WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 15 September

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, Happy Sunday. Lots of show to get to tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's not muck around. I want to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>the story of two people who sadly are no longer

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<v Speaker 1>with us. One is via an accident and one is

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<v Speaker 1>via absolute incompetence of people who should be there to

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<v Speaker 1>take care of them, and that is a failure of government.

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<v Speaker 1>It was pretty windy in Sydney today and sadly there

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<v Speaker 1>was a lady who ended up losing her life today

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<v Speaker 1>as a tree branch fell, fell quickly and ended up

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<v Speaker 1>crushing her. Here's what locals said about what they saw.

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<v Speaker 1>Try to reside to their tab but unfortunately, I think

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<v Speaker 1>kem Let she already passed before they came. Very terrible

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<v Speaker 1>unscared because our family here in evan of which kid

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<v Speaker 1>might be walking around and then thing like this happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Good examples about Australians trying to help somebody, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course all of us who live around trees, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>fear that we all have. The second, though, is one

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<v Speaker 1>that never should have happened. It is not an accident,

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<v Speaker 1>now you know. I talk about ambulances a lot. I

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the failures in and around our ambulance network

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<v Speaker 1>because there's just not enough of them. There's not enough paramedics,

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<v Speaker 1>and the pressure on paramedics is pretty unbelievable. Now. For

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<v Speaker 1>the last state election in Victoria, I made much of

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<v Speaker 1>what I thought was one of those things that would

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<v Speaker 1>actually move the dial about whether people think that they

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<v Speaker 1>should rehire a government that oversaw such a stuff up

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<v Speaker 1>with the TRIPLEO system, that ambulances weren't turning up, calls

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<v Speaker 1>weren't being connected, and thirty three people died as a

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<v Speaker 1>result of those failures. I've also talked a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>a reason why you should probably get rid of your

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<v Speaker 1>local state government, because every state government in the country

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<v Speaker 1>is currently overseeing hospital ramping, hospital ramping that is at

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<v Speaker 1>near record levels. As I've explained before, if you call

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<v Speaker 1>Triple O and an ambulance turns up, most likely the

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<v Speaker 1>ambulance won't take you straight to the hospital, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you go straight into find a bed because there's not

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<v Speaker 1>enough beds, you end up sitting in the back of

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<v Speaker 1>the hospital, back of the ambulance. This becomes very significant,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have seen examples of people dying as a

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<v Speaker 1>result of the lack of care because they're not physically

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<v Speaker 1>in the hospital. They're in the car park in the

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<v Speaker 1>back of an ambulance, which of course is not able

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<v Speaker 1>to go and collect anyone else because of that hospital ramping. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently there were fifty fewer ambulance crews around this weekend

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<v Speaker 1>in and around central Melbourne because of the exhaustion, that burnout,

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<v Speaker 1>the stress. Now, I in no way when I make

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<v Speaker 1>this point and making the point about your average paramedic.

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<v Speaker 1>These people's entire reason for why they picked the job

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<v Speaker 1>they did is to save as many lives as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>But something is going very wrong when fifty ambulance crews,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning fifty ambulances, weren't around this weekend. The Ambulance Union

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<v Speaker 1>was making the point today about why.

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<v Speaker 2>Code one lights in siren's cases. As we understand, it

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<v Speaker 2>waited over an hour to get an ambulance response. We

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<v Speaker 2>see this when crews are fatigued and they're burnt out

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<v Speaker 2>and they're exhausted.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sad to say that there is a story tonight

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<v Speaker 1>of a man who should still be with us, but

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<v Speaker 1>the ambulance never turned up. In fact, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>four hour period of time between when the call was

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<v Speaker 1>made to when the ambulance actually turned up. Quoting from

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<v Speaker 1>the age, a man was found dead early on Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>morning as stretched paramedics arrived four hours after a neighbor

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<v Speaker 1>first heard him calling out for help and called Triple

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<v Speaker 1>zero based on the limited information that he had received.

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<v Speaker 1>Hill Is, of course, the representative of the union, said

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<v Speaker 1>that the neighbor couldn't access the property themselves and had

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<v Speaker 1>heard the man call for up to two hours after

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<v Speaker 1>the initial call to emergency services. At some point after

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<v Speaker 1>that two hours, the voice disappeared and presumably he was

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<v Speaker 1>getting sicker or had actually died. It wasn't until another

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<v Speaker 1>two hours before the ambulance crew actually got to the

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<v Speaker 1>home cow for help.

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<v Speaker 2>You expect to get it when it's really busy. There

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<v Speaker 2>are delays, but a four hour delay really just doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>give someone who's critically unwell a chance at surviving.

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<v Speaker 1>What is going on here? What is going on in

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<v Speaker 1>a first world country where we pay so much in

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<v Speaker 1>tax Whereas I've told you before, federal, state and local

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<v Speaker 1>government have more money coming into them than they have

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<v Speaker 1>ever had before in our lifetimes. Yet an ambulance service

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<v Speaker 1>is stretched so thin that fifty separate crews not as

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<v Speaker 1>part of industrial action, but they were unable to get

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<v Speaker 1>into the ambulances, meaning you had an extra chance of

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<v Speaker 1>being collected if someone calls. Now, of course, none of

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<v Speaker 1>us want to have a moment where we have to

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<v Speaker 1>call Triple OW, but our assumption is when we do,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an emergency, it's a real emergency. And when we're

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<v Speaker 1>calling about a neighbor that for whatever reason we can't

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<v Speaker 1>physically get into their home because maybe we are disabled,

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<v Speaker 1>we are unable ourselves due to ill health, to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to get next door and help somebody that for

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<v Speaker 1>two hours you can hear their pain. In two hours,

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<v Speaker 1>when you call Triple O anywhere in Australia, an ambulance

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<v Speaker 1>should turn up, but in this case it didn't, and

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<v Speaker 1>in this case the man died. Ambulance Victoria of course,

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<v Speaker 1>will not release any further details because it's now a

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<v Speaker 1>matter for the coroner, meaning of course that the hope

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<v Speaker 1>is that some report will come out many months from

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<v Speaker 1>now and we won't notice. The statement though that was

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<v Speaker 1>released by Ambulance Victoria is your classic holding statement where

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<v Speaker 1>you say everything, but you really say nothing. Our deeper

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<v Speaker 1>sympathies are with the patient's family at this very sad time.

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<v Speaker 1>We would like to thank the community members who alerted

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<v Speaker 1>Triple zero. That's it. Not we failed, not we will

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<v Speaker 1>do better. Not we need the government to give us

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<v Speaker 1>more money, or more equipment or more people. Just thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for your call. Honestly, this is like you're on hold

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<v Speaker 1>with an insurance company and you're being told that you're

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<v Speaker 1>seventeenth in the queue, but your call is important to us.

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<v Speaker 1>Any call to Triple O is an emergency. There are

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<v Speaker 1>too many calls, yes, hundreds, nay even thousands of them

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<v Speaker 1>every year in every state, which are idiotic, stupid, rubbish calls.

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<v Speaker 1>But clearly here the neighbor calls Triple zero and says

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<v Speaker 1>I can hear my neighbor screaming they're in pain. Pain

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<v Speaker 1>that continued for at least two hours, and help not

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<v Speaker 1>offered for another two hours. My advice is that tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>morning the Health Minister should resign because when a system

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<v Speaker 1>fails like this, it is beyond your capacity to control it,

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<v Speaker 1>or you are out of your depth being able to

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<v Speaker 1>respond to it. So though same way she turned and

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<v Speaker 1>left a press conference, she should turn and leave the Ministry.

