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Speaker 1: Or Heinley Street has a certain reputation depending what era

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Speaker 1: a number of different eateries down there, great places like

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Speaker 1: Paganas and Flash Gillataria the original one on the southern

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Speaker 1: side of the street, and the little mousehole that it was.

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Speaker 1: But what a good little cafe back in the sixties

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Speaker 1: and seventies. It certainly used to be long gone now

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Speaker 1: a bit of a nightclub in that spot at the moment,

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Speaker 1: but anyway there it has, of course been an entertainment

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Speaker 1: strip forever. Could it be a red light district in

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Speaker 1: the future. The Adelaide City Council looking at planning law

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Speaker 1: changes that may confine strip clubs and sex shops to

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Speaker 1: Hinley Street. What's that going to do for the street

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Speaker 1: and the image of the city. Phil Martin's and Adelaide

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Speaker 1: City councilor Phil good morning.

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Speaker 2: Yes, good morning, Matthew. How are you all right?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? Is this the right look for Hindley straight?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, this is a really complex matter and I'll

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Speaker 2: do my best. I'm not a planner, but I'll do

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Speaker 2: my best to try to explain where I think we are.

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Speaker 2: If you remember, about four or five years ago, the

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Speaker 2: state government decided to change the planning laws in South

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Speaker 2: Australia by introducing a new code to simplify everything. Whether

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Speaker 2: that's happened or not, I don't know. As someone was

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Speaker 2: saying to me this morning, the simplified code is now

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Speaker 2: something like thirtye pages long. Now I don't know whether

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Speaker 2: that's so. But one of the things that that Planning

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Speaker 2: Code the state government introduced did it was allocate different

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Speaker 2: planning laws to different areas. So it created, say in

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Speaker 2: the city of Adelaide, what are called city Living Zones,

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Speaker 2: which are mainly residential Capital City Zone which is North

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Speaker 2: Ferist and South Race, and it put in their sub

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Speaker 2: zones as well. And in twenty twenty one, one of

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Speaker 2: the sub zones that the state government created with its

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Speaker 2: Planning code was the hind Lee Street sub Zone, which

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Speaker 2: recognizes that there are adult entertainment premises in that area.

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Speaker 2: It recognized also that there were adult entertainment places in

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Speaker 2: other zones, and just so we know what we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: The definition under the Development Plan is the use of

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Speaker 2: land for the exhibition, display or performance of any entertainment

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Speaker 2: or act which is sexually explicit, such as new dancing

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Speaker 2: by law. Now that's an adult entertainment premise. Now, what

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Speaker 2: that code the state government introduced didn't do was say

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Speaker 2: whether adult entertainment premises would be allowed in areas outside

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Speaker 2: of the Hindley Street sub zone, that is in say

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Speaker 1: Well, there's already one or two there isn't there?

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Speaker 2: There are there are anything her Yes, I imagine you

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Speaker 2: have heard King William Street, I think is one that

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Speaker 2: Anything that was already there is allowed to continue, but

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Speaker 2: anything new. The planning laws are pretty much silent on. So,

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Speaker 2: go through that process. Now, as a consequence of talk

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Speaker 2: Minister invited us to help to I just clean up

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Speaker 2: we are thinking about what we might do in circumstances

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Speaker 2: How about if we made sure that there was no

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Speaker 1: So you want to hide it, essentially, is what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, what we wanted to do, what we were

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Speaker 2: an appetite for those venues outside of Hindley Street in

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Speaker 2: circumstances where there was nothing offensive in terms of the

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Speaker 2: But more particularly, we wanted to make sure that they

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Speaker 2: But unfortunately, and I've got to tell you, and look,

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Speaker 2: I think this is my personal view. I think the

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Speaker 2: and I thought it was challenging I mean, for example,

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Speaker 2: it proposes that such premises be non complying in the

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Speaker 2: planning language. That doesn't mean you can't have it. In fact,

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Speaker 2: it's the opposite. It means you can have it, but

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Speaker 2: with conditions, and that I think is confused people. Certainly,

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Speaker 2: we had a lot of groups, including groups representing sex workers, saying, well,

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Speaker 2: hang on a minute, we think you should be able

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Speaker 2: And of course what the consultation was about was testing

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Speaker 2: whether or not people wanted them there, not whether they

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Speaker 1: None of this is any clearer ultimately, so where is

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Speaker 1: it at at the moment, So it's just still out

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Speaker 1: the consultation.

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Speaker 2: No, No, The consultation concluded in July. And why the

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Speaker 2: the moment is that the consultation result came back to

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Speaker 2: the Council Committee on Tuesday night, and the Council committee members,

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Speaker 2: including me, Matthew, including me, we're saying, way on a minute,

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Speaker 2: I didn't understand this. And moreover, we all observed that

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Speaker 2: the response from the community was quite confused because they

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Speaker 2: not understood that it wasn't about a red light district.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Hindley Street is already there, was recognized as

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Speaker 2: so we said to the Council Administration, look, hang on

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Speaker 2: a minute, this is much more complex than either we

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Speaker 2: at this. And so what they've done is they've withdrawn

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Speaker 2: it and they've gone away and I'll come back to

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Speaker 2: the present time it would be fair to say that

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Speaker 2: there's a great deal of confusion in the community about

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Speaker 2: what we're doing and why we're doing it.

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Speaker 1: I hear that from what that description you've given. All right,

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Speaker 1: so November is when you make a next decision I

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I would hope that in November, when the

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Speaker 2: Council Administration comes back to the elective body, it will

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Speaker 2: have a set of recommendations about how we deal with it.

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Speaker 2: But clearly from my perspective, my personal perspective, if we've

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Speaker 2: gone out the consultation and I remind everyone you can

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Speaker 2: see the consultation still on the plan dot SA, dot gov,

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Speaker 2: dot AU website. If we've gone out consultation and people

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Speaker 2: have misunderstood what the consultation is about, then clearly there's

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Speaker 2: a problem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely, all right, Phil, thank you for your time,

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Speaker 1: Good luck with working all that out, because I think

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Speaker 1: you need a bit of luck with that kind of

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Speaker 1: no clearer really, but anyway, whatever happens will happen down

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Speaker 1: Hinley Street. It's always been a bit of a red

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Speaker 1: light district in any case, as you've said, so I

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Speaker 1: don't really see what the difference is ultimately,