1 00:00:03,430 --> 00:00:06,439 Sean Aylmer: Welcome to the Fear and Greed Daily Interview. I'm Sean Aylmer. 2 00:00:06,780 --> 00:00:09,970 Sean Aylmer: Plenty happening in the world of federal politics. On the 3 00:00:09,970 --> 00:00:13,610 Sean Aylmer: global stage, the fallout continues after the government cancelled a 4 00:00:13,610 --> 00:00:17,500 Sean Aylmer: contract with France for conventional submarines in favour of a 5 00:00:17,500 --> 00:00:20,720 Sean Aylmer: deal for nuclear subs with the US and UK. The 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,110 Sean Aylmer: prime minister is now in the United States for talks 7 00:00:23,110 --> 00:00:26,430 Sean Aylmer: with President Joe Biden and the leaders of India and Japan, 8 00:00:26,430 --> 00:00:29,470 Sean Aylmer: the newly formed Quad, with China high on the agenda. 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,240 Sean Aylmer: Back home, the ongoing controversy involving former Attorney General Christian 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,040 Sean Aylmer: Porter came to a head when he resigned from the front 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,010 Sean Aylmer: bench over the weekend. That all happened after he received 12 00:00:39,010 --> 00:00:41,670 Sean Aylmer: $1 million in a blind trust to pay legal fees 13 00:00:41,670 --> 00:00:45,200 Sean Aylmer: in a defamation case against the ABC. All of this with an 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,500 Sean Aylmer: election only months away. Laura Tingle is the chief political 15 00:00:48,500 --> 00:00:51,790 Sean Aylmer: correspondent for ABC 7. 30. Laura, welcome back. 16 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:52,479 Laura Tingle: Hi, Sean. 17 00:00:53,020 --> 00:00:55,330 Sean Aylmer: Very big couple of weeks for Scott Morrison, particularly on 18 00:00:55,330 --> 00:00:58,120 Sean Aylmer: the global stage. What's your take on the submarine debate? 19 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,410 Laura Tingle: Look, this has been a strategic decision, which is basically 20 00:01:02,410 --> 00:01:04,270 Laura Tingle: saying we are not going to be able to improve 21 00:01:04,270 --> 00:01:06,919 Laura Tingle: things with China. We've got to sort of step up 22 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,610 Laura Tingle: and sort of show that we're not scared. It's supposed 23 00:01:10,610 --> 00:01:14,150 Laura Tingle: to be about giving us our own much more aggressive 24 00:01:14,220 --> 00:01:18,550 Laura Tingle: capacity to front China. But in fact, it does the opposite. 25 00:01:18,550 --> 00:01:22,250 Laura Tingle: It basically deprives us of any sovereign capability in the 26 00:01:22,250 --> 00:01:26,970 Laura Tingle: submarine fleet for an extra 10 years. I think sort 27 00:01:26,970 --> 00:01:30,009 Laura Tingle: of overlooked in all of this was the announcement made by 28 00:01:30,010 --> 00:01:33,180 Laura Tingle: Peter Dutton a few hours after the submarine announcement that 29 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,940 Laura Tingle: he was expecting in the future for there to be 30 00:01:35,940 --> 00:01:39,860 Laura Tingle: more US troops, for US planes to be stationed here, 31 00:01:39,900 --> 00:01:42,709 Laura Tingle: US submarines to be stationed here, and US missiles be 32 00:01:42,709 --> 00:01:47,760 Laura Tingle: stationed here. It's a full embrace of American foreign policy 33 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,410 Laura Tingle: and defence policy, if you like, and it's really to 34 00:01:51,470 --> 00:01:54,240 Laura Tingle: use the colloquial phrase really pissed off the French. 