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<v Speaker 1>The Premiere should sack this minister. Now, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>anything else about this situation other than what I have

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<v Speaker 1>read and what I have told you. But how is

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<v Speaker 1>it acceptable in a state where thirty three people died

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<v Speaker 1>before the last state election because the triple O system

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<v Speaker 1>didn't work, and this man dies because an ambulance doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>turn up for four hours, and not four hours during

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<v Speaker 1>the busiest time of the day, but at two o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning, all the way till six o'clock in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning, there was no one there to take care

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<v Speaker 1>of this person. We will learn in the next twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four hours whether the Victorian government is interested at all

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<v Speaker 1>in first accountability but secondly treating this with the urgency

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<v Speaker 1>that it deserves. Or most likely you won't hear anything

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<v Speaker 1>from anyone tomorrow. No one will do a press conference.

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<v Speaker 1>There'll be nothing happening in and around Parliament. The media

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<v Speaker 1>will move on because they won an election even after

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three people had died as a result of the

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<v Speaker 1>tripolo system that failed on their watch. Now we've debated

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<v Speaker 1>long and half here on Sky News about the absolute

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<v Speaker 1>idiocy of the decision which was made by the Environment

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<v Speaker 1>Minister based off one activist about whether or not a

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<v Speaker 1>certain amount of water could be used for the tailings

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<v Speaker 1>of a gold mine in central New South Wales. It's Blainey,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not too far from Bathurst. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>huge project that would have hired thousands of people and

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<v Speaker 1>may well have ended up producing at least a billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars worth of gold. Now the Environment Minister listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the one piece of advice that she wanted as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to all of the other advice that was on the table,

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<v Speaker 1>and even her Prime Minister who allegedly said he fully

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<v Speaker 1>supports the mine. Let alone other local Indigenous people, let

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<v Speaker 1>alone the local community, let alone the nwsappals Premier No no,

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<v Speaker 1>Tanya knows best. So this project disappears. But the Prime

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<v Speaker 1>Minister says he fully supports it. He couldn't possibly overrule

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<v Speaker 1>or tell the minister to go back and make a

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<v Speaker 1>different decision because of course these people don't talk to

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<v Speaker 1>each other. Why because you see their factional factional enemies.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the leader of the left, the Unicophals left in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>Tanua was the former deputy leader from the Nusopas left,

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<v Speaker 1>who of course had to get out of the way,

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<v Speaker 1>so Albo could make his run towards the leadership. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's the Liberal Party that has a problem

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<v Speaker 1>with women. But the bea Toloo gas basin, the bead basin,

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<v Speaker 1>i should say, and the gas project in the Northern Territory.

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<v Speaker 1>This is huge now according to the Northern Territory Government

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<v Speaker 1>and reporting at the time, the amount of gas that

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<v Speaker 1>is in this part of the Northern Territory is five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred trillion cubic feet of gas. Gas, of course is

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<v Speaker 1>high in Australia because whatever we come out of the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>for some reason, we have sent more of it overseas

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<v Speaker 1>than we keep for ourselves. That's an issue for another day.

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<v Speaker 1>But it also would have provided six three hundred jobs

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<v Speaker 1>the Northern Territory, which has a population of just a

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<v Speaker 1>couple hundred thousand people. That is a significant number of

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<v Speaker 1>jobs and it's something that the Northern Territory government under

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<v Speaker 1>not the most recent but the one before that Chief

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<v Speaker 1>Minister supported this project for too long. They had dragged

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<v Speaker 1>their feet, but finally they came out and they said

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<v Speaker 1>that they had backed the Terloo Basin gas project. In

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<v Speaker 1>actual fact, at the time it was something that they

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<v Speaker 1>were trying to use to try to hold onto power,

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<v Speaker 1>something that of course they lost. Despite the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>the person who replaced this Chief Minister as Labour's Chief

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<v Speaker 1>Minister also supported the project.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to make it clear traditional owners Aboriginal territorians

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<v Speaker 3>have the power to veto a project. Now is the

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<v Speaker 3>time for the Northern Territory to provide the energy that

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<v Speaker 3>the world needs to transition to renewable energies. We are

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely serious about protecting our environment and our social amenity.

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<v Speaker 3>This won't come at the cost to territorians.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. That was the same super lefty Labor Chief Minister

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<v Speaker 1>who of course believed that alcohol bands in Alice Springs

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<v Speaker 1>in particular were racist. Of course, she was proven to

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<v Speaker 1>be very wrong and ended up putting them back in

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<v Speaker 1>place and to some extent they worked. So this was

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<v Speaker 1>a person who clearly in a previous political life would

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<v Speaker 1>not have been interested in the project. In fact, she

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<v Speaker 1>most likely would have tried to throw the project under

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<v Speaker 1>the bus, because remember she ended up losing her seat

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<v Speaker 1>in Parliament to the Greens, but she supports the project.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, there was a change of government and they

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<v Speaker 1>too support this project because firstly, that amount of gas

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<v Speaker 1>would obviously help with the territory's capacity to have permanent

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<v Speaker 1>energy backing up the renewable energy. There's so much that

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<v Speaker 1>gas that would be able to do the same potentially

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<v Speaker 1>for other parts of the country, straight down to South Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>across the Queensland Diagonal, down to places like New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 1>But guess what, Tanya Plubisek has now found a reason

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<v Speaker 1>to delay the project. Fresh after the scandal that was

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<v Speaker 1>how she destroyed the mine in the middle of New

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<v Speaker 1>South Wales, she is now in a position where she

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<v Speaker 1>has decided to push this off to an independent committee.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think we all know how the independent committee's

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<v Speaker 1>going to rule, because it wasn't her choice, it was

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<v Speaker 1>the committee's choice. Environment Minister Tania Plebisec will force controversial

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<v Speaker 1>gas fracking projects and the straight is far north to

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<v Speaker 1>under go tough environmental checks. Of course, they're deliberately so

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<v Speaker 1>tough that nothing would get approved. As the federal government

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<v Speaker 1>brows with its political opponents and miners of the future

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<v Speaker 1>nature law reforms, plubi sc intervened on the weekend. Now

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<v Speaker 1>remember she did this on Saturday, hoping that everyone would

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<v Speaker 1>be distracted by football finals or local government elections in

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<v Speaker 1>New South Wales. But guess what. Thanks to the reporting of,

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<v Speaker 1>among others, the Sydney Morning Herald, we have noticed this

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<v Speaker 1>plub a se devend on Saturday in the debate over

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<v Speaker 1>the impact of gas exploration in water resources in the

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<v Speaker 1>Begloo Basin, five hundred kilometers south of Darwin, declaring the

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<v Speaker 1>three projects would be subject to scientific assessments. Now remember

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<v Speaker 1>they've already gone through all of the assessments to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to laudge all of the paperwork to get the

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<v Speaker 1>approval of both sides of territory politics. But this decision

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<v Speaker 1>will deeply damage labor. The best case scenario for the

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<v Speaker 1>COLP representing the LNP and the National Party of the

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<v Speaker 1>next federal election is to win the seat of Solomon,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the one in and around Darwin, because many of

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<v Speaker 1>the jobs would be connected back to Darwin. The energy

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<v Speaker 1>projects would be connected back to Darwin. But equally so,

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<v Speaker 1>when places like Alice Springs have been plunged into darkness

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<v Speaker 1>because and I'm not joking, a cloud goes over their

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<v Speaker 1>soul of farm, this would be the way to guarantee

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<v Speaker 1>that the lights stay on. If this project is killed,

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<v Speaker 1>so too would at least one of those two territory

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<v Speaker 1>seats in my view for the Labor Party. Now Marian Scrimjaw,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the local Labor politician, she was skeptical about

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<v Speaker 1>the Voice. She is not a left wing advocate, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>she's telling the line that this is the right decision.

