1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, November nineteen. Shishin Being is facing his biggest 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: trade challenge in more than a decade, and he's aiming 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: to counter Donald Trump's taraf by getting Australia on side. 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: In his third bilateral meeting with Anthony Alberonizi at the 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: G twenty somewhat on Tuesday, the Chinese president will seek 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: support for open trade. That story's live right now at 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: the Australian dot com. Dou One of the most influential 9 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: figures in the history of Australian media, Alan Jones, will 10 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: face court on December eighteen, charged with twenty four offenses 11 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: including indecent assault and sexual touching. His lawyer says he'll 12 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: be defending the chargers today. The remarkable power of the 13 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: loved and loathed Alan Jones and what happens to the 14 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: eighty three year old Now, long before there was Kyle 15 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: and Jackie. 16 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: Oh guys, guys, this morning I'm masturbated right and I'm 17 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: so lazy. 18 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: This morning there was Alan Jones. 19 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 3: She's a clown, just Cinderada in a complete clown. I 20 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 3: just wonder whether Scott Morrison's going to be fully brief 21 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 3: to shove a sock down the throat. I mean, she 22 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 3: is a joke, this woman, and an absolute and utter lightweight. 23 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 4: What about this brain dead Sarah Hansoon Young from the Greens. 24 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 4: Your dope, clever or you died in the world dope? 25 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: The all powerful king of Sydney Breakfast Radio, who turned 26 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: his daily AM slot into a platform to terrify politicians, 27 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: hector hapless bureaucrats and demand results for his army of 28 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: devoted listeners. Here he is in twenty fourteen, demanding then 29 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: Minister Malcolm Turnbull show loyalty to Prime Tony Abbott. 30 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 5: Can I begin by asking you if you could say 31 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 5: after me this As a senior member of the Abbot government, 32 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 5: I want to say here, I am totally supportive of 33 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 5: the Abbot Hockey strategy for budget repair Allan. 34 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: I'm not going to take dictation from you. I am 35 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: a cabinet minister. I support unreservedly and wholeheartedly every element 36 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 2: in the budget, every single one. 37 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: Jones's power came from his audience, Sydney Siders who loved 38 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: hearing him rip in, but were also charmed by his 39 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: moments of quirky, warmth enthusing about passions like opera. 40 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 3: The music critic, writing for The New York That described 41 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 3: Terrasini's performance as quote smoldering, explosive, shrieking, whispering, singing. 42 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: Jones had risen international prominence via rugby union. He was 43 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: a teacher, then a coach at elite boys schools who 44 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: rose to steer the Wallabies back in their glory days. 45 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: Jones and made numerous unsuccessful attempts to stand for politics 46 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: with the Liberal and Country parties, but in the end, 47 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: Jones proved he didn't need a seat in Parliament to 48 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: have a say in running the country. Politicians jumped to 49 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: his command and sponsors flocked to the show. It was 50 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: those commercial relationships that caused Jones's first brush with national controversy, 51 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: when an inquiry by the Australian Broadcasting Authority found he 52 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: had failed to properly disclose commercial relationships with the brands 53 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: he was sprooking on air. And then in twenty twelve 54 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: at a Young Liberal function, the Sunday Telegraph recorded Jones 55 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: saying this when he thought no journalists were present. 56 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: The cause of the Labor Party, Julia Alive everybody. 57 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: Shame if you didn't catch that, Joones said the then 58 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: Prime Minister, Julia Gillard's recently deceased father had died of 59 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: shame because of what Joanes said were his daughter's lies. 60 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: It prompted a wave of condemnation and a rare expression 61 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: of regret. 62 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 6: Jones's apology press conference when for forty five minutes, but 63 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 6: the word sorry didn't feature. 64 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 5: I owe her an apology, and I hope I'll be 65 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 5: able to make that to her, not to. 66 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 3: Her through you. 67 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 4: You just have to concede and man up and say 68 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 4: you got it wrong. 