WEBVTT - Sharri | 19 March

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Evening. Welcome to the show tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>Bombshell revelations about the Islamophobia Register. Despite being concerned about

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<v Speaker 3>one type of racism, one of its directors has been

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<v Speaker 3>found saying highly offensive things about Jews who support Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>And this organization gets more than a million dollars in

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<v Speaker 3>taxpayer funds. My exclusive coming up also tonight. Albanizi under

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<v Speaker 3>pressure over rising power bills. His broken promises come back

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<v Speaker 3>to bite him. Michael Kroger and Richo will get stuck

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<v Speaker 3>in the coalition calls for migrants to be tested on

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<v Speaker 3>anti Semitism. Anthony Albanize's insulting and patronizing.

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<v Speaker 2>Response will shock you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll speak about this with David Ossip a bit later

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<v Speaker 3>and will cross live to Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Sharen Haskell.

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<v Speaker 2>As the war on her Mus resumes.

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<v Speaker 3>But first tonight, energy and climate activism are shaping up

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<v Speaker 3>to be major election issues, and tonight the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 3>is under pressure over his broken promise on power bills

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<v Speaker 3>as Australians face an increase in their power bills of up.

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<v Speaker 2>To two hundred dollars come July.

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<v Speaker 3>Alban Easy Today was mumbling and stumbling over his broken

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<v Speaker 3>promise at the last election. Just three years ago, he

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<v Speaker 3>pledged ninety seven times.

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<v Speaker 2>That your power bills would be cheaper under his leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>You've seen this before, but it's just the extraordinary to

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<v Speaker 3>watch when we know that it was a commitment he

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<v Speaker 3>never should have made because he was never going to

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<v Speaker 3>deliver on it, and he knew it.

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<v Speaker 4>Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.

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<v Speaker 5>Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.

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<v Speaker 6>By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars

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<v Speaker 6>a year.

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<v Speaker 4>Two hundred and seventy five dollars a year will.

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<v Speaker 7>Get power prices down by two hundred and seventy five dollars.

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<v Speaker 5>A year, two hundred and seventy five dollars for the

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<v Speaker 5>average house lower in twenty twenty five than today.

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<v Speaker 3>So it wasn't a one off remark. The Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 3>made the promise ninety seven times, but he's never apologized

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<v Speaker 3>to Australians for this. If he had, if he'd owned

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<v Speaker 3>up to it, perhaps voters wouldn't be so angry and

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<v Speaker 3>hold it against him instead. It's come back to bite him,

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<v Speaker 3>with new polling today showing that more than half of

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<v Speaker 3>voters blame the alber Ezi government's energy policies for soaring

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<v Speaker 3>household power bills. They also believe the country is heading

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<v Speaker 3>in the wrong direction. Redbridge polster Coosamaras said, voters believe

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<v Speaker 3>the alban Ezi government's renewable policies had pushed their energy

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<v Speaker 3>costs through the roof.

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<v Speaker 8>It's pretty clear to us now that not just why

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<v Speaker 8>this particular poll, but a lot of work that we've

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<v Speaker 8>done in this space that Australians are losing confidency in

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<v Speaker 8>that energy transition. People now have a very strong view

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<v Speaker 8>that it's going to be much more expensive, more unstable

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<v Speaker 8>and an unpredictable.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what voters are telling pollsters.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, here was the Prime Minister being questioned about the

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<v Speaker 3>issue today.

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<v Speaker 9>Can you guarantee energy prices will calm down or at

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<v Speaker 9>least you remain stable under a second channel?

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<v Speaker 3>And instead of a guarantee alber ez He continued with

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<v Speaker 3>his theme of blaming global factors for rising power bills.

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<v Speaker 2>Rather than acknowledging that perhaps it's his.

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<v Speaker 3>Own Minister Chris Bowen's irresponsible policies.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we know that we have international impact of global

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<v Speaker 4>inflation has had an impact. The Russian invasion of Ukraine

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<v Speaker 4>had an impact on energy prices.

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<v Speaker 3>He isn't taking any responsibility for any issue at all

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<v Speaker 3>and is turning this into a fine art. Yet the

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<v Speaker 3>situation with rising power bills is so severe that it's

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<v Speaker 3>now being described as energy poverty, where some Australians just

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<v Speaker 3>can't afford to use electricity, and even the progressive Labour

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<v Speaker 3>state of Victoria is reportedly considering extending the life of

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<v Speaker 3>colfied power stations, although this has been met with denials

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<v Speaker 3>today and the Victorian government claims the Yellown power station

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<v Speaker 3>will still close in twenty twenty eight. As you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Labor premiere in New South Wales, Chris Mins has already

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<v Speaker 3>had to extend the life cycle of a raring, the

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<v Speaker 3>Coulfide power station in this state, and this is because

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<v Speaker 3>Chris Bowen and id logues like him at a state

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<v Speaker 3>level rushed the transition to renewables before the infrastructure was

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<v Speaker 3>in place, before it was ready. Yet, instead of focusing

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<v Speaker 3>on power bills, Chris Bowen seems to be spending more

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<v Speaker 3>and more of his time making social media videos.

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<v Speaker 7>So you think wind turbites can't be recycled. This surf

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<v Speaker 7>pild is made out of wind.

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<v Speaker 3>Service videos where he blames everyone but himself for high

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<v Speaker 3>power bills. He even blamed Australians for just getting the

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<v Speaker 3>wrong energy deal.

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<v Speaker 5>Did you know that eighty one percent of Australians paying

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<v Speaker 5>more for electrocy they need to because they're not on

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<v Speaker 5>the best plan available. That's the data from the age.

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<v Speaker 5>All our government is making it easier for you switch providers.

