, so. 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.960 Suggesting that Trump was in the files of a convicted sex. 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.240 Trafficker, saying that's why they haven't come out yet, because 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:38.760 he's in them. 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:40.520 Yeah, that went too far. 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.840 That was going just a little bit too far, Like 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.440 linking the president of the United States is one of 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.960 the most heinous crimes that's ever been committed. Yeah, sorry, guys, 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:50.160 went too far with that one. 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:51.160 Yeah. 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:52.760 If you and I had a fight and I did that, 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:56.639