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<v Speaker 1>But as Alla Springs has shown us in the territory

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<v Speaker 1>elections and in the Voice elections, they don't quite care

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<v Speaker 1>what they are told by Labor, which is their own

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<v Speaker 1>good interests, what they believe to be the best interests

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<v Speaker 1>of the public. The public turns around says no, we

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<v Speaker 1>want energy that works, and if we can have some

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<v Speaker 1>jobs on top of that, even better. In The Guardian,

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<v Speaker 1>the most left wing view of this decision, Plibask said

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<v Speaker 1>environmental decisions must be guided by science and natural environment law.

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<v Speaker 1>Now again that's all code for indigenous issues. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>I've asked scientific experts to look at these projects to

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<v Speaker 1>settle any concerns about potential impacts on water. Well, how

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<v Speaker 1>did they get to the place where they had been announced,

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<v Speaker 1>they had been supported. There is hard equipment that is

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<v Speaker 1>on those sites right now without all of this already

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<v Speaker 1>have been done. No, this is a way of trying

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<v Speaker 1>to delay the projects. This is a way of trying

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<v Speaker 1>to kill the projects. Anyone concerned should respect the independent

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<v Speaker 1>scientists and not rush to judgment on the basis of assumptions.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course this may well be in and around

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<v Speaker 1>doing her bit for Green's preferences because they keep her

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<v Speaker 1>alive in the city of Sydney and the Seat of

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<v Speaker 1>Sydney as well. The Federal Green's Environment spokesperson, Sarah Hanson

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<v Speaker 1>Young said that the company could start fracking any day

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<v Speaker 1>and Plebisk should use her powers under the expanded water

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<v Speaker 1>trigger to stop it, letting the company drill for months

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<v Speaker 1>while the report is being written as too risky for

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<v Speaker 1>the environment in the local water supply. So all of

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<v Speaker 1>this had already been approved. This is just another bit

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<v Speaker 1>of red green tape that's being found at the last

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<v Speaker 1>minute to wrap up the project, to try to lay

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<v Speaker 1>it till eventually the private company walks away, or to

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<v Speaker 1>kill it off to win Green's preferences that they would

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<v Speaker 1>already be guaranteed of getting at the next election. Watch

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<v Speaker 1>this space if you look. The gold mine was a

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<v Speaker 1>big story. The Begloo Basin is much bigger, not just

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<v Speaker 1>for the territory, not just for those two seats, but

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<v Speaker 1>for the country in general. A lot of people have

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<v Speaker 1>had something to say about the welcome to country ceremony,

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<v Speaker 1>not just the general existence of them. We certainly know

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<v Speaker 1>there are some local councils with people that have been

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<v Speaker 1>re elected that have turned around said no, enough of

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff. I don't want to be welcome in my

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<v Speaker 1>own country, all the rest of it. You know, the

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<v Speaker 1>arguments against it. Well, there was Welcome to Country of

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<v Speaker 1>the AFL Finals this weekend and it was the match

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<v Speaker 1>between the Lions and the Giants. Lions one, Giants out

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<v Speaker 1>of the finals. If you haven't heard, this is what

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<v Speaker 1>the bloke had to say. And I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a preview of the future where the

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Country ceremony will be an opportunity for somebody

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<v Speaker 1>to lecture.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome to country is not a ceremony that we've invented

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<v Speaker 4>to cater for white people.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got more.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a ceremony we've been doing for two hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>fifty thousand years plus BC, and the BC stands for

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<v Speaker 4>before Cook.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, versely, isn't it sixty five thousand years? That's what

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<v Speaker 1>we were all being told during the Voice debate forty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years, of course twenty years before that. So I

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<v Speaker 1>just love to know what he knows about two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty thousand years. Not that it matters, not that

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<v Speaker 1>anyone will question it, That's just the way it is.

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<v Speaker 1>But mark my words, as the next generation of people

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<v Speaker 1>become the activists that are paid to provide these ceremonies,

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<v Speaker 1>they are going to get rougher. They are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be how some people are going to try to lecture

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<v Speaker 1>the assembled crowd about either the crimes that have taken

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<v Speaker 1>place or the crimes that never been atoned for. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, this is all supposed to be an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>from people like the AFL to reach out. But if

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<v Speaker 1>the person will take your money to appear but still

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<v Speaker 1>slap the hand that pays the money to appear, well

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<v Speaker 1>then I'm not entirely sure what the purpose of the

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<v Speaker 1>exercise is, but as if it's going to change anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Sadly now, the Reserve Bank of Australia, after a dozen

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<v Speaker 1>interest rate rises under the Albanezi government, they themselves have

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<v Speaker 1>said that at the last meeting they were more likely

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<v Speaker 1>to put them up than put them down. They ended

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<v Speaker 1>up holding and holding just But as we've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>ever since the last election, one interest rate rise was

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<v Speaker 1>apparently a sign of a cost of living crisis that

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<v Speaker 1>was out of control, and the former Prime Minister had

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<v Speaker 1>to go, well what do you say when there's been

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<v Speaker 1>twelve more of them under your watch? Well, of course

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Chumas has an answer to all of this, which

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<v Speaker 1>is to change the Reserve Bank so it doesn't make

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<v Speaker 1>the decisions that the government doesn't want them to make

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<v Speaker 1>or becomes politically difficult. The python, of course that is

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<v Speaker 1>around Australians when it comes to trying to pay off

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<v Speaker 1>their own homes, or cost of living in general, or

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<v Speaker 1>rent that goes up as a result of the person

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<v Speaker 1>trying to pay off the house of which you are renting. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it is now so tight around people's necks that, as

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<v Speaker 1>I often say, people they're not just bright red, they're

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<v Speaker 1>not purple. They're like rabina purple with how much pressure

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<v Speaker 1>they're on. But Jim Charmers has a plan. He wants

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<v Speaker 1>to put a law through the Parliament that will change

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<v Speaker 1>the way the Reserve Bank works. Firstly, the current group

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<v Speaker 1>of people who are making the decisions which clearly are

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<v Speaker 1>about trying to get inflation in this country down to

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<v Speaker 1>between two and three percent, despite the fact that inflation

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<v Speaker 1>remains closer to four percent in this country rather than

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<v Speaker 1>three percent, while in the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, Japan,

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<v Speaker 1>all of their inflation is lower than ours. But nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to see here, right. The government, of course then turns

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<v Speaker 1>around and spends billions and billions and billions of extra

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<v Speaker 1>dollars that they didn't spend before. But then they say

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<v Speaker 1>it won't be inflationary. But then our inflation rate is

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<v Speaker 1>higher than the rest of the world. Nothing to see here,

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<v Speaker 1>of course. So the first thing they did was after

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<v Speaker 1>appointing their own version of the Reserve Bank boss, that

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<v Speaker 1>now being Michelle Bullet, to replace the previous one because

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<v Speaker 1>remember he was mustache twirling and monocle owning and he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't care. Oh that's right, he just was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>return the country to the agreed rate of inflation. She

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<v Speaker 1>also now has to give press conferences after the decisions

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<v Speaker 1>are made, because of course she will be therefore held responsible,

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<v Speaker 1>not the government. And they don't meet every month, they

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<v Speaker 1>meet every six weeks or so. But the law, the

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<v Speaker 1>Charmers wants to put in place is to take the

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<v Speaker 1>current group of people who are making those decisions the

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<v Speaker 1>Reserve Bank Board and create an entirely separate group of

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<v Speaker 1>people who are not connected to the board to make

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<v Speaker 1>the decisions about interest rates. Among those they would like

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<v Speaker 1>to put on that board union members, people who would

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<v Speaker 1>put simply not represent workers but do the bidding of

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<v Speaker 1>the government in the independent Reserve Bank. Now, the Greens

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<v Speaker 1>believe that this really isn't necessary because they think that

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<v Speaker 1>the current laws should be actually beefed up, meaning that

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<v Speaker 1>the current Treasurer would be able to overrule the Reserve Bank.