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<v Speaker 5>This website will help you find the best possible deal

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<v Speaker 5>for somebody with your energy news.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's all your fault. Come on, this is nonsense.

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<v Speaker 3>Chris Bown already lost Bill shot En, the former Labor leader,

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<v Speaker 3>the twenty nineteen election, because of his highly unpopular high

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<v Speaker 3>taxing policies when he was Shadow Treasurer at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>and given today's latest polling, well Chris Bowen could play

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<v Speaker 3>a starring role in losing alban Easy support too, because

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<v Speaker 3>of the genuine anger at the cost of energy, a

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<v Speaker 3>cost that Alberan Easy can't pretend he didn't promise to

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<v Speaker 3>bring down. It's one of many broken promises he can't

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<v Speaker 3>escape from. He'd be better off simply apologizing.

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<v Speaker 2>But don't hold your breath for that.

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<v Speaker 3>Now tonight we can expose a director of the Islamophobia

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<v Speaker 3>Register spreading highly offensive messages about Zionists and that's Jews

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<v Speaker 3>who support Israel. You might have seen that the Islamophobia

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<v Speaker 3>Register came out a few days ago and it made

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<v Speaker 3>major news.

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<v Speaker 10>Researchers from Monash and Deacon Universities analyzed more than six

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<v Speaker 10>hundred incidents reported to the Islamophobia Register. Register has been

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<v Speaker 10>operating since twenty fourteen and the latest results are the

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<v Speaker 10>worst on record.

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<v Speaker 9>The report compiled by academics for the Islamophobia Register Australia

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<v Speaker 9>found anti Palestinian sentiment played a part and that Muslim

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<v Speaker 9>women were disproportionately targeted.

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<v Speaker 3>With The Islamophobia Register uses their annual data to call

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<v Speaker 3>for more federal government funding, and they received one point

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<v Speaker 3>one million dollars in funding from the Australian government last year.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the grant finding details on your screen now. One

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<v Speaker 3>of their directors of the Islamophobia Register is Hilal Yassin.

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<v Speaker 3>He works in private equity as Group Managing Director at

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<v Speaker 3>First Key Capital and despite being concerned about one form

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<v Speaker 3>of racism, he said highly offensive things about Zionists Jews

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<v Speaker 3>whose support Israel. He's perpetuated the blood libel that Zionists

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<v Speaker 3>see themselves as superior, and he called Zionists savage. He

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<v Speaker 3>wrote on LinkedIn, the fundamental problem is one of psychology,

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<v Speaker 3>whereby the savage Israeli Zionists see themselves as a superior

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<v Speaker 3>race over and above the subhuman, animalistic Palestinians, just like

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<v Speaker 3>the barbaric Nazi Aryan German race who believed they were

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<v Speaker 3>from a racially superior bloodline to what they termed other

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<v Speaker 3>human rats. He also wrote, shame on the Zionist racial supremacists.

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<v Speaker 2>A danger to humanity and world.

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<v Speaker 3>Peace at large. Now I've said this repeatedly, but being

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<v Speaker 3>a Zionist is simply supporting the existence of Israel. If

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<v Speaker 3>you're not a Zionist, you wan't the state of Israel eliminated.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's look again. Here's more from the.

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<v Speaker 3>Islamophobia just a director Hilel Yasay. He said Nazism had

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<v Speaker 3>been replaced with Zionism, both racial supremacist groups, both believing

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<v Speaker 3>they are above the law due to their superior ethnicity,

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<v Speaker 3>and both a danger to humanity at large. Now Yusain

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<v Speaker 3>has even encouraged putting an end to Zionist practices.

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<v Speaker 2>This seems very dangerous to me. He wrote, we.

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<v Speaker 3>Put an end to the practices of the savage Nazis

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<v Speaker 3>and the racial supremacist master race ideology, and I'm certain

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<v Speaker 3>we will also put an end to the practices of

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<v Speaker 3>the barbaric Zionists and racial supremacist chosen race ideology. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just a matter of time, just a matter of time

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<v Speaker 3>until there's an end to the practices of the barbaric Zionists.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what he's saying.

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<v Speaker 3>This seems to be calling for an elimination of the

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<v Speaker 3>practices and ideology of Jews who support Israel. He says,

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<v Speaker 3>just like the Nazi ideology was eliminated. This is really

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<v Speaker 3>inflammatory language and potentially even incitement to violence. Now Y're

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<v Speaker 3>seen also claimed in one post that Zionists are European colonialists,

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<v Speaker 3>non indigenous. He wrote, have a look, the issue is

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<v Speaker 3>not one about religion, but one about the dispossession, occupation,

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<v Speaker 3>and subjugation of the brown indigenous Palestinian Semites of the

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<v Speaker 3>Middle East by European colonial Zionist European colonial Zinis. And

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<v Speaker 3>that is completely inaccurate and dangerously misleading to suggest Jews

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<v Speaker 3>only came from Europe when we know Jews are indigenous

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<v Speaker 3>to the land of Israel. In another post, he agreed

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<v Speaker 3>with someone else that survivors of the whole cost were

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<v Speaker 3>now programming their children to inflict one You can see

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<v Speaker 3>the post and under it, he said, one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 3>There are many, many, many similar posts and comments like

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<v Speaker 3>I've shown you, And since his online commentary.

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<v Speaker 2>Was first exposed by.

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<v Speaker 3>A digital investigations team Nashajew, he then changed his LinkedIn profile.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I put questions to Yasine today and his lawyers

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<v Speaker 3>responded to me. They said that Yasine differentiates between a

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<v Speaker 3>Zionist ideology and Australian Jews. His lawyers said, and I quote,

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<v Speaker 3>mister Yassin has spoken out against antisemitism, which is different

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<v Speaker 3>to criticizing the evil, illegal act of the.

