Speaker 1: On the Sky Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: Hello friends, nice to be back in the MANK. Thank
Speaker 2: you so much to James McPherson and to Dneta de Giorgio.
Speaker 2: One of those days was planned, one of those days
Speaker 2: off was not. So if I look slightly sweatier then
Speaker 2: I normally would be, it is because whatever's going on inside,
Speaker 2: my internal fighting system is doing its best. But my
Speaker 2: belief is as long as you don't make anyone else
Speaker 2: cook around, you turn up and do the work. So
Speaker 2: that's what we're doing tonight. Now good news tomorrow probably
Speaker 2: for those of us that are trying to pay off
Speaker 2: a home loan because we borrow too much because that
Speaker 2: house was just so much more beautiful than the one
Speaker 2: that we were already in. Well, this is something that
Speaker 2: about thirty percent of Australians knows something. About thirty percent
Speaker 2: of Australia is paying off the house they're living in,
Speaker 2: thirty percent is paying off a sorry is renting, and
Speaker 2: another thirty percent of already paid off their home. So tomorrow,
Speaker 2: the expectation is that when the Reserve Bank meets again,
Speaker 2: they're going to cut rates.
Speaker 3: Markets today is still pricing in three interest rate cuts
Speaker 3: this year tomorrow.
Speaker 1: That's the first I would.
Speaker 4: Say that, you know, all bets are probably on rate
Speaker 4: cut tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I think the RBA will delive one tomorrow. There Reserve
Speaker 2: Bank's Monetary Policy Committee, it meets this week and it
Speaker 2: looks like there we are ratecut.
Speaker 5: All of the big four banks are expecting the Reserve
Speaker 5: Bank to cut the official rate tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Now, the reality is that in all of the wreckage
Speaker 2: of the federal election, there is one thing that was
Speaker 2: absolutely clear that third of Australia that was paying off
Speaker 2: its mortgage was under maximum stress. That it had thirteen
Speaker 2: interest rates since the start of things back in May
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two. February it ever so slightly dropped,
Speaker 2: but the financial pain still remains absolutely huge. You know that,
Speaker 2: and I know that. And to give you an illustration
Speaker 2: of this being probably the most significant group that made
Speaker 2: its movement and change of mind during the election. Before
Speaker 2: the rate cut, the Liberal Party was leading, according to
Speaker 2: red Bridge with those whom were paying off their homes
Speaker 2: fifty one to forty nine. After the rate cut in February,
Speaker 2: it became fifty to fifty after the panic around the
Speaker 2: Trump tariffs, which of course resulted in a stock market
Speaker 2: fall that has now been completely erased. In fact, the
Speaker 2: market is higher than when it started to fall. But
Speaker 2: don't tell anyone. By then it was too late because
Speaker 2: the Labor Party had taken a lead fifty three forty
Speaker 2: seven and eventually fifty five forty five with people who
Speaker 2: were paying off their homes and debt. Was a point
Speaker 2: that I was trying to make to you last week
Speaker 2: when we got interrupted by live events. So I want
Speaker 2: to continue on with that point about how debt does
Speaker 2: and doesn't play a role in modern Australian politics. Now,
Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers, as we know, made a lot of debt
Speaker 2: when he was the Shadow Treasurer, a trillion dollars of
Speaker 2: liberal debt, a trition dollars of liberal debt. But you
Speaker 2: know now that this year Australia racks up a trillion
Speaker 2: dollars of debt under the Labor Party. It then becomes
Speaker 2: almost one point one one point one, then it becomes
Speaker 2: one point two trillion dollars in and around the time
Speaker 2: of the next federal election. And for those of us
Speaker 2: who know what the consequences of debt is for a country,
Speaker 2: look at countries like Greece, look at a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of other ones around the world. We know that eventually
Speaker 2: when it comes knocking, there's going to be problems. In fact,
Speaker 2: tomorrow will also be an interesting economic document that will
Speaker 2: be the Victorian budget. Is so they have operated under
Speaker 2: this modern labor idea of modern monetary thinking, which essentially
Speaker 2: means that governments can back up as much debt as
Speaker 2: possible because it's good debt. Now, of course, the good
Speaker 2: debt would normally be spent on things like infrastructure, but
Speaker 2: increasingly the Australian federal budget, in fact, almost forty percent
Speaker 2: of the Australian federal budget is paying off welfare. We
Speaker 2: also know that many, if not most, of the major
Speaker 2: promises that were made by the government at the last election,
Speaker 2: we're all going to in increase that amount of debt
Speaker 2: in Victoria. They've played this politics for a long time
Speaker 2: and it has worked electorally for them for a long time.
Speaker 2: But the results are now going to be the public
Speaker 2: servants are going to get the chop tomorrow. There will
Speaker 2: probably be a whole series of tax increases and we'll
Speaker 2: see how this looks like on the other side. Because
Speaker 2: one thing that is absolute about this Labor Party that
Speaker 2: has been handsomely re elected in Canberra is that they
Speaker 2: are going to follow the triangle of dependence. This is
Speaker 2: where you either work for the government, so any suggestion
Speaker 2: on cutting back on public servants is enough to scare
Speaker 2: a significant part of the population. You are reliant on
Speaker 2: the government for a handout, and therefore any change to
Speaker 2: the amount of handouts somehow can be written up as
Speaker 2: a threat to your handout. Or if you're in private business,
Speaker 2: then the biggest customer to your private business is the government.