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<v Speaker 1>But today we learned that the Liberal Party won't be

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<v Speaker 1>having this. They'll do a deal in age care, but

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<v Speaker 1>they won't do a deal on changing or dare I say,

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<v Speaker 1>rigging the Reserve Bank. Jane Hume on Channel Too.

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<v Speaker 5>Today, maintaining stability and continuity on that board is fundamental

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<v Speaker 5>for fighting inflation and that should be the government's number

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<v Speaker 5>one priority. That was the government's sticking point. Now, Bizarrely,

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<v Speaker 5>the Treasurer then went into war with the RBA and

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<v Speaker 5>essentially try to undermine their in their independence, which we

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<v Speaker 5>found very question We're comfortable with the board that we

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<v Speaker 5>have that are dealing with monetary policy as they are.

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<v Speaker 5>That's the best way to get inflation down, which should

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<v Speaker 5>be the number one priority.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct. And remember, the majority of Australians polled even by

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<v Speaker 1>left wing organizations, shows that the majority of Australians blame

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<v Speaker 1>the federal government and the Treasurer for the issues to

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<v Speaker 1>do with cost of living, not the Reserve Bank, the

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<v Speaker 1>pre rigged Reserve Bank. For his part, again, Jim Chalmers

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<v Speaker 1>about why he wants to change the Reserve Bank.

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<v Speaker 6>I think you can imagine a situation where there has

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<v Speaker 6>been some substantial structural or institutional failure or some kind

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<v Speaker 6>of other emergency around perhaps the personnel of the Reserve

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<v Speaker 6>Bank and it's board or something like that, some total

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<v Speaker 6>breakdown in the usual kind of decision making capacity of

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<v Speaker 6>the Reserve Bank. But we're very deliberately not stipulating the

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<v Speaker 6>exact circumstances. We're trying to limit the circumstances.

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<v Speaker 1>But hang on, there's no evidence of any of that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they had an inquiry which of course suggested, guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>you should change the bank and be able to have

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<v Speaker 1>more representative voices like unions on its example of it

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<v Speaker 1>being a failed institution in terms of how it does

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<v Speaker 1>what it does. You can disagree with this decisions violence democracy,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is a bloke who is just literally trying

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<v Speaker 1>to novel the Reserve Bank from making the independent decisions

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<v Speaker 1>to bring inflation down, inflation that in part still remains

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<v Speaker 1>high because of the decisions of this federal government. I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned the Greens before. Now remember, most likely after the

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<v Speaker 1>next election, it's a minority government and the Greens are

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<v Speaker 1>the tail that's wagging the dog.

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<v Speaker 7>They have the power and it's therefore a reason it's

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<v Speaker 7>there because in emergencies and in crises, and we're saying

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<v Speaker 7>that people are at breaking point and are in a

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<v Speaker 7>crisis now in the middle of a cost of living,

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<v Speaker 7>an inequality crisis. Labours saying they want to take their

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<v Speaker 7>hands off the steering wheel even more, and we're saying no,

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<v Speaker 7>that's not the answer.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's the prime ministers are going to do about this? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>not much this week, you see, he's got more important

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<v Speaker 1>things to do now. Normally the Prime Minister passes himself

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<v Speaker 1>off as one of us by walking around building sites,

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<v Speaker 1>pointing at things high vis. Oh, but the other guy

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<v Speaker 1>was all about far Yeah, okay, pot calling kettle. We

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<v Speaker 1>all know what Albo really likes to do, which is

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<v Speaker 1>to get on one of two brand new private planes

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<v Speaker 1>that his government have paid for and delivered. Yes, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>originally ordered by the previous government. But Jess, isn't it

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<v Speaker 1>inconvenient to cancel a brand new plane because I like

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<v Speaker 1>flying around the wall on my own private plane that

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<v Speaker 1>I even nickname after my dog. So guess what airbus

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<v Speaker 1>elbow this week? Back up in the air where he

0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:28.119
<v Speaker 1>loves to be, just looking at clouds. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>real grab. Remember we showed you that he's off in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. He's going to be there for a

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<v Speaker 1>meeting of the Quad leaders. That of course is among

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<v Speaker 1>others Australia, the United States, India that are there. It

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<v Speaker 1>means we'll get the opportunity of seeing a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>losers together this time, Joe Biden and in my view,

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Abernezi Bubba all wait and see now. No doubt

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:50.400
<v Speaker 1>they'll probably be a little side meeting with Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 1>No conversation at all when it comes to Trump, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get to that in a moment or two is time.

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<v Speaker 1>But good to know, right, he will be up in

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<v Speaker 1>the air again, where he loves to be, on a

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<v Speaker 1>plane that he nicknames after his dog, sitting with a

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<v Speaker 1>president who is a lame duck president who does not

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<v Speaker 1>even have the strength to run for reelection, let alone

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<v Speaker 1>to actually remain the president because of course, as we know,

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<v Speaker 1>he spends more time at the beach than he does

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<v Speaker 1>actually talking about global affairs. But also worth noting about

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<v Speaker 1>global affairs is the latest escalation of the Ukraine War. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>for anyone who's half listening, I'm not somebody who believes

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<v Speaker 1>that the Ukraine War is a hopeless fight that no

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<v Speaker 1>one should be involved in. For obvious reasons, one's at democracy,

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<v Speaker 1>Russia ain't, and for obvious reasons, Ukraine should do everything

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<v Speaker 1>it can to try to repel Russia. But there's been

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<v Speaker 1>a change in the past couple of weeks that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't noticed because there's a lot of other things

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<v Speaker 1>going on, And it is now a scenario where as

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the United States can't fight with Russia because

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<v Speaker 1>if they fight with Russia directly, well, of course Russia

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<v Speaker 1>has a deal with China to defend Russia, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>off to the races. World World War III, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>what Ukraine is doing to defend itself to use weapons

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<v Speaker 1>that are made by the United States shipped to them

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<v Speaker 1>from the United States, and the United States get to

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<v Speaker 1>decide what they can use. This month, Joe Biden has

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<v Speaker 1>decided that missiles that will go further into Russia can

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<v Speaker 1>now be used by Ukraine to shoot in to Russia. Now, again,

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<v Speaker 1>the logic here is to try to weaken the Russian

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<v Speaker 1>forces or cut off their capacity to go back into Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>But still, is it not still an American weapon landing

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<v Speaker 1>in Russian territory just because it wasn't fired by an

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<v Speaker 1>American How will Putin respond? I don't say this is

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<v Speaker 1>a Putin apologist. He's the bad guy, right, But there

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<v Speaker 1>has been an escalation where it's not just giving them money,

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<v Speaker 1>it's giving them weapons and now giving them weapons to

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<v Speaker 1>actually hit Russia with. And this is not a one off.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the Biden administration is now currently this week

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<v Speaker 1>meeting with the UK's brand new prime minister telling them, hey,

0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:10.960
<v Speaker 1>you should do the same thing. So again, unpredictable, wrong,

0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:15.040
<v Speaker 1>bad guy Russia. How do they respond when weapons of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States and the UK will be dropped into Russia?