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<v Speaker 2>State of Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Yassin's criticism of supremacist evil ideology is consistent whether

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<v Speaker 3>it claims to be based in Judaism, Christianity or Islam. Now, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>seines lawyers also told me, I'm going to quote here,

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<v Speaker 3>Australian Jews have been trying to highlight this distinction to

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<v Speaker 3>distance themselves from the Zionist ideology that has hijacked their religion.

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<v Speaker 3>We provide examples from the Jewish Council of Australia, Louise Adler,

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<v Speaker 3>Sarah Schwartz, and hundreds of other Australian Jews.

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<v Speaker 2>Well as far as.

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<v Speaker 3>I can tell, Yasine operates under his own definition of Zionism,

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<v Speaker 3>perhaps supported by a tiny minority of Jews. I personally

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<v Speaker 3>find his definition of Zionism ignorant, offensive and deeply divisive.

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<v Speaker 3>And I can say with pride on national television that

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<v Speaker 3>I am a Zionist. I strongly support the state of Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't stand alongside the company he describes. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think Nadiyahoo has been a truly at a time when

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<v Speaker 3>young Israelis have been on the front line fighting for

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<v Speaker 3>the very survival of the Jewish state when it's under

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<v Speaker 3>attack from bloodthirsty terrorists. Will we put questions to the

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<v Speaker 3>Islamophobia Register as well about these comments where fellow directors

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<v Speaker 3>are award winning and he racism advocate Marry him Visada,

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<v Speaker 3>who CEO of Media Diversity Australia. Another director is Wali

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<v Speaker 3>Dahli's wife, Susan Carland. And here is Yescene with Wali

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<v Speaker 3>Dhli at the Media Diversity launch in twenty seventeen. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>given Walid has written about anti Semitism, I do presume

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<v Speaker 3>genuinely that he and his wife would be pretty unimpressed

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<v Speaker 3>with Yesine's comments about Zionists. Now, Yasin is also pictured

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<v Speaker 3>here with Sarah Schwartz, who he mentioned, and you may

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<v Speaker 3>recall she was responsible for the eventsive Utom's jue slides.

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<v Speaker 3>Now The Islamophobia hasn't responded to our media request as yet.

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<v Speaker 3>We also asked Home Affairs how it was appropriate for

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<v Speaker 3>a million dollars of federal government funding to go towards

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<v Speaker 3>an organization where a director is spreading highly offensive content

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<v Speaker 3>about Zionists, and Home Affairs told us the Australian Government

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<v Speaker 3>has and continues to provide grants to a number of organizations,

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<v Speaker 3>including the Islamophobia Register of Australia, that focus on combating

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<v Speaker 3>racism and reducing misinformation and disinformation impacting Australian communities. Under

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<v Speaker 3>the guidelines, there are measures in place to ensure funding

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<v Speaker 3>is used for the specific stated purpose. The grants are

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<v Speaker 3>monitored through an agreed reporting and financial acquittal process grant

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<v Speaker 3>agreements in between the department and the recipient organization rather

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<v Speaker 3>than an individual. Now, social cohesion is incredibly important in

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<v Speaker 3>our country in Australia, but it's curious that people who

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<v Speaker 3>are supposedly against hatred and racism are perpetuating dangerous messages

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<v Speaker 3>about Jews who support Israel, which is the majority of Jews.

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<v Speaker 3>You're either against racism or you're not. You can't be

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<v Speaker 3>a director of the Islamophobia Register while spreading vicious libels

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<v Speaker 3>that one of Australia's largest minority groups already facing so

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<v Speaker 3>much hate, would find highly offensive. Okay, let's bring in

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<v Speaker 3>now from a Victorian Liberal Party President Michael Kroger and

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<v Speaker 3>Farmer Labor Senator Graham Richardson. Great to see both as

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<v Speaker 3>always on a Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I want to start with the.

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<v Speaker 3>Polling that I just mentioned a moment ago that the

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<v Speaker 3>majority of voters now blame Anthony Albinizi and his government

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<v Speaker 3>for the skyrocketing power prices. Polling wasn't overwhelmingly positive for

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<v Speaker 3>the coalition he that had Labor just a head on

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<v Speaker 3>a two party preferred basis, but it seems that no

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<v Speaker 3>voter can forget the prime Minister's broken promise. So you know,

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<v Speaker 3>what do you make of how big of an issue

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<v Speaker 3>power prices will be at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Election and just where it's up to overall? Right now, I'd.

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<v Speaker 11>Prefer to start with mister m But anyway, I think

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<v Speaker 11>you said it all, Shari. Look, this is a monstrous issue,

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<v Speaker 11>is it is the dominant policy issue that we remember

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<v Speaker 11>from the twenty twenty two election, the two to seventy

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<v Speaker 11>five promise repeated one hundred times. It was the dominant

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<v Speaker 11>issue in the whole election, and the average working middle

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<v Speaker 11>class voter saw that, believed that, and voted for Albanizi accordingly,

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<v Speaker 11>you know, apart from the fact there was a nine

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<v Speaker 11>year old liberal government, you know, the most powerful political

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<v Speaker 11>policy they had in that campaign was that promise. People

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<v Speaker 11>believed it, acted on it, and it's coming back to

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<v Speaker 11>buy him and all is twisting and turning. When every

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<v Speaker 11>time Bowen or Minister's asked about the promise, oh it

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<v Speaker 11>was Ukraine or something, people are furious that they were

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<v Speaker 11>lied to. Right, this was a con job. There was

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<v Speaker 11>no proper modeling. This was just an advertising gimmick that

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<v Speaker 11>Albanese was told to run with to get him over

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<v Speaker 11>the line. It won him tens of thousands of votes.

