WEBVTT - Where is One Nation’s money coming from?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Ruby Jones and you're listening to seven AM. As

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<v Speaker 1>one nation's political clout rises, so too does its bank

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<v Speaker 1>balance courtesy of the very elite Pauline Hanson often rails against. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>An investigation by The Brisbane Times in Sydney Morning Herald

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<v Speaker 1>has detailed some of the places One Nation's cash is

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<v Speaker 1>coming from, from exclusive parties hosted at Gena ryan Hart's mansion,

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<v Speaker 1>to movies to merch. But perhaps even more pertinent is

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<v Speaker 1>the contributions hidden from public view. Today Sidney Morning Herald

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<v Speaker 1>investigative reporter Patrick Begley on the sources of one Nation's wealth.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Tuesday, August eleven. So Patrick, let's begin with these

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<v Speaker 1>dinner parties that have been hosted at Gena rein hart

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<v Speaker 1>Riverside mansion in Brisbane. What can you tell me about them?

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<v Speaker 2>So these are quite intimate affairs, we're told me and

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<v Speaker 2>my colleague James Hall from the Brisbane Times. They're small

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<v Speaker 2>dinner parties and they're at this beautiful Hawthorne mansion that

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<v Speaker 2>yin Hut has with wonderful views overlooking the Brisbane River.

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<v Speaker 2>The admission price is ten thousand dollars a ticket, and

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<v Speaker 2>what you get is sometimes Ryan Hunt herself, although at

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<v Speaker 2>times she's a late withdrawal, but Pauline Hanson is certainly

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<v Speaker 2>there and sometimes her star recruit Barnaby Joyce is there

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<v Speaker 2>as well. And these dinners are really a chance for

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<v Speaker 2>people to mingle with Hansen. And the guest list, we're

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<v Speaker 2>told is often people from industry bodies like the resources sector,

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<v Speaker 2>wealthy business people, sometimes small business owners, and they're not

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<v Speaker 2>always political themselves guests, but they might just want to

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<v Speaker 2>contribute via fundraising.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's fair to say then that this ten

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars is less for the Champagne and cavia On

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<v Speaker 1>offer and more for the opportunity to network and perhaps influence.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. I don't think that the people paying ten

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars are doing so for astronomy reasons. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's who's in the room. And for a long time

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<v Speaker 2>now Ronehart has had these dinner parties. They're apparently quite

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<v Speaker 2>well known in political circles, especially up in Queensland. Whereas

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<v Speaker 2>once upon a time they were really about people trying

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<v Speaker 2>to maybe influence the policy of the Liberal National Party,

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<v Speaker 2>they're now heavily geared towards one nation and our reporting

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<v Speaker 2>show that some had even heard gloating from those present

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<v Speaker 2>that the donations from one nation were flooding in, and

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<v Speaker 2>the implication there was, you really don't want to be

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<v Speaker 2>outside of this. You don't want to be failing to

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<v Speaker 2>contribute to the flood of donations, because you want to

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<v Speaker 2>be in the room, in the know, and in close

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<v Speaker 2>proximity with people who are, in Reinhardt's case, enormously powerful

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<v Speaker 2>through her business interests, and in Hanson's case, a real

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<v Speaker 2>rising political force.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you think about it, ten thousand dollars is

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<v Speaker 1>comparatively speaking, a bit of a steal compared to some

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<v Speaker 1>of Gina's past one nation fundraisers. There's been the luxury

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<v Speaker 1>cruise ship, her private jet events on that. So why

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<v Speaker 1>do you think she's offering this cheaper option.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, she's certainly been extraordinarily generous with her

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<v Speaker 2>support for the party, But you have to remember that

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<v Speaker 2>these are dinner parties with maybe ten or so guests,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're told that there have been multiple of these

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<v Speaker 2>type of events, and for a political party, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you're never saying no to cash. Every little bit counts,

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<v Speaker 2>and we can see this right across politics, whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>the Liberal Party, the Labor Party. They do these events,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that it's because they can't rely solely

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<v Speaker 2>on wealthy benefactors, you know, the mega mega donors. They

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<v Speaker 2>need to be casting around for a broader pool. As

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<v Speaker 2>for Reinhartz motivations, I don't think we know exactly. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>why not just donate the one hundred and twenty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars you might earn from that particular event. But I

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<v Speaker 2>suppose that if you're a billionaire who's got political interests,

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<v Speaker 2>then it doesn't hurt to be mingling with other people

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<v Speaker 2>who share similar views and have similar policy ambitions.

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<v Speaker 1>And I suppose we're not going to know exactly how

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<v Speaker 1>much revenue is being raised for one nation for these

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<v Speaker 1>kind of events for the time being right well, for the.

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<v Speaker 2>Time being and potentially forever. And that's because of the

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<v Speaker 2>disclosure thre thresholds that are currently in place. I think

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment at the federal level, that's about seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars, So if you're donating less than that, then

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<v Speaker 2>essentially it will not appear publicly. That is going to change.