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<v Speaker 1>How will China respond? Of course, nothing to see here.

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<v Speaker 1>Right at the end of October, Hopefully Queensland will do

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<v Speaker 1>what fingers crossed we have been asking them to do

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time, and that is to flush the

0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 1>ridiculous labor government that they have there right now, giggles Miles,

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully the gig will be wiped off his face and

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<v Speaker 1>the person to do it, we hope will be David Crucifully. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>remember we spoke about David Crucifully all the way back

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<v Speaker 1>when he was a shadow minister, and we're backed him

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<v Speaker 1>in from the first day that he became the opposition leader.

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<v Speaker 1>We talk about Queensland politics a lot because I love

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<v Speaker 1>Queensland now amazingly Today the decision from both sides of

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<v Speaker 1>politics was to permanently keep the fifty cent public traansport

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<v Speaker 1>fares because there has been our giant surge in the

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<v Speaker 1>number of people that have been catching buses and trains.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure it costs spillions, but who cares right. Also worth

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<v Speaker 1>noting though, is that this is the start of the

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 1>soft election campaign before we get to the actual election campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of the month, Parliament's no longer around,

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<v Speaker 1>so basically election campaign has begun, and these are the

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<v Speaker 1>issues that matter. According to the opinion polls that show

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<v Speaker 1>that an undecided number at forty percent is a lot

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<v Speaker 1>higher than the low twenties for preferred premier. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>for Stephen Miles, the economy number one issue, daylight second

0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>fifty one percent. That's got to be good for the LNP.

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<v Speaker 1>Housing and rental affordability, well, you'd think that may well

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<v Speaker 1>help the Greens, certainly in lefty areas crime and antisocial behavior.

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 1>We know that's going to help the opposition and everything

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<v Speaker 1>under that is single digits, including climate change, which is

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<v Speaker 1>not even on the list now. As we know, last

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<v Speaker 1>week was the debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris,

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<v Speaker 1>and the expectation is that's it, and you know what,

0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 1>that's all it should be, because we know how rigged

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:14.600
<v Speaker 1>it was in terms of the moderators. We know that

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Trump certainly got himself into trouble with the whole cat business.

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 1>But essentially we don't need another debate. This is more

0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:23.960
<v Speaker 1>of a media event than anything else, right at least

0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 1>that's what Trump says right now.

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<v Speaker 4>So because we've done two debates and because they were successful.

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<v Speaker 1>There will be no third debate.

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<v Speaker 8>As everyone saw two.

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<v Speaker 4>Nights ago, we had a monumental victory over Comrade Kamala

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<v Speaker 4>Harris and the presidential debt.

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<v Speaker 1>But one thing that we all thought we were going

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<v Speaker 1>to see in the debate, which we didn't, but we

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 1>did see once she started doing interviews, including on local

0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:54.080
<v Speaker 1>television in Philadelphia. This is relevant because it's seen across

0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:57.240
<v Speaker 1>all the Pennsylvania win, Pennsylvania win the presidency for either

0:30:57.240 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Tim Red or Team Blue. But the word salads. This

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the reasons why she is the most

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<v Speaker 1>unpopular vice president of all time, not twenty years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>right now. And then, of course she wasn't Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>So Obama in a pants suit, But as I've argued,

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<v Speaker 1>it's more of an empty pantsuit than Obama in a pantsuit,

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<v Speaker 1>because in part she says crap like this.

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<v Speaker 2>When we talk about bringing down prices and making life

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<v Speaker 2>more affordable for people, what are.

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<v Speaker 8>One or two specific things you have in mind for that.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I'll start with this. I grew up a middle

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<v Speaker 9>class kid. My mother raised my sister and me. She

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<v Speaker 9>worked very hard. She was able to finally save up

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<v Speaker 9>enough money to buy our first house. When I was

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<v Speaker 9>a teenager. I try to explain to some people who

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<v Speaker 9>may not have had the same experience. You know, if

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<v Speaker 9>a lot of people will relate to this. You know,

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<v Speaker 9>I grew up in a neighborhood of folks who are

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<v Speaker 9>very proud of their line.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we stand by for the post debate bounce that

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly is going to put Kamala haha beyond touching distance.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll guess what tonight. A grade polls show her up

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<v Speaker 1>by a lot, and another a grade pole says him

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<v Speaker 1>up by a lot. So who knows. Let's say, look

0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 1>at the videotape of random people in a firehouse in

0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Pennsylvania about their reaction to Biden and Harris or Trump

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:47.960
<v Speaker 1>and Vance. I know it ain't science. We'll all wait

0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 1>and see fifty one days to go. We'll talk about

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:52.240
<v Speaker 1>it every day between now and then, not to do

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 1>the stuff you need to know. We'll ignore all the

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 1>garbage as well. And I can't wait to be in

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<v Speaker 1>the States for the election and a little bit before

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<v Speaker 1>and most certainly after quick break back with more lots

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<v Speaker 1>of talk about lots of debate, bold predictions for the

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<v Speaker 1>week ahead, and a very special friend of mine with

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<v Speaker 1>an conversation that I know you're going to absolutely love warness.

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<v Speaker 1>How good is this Sunday night? So good to see

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<v Speaker 1>two people who've got a smile on the die for

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<v Speaker 1>very different reasons. James Ashby's got a smile in his

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<v Speaker 1>die because he knows the election is on its way

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<v Speaker 1>and he's running there in the set of capable for

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:26.000
<v Speaker 1>one nation. It's getting closer and there you go at

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<v Speaker 1>his chances go up by the day, and the wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>Linda Scott's happy because she's done with local council. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>twelve years of your life finished done. Congratulations, Thank you

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>for your service all of that business in relation to

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<v Speaker 1>local government. Thank you for always coming on this program.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's get to my favorite topic, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>censoring of the Internet, the Misinformation Bill, James. It was

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<v Speaker 1>announced on Thursday. It's there if anyone wants to go

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<v Speaker 1>and find the details of seventy five pages of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had plenty to say about why I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is dangerous, What do you think of it?

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<v Speaker 10>Or the public are get to really have a tough

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<v Speaker 10>time getting their heads around this. But you know, the

0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:08.480
<v Speaker 10>unintended consequences with bills that labor put forward are the

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<v Speaker 10>things to really look forward to people because it starts

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<v Speaker 10>off trying to crack down on the hardcore mistruths and disinformation,

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:20.279
<v Speaker 10>and then somehow finishes up that you can no longer

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<v Speaker 10>post photos of you and the kids with Santa Claus

0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 10>because you know, all of a sudden that'll be treated

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<v Speaker 10>as misinformation as well. I can't gather get over the

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<v Speaker 10>fines here, Paul. They're trying to say they're going to

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<v Speaker 10>charge five percent of the global revenue of some of

0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 10>these big corporations. And we're talking companies like Facebook here

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<v Speaker 10>global turnover one hundred and thirty five billion. They want

0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:49.880
<v Speaker 10>to hit them with a five percent fine. Like, I

0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 10>don't quite get it. Is this labour's way of somehow

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<v Speaker 10>also trying to balance their budget and try and bring

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 10>some revenue in because that's about a seven billion dollar fine.