35 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,240 Sean Aylmer: It certainly has. I mean, is the cost to our 36 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,210 Sean Aylmer: relations with China and France worth it? 37 00:02:01,750 --> 00:02:05,130 Laura Tingle: Well, as I said, I think the pragmatic call, which 38 00:02:05,130 --> 00:02:09,040 Laura Tingle: is probably correct, is that it was probably fairly unsalvageable 39 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,859 Laura Tingle: the China relationship under the current regime. They probably think, 40 00:02:13,860 --> 00:02:16,330 Laura Tingle: well, there's not much to lose there, though people who do 41 00:02:16,330 --> 00:02:19,990 Laura Tingle: business in China may see that differently. I think there's 42 00:02:19,990 --> 00:02:22,770 Laura Tingle: a lot of talk about how this was always going 43 00:02:22,770 --> 00:02:26,540 Laura Tingle: to be a tough thing to do. Of course, the French 44 00:02:26,540 --> 00:02:29,730 Laura Tingle: are upset, but there's not really a nice way to 45 00:02:29,730 --> 00:02:32,120 Laura Tingle: leave your lover, sort of thing. But I'm sorry, I 46 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,300 Laura Tingle: don't agree with that. When you talk to people who've 47 00:02:34,300 --> 00:02:37,950 Laura Tingle: been involved in this, the extent to which not just 48 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,800 Laura Tingle: the French government, but Naval Group and a whole range 49 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,090 Laura Tingle: of smaller companies in Australia and France are adversely affected 50 00:02:46,090 --> 00:02:51,049 Laura Tingle: by this, which were receiving assurances that everything was peachy 51 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,500 Laura Tingle: right up until a week before the announcement or even 52 00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:58,019 Laura Tingle: days in some cases. There are small companies in South 53 00:02:58,020 --> 00:03:01,669 Laura Tingle: Australia and elsewhere around Australia that have made big investments 54 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,740 Laura Tingle: of plant and equipment in the expectation of this submarine 55 00:03:05,740 --> 00:03:09,480 Laura Tingle: arrangement coming to fruition. It's not just a question of 56 00:03:10,060 --> 00:03:12,860 Laura Tingle: a few French diplomats and politicians being upset about this, 57 00:03:12,930 --> 00:03:17,269 Laura Tingle: there's real world consequences in all of this. I think 58 00:03:17,270 --> 00:03:19,639 Laura Tingle: you would have tried to put a little bit more effort 59 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,620 Laura Tingle: into signaling it. And instead, the French I think feel 60 00:03:23,620 --> 00:03:27,530 Laura Tingle: that Naval Group has been maligned as an unreliable contractor 61 00:03:27,530 --> 00:03:30,760 Laura Tingle: when that's not the evidence, and that they've just been 62 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,520 Laura Tingle: betrayed when they felt that they had moved beyond the 63 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,950 Laura Tingle: old European connections to make a real and lasting connection 64 00:03:38,210 --> 00:03:41,340 Laura Tingle: with Australian and the Indo-Pacific, which is a place which 65 00:03:41,620 --> 00:03:44,350 Laura Tingle: Emmanuel Macron takes very, very seriously. 66 00:03:45,220 --> 00:03:47,120 Sean Aylmer: And just before we leave this topic, do you think there will 67 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,710 Sean Aylmer: be broader ramifications for trade deals in Europe? 68 00:03:50,150 --> 00:03:52,550 Laura Tingle: Oh, look, I think there will be. I mean, I'm not 69 00:03:52,550 --> 00:03:55,830 Laura Tingle: saying it will scuttle the FTA (Free Trade Agreement), but it will certainly. 