Speaker 2: Hence why in Victoria we have a scenario where essentially,
Speaker 2: if you're in private business, you're in small business. You're
Speaker 2: surplus to the needs of the permanent state, that is
Speaker 2: dependence on the state that has been created for the
Speaker 2: best part of thirty years bar one term, for the
Speaker 2: best part of thirty years in Victoria. We'll see whether
Speaker 2: there is a price to be paid or whether people
Speaker 2: will continue going down this road where we know where
Speaker 2: it's all going to end up. But the reality about
Speaker 2: debt and Australian politics is that perhaps it is a
Speaker 2: little too much to assume that the average voter is
Speaker 2: going to vote on the national finances when they are
Speaker 2: all so deeply in debt themselves. Let me show you
Speaker 2: this graph here from Macro Business. It shows you here
Speaker 2: about the number of Australians and the percentage of the
Speaker 2: income in terms of their household debt now in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four, it's the best part of two hundred percent
Speaker 2: of the amount of money that's going to come into
Speaker 2: the household is how much you have to spend when
Speaker 2: it comes to your debts, be everything from the house
Speaker 2: that you live in to the car that you're driving,
Speaker 2: perhaps the second property. The same when it comes to
Speaker 2: disposable income. That the debt for people there is at
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty percent of the money that is
Speaker 2: coming in. And when you have a look at the
Speaker 2: percentage of wages that are required to pay off your mortgage. Again,
Speaker 2: a group that I had some faith in, but they
Speaker 2: ended up having faith in the current government rather than
Speaker 2: changing the government. After those thirteen interest rate rises more
Speaker 2: than fifty percent. Fifty percent of every paycheck that comes
Speaker 2: into a third of the country that is paying off
Speaker 2: its mortgage goes on paying the mortgage. Let's compare this
Speaker 2: to say, ten years ago when it was about thirty
Speaker 2: five percent. It's now half so in many ways, when
Speaker 2: the federal government knows that we as individuals borrow as
Speaker 2: much as we possibly can to the absolute hilt, and
Speaker 2: then sometimes we borrow against what we are already borrowing
Speaker 2: to borrow more to get more stuff, then there's no
Speaker 2: expectation that when the federal government is putting together its
Speaker 2: own finances, the Australians demand that the federal government is
Speaker 2: more well behaved than we are. But make no mistake,
Speaker 2: the federal government and the federal budget is in a
Speaker 2: world of pain. It is in what we call a
Speaker 2: structural deficit because of the decisions that have been made
Speaker 2: by this government to increase its spending and despite the
Speaker 2: huge increases in population that we will get between now
Speaker 2: and when it will be about twenty sixty and it'll
Speaker 2: be forty million people living in the country. This is
Speaker 2: how many budget deficits the treasurer thinks we are going
Speaker 2: to produce one every single year for the next forty years.
Speaker 2: You add one deficit on top of another, on top
Speaker 2: of another, on top of another on top of another.
Speaker 2: Before we even go into this red rectangle of debt.
Speaker 2: It's one point to trillion dollars that we owe if
Speaker 2: all of this becomes true over the next forty years,
Speaker 2: that number will end up at two trillion dollars in debt.
Speaker 2: This is despite the fact that the tax base will
Speaker 2: be growing because they're going to keep adding more people.
Speaker 2: Because the Labour Party was able to successfully weaponize any
Speaker 2: conversation about migration as being something about every person who
Speaker 2: has emigrated to Australia, it's not true. It wasn't true
Speaker 2: when the arguments were being made during the election, and
Speaker 2: it won't be true when the arguments are being made
Speaker 2: between now and the next election. Because despite the fact
Speaker 2: that austraight is population according to the Bureau of Statistics,
Speaker 2: and they have three models here that show us high immigration,
Speaker 2: where basically the post COVID years keep running and then
Speaker 2: we end up with a population that is the best
Speaker 2: part of what more than forty five million people, or
Speaker 2: maybe it's kind of where they hope it's going to
Speaker 2: be in the next little while, and it ends up
Speaker 2: being thirty nine million people, or for some reason they're
Speaker 2: able to haver the number of people that are currently
Speaker 2: coming in and it ends up being thirty four million people.
Speaker 2: By the twenty seventies, the federal government will still be
Speaker 2: running a deficit. The population now is at twenty seven
Speaker 2: Even if it was at forty five million people, the
Speaker 2: government would still be running a budget deficit. This matters.
Speaker 2: There will be a reckoning. I don't want there to
Speaker 2: be a reckoning. I don't want there to be that
Speaker 2: bad day. But modern politicians of the left believe that
Speaker 2: they can just keep borrowing because as long as they
Speaker 2: have something to announce or something to give away at
Speaker 2: an election, we will keep re electing the same people
Speaker 2: who are doing fundamental damage to the Australian economy. Voters
Speaker 2: sent a very clear message at the election that they
Speaker 2: just don't care. And maybe that is because even the
Speaker 2: very people who have paid tens of thousands of dollars
Speaker 2: more on their mortgage in the first three years of
Speaker 2: the Labor government and they still believed that they were
Speaker 2: the best people to run the economy for the next
Speaker 2: three years. Well, the reality is that we will get
Speaker 2: more of the same. And while interest rates will now
Speaker 2: start to trickle down, and I will cheer down every
Speaker 2: single one of these As a person who is trying
Speaker 2: to pay off a mortgage that yes, is too big,
Speaker 2: even when you have a dream job like this, in
Speaker 2: a beautiful house that I want to have for my
Speaker 2: wife and kids. The reality is that the story of
Speaker 2: Australia will continue to be a lot of pain for
Speaker 2: a lot of people. When that ever turns into a
Speaker 2: political problem for politicians is when we will start to
Speaker 2: learn our lesson. But till then the lesson is going
Speaker 2: to need to be learnt and it's going to hurt
Speaker 2: a lot of people. And after the Prime Minister's thumping
Speaker 2: win a couple of weeks ago, the people who brought
Speaker 2: him fifty percent of the Labor Party, the union movement, well,
Speaker 2: it is now starting to show its muscle. It is
Speaker 2: now starting to demand in return that everything goes their way.
Speaker 2: The Transport Workers' Union today are threatening to shut down
Speaker 2: Australian transport. This would have been nice to know a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks before an election, but of course we
Speaker 2: were focused on well anything but the actual future of
Speaker 2: the country for the next three years. Instead, we were
Speaker 2: having the personality games today. Companies being targeted by the
Speaker 2: union include Quantus, Aldi, Amazon and a bunch of other
Speaker 2: logistics companies, as well as lin Fox, Toll, Virgin Australia, Borrel,
Speaker 2: some freighters, as well as the garbage collector's cleanway. According
Speaker 2: to one of the union bosses in the papers this
Speaker 2: morning and online tonight, we are all celebrating labour stunning reelection,
Speaker 2: but we must also seize the moment. He claims that
Speaker 2: voters had rejected divisive tactics and endorsed a vision of
Speaker 2: higher wages, secure jobs and a central, very legitimate role
Speaker 2: for unions in the Australian economy. This is why Label
Speaker 2: was rewarded with a decisive mandate. Interestingly, though it's not
Speaker 2: quite true. You see Australians when it comes to union membership,
Speaker 2: it's not massive. In fact, it is less than ten percent.
Speaker 2: In fact, the number is even lower than where it
Speaker 2: was ten years ago. There are just seven hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty six thousand people who work in Australia who are
Speaker 2: a member of a union if they work for a
Speaker 2: private company. For those that are in the public sector, surprise, surprise,
Speaker 2: that number is a whole lot higher. But put simply well,
Speaker 2: thirty three percent of the government and the people who
Speaker 2: work for the government are part of a union. Just
Speaker 2: seven point nine percent, which is down four point two percent,
Speaker 2: are members of a union. So the Transport Workers' Union
Speaker 2: is absolutely correct to know that it's masters in the
Speaker 2: political party or dare I say the dog and it's
Speaker 2: the tail that wags whatever. It's one of the same
Speaker 2: thing that when the Labor Party has an opportunity to regulate,
Speaker 2: they will regulate in favor of you U unions. When
Speaker 2: Australians have the choice about whether they want to join
Speaker 2: one or not. Ninety two percent of people aren't part
Speaker 2: of a union, unless, of course, you work for the government.