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<v Speaker 10>If people are caught doing the wrong thing and Facebook

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<v Speaker 10>face the penalty, it just doesn't make sense. This has

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<v Speaker 10>got a lot of holes in it, this bill, and

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<v Speaker 10>no wonder so many people have had a lot to say,

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<v Speaker 10>all negative.

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<v Speaker 1>I might just add, yeah, remember the first version of

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<v Speaker 1>this and this very little difference in my view between

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<v Speaker 1>first and the second version was opposed from everyone from

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<v Speaker 1>the ABC to US, from the IPA to the Human

0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:25.040
<v Speaker 1>Rights Commission. Okay, so there's putting holes in all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>For their part, the shadow Home Affairs ministers had plenty

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<v Speaker 1>to say.

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<v Speaker 11>Oh, this is crackpot stuff. This is about sovereignty. The

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<v Speaker 11>Australian government, like every other democratic country in the world,

0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:40.000
<v Speaker 11>asserts it right its rights to make laws to keep

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<v Speaker 11>Australian safe. This is not about free speech. How can

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<v Speaker 11>anyone in the name of free speech defend criminals publishing

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:54.200
<v Speaker 11>misleading content online which is leading Australians to lose billions

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:54.800
<v Speaker 11>of dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Apologies, we let that one through to the keeper Where

0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:01.440
<v Speaker 1>that's the government pushing it's agenda there, I think that's

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.320
<v Speaker 1>the Assistant Treasurer Linda. I've got a lot of concerns

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 1>about this. I understand what theoretically they're going after, but

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's a government solution to this. Well.

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<v Speaker 12>Look, I am not surprised to hear James Ashby on

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<v Speaker 12>the side of billionaire Illin Mask, but it is disappointing

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<v Speaker 12>because there's some pretty wacky views out there on the internet.

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<v Speaker 12>This bill is pretty reasonable. It's calling for things that

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<v Speaker 12>are demonstrably false. You've really got to be able to

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<v Speaker 12>prove beyond a shadow of doubt that this information is

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<v Speaker 12>false and in addition that the information could reasonably cause harm.

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<v Speaker 13>What we don't want is kind of.

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<v Speaker 12>Deep fake videos of you, Paul, you know, getting up

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<v Speaker 12>and saying things that you don't believe, coming onto the internet,

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<v Speaker 12>demonstrably fake and dangerous, could cause harm, could cause people

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:50.719
<v Speaker 12>to think that you think all sorts of incredibly good

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<v Speaker 12>left wing things right, and that that be able to

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<v Speaker 12>be sort of allowed because it's either permitted or the

0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:01.239
<v Speaker 12>punishment is a slap on the is we cannot live

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<v Speaker 12>in a democratic world. Where As Stephen Jones rightly says,

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<v Speaker 12>we're allowing criminals to put false different you know, false

0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:11.880
<v Speaker 12>disinformation that can cause harm onto the internet, and we

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 12>all say, oh, that's okay, that's not okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be about be being used to get

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:20.719
<v Speaker 1>rid of the content on podcasts and YouTube videos that

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:23.080
<v Speaker 1>they don't like. But we'll all wait and see together,

0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 1>we'll debate it as it goes. Obviously, the Queensland election

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:28.120
<v Speaker 1>often running, so James, I've got to get you nice

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:30.600
<v Speaker 1>and early on this. We've got both sides of politics,

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 1>incredibly expensive policy, but the fifty cent thing's going to

0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:36.160
<v Speaker 1>stick around. But it's the crime stuff that matters the

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:39.319
<v Speaker 1>most to me. It is top three issue. It is

0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:42.360
<v Speaker 1>not number one, but it is top three issue for people.

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:45.960
<v Speaker 1>L ANDP came out today claiming that assault or victims

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<v Speaker 1>of assault had actually increased one hundred and ninety three

0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:51.960
<v Speaker 1>percent since the government came to power. You would no doubt,

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 1>no and agree and people would come up to you

0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:57.480
<v Speaker 1>in the street that crime is one of the tipping

0:37:57.480 --> 0:37:58.360
<v Speaker 1>points of this election.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, sure is.

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<v Speaker 10>We've got a massive problem here in central Queensland with

0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:09.320
<v Speaker 10>domestic violence as well. You know, we're the third highest

0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:14.279
<v Speaker 10>offending area right throughout the whole of Queensland. Livingstonshire is

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<v Speaker 10>the third worst in our state, which is quite sad,

0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:19.560
<v Speaker 10>but you know, we've got to have places to put

0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 10>these people who are serial offenders, whether they be domestic

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<v Speaker 10>violence or assault, and stop giving the perpetrators the slap

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 10>on the wrist and letting them out. I'm sorry. We

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 10>talk about human rights all the time and the person

0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:41.320
<v Speaker 10>who's committed the offense can't spend too much time in prison. Sorry,

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:43.839
<v Speaker 10>what about the human rights of those poor victims out

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:47.920
<v Speaker 10>there who are left languishing, often because they can't afford

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<v Speaker 10>to get over the nightmares I've been broken into and

0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:55.440
<v Speaker 10>having their cars style and sometimes at knife point, and

0:38:55.920 --> 0:39:00.400
<v Speaker 10>these things have monumental impacts on people. We've got to

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<v Speaker 10>start looking after the people who have been offended against

0:39:04.880 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 10>and start locking up these offenders. If you've only got

0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:09.879
<v Speaker 10>three hundred and six detention center beds in this state,

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:13.359
<v Speaker 10>Paul tough luck trying to lock them up for too long,

0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:16.560
<v Speaker 10>because that's why they get a free ticket. They go

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:18.239
<v Speaker 10>in for a couple of weeks and then they're let go,

0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:21.360
<v Speaker 10>so it's really no deterrent for them. We've got to

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<v Speaker 10>build more detention center beds, and we've actually got to

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 10>make them a punishment, not a holiday camp. So we've

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:29.399
<v Speaker 10>got to get tough on a few fronts there if

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<v Speaker 10>we're going to deal with the crime that seems to

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<v Speaker 10>continue to escalate in this state.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, give me the bumper stickers. So people want

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:38.120
<v Speaker 1>to read more about what you want to do in Keppel,

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:40.960
<v Speaker 1>but equally important, what one nation wants to do across

0:39:40.960 --> 0:39:43.600
<v Speaker 1>the whole state. What's the website, what's the socials?

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<v Speaker 10>People can simply go to James Ashby dot com dot

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<v Speaker 10>au or go to Queensland dot one Nation dot org

0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:55.160
<v Speaker 10>dot au and every policy. Unlike the other major parties,

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:57.520
<v Speaker 10>they haven't even put their policies online. We've put our

0:39:57.600 --> 0:40:01.239
<v Speaker 10>full suite of policies online for people to re scrutinize,

0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:02.759
<v Speaker 10>do what they like. They can give me a call

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<v Speaker 10>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Good Man, good man, All right, Well, I won't give

0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the number out on it, but I presumably there's a

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:10.719
<v Speaker 1>way to get it legitimately through one Nation. All right.

0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Clover Moore gets another term in the City of Sydney.