70 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,710 Laura Tingle: I don't think anybody's going to be in a great 71 00:03:57,710 --> 00:04:00,210 Laura Tingle: rush to move it ahead, and I think there are 72 00:04:00,210 --> 00:04:03,100 Laura Tingle: also other questions as well, Sean. For example, one of 73 00:04:03,100 --> 00:04:05,710 Laura Tingle: the outcomes of this deal is that we will be 74 00:04:05,710 --> 00:04:09,810 Laura Tingle: relying on our Collins-class submarines for a lot longer, and 75 00:04:09,810 --> 00:04:12,690 Laura Tingle: we need a few new gadgets to do that speedos 76 00:04:12,770 --> 00:04:19,460 Laura Tingle: or something, some technical thing. And guess where they're supposed to come from? I don't think the French should be that peevish, but it 77 00:04:19,460 --> 00:04:20,310 Laura Tingle: does have lots of ramifications. 78 00:04:21,770 --> 00:04:25,289 Sean Aylmer: Onto China, whilst all this was going on. China gave 79 00:04:25,290 --> 00:04:27,150 Sean Aylmer: Wellington a ring in New Zealand and asked to join 80 00:04:27,150 --> 00:04:30,310 Sean Aylmer: a regional trade deal with Australia, New Zealand, and other 81 00:04:30,310 --> 00:04:32,620 Sean Aylmer: countries in the region. What do you make of that? 82 00:04:33,010 --> 00:04:35,229 Laura Tingle: Well, this is sort of interesting. I don't claim to 83 00:04:35,230 --> 00:04:37,710 Laura Tingle: be across all the ins and outs of it, but 84 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,450 Laura Tingle: New Zealand has been criticised by a lot of other countries 85 00:04:41,450 --> 00:04:44,700 Laura Tingle: for being too forward leaning if you like towards China. 86 00:04:46,700 --> 00:04:49,750 Laura Tingle: They've tended to just withdraw from that a little bit in the last 87 00:04:49,779 --> 00:04:52,310 Laura Tingle: couple of years. Some of the other Five Eyes partners 88 00:04:52,310 --> 00:04:57,300 Laura Tingle: like Australia have warned New Zealand that there are security 89 00:04:57,300 --> 00:05:00,110 Laura Tingle: risks involved here and that they should just probably take 90 00:05:00,490 --> 00:05:03,390 Laura Tingle: a step backwards. But without a doubt, New Zealand was 91 00:05:03,529 --> 00:05:05,970 Laura Tingle: one of the first countries to sign an FTA with China, 92 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,380 Laura Tingle: and it's obviously now seen as a bit of a target 93 00:05:09,380 --> 00:05:11,770 Laura Tingle: for China, making sure it can get into the Pacific 94 00:05:11,770 --> 00:05:14,130 Laura Tingle: in a really economically engaged way. 95 00:05:15,260 --> 00:05:17,739 Sean Aylmer: How important are these talks with the US, the Quad leaders? 96 00:05:17,740 --> 00:05:20,409 Sean Aylmer: That seems to be quite a forceful grouping at the 97 00:05:20,410 --> 00:05:21,440 Sean Aylmer: moment in the region. 98 00:05:21,910 --> 00:05:24,760 Laura Tingle: Look, it is a forceful grouping. Once again, it's sort 99 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,110 Laura Tingle: of an unusual one. I think you've got to look at 100 00:05:27,110 --> 00:05:31,490 Laura Tingle: the awkwardly named AUKUS alliance in the context of the Quad, 101 00:05:31,490 --> 00:05:33,990 Laura Tingle: the fact that we do have this other relationship that's 102 00:05:33,990 --> 00:05:37,719 Laura Tingle: formed with Japan and India, as well as the US. 103 00:05:38,029 --> 00:05:41,140 Laura Tingle: I mean, I think having these meetings obviously is, once again, 104 00:05:41,220 --> 00:05:43,240 Laura Tingle: it's a bit of a show of force. It's about 105 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,380 Laura Tingle: sending messages out. What the Quad actually represents in reality 106 00:05:47,380 --> 00:05:50,779 Laura Tingle: is not all that clear. It's let's all have our 107 00:05:50,779 --> 00:05:54,570 Laura Tingle: play lunch together, but there's not anything really substantive in 108 00:05:54,570 --> 00:05:59,290 Laura Tingle: the arrangement as yet, but it's an important symbolic sign. It'll 109 00:06:00,029 --> 00:06:02,290 Laura Tingle: be interesting to see whether it develops into something more substantive. 110 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,450 Sean Aylmer: Stay with me, Laura. We'll be back in a minute. 