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<v Speaker 11>It's coming back to bite him and I'd be absolutely

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<v Speaker 11>certain the Liberal Party will be reminding everybody they were

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<v Speaker 11>lied to it the last election and don't believe it

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<v Speaker 11>our ALBANIZI next time, Rich.

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<v Speaker 3>I do you think Albert would be better off just

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<v Speaker 3>apologizing to Australian saying he got it wrong? But because

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<v Speaker 3>he can't pretend those comments weren't made, everyone remembers that

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<v Speaker 3>he did promise cheaper power prices. And even if they

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<v Speaker 3>forget like Michael just said, the Coalie, you aren't going

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<v Speaker 3>to let them forget it.

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<v Speaker 12>Of course they're not. And I don't understand why politicians

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<v Speaker 12>are always so afraid of saying sorry, I mucked that up.

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<v Speaker 12>I'll now fix it up. I do not understand why

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<v Speaker 12>they won't do that. It goes back and would never

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<v Speaker 12>do it, but you have to do it the mob. No,

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<v Speaker 12>everybody knows there's been a stuff up, so why would

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<v Speaker 12>you be hesitant to admit it?

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<v Speaker 8>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 3>Just in terms of the overall polling, though, Michael, where

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<v Speaker 3>do you think Darton is at the minute, Because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>before this particular poll had the coalition ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's got Labor ahead.

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<v Speaker 11>So I think Peter Dutton in the opposition had a

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<v Speaker 11>few flat weeks and Labor probably have made up some ground.

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<v Speaker 11>That's been apparent to me for a month. But I

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<v Speaker 11>can see the wheel turning back again. I think Dutton's

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<v Speaker 11>probably fifty one to fifty two somewhere around there. I

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<v Speaker 11>still think he's on seventy two seats. I still think

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<v Speaker 11>he's going to win the election. The budget will not

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<v Speaker 11>help labor. The advertising campaign on that promise is not

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<v Speaker 11>going to help labor. And Sharis I've said before, he's

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<v Speaker 11>got another huge issue, green preferences. Is he going to

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<v Speaker 11>tell Labor voters to put the Green second? I mean,

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<v Speaker 11>this is the repol sive organization. Now, the Green is

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<v Speaker 11>an extremist organization that has smashed social occasion in this country,

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<v Speaker 11>as you've pointed out on many occasions. Is he going

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<v Speaker 11>to ask Labor voters in McNamara to vote for the

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<v Speaker 11>Greens ahead of the coalition.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's still going to answer this question.

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<v Speaker 11>You noted every time he's asked, he fobs it off

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<v Speaker 11>to the national executive or the organizational wing. In the end,

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<v Speaker 11>it's his decision. And he he's got to confront that

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<v Speaker 11>issue one way or the other. And I think we

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<v Speaker 11>know what he's going to do, and that's going to

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<v Speaker 11>be very.

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<v Speaker 1>Bad news for him.

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<v Speaker 3>The Nightly has a front page story tonight, so their

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<v Speaker 3>nightly edition tonight where they're saying that the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 3>is even boasting of winning another four seats so rich.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh it sounds like Albanze is getting overly confident. He's

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<v Speaker 3>telling people at private dinners that he's actually going to

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<v Speaker 3>pick up seats.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't think Dutton can win.

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<v Speaker 12>Oh yeah, I wouldn't write him off picking up seats.

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<v Speaker 12>And if you're a political leader and you are not

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<v Speaker 12>an optimist, especially you're at dinners of supporters and you're

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<v Speaker 12>a mug, So of course he's doing that. He has

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<v Speaker 12>to project an image of confidence. He has to look

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<v Speaker 12>like he is certain to win the election. If he

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<v Speaker 12>doesn't look like that, then people will take advantage of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think people like arrogance either though, which is

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<v Speaker 3>what it sounds like this boast was.

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<v Speaker 2>But we'll come back to that now.

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<v Speaker 3>Peter Darton has put forward the idea that migrants prospective

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<v Speaker 3>migrants would be tested on antisemitism in their citizenship test. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>he suggested adding a question to the exam to ensure

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<v Speaker 3>applicants are adequately screened.

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<v Speaker 13>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>The Prime Minister immediately was dismissive of this idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a look at this.

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<v Speaker 4>It's another soap bobble. We'll see if it lasts till

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<v Speaker 4>you know, a couple of a couple of hours away.

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<v Speaker 4>Yesdays didn't make it to lunch time, so we'll wait

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<v Speaker 4>see what happens the Coalition. The Coalition have run a

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<v Speaker 4>campaign complaining that too many Australians were making the citizenship pledge.

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<v Speaker 4>She'd been in the queue, some of them for years.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael first out.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this is so insulting from the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 3>not to take this proposal seriously of stopping anti Samites

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<v Speaker 3>coming into the country.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do think it would need to be more

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<v Speaker 2>than just a question.

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<v Speaker 3>There need to be some social media checking as well,

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<v Speaker 3>depending on which part of the world people were coming from.

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<v Speaker 11>Of course, I think it's preferable you don't have people

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<v Speaker 11>coming to this country to live permanently you hate Jews

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<v Speaker 11>and who were brought up in an education system where

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<v Speaker 11>they're talked to hate Jewish people. I don't think that's

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<v Speaker 11>good for our country. And I don't think anywhere near

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<v Speaker 11>a majority of Australians would think that was a good idea.