Speaker 2: If you work for the government, then a third of
Speaker 2: all people are part of a union. Hence why I
Speaker 2: was talking before about that triangle of dependency. That is
Speaker 2: the reality of what we face. Good to know that
Speaker 2: these unions had a plan to potentially shut down Australia
Speaker 2: to get better deals out of these big companies. But
Speaker 2: of course they wouldn't dare tell us that during an election,
Speaker 2: would they, because then the truth of their demand on
Speaker 2: the government, Well, of course we'd be able to stop it.
Speaker 2: But now the election is clear, the result is absolute,
Speaker 2: and now the receipts are due, and the Transport Workers'
Speaker 2: Union know that the government will back them to the
Speaker 2: Hillton and if they don't, and if the companies don't
Speaker 2: give in to their threats. Then they could bring Australia
Speaker 2: to its knees. In the meantime, one thing that I
Speaker 2: do think unions should be fighting for and maybe even
Speaker 2: talking about striking on, is the role of AI in
Speaker 2: some of the more menial tasks in our economy. Reality
Speaker 2: is that there are thousands of jobs for people who
Speaker 2: are apparently low skilled workers. These could be people who
Speaker 2: have plenty of skills from foreign countries but they're not
Speaker 2: recognized in Australia, or they could be young people trying
Speaker 2: to start out earning a little bit of money while
Speaker 2: they are trying to study for their eventual careers. There's
Speaker 2: a trial which is taking place right now in Victoria
Speaker 2: and it is an extension of what many of us
Speaker 2: have in our homes. Although minds on the threats at
Speaker 2: the moment, and because of the interest rates, we'll have
Speaker 2: to wait for a couple of drops before we can
Speaker 2: go and buy one of these new robot cleaners. Well,
Speaker 2: robot cleaners are currently being deployed in some supermarkets. This
Speaker 2: is a job that a human used to do, just
Speaker 2: as a check our check used to be a job
Speaker 2: that a human used to do, but now a computer
Speaker 2: does it. How many things have you seen when even
Speaker 2: a couple of days ago, I was in a car
Speaker 2: park and you expect to see somebody who'd be the
Speaker 2: car park contendent. No, no, no more, no more humans
Speaker 2: involved in that. Would it be interesting to see if
Speaker 2: the shop is union turned around and decided, you know what,
Speaker 2: let's go on strike to make sure that the lowest
Speaker 2: paid workers, the ones who may be entering the workforce
Speaker 2: or just trying to keep food on their table by
Speaker 2: cleaning in a supermarket, will be able to keep their
Speaker 2: job and not have it replaced by a robot. I'd
Speaker 2: love to know if that was what unions were planning
Speaker 2: to do with their new power. But instead it's going
Speaker 2: to be more robots in every other industry. But in
Speaker 2: the Transport Workers Union of course, no robots replacing workers there,
Speaker 2: and rightly so. I don't want to see workers replaced there,
Speaker 2: but a chance of shutting down the country for what
Speaker 2: one union wants, while another one will turn around and
Speaker 2: just simply let automation takeover in the aisles of our
Speaker 2: shopping centers a little sign of things to come. I
Speaker 2: hate any person who would strike a member of their family.
Speaker 2: It's the lowest, most despicable thing that people do. It
Speaker 2: is never to be forgiven, it is never to be excused,
Speaker 2: It is never okay. And I'm pleased to say that
Speaker 2: over six hundred people were arrested over the weekend. Why
Speaker 2: because the news of Olds Police Force decided to go
Speaker 2: and swoop and a whole bunch of issues in and
Speaker 2: around people who had either been accused or previously been
Speaker 2: found guilty of committing domestic violence offenses. More than six
Speaker 2: hundred people have been arrested and thirteen hundred plus charges
Speaker 2: have now been laid during a four day blitz on
Speaker 2: domestic and family violence across New South Wales. In total,
Speaker 2: six hundred and twenty seven people were arrested, two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty seven had outstanding warrants. Police ended up laying
Speaker 2: thirteen hundred charges and carried out twelve hundred bail compliance checks.
Speaker 2: They also conducted twelve nine hundred and twenty six checks
Speaker 2: on apprehendied domestic violence orders, identifying five hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: five breaches. The Police Minister spoke of this important work
Speaker 2: that police have to do.
Speaker 5: Too often they are targeting those offenders that they specifically
Speaker 5: know are those high risk offenders.
Speaker 6: This week, Operation Amarok carried out almost three hundred rads.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine the life of a police officer. And
Speaker 2: this is why I admire the cops of every state
Speaker 2: in every territory while we are pro police on this show,
Speaker 2: because they have to go towards people on what would
Speaker 2: otherwise be the worst day of somebody's life. And if
Speaker 2: you're the victim of this sort of crime, then this
Speaker 2: could be what saves your life. Well under the police
Speaker 2: who maintain a ferocity on this issue. Well done to
Speaker 2: everyone who resources them. And thank you, thank you, thank you,
Speaker 2: thank you. On behalf of people who may will not
Speaker 2: have the voice to be heard. I repeat, anyone who
Speaker 2: does this is a bastard. Meantime, if you need help
Speaker 2: in relation to your situation, I want to make sure
Speaker 2: that you have a telephone number. Write it down one
Speaker 2: hundred seven seven seven three two. This is the domestic
Speaker 2: violence hotline. It is twenty four to seven help and
Speaker 2: Support line. I understand this is difficult. I understand you
Speaker 2: may have to save the number under a different name,
Speaker 2: which in and of itself is terrible. But one hundred,
Speaker 2: respect which is one eight hundred and seven three seven
Speaker 2: seven three two. Now, you know that one of the
Speaker 2: dumbest things that I do when it comes to my
Speaker 2: own health is smoke. It's a dumb and stupid thing
Speaker 2: which will probably end up taking my life. I know that.
Speaker 2: But there are way too many people who do continue
Speaker 2: to do so. But there is one person who is
Speaker 2: absolutely committed to making sure that Australia does not stop smoking,
Speaker 2: and that is the Federal Treasurer, Jim Chalmers. Why because
Speaker 2: the federal budget gets seven b seven billion, seven billion
Speaker 2: dollars out of tobacco taxes. Now, this number, of course
Speaker 2: was increased in the lead up to the last budget
Speaker 2: as they were trying to keep themselves out of a deficit,
Speaker 2: something that they didn't do. But of course they got
Speaker 2: re elected because people didn't care. But the reality is
Speaker 2: that tobacco taxes are a big problem in Australia. I
Speaker 2: don't say that as a person who wants to pay
Speaker 2: less for smoking. I say it because the taxes are
Speaker 2: now so high that we know it's creating a whole
Speaker 2: new class of crime. The federal government is so addicted
Speaker 2: to tobacco taxes that it makes two billion dollars more
Speaker 2: than it does out of the fringe benefits tax, six
Speaker 2: billion dollars more out of luxury car tax, about four
Speaker 2: billion dollars more than out of the taxes on beer.