111 00:06:10,500 --> 00:06:13,539 Sean Aylmer: My guest this morning is Laura Tingle, chief political correspondent 112 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:18,210 Sean Aylmer: for ABC 7.30. Bringing it back home, Christian Porter, he resigned 113 00:06:18,210 --> 00:06:21,370 Sean Aylmer: on the weekend over the blind trust issue. I mean, 114 00:06:21,370 --> 00:06:23,320 Sean Aylmer: it's not going to go away for the government. How 115 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,040 Sean Aylmer: much of a drag is it do you think in 116 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,020 Sean Aylmer: the run up to the next election, which has to 117 00:06:27,020 --> 00:06:28,330 Sean Aylmer: be before May next year? 118 00:06:28,779 --> 00:06:31,450 Laura Tingle: It certainly doesn't help. I'm a bit surprised that Christian 119 00:06:31,450 --> 00:06:34,310 Laura Tingle: Porter is saying he's going to recontest, which of course, 120 00:06:34,310 --> 00:06:38,130 Laura Tingle: he's entitled to do his seat of Pearce. The parliament 121 00:06:38,170 --> 00:06:41,620 Laura Tingle: is due to come back in October, presuming it does, 122 00:06:41,670 --> 00:06:45,279 Laura Tingle: and that Scott Morrison doesn't decide to have a pre-Christmas election, 123 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,109 Laura Tingle: it will be just an ongoing issue, which does go 124 00:06:48,110 --> 00:06:53,140 Laura Tingle: to the transparency of the government because while the Prime 125 00:06:53,140 --> 00:06:57,310 Laura Tingle: Minister and Christian Porter are essentially saying, well, he wasn't meeting 126 00:06:57,310 --> 00:07:00,719 Laura Tingle: ministerial declaration standards or was unable to satisfy the Prime 127 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,539 Laura Tingle: Minister because he couldn't tell him where the money was 128 00:07:02,540 --> 00:07:05,710 Laura Tingle: coming from, that he was meeting the ministerial standards, there 129 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,160 Laura Tingle: is a remaining issue about his declaration of interests as 130 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,950 Laura Tingle: an MP. Now, there are two ways of looking at this. 131 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,650 Laura Tingle: One of them is that he has not fulfilled the declaration 132 00:07:15,650 --> 00:07:19,500 Laura Tingle: of interests in spirit or in practice, which is about 133 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,730 Laura Tingle: telling people where your money is coming from or where it's invested 134 00:07:23,730 --> 00:07:26,610 Laura Tingle: in and what the source of it has been. There's 135 00:07:26,660 --> 00:07:28,900 Laura Tingle: this alternative view that's come up in the last few 136 00:07:28,900 --> 00:07:32,370 Laura Tingle: days that, in fact, the black letter of the declaration 137 00:07:32,470 --> 00:07:35,360 Laura Tingle: of interests doesn't require you to say where the money's coming from. 138 00:07:35,850 --> 00:07:37,730 Laura Tingle: But I don't think, as they say, that would pass 139 00:07:37,730 --> 00:07:41,620 Laura Tingle: the pub test, because essentially that would mean saying that it's 140 00:07:41,620 --> 00:07:44,270 Laura Tingle: fine for an MP to get up to a million 141 00:07:44,270 --> 00:07:48,820 Laura Tingle: dollars from people that you're not going to disclose. It's 142 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:53,310 Laura Tingle: a terrible look, and I think it's indefensible, whatever the technicalities 143 00:07:53,310 --> 00:07:53,501 Laura Tingle: might be. 144 00:07:53,501 --> 00:07:53,741 Sean Aylmer: Do you have a view of when the election will be? 145 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,070 Laura Tingle: Look, I'm still plumping for the first quarter of the year, 146 00:08:00,140 --> 00:08:03,320 Laura Tingle: a March election. Every so