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<v Speaker 11>But I'll tell you what's happened here. I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 11>what's happened here. That was an appalling comment belb and

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<v Speaker 11>easy or that was a shocking comment. Why would he

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<v Speaker 11>say that. I'll tell you why I said that, Because

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<v Speaker 11>on Monday this week Peter Dutton did the right thing,

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<v Speaker 11>came out and he and Tim Wilson and Benson Salo,

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<v Speaker 11>the candidate McNamara and James Patterson made an announcement of

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<v Speaker 11>thirty five million dollars to help rebuild their synagogue in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 1>Great announcement.

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<v Speaker 11>Albert camt yesterday and promised almost the same amount. Very

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<v Speaker 11>good work by the Primisi and doing that. But you

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<v Speaker 11>just imagine what's happened internally within the Labor Party. Tony Burke,

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<v Speaker 11>the large Muslim constituencies in those western suburb Sydney seats

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<v Speaker 11>will have been furious that Albanezi is giving thirty one

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<v Speaker 11>point two million dollars to the Jewish community in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 1>They will have been furious his.

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<v Speaker 11>Phones yesterday afternoon or Tuesday and today will have been

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<v Speaker 11>ringing off with people complaining about his support for the

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<v Speaker 11>Jewish community. So Today's came out and made this ridiculous

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<v Speaker 11>contribution somewhere in order to sort of balance things.

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<v Speaker 1>Up a bit.

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<v Speaker 11>I don't do what I'm know I've done follow Dutton

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<v Speaker 11>on this stuff. I've got my own views, and you know,

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<v Speaker 11>I don't think we should do this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the same. I think that's what's happened here.

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<v Speaker 11>He's copped huge flack in the last two days for

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<v Speaker 11>helping donate money to rebuild a synagogue.

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<v Speaker 7>Fire by and by.

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<v Speaker 2>Burn to the ground jewishump.

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<v Speaker 11>Painting racist racist extremists. So he's done the right thing,

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<v Speaker 11>and no doubt Tony Burke and others are not saying

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<v Speaker 11>back specifically, but people around the left of the Labor

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<v Speaker 11>Party and the Muslim community have been furious with him

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<v Speaker 11>ever since Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, let's turn to Trump, Russia and Ukraine. We

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<v Speaker 3>know that the President had a to our phone call

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<v Speaker 3>with Prutin. Look, he managed to extract some concessions, but

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<v Speaker 3>it clearly wasn't the deal he was hoping for because

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<v Speaker 3>Prutin said no to a thirty day ceasefire He did

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<v Speaker 3>agree to stop targeting Ukraine's energy infrastructure effective immediately, but

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<v Speaker 3>then there were reports that he resumed targeting the infrastructure. So, Richo,

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<v Speaker 3>do you have confidence that Trump is going to reach

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<v Speaker 3>an agreement that doesn't involve giving Russia more Ukraine in land.

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<v Speaker 12>I never have much confidence in anything that comes up

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<v Speaker 12>with Pitton. I think he's one of the worst murderous

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<v Speaker 12>grubs I've ever known in politics, and so I worry

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<v Speaker 12>about Trump's, you know, looking friendly occasionally towards him. I

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<v Speaker 12>don't think we should be friendly to this fellow at all.

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<v Speaker 12>This guy killed the people personally, let alone. You know,

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<v Speaker 12>we're using the apparatus of the state, and so you

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<v Speaker 12>don't admire that, you criticize it, and you condemn it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I understand the tactic of not criticizing Prutin why

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<v Speaker 3>you're trying to get him to agree to a cease

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<v Speaker 3>fire or a peace deal. But Michael, you know at

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<v Speaker 3>this point, and look, I hope more than anything that

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<v Speaker 3>Trump can get a deal done here, but at this point,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it doesn't look promising.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think.

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<v Speaker 11>You don't know fully what's happening behind the scenes. I

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<v Speaker 11>think that's the first thing to say. But to the

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<v Speaker 11>extent that we know, we know from the public statements

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<v Speaker 11>made by both leaders on the details of the conversations,

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<v Speaker 11>and they've been picked over by many journalists who've basically

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<v Speaker 11>concluded that Putin did better than Trump. My worry is

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<v Speaker 11>that he's got this completely wrong. Instead of hitting on

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<v Speaker 11>Zelenski first, he should have been hitting on Putin first.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, Zolenski was easy to get him to agree

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<v Speaker 11>because the country's being smashed. The first portcoll should have

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<v Speaker 11>been with Putin. Now it looks like on the service,

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<v Speaker 11>it's looked like Putin can just sit there month after

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<v Speaker 11>month after month. He'll still be president long after Trump's gone,

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<v Speaker 11>and so he can weigh him out. As the Chinese

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<v Speaker 11>and the North Koreans waited Trump out in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 11>he can.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait him out.

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<v Speaker 11>And the longer it goes, the worse it is to Trump,

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<v Speaker 11>because don't forget again, this was one of his major

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<v Speaker 11>campaign election promises that he fixed it in the day,

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<v Speaker 11>meaning he'd fix it in a few months. If he

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<v Speaker 11>can't fix this on reasonable terms, it's very damaging to

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<v Speaker 11>Trump and it doesn't read so good so far.

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<v Speaker 3>And the issue is that Putin of course knows that

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<v Speaker 3>Trump desperately wants to get this done.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know we haven't given up.

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<v Speaker 3>Favorite We'll see where this ends, all right, Michael Kroger,

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<v Speaker 3>Gray Ritson, Great to see you as always. In a

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<v Speaker 3>Wednesday Now as Sydney nurse charged over the viral video

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<v Speaker 3>in which he boasted of killing Israeli patients, will plead

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<v Speaker 3>not guilty on the basis he didn't consent to being recorded.

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<v Speaker 2>Our Sky News.