Speaker 2: You can do the sums on spirits, even the major
Speaker 2: bank levy. All of those are way less than the
Speaker 2: seven billion, seven billion, seven billion dollars that the federal
Speaker 2: government makes out of tobacco taxes. But the problem we
Speaker 2: the system that has been created for a whole collection
Speaker 2: of reasons, is that while the government keeps jacking up
Speaker 2: the tax, the number of people that are smoking is
Speaker 2: not going down by the same rate by which the
Speaker 2: tax keeps going up. Because people have found a way
Speaker 2: around the system. They are smoking illegal tobacco crap from China.
Speaker 2: But it's crap that's very freely available and is very
Speaker 2: cheap compared to legal product. It is sold in tobacconists
Speaker 2: all over the country. And you may well have noticed
Speaker 2: that despite the fact that there's apparently fewer people smoking,
Speaker 2: there are more tobacconists than ever before. I'll give you
Speaker 2: the tip. It's because they're selling the chop chop and
Speaker 2: you don't have to use a special code and a
Speaker 2: special whistle and knock three times. It's very easy to get.
Speaker 2: I remember when we were in Perth recently, there was
Speaker 2: an extraordinary thing when we walked into a convenience store
Speaker 2: and there was literally a queue out the door, and
Speaker 2: I joked, not knowing this was the case, that Jesus
Speaker 2: must be the place where everyone buys their chop chop
Speaker 2: or buys their vapes. Because remember this federal government made
Speaker 2: a decision not to legalize and tax vaping, which would
Speaker 2: have produced millions, potentially billions of dollars for the federal budget.
Speaker 2: It would have regulated the market. No, no, no, let's keep
Speaker 2: it all in the black market. The que out of
Speaker 2: the door was exactly for what I thought it was,
Speaker 2: because in between the chewing gum and the cash register
Speaker 2: there it was an entire sort of selection panel of
Speaker 2: which particular vape did you want to buy? Or which
Speaker 2: version of chop chop did you want. This was happening
Speaker 2: in broad daylight. It was happening all day. It was
Speaker 2: even happening when they were open on Anzac Day. So
Speaker 2: Australians know there is one hell of a way around
Speaker 2: the system, and the people who are selling it know
Speaker 2: no one is going to ever check. I don't understand
Speaker 2: why but it seems that the explosion in illegal tobacco,
Speaker 2: which is also being controlled by international criminal gangs, they
Speaker 2: know that just like selling drugs or anything else, essentially, Okay,
Speaker 2: we might get a little bit caught here, a little
Speaker 2: bit caught there, but it's worth the risk because there's
Speaker 2: money in it. Well, I must say I am always
Speaker 2: a little bit surprised when somebody is a little bit
Speaker 2: late to the party. I've been talking about this for
Speaker 2: probably ten years that if you keep putishing the taxes
Speaker 2: so high and there is an alternative that people will
Speaker 2: go and buy and it's freely available, they will go
Speaker 2: and do it. Well, our betters at the Channel nine
Speaker 2: newspapers have started reporting on this today. They've even in
Speaker 2: their editorial thundered that the tobacco tax is a disaster
Speaker 2: and it's playing it out on our streets. Well, all
Speaker 2: I can say is, just like John McLean said, welcome a.
Speaker 7: Party, how.
Speaker 2: Seriously? Now, the same way they all use their megaphone
Speaker 2: to bang bang bang, bang bang about just to stage
Speaker 2: three taxes or they try bang bang bang when it
Speaker 2: comes to property taxes.
Speaker 1: What about this?
Speaker 2: Now? I have no doubt at the next federal budget
Speaker 2: they'll probably turn around and magically say, because they want
Speaker 2: to fiddle the books and make the books look better,
Speaker 2: that we're going to make eight billion dollars out of
Speaker 2: it this year. But the reality is they won't because,
Speaker 2: just like last year, they take less, just like the
Speaker 2: year before, they take less. Why because people aren't paying
Speaker 2: the taxes, because they're paying for the illegal stuff.
Speaker 1: Where is the.
Speaker 2: Enforcement on this stuff or where is the recognition that
Speaker 2: for those of us that are stupid enough to keep
Speaker 2: buying the legal product, the legal product ends up costing
Speaker 2: way through the roof the illegal product is of course
Speaker 2: fueling illegal crime. It is ridiculous. Now, another thing I
Speaker 2: want to drive home elections have consequences. Let me speak
Speaker 2: to this here that when elections have consequences, it matters
Speaker 2: because well not just the politicians, but also also the
Speaker 2: decisions they make. Now, one thing that absolutely happened to
Speaker 2: the federal election was that Victoria, which was looking a
Speaker 2: bit dicey for the Labor Party, turned out being you
Speaker 2: bete for the Labor Party. In fact, in basically every
Speaker 2: seat they got a swing towards them. Well, now the
Speaker 2: hammer comes down to those people in Victoria who have
Speaker 2: been understandably complaining, protesting and understandably righteous with indignation about
Speaker 2: the rollout of renewables. Guess what's coming more of them.
Speaker 2: In fact, apparently seven percent of the land mass of
Speaker 2: Victoria is about to be taken over by the things
Speaker 2: that make the cities feel a whole lot more comfortable
Speaker 2: as Australia does its bit to cut one percent of
Speaker 2: global emissions. You see there is a very strong protest movement.
Speaker 2: I don't know that in places like Ballarat. They're out
Speaker 2: there and they're saying pee off to Osnett and I'm
Speaker 2: with them. And then there's the people in the Hunter
Speaker 2: Valley who said, oh they're off sure win things terrible.
