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Speaker 1: We were talking yesterday about the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. This

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Speaker 1: is the body that reviews visa applications and particularly people

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Speaker 1: who have had a renewal of their visa refused or

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Speaker 1: have it canceled and they're ordered out of the country

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Speaker 1: because of crimes they may have committed. For example, the

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Speaker 1: Tribunal is acting on a direction from the Minister of

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Speaker 1: Immigration to give favor to people who have put down

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Speaker 1: roots in Australia in their time here. So they may

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Speaker 1: have come god a visa, perhaps met, fallen in love, whatever,

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Speaker 1: had kids, or have relatives here or whatever that ties

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Speaker 1: them to the country in some form or another. But

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Speaker 1: in the meantime they've also committed crimes and in some

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Speaker 1: case heenus crimes. Questions for instance, been raised about why

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Speaker 1: serial rapists to attack more than a dozen women and

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Speaker 1: a child has been allowed to keep his visa. But

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Speaker 1: this new rule Direction ninety nine is court requiring leniency

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Speaker 1: for some overseas born criminals was brought in last year

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Speaker 1: and that means a tribunal considers a person's ties to

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Speaker 1: Australia when deciding if they should be deported. Now the

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Speaker 1: Minister is now acting on this and reviewing these cases

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Speaker 1: seeking urgent advice about recanceling visus and he's done that

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Speaker 1: for the visa of a Sudanese man charged with murder

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Speaker 1: in Brisbane. Senator James Patterson is Federal Shadow Home Affairs

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Speaker 1: Minister and joins me now Shadow Minister, good morning, thank

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Speaker 1: you for your time. This situation just goes from bad

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Speaker 1: to ridiculous, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: Every day it gets worse and you think it can't

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Speaker 2: get any worse after that, and it does. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the latest case we heard about today is a man

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Speaker 2: from Scotland, a non citizen in Australia who has committed

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Speaker 2: sexual offenses against twenty six women and girls. And the

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Speaker 2: AAT has allowed him to say in Australia, and they

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Speaker 2: cited Andrew Giles' Direction ninety nine and the requirement they

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Speaker 2: considered this person's ties to Australia as the decisive factor

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Speaker 2: which led them to make this decision. I mean, Andrew

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Speaker 2: Giles and the Low Party must take full responsibilities.

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Speaker 1: For this, just as I said, just ridiculous. Now the

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Speaker 1: direction to allow people to for the Tribune or to

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Speaker 1: give leniency to people who have ties in Australia, what

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Speaker 1: difference should that make when obviously their crimes you would

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Speaker 1: think would certainly weigh in favor of the visa being canceled.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is all about appeasing to Cinderadurn. When she

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Speaker 2: was Prime Minister of New Zealand, she was not happy

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Speaker 2: that the previous government was deporting violent criminals from New

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Speaker 2: Zealand back to their home country after they committed their crimes,

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Speaker 2: and she asked the previous government to change the policy

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Speaker 2: to stop doing so. We refuse to do so, but

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Speaker 2: Antony Albanezi, as a weak Prime Minister, rolled over very

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Speaker 2: quickly to her requests. And the problem with that is

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Speaker 2: is not only that New Zealand violent criminals are not

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Speaker 2: bean to ordered back to behind country, but citizens of

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Speaker 2: every other country committing serious crimes in our country are

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Speaker 2: also not being deported. And that's a direct result of

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Speaker 2: anti Albernesi rolling over instead of standing up for Australia.

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Speaker 1: Now I understand the Minister was advised by the Department

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Speaker 1: the changes were meant to target people without serious offending

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Speaker 1: or family violence. Well, that clearly isn't the case, no, and.

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Speaker 2: The Department also advised him that there would be at

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Speaker 2: least a twenty five percent reduction in the number of

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Speaker 2: people who had their visas canceled and lin and behold,

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Speaker 2: that's exactly what's happening. Many fewer people are having their

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Speaker 2: visas cancelor even after committing heinous crimes, including shocking family

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Speaker 2: violence crimes. We learned a couple of days ago about

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Speaker 2: the man who raped his stepdaughter while his partner was

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Speaker 2: in hospital giving birth to his child. I mean, how

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Speaker 2: depraved do you have to get to be deported from

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Speaker 2: this country. I would have thought that would have been

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Speaker 2: a straightforward case.

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Speaker 1: So the Opposition, I'm sure you would give a consideration.

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Speaker 1: You would certainly move to with the gun in a

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Speaker 1: bipartisan manner. Would you not to amend this to have

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Speaker 1: this changed?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. We've been calling for days now for Direction ninety

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Speaker 2: nine to be repealed and to restore the previous direction

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Speaker 2: under the former coalition government, which put much greater weight

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Speaker 2: on community safety and allowed these people to be deported.

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Speaker 2: But so far the government has dragged their feet and

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Speaker 2: refused to do so. I don't know why they're doing so.

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Speaker 2: Is it because the Prime Minister gave a commitment to

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Speaker 2: dicineradun Is it because he can't stand up to Andrew Giles,

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Speaker 2: who is a very important factional player in the Labor Party.

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Speaker 2: It's really not clear why, but he's failing to act

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Speaker 2: in Australians are being harmed as a result.

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Speaker 1: All right, James Patterson, appreciate your time this morning, Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you. The Shadow Home Affairs Minister on the arguments

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Speaker 1: raging in Canberra at the moment, with government officials facing

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Speaker 1: questions yesterday in Cambra over this exact thing, so it

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Speaker 1: has some time to play out, but common sense should

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Speaker 1: surely apply here. The people who commit these terrible crimes,

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Speaker 1: and there's a whole range just physical sexual crimes, but

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Speaker 1: involving fraud, money laundering. There's a heap of different areas

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Speaker 1: where people have committed some terrible crimes and just allowed

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Speaker 1: to stay, people on visas where you'd think the government

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Speaker 1: could very well say and have the right to say,

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Speaker 1: you're not a welcome person in this country because your

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Speaker 1: crimes are terrible, and some are absolutely terrible, as the

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Speaker 1: ones James Patterson are outlined, they're just not good enough

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Speaker 1: really and the government needs to get tough on that

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Speaker 1: and crack down on these people and send them out

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Speaker 1: of the country.