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<v Speaker 3>Reporter and friend Caroline Marcus was in court today and

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<v Speaker 3>here's the report she filed a little earlier.

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<v Speaker 13>Shari. There were chaotic scenes outside court today as supporters

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<v Speaker 13>of former nurse Sarah Abu Lebday clashed with the media

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<v Speaker 13>after her hearing. Mith Lebday had less to say than

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<v Speaker 13>the last time we saw her, in that online video

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<v Speaker 13>chat with Israeli influencer Max Wiefer, which went viral last month.

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<v Speaker 13>In that clip, she said she would kill Israelis who

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<v Speaker 13>turned up at the hospital for treatment. Do you have

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<v Speaker 13>anything you'd like to say to the Jewish community, of

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<v Speaker 13>the Israeli community.

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<v Speaker 2>Your brother said you were set up. Do you believe

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<v Speaker 2>you were set up?

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<v Speaker 13>Her co accused, a fellow former Bangstown Hospital nurse Ahmad

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<v Speaker 13>Rashard Nadir claimed in the video that he'd already killed

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<v Speaker 13>Israeli patience. Police allegedly found morphine in his hospital locker.

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<v Speaker 13>Outside court, mister Nada's lawyer said that he would defend

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<v Speaker 13>the charge of a harassed menace or offend using a

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<v Speaker 13>carriage service on legal and technical grounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have anything to say?

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<v Speaker 13>How do you intend to plead?

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<v Speaker 7>My client will be pleading not guilty to the charges.

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<v Speaker 13>On what basis is he pleading not guilty with caught

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<v Speaker 13>on the video?

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<v Speaker 7>He'll be defending the matter on legal and technical grounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you expand on that? What kind of grounds?

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<v Speaker 13>What legal grounds?

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<v Speaker 7>The video which was captured and recorded was done without

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<v Speaker 7>the consent of my client, without his knowledge, and we

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<v Speaker 7>will argue for that to be excluded.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister, do you regret? Do you regret what you said?

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<v Speaker 13>The case has been adjourned for eight weeks so that

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<v Speaker 13>the prosecution can prepare a grief of evidence. It will

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<v Speaker 13>return here in court in May, but the pair of

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<v Speaker 13>Foremer nurses are excused from having to appear in person.

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<v Speaker 13>Then if they're found guilty, they face a maximum sentence

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<v Speaker 13>of ten years in jail.

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<v Speaker 3>And Caroline Marcus did great worker outside court and what

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<v Speaker 3>of course, will keep reporting on that case.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, still to.

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<v Speaker 3>Come, we'll speak with Sharanna Haskell in his trail as

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<v Speaker 3>the war on her mus resumes. Plus a major embarrassment

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<v Speaker 3>for Mark Speakman today as he corrects the record after

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<v Speaker 3>we revealed that his team did negotiate with the Greens.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't want to miss his fiery clash when he

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<v Speaker 3>was confronted with the facts today.

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<v Speaker 2>That's after this.

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<v Speaker 3>I'llcome back when New South Wales opposition leader Mark Speakman

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<v Speaker 3>is in hot water for butting up with the Greens

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<v Speaker 3>on a parliamentary inquiry into much needed.

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<v Speaker 2>Hate speech laws.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, he denied that the coalitions that the Coalition had

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<v Speaker 3>been working with the Greens, but right here last night

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<v Speaker 3>we showed that to be false and two GB host

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<v Speaker 3>Mark Levy hounded him about it this morning.

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<v Speaker 14>Why did you lie on the Drive show yesterday?

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<v Speaker 15>Well, I didn't lie. That's not a lie. I said

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<v Speaker 15>that I was not aware of any communication and that's

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<v Speaker 15>the truth. I didn't have any communication with missus Higginson.

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<v Speaker 15>My officers had no communication with miss Higginson. She's not

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<v Speaker 15>even in my phone director at the moment, I said,

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<v Speaker 15>I believed that no one else had communication with her,

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<v Speaker 15>but you'd have to ask them that, and apparently people

0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 15>have asked them and there was one communication, So.

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<v Speaker 2>That admission right there, there was a communication.

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<v Speaker 3>Well. Mark Levy then took him to task about his

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<v Speaker 3>support for an inquiry in desperately needed laws yes on

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<v Speaker 3>hate speech and the ban for protesters outside places of worship.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got him to do.

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<v Speaker 14>What's this got to do with the Dural caravan when

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<v Speaker 14>there's an anti Semitism crisis.

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<v Speaker 1>You are trying to combine hate.

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<v Speaker 14>Speech laws with the Geral caravan, which are completely separate issues.

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<v Speaker 14>You are sabotaging what the premier is trying to do

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<v Speaker 14>in supporting the Jewish community who have been subjected to

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<v Speaker 14>these apparrent attacks. And you're in there saying, oh, we

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<v Speaker 14>need an inquiry, which opens the door for the pro

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<v Speaker 14>Palestinian mob to come in there and start questioning the

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<v Speaker 14>hate speech laws.

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<v Speaker 15>What is the point that accusation is completely unfounded, unfounders.

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<v Speaker 15>We are not supporting the revocation of the hate speech laws.

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<v Speaker 3>And Mark Speakman then suggested that Australians had been misled

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<v Speaker 3>because the caravan plot was, according.

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<v Speaker 2>To him, all a hoax.

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<v Speaker 14>Do you acknowledge that this legislation has nothing to.

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<v Speaker 15>Do with Geral, Well, in the sense that we're not

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<v Speaker 15>going to revoke the legislation, that's correct, but no, no,

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<v Speaker 15>that's not my question.

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<v Speaker 14>Do you acknowledge that the hate speech legislation has nothing

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<v Speaker 14>to do.