Speaker 2: And then there's the people in South Coast and you said,
Speaker 2: whilst they've done the same, Well, guess what, Because because
Speaker 2: all of those seats voted labor and had a swing
Speaker 2: towards them, you're going to get more of it, not
Speaker 2: less of it. In fact, an interesting little story which
Speaker 2: seemed to go under the radar. I think it came
Speaker 2: out on Friday hoping that nobody would notice, but well
Speaker 2: under their old sun for actually noticing. Because the maps
Speaker 2: are now starting to come out about where all this
Speaker 2: stuff is going to go and in Labor Loyal Victoria,
Speaker 2: the government agency in charge of planning the state's ambitious
Speaker 2: renewables rollout, has released maps signposting where wind and solar
Speaker 2: is best suited in Victoria in a bid to spur
Speaker 2: more investment. It shows the transmission component of its plan
Speaker 2: has exceeded to cost four point three billion dollars over
Speaker 2: fifteen years, but energy experts say the modeling has an
Speaker 2: accuracy range of up to one hundred percent, meaning it
Speaker 2: could cost eight point six billion dollars. The plan shows
Speaker 2: new lines will be proposed to impact rural communities as
Speaker 2: well as residents on the outskirts Alban's West. All those
Speaker 2: people like the people in and around Ballarat who handsomely
Speaker 2: revoted for the Labor Party, who may will do so
Speaker 2: again at the state election. Guess how you get repaid
Speaker 2: with more of what apparently everyone says they don't want.
Speaker 2: Vic Grid, which plans new high voltage lines and where
Speaker 2: they go, has suggested that some of the areas that
Speaker 2: will be most suitable over the next fifteen years central Highlands,
Speaker 2: central North Gippsland, Northwest southmest Grampians and into the southern
Speaker 2: Malley now I know that people are very pissed off
Speaker 2: about it, and they get very annoyed about it, and
Speaker 2: they protest about it. But then more people in their
Speaker 2: communities turn around and vote for the very people who
Speaker 2: are going to dump more of this upon you. Just
Speaker 2: like with the budget, when it comes to this stuff,
Speaker 2: until the votes start changing, nothing will change when it
Speaker 2: comes to the people who are going to actually have
Speaker 2: to suffer the burden of their part of Australia changing
Speaker 2: for the worst forever. There'll be a state election in
Speaker 2: the next few months in Victoria, a no doubt will
Speaker 2: be completely distracted by ugabooger about the Liberal leader and
Speaker 2: ugaburger about something that someone said one time. Remember this stuff,
Speaker 2: because this is the stuff that apparently people complain about
Speaker 2: all day every day. But then, for some reason, despite
Speaker 2: the fact that more people turn up to the protest
Speaker 2: than last time, the reality is if Labour's vote keeps
Speaker 2: going up, you're going to get more of this stuff meantime,
Speaker 2: Can you save me the handwringing about the changes to
Speaker 2: superannuation Again, there are millions of people who didn't vote
Speaker 2: for this. Two thirds of the country did not vote
Speaker 2: for Labor, but a third of the country gave its preferences,
Speaker 2: which meant two thirds of the country ended up putting
Speaker 2: in a government that is going to increase taxes on superannuation.
Speaker 2: They're going to put these taxes through the Parliament with
Speaker 2: the help of the Greens and the ability to change
Speaker 2: this stuff just like they do with Baco taxes or
Speaker 2: anything else for the next few years. It's going to
Speaker 2: cause a world of pain and I'm so pleased that
Speaker 2: they're so loud today.
Speaker 1: There's also a massive integrity issue here.
Speaker 5: Once the principle of unrealized gains is a feature of
Speaker 5: Australian tax law.
Speaker 7: I think it's a very dangerous.
Speaker 1: Position for the country because we are risk losing more
Speaker 1: investment and new ideas well.
Speaker 4: This tax has been bad from day one, and that's
Speaker 4: why we opposed it from day one and not only
Speaker 4: said that we would oppose it, but repeal it when
Speaker 4: we got into government.
Speaker 6: I love that defined benefit schemes of public servants are
Speaker 6: protected under labor but the family farm looks like you're
Speaker 6: going to be paying tax on unrealized gains on intergenerational assets.
Speaker 8: And it's going to have a huge issue.
Speaker 6: For self managed super funds as well. So we have
Speaker 6: grave concerns.
Speaker 2: Now, I love all those people, gladly have them on
Speaker 2: the show, look forward to in the next three years.
Speaker 2: Where was this in the campaign? And I was mentioned
Speaker 2: in a couple of debates, but where was this front
Speaker 2: and center? Because even the modeling is suggesting that workers,
Speaker 2: the youngest workers now will be the ones most likely
Speaker 2: at the end of their working life to have about
Speaker 2: three million dollars in their superannuation. And of course by
Speaker 2: the time they get there in a few decades time,
Speaker 2: you know that it's going to be two and a
Speaker 2: half minion, it's going to be two point four two
Speaker 2: point one two million dollars. But as long as we
Speaker 2: keep out the people we don't like because social media
Speaker 2: tells us they're bad, this is the reality. It's not
Speaker 2: about soooking, it's not about moaning. It's about saying, hey,
Speaker 2: elections have consequences, and it's not just up to the
Speaker 2: political people who make these arguments. It's up to us
Speaker 2: to continue to make them. It's up to us to
Speaker 2: be able to try to convince our friends and our
Speaker 2: neighbors and our family members. But as I say, when
Speaker 2: it comes to the debt, when it comes to the
Speaker 2: renewables rollout. When it comes to things like this, elections
Speaker 2: have consequences, and by goodness, this one's got some consequences.
Speaker 2: One of the tightest states, one of the tightest seats
Speaker 2: in the election, looks like it is very close to
Speaker 2: being called, and I think there's about forty votes in
Speaker 2: it right now. But it looks like there is about
Speaker 2: to be an extra Teal in the Federal Parliament. Now.
Speaker 2: Some people had or previously suggested that the Liberal Party
Speaker 2: had been able to hold off the Teal. Well, some
Speaker 2: votes have come in from people voting all around the world,
Speaker 2: and guess what. The Teal is now in front by
Speaker 2: the best part of forty votes. That will now be
Speaker 2: an automatic recount. But you know how these things go.
Speaker 2: The potential Teal, I've got to say, who I can't
Speaker 2: stand a lot of her politics. In fact, most of it,
Speaker 2: if not all of it, many of her tactics pretty brutal.
Speaker 2: But she's not out there doing the Zoe Daniels. She's
Speaker 2: just simply saying this. I'm grateful that we live in
Speaker 2: a country the trusted electoral commission that conducts itself with integrity.
Speaker 2: I don't quite think that I get such a look
Speaker 2: at the institution's underpinning our democracy. But seeing the AC
Speaker 2: operate over the past few weeks, I'm glad that we
Speaker 2: live in Australia. We should never take our democracy for granted.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Of course, one of the things about all of this
Speaker 2: is that I've got a double check whether the Liberal
Speaker 2: MP who is now this day's not going to be
Speaker 2: a Liberal MP was voting in the Liberal leadership last week.