often, there's a bit of 147 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,160 Laura Tingle: a frisson around the place about the possibility that Scott 148 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,820 Laura Tingle: Morrison will punt everything and go early. Just call it 149 00:08:10,890 --> 00:08:15,300 Laura Tingle: say mid- October for December, just as the case numbers 150 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:18,840 Laura Tingle: are starting to decline. The main argument for that seems 151 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,100 Laura Tingle: to be, well, you that because it's only going to get 152 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:23,780 Laura Tingle: worse later on, but it still seems like a very 153 00:08:23,780 --> 00:08:24,950 Laura Tingle: high risk strategy to me. 154 00:08:24,950 --> 00:08:29,260 Sean Aylmer: Just a couple of other issues quickly, the vaccine rollout, it certainly 155 00:08:29,260 --> 00:08:32,370 Sean Aylmer: seems to be better for the government than it has been. 156 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,910 Laura Tingle: It certainly has finally ramped up and people are getting vaccinated. 157 00:08:37,530 --> 00:08:41,530 Laura Tingle: The issues of this are whether people will forget the 158 00:08:41,530 --> 00:08:44,209 Laura Tingle: fact that their businesses have been closed for months and 159 00:08:44,210 --> 00:08:47,679 Laura Tingle: months and that they're blaming Scott Morrison for that because 160 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,840 Laura Tingle: the vaccine rollout was slow. That was certainly the view 161 00:08:50,900 --> 00:08:52,859 Laura Tingle: in focus groups and things a month or two ago 162 00:08:52,860 --> 00:08:56,170 Laura Tingle: that it was clearly seen that the economic shutdown was 163 00:08:56,590 --> 00:09:00,580 Laura Tingle: due to his mistakes. That's working much better for the 164 00:09:00,580 --> 00:09:03,390 Laura Tingle: government than it was, without a doubt. But we've also 165 00:09:03,390 --> 00:09:07,490 Laura Tingle: got this anti-vaxxer fringe and there's still a question about 166 00:09:07,490 --> 00:09:10,870 Laura Tingle: the extent to which that actually starts to result in 167 00:09:10,970 --> 00:09:14,370 Laura Tingle: a tapering off of vaccination rates as we've seen in 168 00:09:14,370 --> 00:09:16,630 Laura Tingle: other countries at a certain point, though you'd have to 169 00:09:16,630 --> 00:09:20,190 Laura Tingle: say the numbers so far are encouraging for us getting 170 00:09:20,500 --> 00:09:23,209 Laura Tingle: to 80% in most parts of the country. 171 00:09:24,500 --> 00:09:28,440 Sean Aylmer: Climate change. With the United Nations COP (Conference of the Parties) Conference in November 172 00:09:28,590 --> 00:09:31,059 Sean Aylmer: in Glasgow, do you think climate change will play a 173 00:09:31,059 --> 00:09:33,120 Sean Aylmer: role in the next election? 174 00:09:33,500 --> 00:09:36,380 Laura Tingle: Well, I think it will. You can see by things 175 00:09:36,380 --> 00:09:40,290 Laura Tingle: like Dave Sharma, the member for Wentworth, coming out and 176 00:09:40,290 --> 00:09:44,360 Laura Tingle: starting to do a bit of product differentiation on emissions reduction, 177 00:09:44,410 --> 00:09:46,449 Laura Tingle: the sign that there are people who are nervous. There 178 00:09:46,450 --> 00:09:49,790 Laura Tingle: is a lot of talk of less conservative MPs pressuring 179 00:09:49,790 --> 00:09:53,120 Laura Tingle: the Prime Minister on this. I don't have great hopes 180 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,760 Laura Tingle: that he's going to have some Damascan conversion on the issue, 181 00:09:57,130 --> 00:10:00,689 Laura Tingle: but I think it will still play a role. Probably 182 00:10:00,690 --> 00:10:02,650 Laura Tingle: not as big a role, Sean, as it might have 183 00:10:02,650 --> 00:10:05,760 Laura Tingle: a few months ago