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<v Speaker 15>With Geral The legislation may have been passed in circumstances

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<v Speaker 15>where the general public and my fellow MP's have misled.

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<v Speaker 15>If that's the case, we still don't want to revoke

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<v Speaker 15>the hate speech laws because there's too much any Semitism

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<v Speaker 15>around to do that, all.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and to discuss joining me now as the new

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<v Speaker 3>South Wales Jewish Body of Deputies President David us of David, great.

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<v Speaker 2>To see you again.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, there's been a misconception in the media that these

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<v Speaker 3>laws were in response to the Cara run plot when

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<v Speaker 3>they had nothing to do with them.

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<v Speaker 6>That's entirely You're right, sorry, and it's good to be

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<v Speaker 6>with you as always. It's a complete fallacy to suggest

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<v Speaker 6>that these laws only came about or were proposed because

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<v Speaker 6>of the caravan incident. The Jewish community has been calling

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<v Speaker 6>for reforms to hate speech laws for eighteen months. Ever

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<v Speaker 6>since existing laws proved unable to deal with the scenes

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<v Speaker 6>of infamy that we saw on the steps of the

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<v Speaker 6>Opera House. Since then, over that eighteen month period, we've

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<v Speaker 6>seen too many instances of extremely dangerous hate speech, which

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<v Speaker 6>in many cases verged or inte crossed the line into

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<v Speaker 6>outright inssignment of violence. In religious settings. Jews have been

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<v Speaker 6>dehumanized and vilified compared to animals, depicted as being uniquely

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<v Speaker 6>evil and representing the worst traits of humanity. On the

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<v Speaker 6>streets of Chillura and Sydney, a group of young men

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<v Speaker 6>chanted in Arabic for the massacre of Jews. As a

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:51.840
<v Speaker 6>civil society, we can't tolerate this and caravan or no caravan,

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:56.160
<v Speaker 6>criminal conspiracy or no criminal conspiracy. These laws are critically

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<v Speaker 6>important and we welcomed the strong and forthright leadership of

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<v Speaker 6>the Premier in his government in standing behind these hate

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<v Speaker 6>speech laws, and also gratify that the opposition has now

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<v Speaker 6>confirmed that they also won't support repealing these laws.

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<v Speaker 3>They won't support repealing the laws, but they do support

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<v Speaker 3>this parliamentary inquiry. And the only reason there's a parliamentary

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:20.160
<v Speaker 3>inquiry in the first place is because some of the

0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:21.920
<v Speaker 3>other political parties don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Support the laws.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you concerned that the coalition has supported this inquiry?

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<v Speaker 3>You know when we're likely to hear it's likely to

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<v Speaker 3>give a platform to people who just want to deny

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<v Speaker 3>the crisis.

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<v Speaker 6>We'll look as a general proposition. We're fortunate in New

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<v Speaker 6>South Wales to enjoy strong bipartisan support in a way

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<v Speaker 6>we don't federally. In fact, with the exception of the Greens,

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<v Speaker 6>we have support across the Parliament and we feel grateful

0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:50.440
<v Speaker 6>and fortunate for that. But we as a community didn't

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<v Speaker 6>support the establishment of this inquiry for a few reasons. First,

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<v Speaker 6>we didn't want the legitimacy of the extremely important laws

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<v Speaker 6>which passed the Parliament to be called in question. The

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<v Speaker 6>Police press conference was barely over and the Greens, the

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<v Speaker 6>Palestine Action Group and other hostile actors put in a

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<v Speaker 6>wait to start a campaign to undermine the laws and

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<v Speaker 6>to suggest that they were illegitimate. We don't want this

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<v Speaker 6>inquiry to undermine these important laws by painting them as illegitimate. Secondly,

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<v Speaker 6>we don't want this inquiry to be a platform for

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<v Speaker 6>actors like the Greens, which is which itself has been

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<v Speaker 6>tainted by Anti Simonson to gaslight and diminish this usedness

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<v Speaker 6>of what the Jewish community has had to deal with

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<v Speaker 6>over the past eighteen months, but particularly over the past

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<v Speaker 6>three months. There is currently a go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>Jerry no, I was just going to say, you mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>the Greens, and I had the Greens on my show

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<v Speaker 3>last night.

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<v Speaker 2>I basically never do, but I did last night, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was quite bizarre to see them.

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<v Speaker 3>Support the pro Palestinians who claim that they deserve the

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<v Speaker 3>right to continue to protest and harass yous outside of

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<v Speaker 3>a synagogue.

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<v Speaker 2>Just have a look at that.

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<v Speaker 3>They should be able to harass Jews outside synagogues.

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<v Speaker 4>I absolutely stand with them because I think the worshould.

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<v Speaker 3>They be able to harass Jews outside of a place

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<v Speaker 3>of worship that has nothing to do with the Middle

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<v Speaker 3>East and is only about Judaism chari.

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<v Speaker 11>This is about all places of worship, the laws the

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<v Speaker 11>Men's government introduced.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not seeing protests outside of any other places of worship.

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<v Speaker 3>We're seeing pro Palestinian activists outside synagogues. I mean, David,

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<v Speaker 3>this is ludicrous to claim that protests should happen outside

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<v Speaker 3>places of worship.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course it is, but It's just further evidence that

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<v Speaker 6>the Green's political Party are a bad faith actor. They've

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<v Speaker 6>poured fuel on the fire of anti sympisms for the

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<v Speaker 6>past eighteen months and in some cases been anti Symitic themselves.