69 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: I was the deputy editor of the Sunday Telegraph at 70 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: the time we published that story, and I've got to 71 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: tell you it was hair raising for editor Neil Breen 72 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: and me to publish such a story about a figure 73 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: so powerful and so ruthless. But that moment was a 74 00:04:55,520 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: small insight into how Jones regarded women. He is lecturing Gillard, 75 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: the Prime Minister, for being late to his show. 76 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 7: Alan, I believe I am a very courteous person. I'm 77 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 7: also very busy. If I can finish my sentence, Alan, also, 78 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 7: I'm also a very busy Rawson and Alan, if I 79 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 7: can finish my sentence uninterrupted. I've had media commitments this morning, late. 80 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,799 Speaker 3: This morning at ten past seven. Would your staff agreed 81 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 3: on this program? 82 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 7: Well, Allan, I am happy to apologize to you for 83 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 7: being late. I am now here. If you have a 84 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 7: question in the nation's interest, then please feel free to 85 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 7: put it. 86 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: And suggesting what he'd really like to do with Gillard 87 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: and the then Greens leader. 88 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 4: The woman's offer tree and quite frankly, they should show 89 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 4: her and Bob Brown in a chaff bag and take 90 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 4: them a star out to see as they can and 91 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 4: tell him to swim home. 92 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,559 Speaker 1: At the top of this episode, you heard Jones talking 93 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: about former New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda R. 94 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 5: Dern. 95 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: Here's another moment. 96 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 3: New Zealand Prime Minister Jasinda Dern is challenging Scott Morrison 97 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 3: overclimate change. Now, I hope Scott Morrison gets tough here 98 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 3: with a few backhanders. Hasn't got a clue this woman. 99 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 8: There's no question that there has been a lot of 100 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 8: misogyny in the kinds of things that Jones has said 101 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 8: over the years. 102 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: Stephen Rice is The Australian's New South Wales editor and. 103 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 8: I think when he made that comment about dern It 104 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 8: coalesced there were a lot of things happening at the 105 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 8: time as well. It wasn't just that this was a 106 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 8: reminder of those things that he'd said, the quite disgraceful 107 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 8: thing sometimes about women. It was also right at the 108 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 8: point where listeners were already starting to abandon the show, 109 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 8: but more importantly, advertisers were starting to abandon the show, 110 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 8: and not just abandon the show, abandoned two GB as 111 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 8: a station, as a radio station. So you had all 112 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 8: this background where his influence is fading because he's a 113 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 8: dinosaur and he's not reading the room. Other broadcasters are 114 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 8: moving with the times. Jones just doesn't seem to be 115 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 8: able to do that. He's really stuck on certain lines. 116 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 8: And maybe you could get away with that and your 117 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 8: audience would just dwindle a bit, but you'd hang around. 118 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 8: But when you're saying stuff like chuff bag and chuck 119 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 8: them in the sea, advertisers will abandon you, and that's 120 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 8: what they were doing. 121 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: Jones retired from radio in twenty twenty and tried television 122 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: with Sky News, but the audience didn't follow him, and 123 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: Jones left in twenty twenty one. In twenty twenty three nine, 124 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: newspaper The Sydney Morning Herald published a series of allegations 125 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: by men that Jones had indecently assaulted them, including claims 126 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: he'd put his hands down two young men's pants, passionately 127 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: kissed a then schoolboy without his consent, and sexually touched 128 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: an employee who was driving him to work from his 129 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: apartment at Sydney's Circular Key. Jones denied all the allegations. 130 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: On Monday morning, police raided that Circular Key apartment and 131 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: took Jones away. 132 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 9: Alan Jones, once one of the most influential media identities 133 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 9: in Australia, is now under arrest over allegations he and 134 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 9: decently assaulted multiple young men. 135 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: Police executed a warrant at the eighty three year old's 136 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: luxury Sydney apartment at Circular Key this morning. He has 137 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: been charged with twenty four offenses spanning two decades, including 138 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: eleven charges of aggravated in decent assault, nine charges relating 139 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: to assault with active indecency, two charges of sexual touching 140 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: and two charges of common assault. The police will allege 141 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: Jones's youngest victim was seventeen years old when me alleged 142 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: offense occurred. His Assistant Commissioner Michael Fitzgerald from New South 143 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: Wales Police, giving a media conference on Monday. 