before we had the outbreaks of 184 00:10:05,809 --> 00:10:08,340 Laura Tingle: COVID in New South Wales and Victoria. I think those 185 00:10:08,410 --> 00:10:11,250 Laura Tingle: outbreaks and the scars they have left on a lot 186 00:10:11,250 --> 00:10:15,010 Laura Tingle: of people and their businesses do change the equation of where the seats will 187 00:10:15,010 --> 00:10:15,850 Laura Tingle: be won and lost. 188 00:10:16,220 --> 00:10:19,050 Sean Aylmer: And then just quickly, the Aged Care Royal Commission, I 189 00:10:19,050 --> 00:10:22,070 Sean Aylmer: know I've spoken to you about this before, it seems to have been 190 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,880 Sean Aylmer: lost somewhat as a result of COVID primarily, but there 191 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,929 Sean Aylmer: was a lot in that which actually didn't make anyone 192 00:10:27,929 --> 00:10:31,130 Sean Aylmer: look real good, including Greg Hunt, the Health Minister. Do 193 00:10:31,130 --> 00:10:32,439 Sean Aylmer: you think that will play any role? 194 00:10:33,330 --> 00:10:35,620 Laura Tingle: Well, for people with, as they say, the lived experience 195 00:10:35,620 --> 00:10:38,240 Laura Tingle: of aged care, I think it will. But as you say, 196 00:10:38,580 --> 00:10:40,990 Laura Tingle: with so much noise around, who can say? 197 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,900 Sean Aylmer: Will Anthony Albanese, can he actually win the next election? 198 00:10:44,950 --> 00:10:48,500 Laura Tingle: Well, it's always a question primarily of whether the government 199 00:10:48,500 --> 00:10:52,550 Laura Tingle: can lose it. Once again, there are questions about... One 200 00:10:52,550 --> 00:10:55,010 Laura Tingle: of the things about the submarine deal is it may 201 00:10:55,010 --> 00:10:58,550 Laura Tingle: not have wedged Labor, but it sort of silenced them because 202 00:10:59,020 --> 00:11:01,720 Laura Tingle: they just don't want to be talking about national security issues. 203 00:11:02,140 --> 00:11:04,620 Laura Tingle: That sort of keeps them a little bit in their box. 204 00:11:05,050 --> 00:11:07,690 Laura Tingle: I don't know whether national security is actually an issue 205 00:11:07,690 --> 00:11:10,719 Laura Tingle: that's going to work for Scott Morrison. I think it 206 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,260 Laura Tingle: is much more going to be a seat by seat proposition, 207 00:11:13,260 --> 00:11:16,990 Laura Tingle: particularly with the rise of a lot of these independent candidates. 208 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,620 Laura Tingle: I think it's not going to be a thing where 209 00:11:19,620 --> 00:11:23,420 Laura Tingle: Anthony Albanese wins because everybody goes, " Yay! We want Anthony 210 00:11:23,420 --> 00:11:26,309 Laura Tingle: Albanese as Prime Minister at this point." It'll be sort of 211 00:11:26,309 --> 00:11:28,820 Laura Tingle: a bit of an accidental result, and they don't happen 212 00:11:28,820 --> 00:11:29,410 Laura Tingle: all that much. 213 00:11:30,340 --> 00:11:32,880 Sean Aylmer: There's no talk of Anthony being replaced by anyone? 214 00:11:33,330 --> 00:11:34,080 Laura Tingle: Not really. No. 215 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,160 Sean Aylmer: Fair enough. Laura, thank you for talking to Fear and Greed. 216 00:11:37,500 --> 00:11:38,480 Laura Tingle: Thanks, Sean. Always a pleasure. 217 00:11:38,990 --> 00:11:43,280 Sean Aylmer: That was Laura Tingle, chief political correspondent for ABC 7.30. This 218 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,699 Sean Aylmer: is the Fear and Greed Daily Interview. Join me every morning 219 00:11:45,700 --> 00:11:47,929 Sean Aylmer: for the full Fear and Greed Podcast, with all the 220 00:11:47,929 --> 00:11:50,920 Sean Aylmer: business news you need to know. I'm Sean Aylmer. Enjoy 221 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:51,270 Sean Aylmer: your day.