Speaker 2: If that's the case, there's going to be some problems
Speaker 2: down the road. All right, quick break back with more
Speaker 2: playing to talk about here on a special night where
Speaker 2: nothing's off the table, but there's no silken just focus,
Speaker 2: always looking forward and we'll try to find a way
Speaker 2: to smile. So that's the way we like to live
Speaker 2: our lives.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 2: Nice to be here. I would hate to think how
Speaker 2: much sweat is going on underneath this jacket, but I'll
Speaker 2: quickly check and retool with some fluid and be back
Speaker 2: in a second. Can I just offer strength and love
Speaker 2: to the new opposition leader, Susan Lee. Her mother Angelo
Speaker 2: did pass away over the weekend. You can imagine the
Speaker 2: absolute rollercoaster of emotions that Susan was going through. When
Speaker 2: it comes to her own political career hitting its zenith
Speaker 2: as the alternative Prime Minister, but then of course being
Speaker 2: brought back down to worth as she did speaking about
Speaker 2: her mum, and she was by her mum's bedside with
Speaker 2: other key members of the family. But I just want
Speaker 2: to say strength and love to Susan, and thank you
Speaker 2: to Angela for everything she's done for the country, and
Speaker 2: of course being Susan's mum, and shout out to everyone
Speaker 2: famous or otherwise who is dealing with something like that,
Speaker 2: because that is what happens to each and every day.
Speaker 2: Yet the world march is on, doesn't it. It does,
Speaker 2: no matter how empty sometimes we feel because of the
Speaker 2: ones that we have lost. But again, strength and love
Speaker 2: to you if you're going through that right now because
Speaker 2: of a family member who is either crooked or has
Speaker 2: left us of recent times. Joining us now two beautiful
Speaker 2: friends of mine who agree on nothing other than Senator
Speaker 2: Matt Canavan and future senator because if she plays her
Speaker 2: cards right, that's the case. And now she's wearing the green,
Speaker 2: but she can freely wear which is none other than
Speaker 2: Linda Scott. Of course labor to her bootstraps, so she
Speaker 2: knows that I'm just twisting the knife. Love to see
Speaker 2: you both. Let's get let's just get straight to the
Speaker 2: elephant in the room here, NET zero and the coalition agreement.
Speaker 2: All right, pretty obvious here that the Nats say, get
Speaker 2: rid of it. Why because we've heard all the arguments
Speaker 2: against knit zero. The Libs say, we'll probably got to
Speaker 2: keep it because things like there's going to be taxes
Speaker 2: that are going to come in from the EU if
Speaker 2: you're not a zero country. We need to move to
Speaker 2: some of the seats of the Labor Party one let alone,
Speaker 2: of course, the scenario in and around some of these
Speaker 2: Teal seats. For her part, Jane Hume said something about it.
Speaker 2: I think on our air today.
Speaker 4: The election has sent us a very clear message what
Speaker 4: it is that they want in their government. Abandoning that
Speaker 4: zero I don't necessarily think is consistent with that. That's
Speaker 4: a discussion for the party room.
Speaker 2: So Matt helped me out. I know where you are,
Speaker 2: I know where your colleagues are, I know where your
Speaker 2: leader is. But you've got to tag up with the
Speaker 2: Liberal Party and we seemingly know where they are. So
Speaker 2: how the hell does this work out?
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I'm not so sure the election
Speaker 1: did send us the message Jane said, there's no choice
Speaker 1: on that zero. Both parties had signed up to it. Indeed,
Speaker 1: the Istrain people have never been given a choice on
Speaker 1: Netzerra was signed up mid term by Scott Morrison. All
Speaker 1: parties have agreed to it, and obviously I've been against
Speaker 1: it from the get go. I think it's been a
Speaker 1: complete disas to Look what's happened since we signed up
Speaker 1: to net zero had runaway inflation, We've lost the industry
Speaker 1: after industry. Today we've just had announced that we might
Speaker 1: lose another smelter in Tasmania, Magnese Magnesi Magnanese smelter down there.
Speaker 1: So look, how much more can we lose here? That's
Speaker 1: why I think we deserve at least have this question
Speaker 1: asked now. In terms of Colagon agreement, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't speak on behalf of the National Party. I
Speaker 1: certainly don't speak on behalf of the Liberal Party Paul,
Speaker 1: So I don't know how it's going to work out.
Speaker 1: But what I would say is I think the lesson
Speaker 1: from the election is that we should seek to fight
Speaker 1: for what we think is best for the country, not
Speaker 1: what we think is best for our party, and too
Speaker 1: much of the conversation since the election seems to be
Speaker 1: centered for me around how do we win seats, how
Speaker 1: do we win these votes? And well, look, yes, obviously
Speaker 1: we need to do that to make a difference for
Speaker 1: our country. But first of all, I think we just
Speaker 1: decide what we think is in the best interests of
Speaker 1: the country and then fight like hell for that. And
Speaker 1: in my view that will also be more politically successful
Speaker 1: as well, because you'll be more convincing and arguing from
Speaker 1: conviction rather than from just a position of convenience.
Speaker 2: Linda, we keep being told that if there is an
Speaker 2: opportunity to argue from a position of arguing the cost
Speaker 2: of things when it comes to power bills, then obviously
Speaker 2: things are better for the coalition. But would you suggest
Speaker 2: what would you think if madd ends up being correct,
Speaker 2: if the National IMP's end up being correct, if many
Speaker 2: of the people who watch this program are correct, and
Speaker 2: net zero was thrown over the thrown over the side
Speaker 2: by the alternative government.
Speaker 5: Well, I think it is astonishing, frankly, that in the
Speaker 5: wake of an election win as historic as Labor has
Speaker 5: just had, that the coalition continues to divide themselves up
Speaker 5: over something like zero. Surely the Australian people have sent
Speaker 5: the strongest possible message that the climate wars should be
Speaker 5: dead and that Australia needs to get on with the
Speaker 5: important job of attracting investment to roll out the infrastructure
Speaker 5: needed to ensure that our economy can be net zero
Speaker 5: in line with the international agreements signed under a coalition
Speaker 5: government and supported by Labor. Surely the Australian public have
Speaker 5: sent that message loudly and clearly. And yet it is
Speaker 5: the case, as we hear from Matt Canavan today, that
Speaker 5: the agreement is under threat because of this policy issue.
Speaker 5: Australians deserve that cleanest energy, and this kind of fighting
Speaker 5: is not going to do the job of attracting investment
Speaker 5: to Australia.
Speaker 1: To deliver it. Matt, the the reason Linda doesn't want
Speaker 1: us to fight the climate wars is because every time
Speaker 1: we do fight the climate wars, we win. Every time.
Speaker 1: Every time that the Liberal and National parties have put
Speaker 1: to the Australian people that we don't think we should
Speaker 1: have as radical climate actions the Labor parties and their
Speaker 1: friends and the Greens want, we win. We won on
Speaker 1: the carbon tax, we won on the Danni. Every time
Speaker 1: we roll over on these types of policies, we end
Speaker 1: up losing before we even have the fight. Because we've
Speaker 1: lost for our country. We haven't been given it a
Speaker 1: chance to have a saying. I supposely to just explain
Speaker 1: to me so slowly, what are we getting out of
Speaker 1: net zero? What have we got today? We've signed up
Speaker 1: three years ago and both parties have signed up to it.