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<v Speaker 2>Labor has introduced new rules that are set to take

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<v Speaker 2>effect next year that will drop the disclosure threshold right

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<v Speaker 2>down to five thousand dollars. But yeah, those people who

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<v Speaker 2>are donating right now at the dinners, we might never

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<v Speaker 2>know who they are.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this is only one way in which One

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<v Speaker 1>Nation is raising funds. Tell me a bit more about

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<v Speaker 1>what we know about where else One Nation's money is

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<v Speaker 1>coming from, because some of it is pretty unorthodox.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that's right. I mean, like all political parties, it

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<v Speaker 2>gets quite a lot of money from the government. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 2>it gets distributions from electoral commissions for campaign finance, for

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<v Speaker 2>administrative expenses and so on, and that's definitely significant and

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<v Speaker 2>can't be ignored. What you see in One Nation, though,

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<v Speaker 2>is a party that has entered out into all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of different things. It's got this very extensive merch section

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<v Speaker 2>on its website where you can get everything from mousepads

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<v Speaker 2>to beach balls to bottles of gin, which received some

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<v Speaker 2>negative reviews online. You've got the make Elbow Go Away

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<v Speaker 2>baseball caps, so you've got the merch side of things.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got new.

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<v Speaker 1>Great Pauline Hanson One Nation hats, we got the socks

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<v Speaker 1>which are incredibly comfy, and we've got.

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<v Speaker 2>These Then there's also the film production business that they

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<v Speaker 2>entered into. I think it was last year on Australia Day,

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<v Speaker 2>they released the very sarcastically titled super Progressive movie.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going every single capital city.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going around. Pauline's going to be there. We've got

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<v Speaker 3>the orange carp but we're going to have a media wall.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just really excited about it because and this is

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<v Speaker 2>an animated film directed by the Party with the help

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<v Speaker 2>of a production studio, and apparently it costs about five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand dollars to make, it's been reported. And this film,

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<v Speaker 2>the Party has said, is to raise proceeds for the

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<v Speaker 2>fight against the Albanese government in twenty twenty eight, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's a very explicitly political project. Now, what we found

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<v Speaker 2>in our reporting is that that actually raises a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a question for the Party about whether a super

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<v Speaker 2>progressive movie and the companies associated with it should actually

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<v Speaker 2>be declared as associated entities. Now, under electoral law, associated

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<v Speaker 2>entities are pretty much there so that you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>these backdoorways of contributing money to parties. So if you've

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<v Speaker 2>got a company and it's substantially controlled by a party,

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<v Speaker 2>or it's for the party's benefit. In the main, it

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<v Speaker 2>should be an associated entity, and the Australian Electoral Commission

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<v Speaker 2>has told us, without going into specifics, that it's examining

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<v Speaker 2>whether there are associated entities of one nation that ought

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<v Speaker 2>to have been declared. We don't know for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet still to come. One nation's dubis track record with finances. Patrick,

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine it can be pretty difficult trying to piece

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<v Speaker 1>together all of this because Pauline Hanson and her party

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<v Speaker 1>there's a history there of failing to declare financial interests

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<v Speaker 1>and gifts and spending over the years.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. I don't think any party is without issues

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to compliance with electoral regulations. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we see pretty commonly politicians having to update their personal

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<v Speaker 2>interests because of one failure or another. But I do

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<v Speaker 2>think it is fair to say that one nation has

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<v Speaker 2>form when it comes to this.

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<v Speaker 3>Electoral Commission has confirmed it will and its investigation into

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<v Speaker 3>one nation's finances. The ABC's four Corners claims the party

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<v Speaker 3>used money from a Victorian property developer to buy a

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<v Speaker 3>light plane.

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<v Speaker 2>We discovered that even just recently, the party in Queensland

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<v Speaker 2>was forced to update its declarations to show that it

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<v Speaker 2>had spent an extra two hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>or so at the last Queensland state election campaign, and

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<v Speaker 2>that meant that it had effectively failed to declare nearly

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<v Speaker 2>half its spending in that campaign until it received some

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<v Speaker 2>correspondence from the Electoral Commission. And on top of that,

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<v Speaker 2>there's also news that came out recently that in Queensland,

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<v Speaker 2>the political entity there that One Nation has could even

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<v Speaker 2>face deregistration for failing to upload some further reports and

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<v Speaker 2>financial accounts. So there's definitely a lot going on in

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<v Speaker 2>this space.

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<v Speaker 1>One nation is in danger of being struck off in

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<v Speaker 1>Queensland over missing financial records the film business.

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<v Speaker 2>I only learned about that earlier this year when I

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<v Speaker 2>did a company search on Pauline Hanson and I could

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<v Speaker 2>see that she had these various directorships and shareholdings and

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<v Speaker 2>companies and they did not appear on her register of interests.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what every senator or member of Parliament is

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<v Speaker 2>required to upload publicly, all of their various income sources,

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<v Speaker 2>interests and so on. Pauline Hanson had just left those off.

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<v Speaker 2>She did later correct the record. Another thing that we

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<v Speaker 2>were dealing with here is some of the loans that

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<v Speaker 2>go on within one nation. We could see money going

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<v Speaker 2>from one branch to another to another. And Pauline Hanson

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<v Speaker 2>is actually a really significant lender to the party herself.