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<v Speaker 1>Disappointing because more of the same is not good anywhere

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:21.239
<v Speaker 1>after that length of time. We've spoken about many times

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:24.520
<v Speaker 1>why she's not a great Lord Mayor of Sydney. But

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<v Speaker 1>as you start to look back at your time on

0:40:27.200 --> 0:40:29.799
<v Speaker 1>that particular local council, what do you want to say

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<v Speaker 1>about the more things change, the more things stay the same.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, look, I had the privilege of serving on council

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<v Speaker 12>for twelve years. It was greatest job of my life

0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:41.880
<v Speaker 12>and I'm so honored to have done it. Congratulations to

0:40:41.920 --> 0:40:44.880
<v Speaker 12>Clovermore who did win with a primary of about thirty

0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:49.480
<v Speaker 12>seven percent. It's her sixth term in office. That is

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 12>a remarkable term. But I think it will be interesting

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<v Speaker 12>given that today she's gotten up and announced that she

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<v Speaker 12>doesn't want to run for another term, and so really,

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<v Speaker 12>will it be sort of four years of a job

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<v Speaker 12>interview for her successor or will it be four years

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<v Speaker 12>of governing, which is of course what Sydney needs.

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<v Speaker 13>I think what was really unanimous.

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<v Speaker 12>In the lead up to the City of Sydney elections

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<v Speaker 12>was that there are some major cracks starting to emerge

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<v Speaker 12>in the greatest city in the world, and that is

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<v Speaker 12>Sydney Oxford Street.

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<v Speaker 13>You know Sydney's nightlife.

0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 12>It's so hard to get dinner after ten o'clock at night.

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<v Speaker 13>You know, Paul, you and I have discussed this endlessly.

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<v Speaker 12>There's got to be more fun and we've got to

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<v Speaker 12>bring back these incredibly significant, major strips of fun that

0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:35.960
<v Speaker 12>used to be around in Sydney and used to be

0:41:36.040 --> 0:41:41.360
<v Speaker 12>so thriving in the past. The homeless situation and affordable

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<v Speaker 12>housing was also another.

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<v Speaker 13>Significant call out.

0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:47.680
<v Speaker 12>The City of Sydney has nearly eight hundred million dollars

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<v Speaker 12>in cash in the bank, could be investing so much

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<v Speaker 12>more to support those sleeping rafts, support more affordable housing

0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:57.799
<v Speaker 12>and the Prime Minister of Australia, of course, grew up

0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:02.280
<v Speaker 12>in a council owned housing property in the City of Sydney,

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<v Speaker 12>and yet the Lord Mayor continues to reject this as

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<v Speaker 12>a priority. She was elected on thirty seven percent.

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<v Speaker 13>I do think. I know we're not yet at bold predictions, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Will prediction will continue for the.

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<v Speaker 12>Next couple of weeks. I do think she will lose

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<v Speaker 12>her majority. I do think given the preferences and how

0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:26.760
<v Speaker 12>they'll flow this time, it's quite different from last election.

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<v Speaker 12>I do think she'll lose a majority. She'll have to

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<v Speaker 12>negotiate with somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>James, your bold prediction.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh, people are going to get bombarded with political ads

0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:37.920
<v Speaker 10>here in Queensland.

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<v Speaker 8>I feel very sorry for you.

0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:41.480
<v Speaker 10>I'm going to keep them to a minimum because I

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:44.960
<v Speaker 10>don't have a huge budget, but I'm sorry. The ads

0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:47.480
<v Speaker 10>are going to be really relentless from this point forward.

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:49.359
<v Speaker 1>Just do one cartoon and text to do as many

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:51.640
<v Speaker 1>as you can. Thank you mate, do appreciate it. Thank

0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:54.040
<v Speaker 1>you guys. We'll see you again next week. Hey, our

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:57.200
<v Speaker 1>town in grand final week, in coming to Victoria. Tell

0:42:57.200 --> 0:43:05.759
<v Speaker 1>you exactly where next. No better place in Australia to

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:08.360
<v Speaker 1>be at the end of September than Melbourne for Grand

0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Final week. Fingers cross the team you'd like to get

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:13.400
<v Speaker 1>there gets there. Minor is still alive thankfully. If you

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:15.360
<v Speaker 1>would like to join us day after the Grand Final

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:17.759
<v Speaker 1>in spring VA in Melbourne, that's what we'll be for

0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:19.319
<v Speaker 1>the next outown. If you'd like to send me an email,

0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.200
<v Speaker 1>please do so. Fill the joint now, all right, don't

0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:24.000
<v Speaker 1>let the word get out for the lefties only ends,

0:43:24.120 --> 0:43:26.560
<v Speaker 1>have any anything, No fill the job without people. Okay,

0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:29.160
<v Speaker 1>outdound it's gonews dot com dot you. Outsound, it's Kye

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:32.080
<v Speaker 1>News dot com dot you. Now you know that I

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:35.839
<v Speaker 1>always talk about what's going on inside here, what's going

0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:37.920
<v Speaker 1>on in here, about how important it is to have

0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:40.520
<v Speaker 1>just a legitimate open honors, no frown mouth, just a

0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:43.200
<v Speaker 1>normal chat about what's going on. And for an awful

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:45.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of people, they get really dark and really lonely,

0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:50.759
<v Speaker 1>and often our conversation is about okay, those moments. But

0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:54.000
<v Speaker 1>there is a fabulous resource for all of us who

0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:57.760
<v Speaker 1>would like to know about the path up and out.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is exactly what my dear friend John brogged

0:43:59.920 --> 0:44:02.080
<v Speaker 1>In has done because not only his own journey, but

0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:04.600
<v Speaker 1>plenty high profile Australians he's put together and had a

0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:06.800
<v Speaker 1>chat to them in a thing called Profiles of Hope.

0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:08.640
<v Speaker 1>All right, I make sure I keep it behind me

0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:10.480
<v Speaker 1>each and every night, so you'll see it. I'll tell

0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:11.879
<v Speaker 1>you how to buy it in a moment or two's time.

0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:14.280
<v Speaker 1>But this is an excellent book which has got everyone

0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:17.680
<v Speaker 1>from James Packer, Ian Thorpe, Preston Campbell, you name it

0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:20.759
<v Speaker 1>talking about their journey back. And I please to say

0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:21.879
<v Speaker 1>the great man's in the man cave.

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<v Speaker 8>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Congratulations, I love to see really good because I was

0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:28.960
<v Speaker 1>thinking about this today very specifically that I did not

0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:32.240
<v Speaker 1>want the froan mouth conversation right, because so often once

0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the S word is mentor and all the rest of it, it's.

0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 8>Like a wet blanket, isn't it. Yeah, just brings everything down.

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:43.680
<v Speaker 8>And that's respectful, that's appropriate. But we forget to tell

0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:47.719
<v Speaker 8>people is the way through correct And look, we've had

0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:50.239
<v Speaker 8>an enlightenment in the last twenty years. You know, you

0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:51.839
<v Speaker 8>and I are just old enough to remember the last

0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:54.200
<v Speaker 8>twenty years. But my point is, you know, as a

0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:57.399
<v Speaker 8>journey this was so different how you talked about mental health,

0:44:57.440 --> 0:45:00.000
<v Speaker 8>so was like everything twenty thirty years ago, you wouldn't

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:03.920
<v Speaker 8>talk about suicide at all on the show and mental health,

0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:10.279
<v Speaker 8>you know, anxiety depression began to get talked about in

0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:12.759
<v Speaker 8>the right way, and we talk about it really well now,

0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:16.160
<v Speaker 8>and we hear the stories of footy stars and other people,

0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:19.200
<v Speaker 8>you know, sports people who come back and learn to

0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:22.400
<v Speaker 8>live with that, but we don't hear the stories of

0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:25.080
<v Speaker 8>how people get through suicide. And of course you can't.