144 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 6: I wish to commend the investigators of Strikeforce Bonavan for 145 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 6: their tenacity and their hard work and bringing this matter 146 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 6: before the courts. Historical matters such as this are incredibly 147 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 6: hard to investigate and bring before the courts. I wish 148 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 6: to commend the victims and their bravery in coming forward. 149 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 6: They fully are aware, as are the investigators, that the 150 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 6: hard work is just beginning, and they have given their 151 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 6: statements fully aware that they will go before the courts. 152 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: Jones has not yet been required to enter a plea, 153 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: but he's consistently denied any wrongdoing. On Monday, his lawyer 154 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: Chris Murphy said the charges would be defended and attacked 155 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: Michael Fitzgerald for describing the witnesses as victims, saying that 156 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: was a matter for the courts coming up. After the 157 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: Break Southwales editor Stephen Rice on what we can expect 158 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: from the King versus Alan Jones when this matter goes 159 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: to trial. Stephen Rice spoke to the Front's Christen amyot Rice. 160 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 1: He says Jones is. 161 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 8: Probably the best broadcast of the country he's ever seen. 162 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 8: I love him or hate him. He is just a 163 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 8: force of nature and yes he's bombastic, Hill Harangue, Prime 164 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 8: minister's businessman, you name it. Alan Jones will be in there, 165 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 8: taking absolutely no prisoners. A lot of our younger listeners 166 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 8: may have difficulty just grasping the kind of power that 167 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 8: he wielded, especially today in the age of social media 168 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 8: in a very fragmented media. But in the eighty and 169 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 8: nineties and early two thousands, radio was the way to 170 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 8: reach the hearts and minds of people in Sydney. It 171 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 8: had that immediacy that social media does now. Before Alan 172 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 8: Jones came along, it was a cheerful kind of round 173 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 8: that early morning radio shift, and Jones just turned that 174 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 8: around and made it into a really serious, I will 175 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 8: break your neck kind of style of radio. And he 176 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 8: took politicians to task and people responded to that. 177 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 10: Alan Jones has of course denied any wrongdoing and we 178 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 10: will need to wait to see for this to play 179 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 10: out in court. But if and when this does come 180 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 10: to trial, what do you think we can expect to see? 181 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 8: From everything we know, Jones will plead not guilty. He's 182 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 8: said very clearly on a number of occasions since The 183 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 8: Sydney Morning Herald came out with its allegations that he 184 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 8: is not guilty, that those allegations are false. 185 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 10: You mentioned just now that Alan Jones is likely to 186 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 10: plead not guilty. He's vehemently denied these allegations in the past. 187 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 10: Who do you think we can expect to see representing 188 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 10: him if and when this does go to trial. 189 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 8: Look, I expect we'll see a phalanx of Australia's best 190 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 8: cases lining up to represent Jones. Behind the scenes, He's 191 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 8: still got plenty of friends, plenty of supporters. Alan Jones 192 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 8: famously has a what he calls a pick and stick club. 193 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 8: They are the rusted on friends and supporters who he 194 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 8: will never abandon and who he thinks and hopes will 195 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 8: never abandon him. He'll have plenty of friends working to 196 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 8: ensure that he gets a fair trial. 197 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: Alan Jones has been granted conditional bail to appear before 198 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: the Downing Center Local Court on Decemi about eighteen. Stephen 199 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: Rice is The Australian's Sydney bureau chief. We've got the 200 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: full inside story of how this arrest transpired and what 201 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: precipitated the drama live right now at the Australian dot 202 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: com dot au