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<v Speaker 2>She since she's become a senator about a decade ago,

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<v Speaker 2>has lent the party five hundred and seventy five thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars or so, and in twenty twenty four to twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five she lent another or within that two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and forty five thousand dollars. And so one angle that

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<v Speaker 2>James and I were exploring in our reporting is the

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<v Speaker 2>interest that she was earning on those loans. The Party

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<v Speaker 2>has said it's a commercial rate of interest. Other interest

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<v Speaker 2>rates charged by the party are around about the six

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<v Speaker 2>percent mark, and that means that Pauline Hanson in that

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<v Speaker 2>financial year would have stood to earn, based on those

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of figures, about fifteen thousand dollars in interest by

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<v Speaker 2>lending to her own party. The thing is that there

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<v Speaker 2>is no additional income source reported by Pauline Hanson that

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<v Speaker 2>just doesn't show up. We asked her about it, Unfortunately

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<v Speaker 2>she declined to comment.

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<v Speaker 1>So as it stands, then, how much of one nation's

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<v Speaker 1>donations are undisclosed, meaning we don't know who's made them.

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<v Speaker 2>So that will depend whether you're looking at the states

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<v Speaker 2>or federally. But if we just take the federal level.

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<v Speaker 2>I spoke to Jute Tam who's a researcher, a law

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<v Speaker 2>professor at the University of Melbourne, and he had a

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<v Speaker 2>quick look at one nation's accounts at the federal level.

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<v Speaker 2>One nation in twenty twenty four twenty twenty five took

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<v Speaker 2>in about three point three million dollars at the federal

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<v Speaker 2>level and two million dollars more than two million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>of that went undisclosed. So I think that points to

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<v Speaker 2>in this case, not necessarily any kind of failing by

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<v Speaker 2>one nation, but a failing of our political system. It's

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<v Speaker 2>really just, I think a sad reflection of Australian politics

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<v Speaker 2>that for so long we've let very large amounts of

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<v Speaker 2>money come in without proper declaration and disclosure. The Labor

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<v Speaker 2>Government is acting on that. We're going to have the

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<v Speaker 2>new laws in place next year, the lower threshold for disclosure,

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<v Speaker 2>some better reporting in terms of the time frame. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not real time, but it will be closer to

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<v Speaker 2>real pa as it stands. It's a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>guessing game each year at the federal level. We wait

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<v Speaker 2>until it's February, I think, and then there's a flood

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<v Speaker 2>of information that comes out about what's been going on

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<v Speaker 2>for the last year. Those new laws from Labor will

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully fix that.

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<v Speaker 1>And One Nation isn't the only political party obviously that

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<v Speaker 1>relies on donors and fundraising dinners. We were chatting to

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<v Speaker 1>Sean Kelly last week about the Prime Minister's ten thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars ahead dinner at Point Piper. So is One Nation

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<v Speaker 1>doing anything different to any of the major political parties.

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<v Speaker 2>In one way? No, I mean hospitality and fundraising go

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<v Speaker 2>together and have done for a very long time. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that what's interesting about One Nation, though, is its

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<v Speaker 2>sheer proximity to such a wealthy and powerful person in

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<v Speaker 2>the form of Gina Einhart.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a very proud, patriotic Australian and she sees the

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<v Speaker 3>same in me.

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<v Speaker 2>Sposh. You back to me. Now, other billionaires have supported Labor,

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<v Speaker 2>they've supported the Liberals, sometimes both, But I think that

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to Reinhardt and Hansen, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that we've seen this level of closeness and proximity between

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<v Speaker 2>such a powerful business figure and someone like Hanson who

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<v Speaker 2>is both outside of the political mainstream in one way

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<v Speaker 2>but increasingly becoming the center of attention, and someone who,

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<v Speaker 2>through her party, I think, poses a real threat to

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<v Speaker 2>the political parties, you know, the main political party systems

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<v Speaker 2>that we see in place at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Well Patrick, thank you so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the news, tonight's census is being hailed by

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<v Speaker 1>some as Australia's most progressive, with new questions on sexuality

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<v Speaker 1>and gender. LGBTIQ plus advocates say the data collected will

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<v Speaker 1>be transformative in learning more about the queer community and

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<v Speaker 1>lead to better decisions around things like health and community services.

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<v Speaker 1>Held every five years, the census is compulsory and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see millions of Australians simultaneously complete the same sixty six

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<v Speaker 1>question survey. And two airport workers have been temporarily stood

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<v Speaker 1>down as investigators look into the second near collision between

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<v Speaker 1>two planes at Sydney Airport in two weeks. An airline

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<v Speaker 1>worker was injured when a Jet Star plane was forced

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<v Speaker 1>to slam on its brakes after coming within meters of

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<v Speaker 1>striking aktar Jet. Transport Minister Catherine King says there was

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<v Speaker 1>unplanned leave due to illness in Sydney over the weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>but his confident Air Services Australia is doing everything it

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<v Speaker 1>can to get on top of the situation. I'm Riby Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>This is seven AM. Thanks for listening, new

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<v Speaker 2>And