0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:27.919
<v Speaker 8>I mean, it's self evident. You can't interview somebody who

0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:30.920
<v Speaker 8>took their own life. We'd love to know those journeys,

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:33.880
<v Speaker 8>but we can't. So what we've got in the book

0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:37.520
<v Speaker 8>is fifteen stories of people who live with suicidality who

0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:39.759
<v Speaker 8>made a plan to kill themselves or in fact, have

0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:43.040
<v Speaker 8>I tried to take their own life and survived. And

0:45:43.800 --> 0:45:47.200
<v Speaker 8>we have to give the message after the heavy blanket

0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:49.360
<v Speaker 8>that falls out of the discussion about how can you

0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:52.640
<v Speaker 8>get through this, because at the beginning and the end

0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:54.279
<v Speaker 8>of the day, we want people to be alive and

0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:57.799
<v Speaker 8>that's not a value judgment. And Pauly, we want to

0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:01.120
<v Speaker 8>normalize missal illness. So there's nothing wrong. You've got a

0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:03.120
<v Speaker 8>problem with your kidney, you've got a problem with your brain.

0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:05.600
<v Speaker 8>There's nothing wrong. We actually don't want to normalize suicide

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:07.600
<v Speaker 8>because we want people to get through it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And what I love here is and again you

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<v Speaker 1>know there's an angle in anywhere in this book, right.

0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:16.120
<v Speaker 1>This is why dare I say one for you one

0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:19.600
<v Speaker 1>for one to give away? Because the stories are from

0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:23.719
<v Speaker 1>business people, to footy players, to you know, you name it, right,

0:46:23.719 --> 0:46:27.560
<v Speaker 1>so there's a way into this conversation. So obviously the

0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:29.920
<v Speaker 1>James Packert story well known, Yes, out and about I

0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:32.440
<v Speaker 1>think that was so vitally important. Good to see people

0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:35.640
<v Speaker 1>like Ian Thorpe. Was there something that they all had

0:46:35.640 --> 0:46:38.680
<v Speaker 1>in common? At the end of the conversation with you, well,

0:46:38.760 --> 0:46:39.240
<v Speaker 1>not all.

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<v Speaker 8>Of them, but for many of them, I asked this

0:46:42.360 --> 0:46:45.440
<v Speaker 8>interesting question, did you have to get to this point

0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:47.400
<v Speaker 8>in order to come back again? Did you actually have

0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:51.040
<v Speaker 8>to get to the point of suicide to bounce back again?

0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:55.520
<v Speaker 8>Jackie Lamby says yes straight away. Nick Sherry, the former

0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:57.880
<v Speaker 8>Laby minister, says yes, but I wish I didn't have to.

0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 8>And the young Blake Matthew Carajuana in the wheelchair, who's

0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:05.560
<v Speaker 8>an inspiration of inspirations in this book, he says, yes

0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:08.640
<v Speaker 8>as well, so for many people. And I guess that's

0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:10.520
<v Speaker 8>my story as well. You know, I knew something was

0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:12.799
<v Speaker 8>going to go wrong and I probably had to get

0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:16.200
<v Speaker 8>there to turn it around. There's a great farmer Peter Maloney. Great, yeah,

0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:19.000
<v Speaker 8>you love the bush, this great farmer mate. Can I

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:20.560
<v Speaker 8>come and see you? He said, oh, I'll come and

0:47:20.560 --> 0:47:23.120
<v Speaker 8>see you. I said where? He said, I just ate

0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:27.479
<v Speaker 8>our strive from to one. No, just around the corner

0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:30.960
<v Speaker 8>and loved it. Yeah. Yeah, And he's changed his life

0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:33.480
<v Speaker 8>now and he's out talking all these other farmers and

0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:38.080
<v Speaker 8>he's extraordinary. But he's changed his life to two meditations

0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:39.680
<v Speaker 8>every day in a three minute ice bath.

0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:42.000
<v Speaker 8>And I said, what do you do to you get

0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:44.759
<v Speaker 8>in the bath? He said, it's an old deep free

0:47:44.880 --> 0:47:47.160
<v Speaker 8>It's a fantastic I love it. But people who changed

0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:50.080
<v Speaker 8>their lives forever, and you know, some of them do

0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:53.640
<v Speaker 8>extraordinary things. And to be honest, some of the stories,

0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:56.440
<v Speaker 8>they're just still here. Of course. You know, they're still fighting,

0:47:56.480 --> 0:47:59.120
<v Speaker 8>they're still battling. That's probably partly James's story. And he'd

0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:01.839
<v Speaker 8>say that himself, that he is still you know, he's

0:48:01.880 --> 0:48:04.919
<v Speaker 8>not perfect. He's still battling through buddies here and that's

0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:07.200
<v Speaker 8>what we want. So yeah, there's that thing that did

0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:10.080
<v Speaker 8>I have to get this low to get out of

0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:11.839
<v Speaker 8>it and to get high back again, And I think

0:48:11.880 --> 0:48:12.600
<v Speaker 8>that's it as well.

0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:16.040
<v Speaker 1>So obviously a significant connection that you have to Lifeline.

0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Tell us about the books connection.

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<v Speaker 8>So all of the royalties from the book will go

0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:24.040
<v Speaker 8>to Lifeline as a donation. I don't make any bucks

0:48:24.040 --> 0:48:26.600
<v Speaker 8>out of it. It all goes to Lifeline. But there are

0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:30.680
<v Speaker 8>great that's because Lifeline, Paul, We've talked about Lifelin how

0:48:30.719 --> 0:48:34.640
<v Speaker 8>many times. The biggest day in Lifeline's history was the

0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:38.600
<v Speaker 8>day after the stabbings at Bondi four thousand, three hundred

0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:43.000
<v Speaker 8>plus day last week four thousand, three hundred, four thousand

0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:45.560
<v Speaker 8>and three. Now, as you and I know, there's two sides.

0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:47.640
<v Speaker 8>One is there's a lot of people in crisis and

0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:50.680
<v Speaker 8>stress and risk of suicide, but thank god they're calling.

0:48:51.360 --> 0:48:55.560
<v Speaker 8>And during COVID, Paul, when the calls went through the earth,

0:48:56.400 --> 0:49:00.479
<v Speaker 8>the best call and it's your age group, was Bloke

0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:02.839
<v Speaker 8>ring In saying, not only is this the first time

0:49:02.880 --> 0:49:05.400
<v Speaker 8>I've called Lifeline. I never thought I'd need a Lifeline

0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:07.879
<v Speaker 8>and that was a big tick for me. Because that's

0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:10.120
<v Speaker 8>what we've been saying for sixty years.

0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:11.520
<v Speaker 1>And you've got the word out. Seriously, this is a

0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:16.640
<v Speaker 1>beautiful book, profiles in hope, excellent conversations and all I

0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:19.279
<v Speaker 1>think were possible because of this great man. I love you, John,

0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:22.080
<v Speaker 1>I love your journey every day. You're a beautiful friend.

0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:24.120
<v Speaker 1>Hit the book. We'll see you tomorrow night. Here's the

0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Royal Report on sky News.