Speaker 1: You've had your bipartisan certainty. What has it delivered for
Speaker 1: the Australian people. We've had runaway power price increases, runaway inflation.
Speaker 1: We've lost our nickel industry, We've lost our plastics industry.
Speaker 1: We've lost our urea industry, which is the most important
Speaker 1: furd lots. So we now cannot produce food in Australia
Speaker 1: for the first time since the early early settlers. We
Speaker 1: have to import our fertilizers from China in the Middle
Speaker 1: East lay gas.
Speaker 3: So what has happened that is a rate leader? The
Speaker 3: prices have gone up massively, inflation has since we signed up.
Speaker 5: You're getting infrastructure to support them with net zero that
Speaker 5: they would not have gotten under a liberal government, and
Speaker 5: they voted for in literally historically record.
Speaker 1: Numbers with infrastructure. I don't know what signal you can.
Speaker 5: Get from the Australian public. They're getting jobs, they're getting
Speaker 5: wind farms, they're getting solar panels, they're getting cheaper energy,
Speaker 5: they're getting electric cars that are cheaper to run.
Speaker 9: They're getting all sorts of.
Speaker 5: Infrastructure that is allowing Australians to have cheaper energy bills.
Speaker 5: They're sending a clear message that they don't.
Speaker 1: Wantle like the Huntings.
Speaker 9: We've had higher powered for records, record labor numbers against
Speaker 9: the liberal national proposition of having nuclear power.
Speaker 1: This is why, this is why Paul don't want to
Speaker 1: find the climate when you push them, when you put
Speaker 1: them on on the on the sticky paper, when you
Speaker 1: put the spot lot, and they've got just they've just
Speaker 1: got vague words that don't mean anything like infrastructure. So
Speaker 1: I just have to Lendo what of the trap people
Speaker 1: getting from it? And she said they're getting a win far.
Speaker 1: I mean, whooped dee do? I mean you've got power
Speaker 1: prices that have doubled in the last decade, that have doubled,
Speaker 1: They've gone up by thirty percent, just while labor's been
Speaker 1: in power the last few years. What the hell is
Speaker 1: a wind farmer, somebody who can't afford their power bill.
Speaker 1: What the hell is a solar farm for somebody there
Speaker 1: has lost their job in an industry. And this is
Speaker 1: why we should fight these wars, because they actually don't
Speaker 1: have There is no clothes on this emperor. There is
Speaker 1: no clothes on the stets of emperor. It is complete nonsense.
Speaker 1: It is complete bunkom, and it should be exposed.
Speaker 2: Gang. You know, I'm up for a fight, but I'm
Speaker 2: also up for paying our bills, which we will do now,
Speaker 2: and we'll be back in a moment or two time
Speaker 2: with the same people agreeing on nothing more in a
Speaker 2: sec here on pul Murray life. Thank you so much watching. Now,
Speaker 2: make sure that you stick with us all the way
Speaker 2: to the end with jiggle aroundsom things. So it's all
Speaker 2: show all the way to the end. Okay, it's not
Speaker 2: going to be sort of a little bit of ads
Speaker 2: before the late debates, so stick with it. It's got
Speaker 2: something big to talk about in a moment or two times,
Speaker 2: So make sure we make the most of all sixty
Speaker 2: minutes that we are on the air and be sitting
Speaker 2: here until the very last minute, and then stick around
Speaker 2: for the show after us, and then after that, and
Speaker 2: after that and after that and after that. Okay, happy
Speaker 2: for fall asleep with the television on. It all works
Speaker 2: for ratings. All right, let's continue in the conversation right
Speaker 2: now with two people who I'm sure we'll be doing
Speaker 2: exactly that. If not, you know, it'll be Scotty as
Speaker 2: Radio by the bed or they'll be catching up tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2: It's none other than Linda Scott and also Matt Canavan Net. Linda,
Speaker 2: I want to talk about one of the inevitable flow
Speaker 2: ons of the past couple of weeks, and it's the
Speaker 2: generation gap. Now. I did a lot of talking about
Speaker 2: this post twenty two where you look at this through
Speaker 2: sort of marketing talk and basically some of the things
Speaker 2: that are values, right, So people that are boomers believe
Speaker 2: passionately in things like matship. Well, matship doesn't even turn
Speaker 2: up in any of the top ten values of millennials
Speaker 2: or jen Z. Now at the moment, we know, yes,
Speaker 2: young people's vote left, but it's a particular change in politics.
Speaker 2: That said, I can show you a group of young
Speaker 2: conservative men who were the absolute antithesis of what we're
Speaker 2: being told is the future of our country. How important
Speaker 2: is it for the Labor Party to make sure that
Speaker 2: you don't just automatically assume the generation gap falls your way,
Speaker 2: and that you actually stay in touch with people who
Speaker 2: aren't brand loyal to anything little oone a political part.
Speaker 5: Look, I think I'm sure the reviews of the election
Speaker 5: campaign will be conducted, and you know, the Liberals and
Speaker 5: Nationals will do their own review. But I think what
Speaker 5: was interesting was that Labor took a clear suite of
Speaker 5: policies to try to actually speak to young people about
Speaker 5: the issues that were clear and important to them, like
Speaker 5: waving hecks, like making sure that there was true action
Speaker 5: on climate change so they had a safer planet to
Speaker 5: live their whole lives on. These kinds of things are
Speaker 5: so important to young people, and as a result, young
Speaker 5: people in Australia swung historically progressive in a way that
Speaker 5: we haven't seen replica hated in other places around the world.
Speaker 5: So I do think Australia is going to be looked
Speaker 5: at really closely by other democracies, and how young people
Speaker 5: voted is different in this election because Labor had a
Speaker 5: really good proposition and a set of policies. They also
Speaker 5: communicated to young people in a way that was different. Obviously,
Speaker 5: there was a lot of media discussion about the role
Speaker 5: of influencers and social media in this election, but I
Speaker 5: certainly know in my loundroom when my teenagers were discussing
Speaker 5: the election, they were seeing completely different advertising to the
Speaker 5: advertising that my husband or my parents were seeing, because
Speaker 5: it was just done in a way that was speaking
Speaker 5: to young people about the issues that mattered to them,
Speaker 5: in the channels that mattered. I was really surprised to
Speaker 5: see the coalition not matching that they didn't have the
Speaker 5: kind of social media campaigns and they didn't have the
Speaker 5: kind of policies to speak to young people, and as
Speaker 5: a result, we saw seats like Dixon where now as
Speaker 5: you've identified Paul, a majority of young people, a majority
Speaker 5: of women swinging historically towards Labor in a way that
Speaker 5: I think court, if I might add, the liberals quite
Speaker 5: off guard. So I do think the role of young
Speaker 5: people will be one of the defining features that will
Speaker 5: be analyzed in the wash up of this election. Labor
Speaker 5: had a good proposition and we spoke to young people
Speaker 5: about the issues that mattered to them in a.
Speaker 2: Way that they listened Conversely, Matt, are young people gone
Speaker 2: or can you reconnect? Can you see?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, look absolutely not. I mean lend them mentioned other countries.
Speaker 1: If you look at other Western countries, young people are
Speaker 1: turning conservative massively. Now, obviously we didn't achieve that at
Speaker 1: this election, but it's happened in the US, happened in Canada,
Speaker 1: and it's happened in the UK with the reform movement
Speaker 1: as well. I'd say, I go back to what I
Speaker 1: was saying before. I suppose my whole thesis at the
Speaker 1: moment is that we need to rediscover our conviction. We
Speaker 1: need to display authenticity to the Australian people. And I
Speaker 1: think that point is actually one that's maximized among you
Speaker 1: young voters. They can probably smell bs smaller than any
Speaker 1: other constituency, or maybe they just have less tolerance for
Speaker 1: it than others. They're less shaded and cynical as you
Speaker 1: get older and you get used to everyone lying too.
Speaker 1: So I just think you've got to be authentic to
Speaker 1: young people. You can't get away pulling the wool over
Speaker 1: the eye. So the idea that somehow if we just
Speaker 1: adopt climate change policies or also say we'll slash your
Speaker 1: ex step by twenty percent, we'll match it, We'll go
Speaker 1: thirty percent. It's just not going to work. I don't
Speaker 1: think young people are that transactional that will willing willingly
Speaker 1: need to be brought off. What we've got to do
Speaker 1: is come up with policies that work for young people
Speaker 1: and that we believe in, and that we really believe
Speaker 1: in our gut, that are going to work. And there's
Speaker 1: plenty of things that we can do to improve the
Speaker 1: lives of young people. Obviously that Linda didn't mention is housing,
Speaker 1: and both part parties did try but obviously didn't meet
Speaker 1: the mark there. I'd also come back to the view
Speaker 1: that we've got to be careful here that we don't
Speaker 1: start padding either the Labor Party or level of national
Speaker 1: parties on the back the minor party vote was at
Speaker 1: a record level, and that's also very prevalent among young people.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of system about the political process. And
Speaker 1: if Labor Party takes the lessons from this election that
Speaker 1: they they're excellent, everything they do is great, fantastic, let
Speaker 1: them do that, because I don't think that's actually the
Speaker 1: lesson from the last few elections. People are very cynical
Speaker 1: in all political parties at the moment.
Speaker 2: Lady, thank you so much, Shoe all the best. Will
Speaker 2: see you all again very very soon, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: All right, after the break. One of the greatest lies
Speaker 2: ever told, but now apparently we're not allowed to talk
Speaker 2: about it. Well I will next. You may well have
Speaker 2: heard some big news today about the former President of
Speaker 2: the United States, Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been diagnosed
Speaker 2: with an aggressive form of prostate cancer.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden has revealed he's been diagnosed with an aggressive
Speaker 1: form of prostate cancer.
Speaker 6: Joe Biden has been diagnosed with an aggressive form of
Speaker 6: prostate cancer.
Speaker 2: So the message is coming from his supporters in the
Speaker 2: American media no more criticism of the former president is
Speaker 2: just extraordinary.
Speaker 10: We know from the statement from his personal spokesman that
Speaker 10: Biden learned the diagnosis on Friday. Well, what was the
Speaker 10: biggest Biden story on Friday? It was the release of
Speaker 10: those audio excerpts from his conversations with Robert Herr back
Speaker 10: in twenty twenty three. And then you have, as you
Speaker 10: and Paul just acknowledged, this book coming out, one of
Speaker 10: the biggest political books in several years. It seems to me, Jessica,
Speaker 10: this debate doesn't end at all, but it is briefly
Speaker 10: put on pause as a result of today's news.
Speaker 2: The book that he refers to is the one written
Speaker 2: by Jake Tapper, you know, the guy who said nothing
Speaker 2: to see who now wants credit for saying there's everything
Speaker 2: to see here, one that was described, of course by
Speaker 2: Rolling Stone as much much worse than things were believed
Speaker 2: to be. In the La Times. They referred to this
Speaker 2: particular book and all of its details as being painful
Speaker 2: but necessary.
Speaker 1: At the heart of the.
Speaker 2: Problem with Biden and the lies that we were told
Speaker 2: for so long, is it. Of course, it was a
Speaker 2: completely separate standard for him compared to the terrible Orange
Speaker 2: Man bad because you see, while Donald Trump was being
Speaker 2: charged with taking home official documents, that's exactly what Joe
Speaker 2: Biden had done. He didn't keep them in a storage locker.
Speaker 2: He kept them next to his car. At the time,
Speaker 2: he was investigated by the FBI and by the Justice Department,
Speaker 2: who concluded that no one's going to find him guilty
Speaker 2: because as an elderly man with a poor memory, and
Speaker 2: of course that was outrageous at the time to suggest.
Speaker 8: When the inevitable conclusion is that the facts and the
Speaker 8: evidence don't support any charges. You're left to wonder why
Speaker 8: this report spends time making gratuitous and inappropriate criticisms of
Speaker 8: the president.
Speaker 5: So the way that the president's demeanor in that report
Speaker 5: was characterized could not be more wrong.
Speaker 1: On the facts, we should expect.
Speaker 2: That there would be a higher level of integrity than
Speaker 2: what we saw. Well, let's roll the type here he's
Speaker 2: talking about. Why was he holding onto those documents at all?
Speaker 7: What bo Die got.
Speaker 11: Twenty fifteen and died twenty fifteen, maybe twenty fifteen.
Speaker 7: Or that much of the months or when he goes yeah,
Speaker 7: that's right, suppresident. And what's happened in the meantime is that.
Speaker 11: As Hump gets elected in November of twenty seventeen, sixteen,
Speaker 11: twenty sixteen, all right, so.
Speaker 7: Right have twenty seventeen. That's when we left the office
Speaker 7: in January twenty seven. Okay, but Fashin Chump has sworn.
Speaker 1: In that.
Speaker 2: That man was the leader of the free world. That
Speaker 2: was in October. He remained the leader of the free
Speaker 2: world in November, December and all the way till January twenty.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that he's sick. I hope he beats it,
Speaker 2: but I'm not shutting up about this. Never will. Late
Speaker 2: debates next