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<v Speaker 6>They are the self described party of human rights who

0:35:56.800 --> 0:35:59.319
<v Speaker 6>seemingly draw the line when it comes to the human

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:02.320
<v Speaker 6>rights of the Jewish community, and they seemingly have no

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:06.439
<v Speaker 6>concern about joos being locked down in their synagogues while

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:11.759
<v Speaker 6>protesters recover outside. It's a campaign of diminishment, distortion and

0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 6>gas lighting, and we have to fight against it.

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<v Speaker 3>No indeed, all right, David Asip really appreciate your time,

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much. Now still to come across live

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<v Speaker 3>to Israel with Deputy Foreign Minister Sharend Haskell. Plus Labor

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<v Speaker 3>confirms even more spending in next week's budget.

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<v Speaker 2>Well will this.

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<v Speaker 3>Push inflation up? An economist will join me next.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>Well next Tuesday, it's the budget and the Treasurer has

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<v Speaker 3>confirmed there'll be more cost of living relief. This is

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<v Speaker 3>despite the fact that we're staring down a twenty six

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<v Speaker 3>point nine billion dollar deficit.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's bringing down.

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<v Speaker 3>Managing director at EQ Economics, Warren Hogan, Warren so great

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<v Speaker 3>to see you again.

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<v Speaker 4>So the issue is.

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<v Speaker 3>More spending at a time when most economists are saying, look,

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<v Speaker 3>you've got it, keep spending in check to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>inflation doesn't rise again.

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<v Speaker 16>What's your view on this, Yeah, well I think that's

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:07.440
<v Speaker 16>been the issue for a number of years. This is

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:11.279
<v Speaker 16>a massive spending government. The size of government in this

0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:14.239
<v Speaker 16>country is like nothing we've seen before, and we'll see

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<v Speaker 16>again next Tuesday night. A big upward revision to the

0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:19.759
<v Speaker 16>amount of tax because there's more jobs out there and

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 16>more income tax which they're taxing plus bracke yep, and

0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:27.879
<v Speaker 16>then they're spending it. And this has been going on well,

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:32.360
<v Speaker 16>this government for three years in a very concerted fashion.

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<v Speaker 16>Six percent real growth, almost ten percent, nomenal like growth

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<v Speaker 16>in spending every year sort of thing. But it has

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:40.600
<v Speaker 16>actually been going on for longer than that. But it's

0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 16>getting to a point where we're going to start affecting

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:45.960
<v Speaker 16>the functioning of the economy. But of course now also

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:49.520
<v Speaker 16>it's not just that they're spending extra tax revenues. They've

0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:51.680
<v Speaker 16>got deficits for as far as the eye can see.

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<v Speaker 16>And of course when you've grown the size of spending

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<v Speaker 16>so much, you think you should be at least a

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<v Speaker 16>little bit constrained around those deficits.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean the issue is that they have been some

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:05.360
<v Speaker 3>polls that suggests that people don't care about whether the budget,

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 3>whether there is whether Australia is in an enormous amount

0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:12.799
<v Speaker 3>of debt, and so perhaps this has prevented the Albanesi

0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:17.680
<v Speaker 3>government from being more prudent and fiscally conservative with their spending.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think there's a bit of that int well.

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<v Speaker 16>I think there's definitely been a shift in the last

0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 16>you know, the thirty years before COVID, the modern Australian economy.

0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 16>There was definitely not just a political desire to run

0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:35.279
<v Speaker 16>sensible financial management and government across all levels, but that

0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:39.120
<v Speaker 16>reflected a desire in the community. And since COVID that

0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:41.759
<v Speaker 16>has changed. But this is what leadership's about, because there's

0:38:41.760 --> 0:38:44.520
<v Speaker 16>always going to be consequences. And of course in that

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:48.400
<v Speaker 16>last thirty years where we ran very conservative government finances,

0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:50.320
<v Speaker 16>we tried to make sure we didn't run deficits for

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<v Speaker 16>a long time. We aimed to get back into service

0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:55.360
<v Speaker 16>and we had low government debt compared to other countries,

0:38:55.880 --> 0:38:58.399
<v Speaker 16>but we built up the second largest household sector debt

0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:02.279
<v Speaker 16>through mortgages the world, and my concern is if we

0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 16>suddenly decide, okay, well we can run debt the size

0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:08.719
<v Speaker 16>of America or the UK or Europe, then we're going

0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 16>to have some consequences for the households. We've got all

0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:13.920
<v Speaker 16>these mortgagesig higher rates or access to credits. So we've

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 16>got to be careful with these big shifts. So we've

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:17.040
<v Speaker 16>got to show leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you think back to the two thousand and

0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:22.360
<v Speaker 3>seven election campaign, which I covered as a journalist at

0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 3>the time, and Kevin Rudd was trying to be more

0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:28.080
<v Speaker 3>biscally conservative than John Howard, and you just don't that's

0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:32.160
<v Speaker 3>not part of the current debate. Even though inflation is

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:34.920
<v Speaker 3>not yet back to target Ranger, we just heard from

0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:38.960
<v Speaker 3>the OECD that there are concerns that the global forecasts

0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 3>are being revised upwards.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, inflation.

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<v Speaker 16>I've been saying this for a while, but inflation isn't

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<v Speaker 16>just going to disappear. And in this country we've done

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<v Speaker 16>less than others in terms of raising rates, and of

0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:50.319
<v Speaker 16>course we're spending more.

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<v Speaker 1>We're growing our government by more.

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<v Speaker 16>We might have less debt than them, but the growth

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<v Speaker 16>in the size of government he has been huge the

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<v Speaker 16>NDIS program, which admittedly it's over a decade now, but

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<v Speaker 16>that you'd have to go back to wartime military spending

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<v Speaker 16>to see growth in a government spending program.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is I mean, it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 16>Wayne Swan was the great fiscal titaner after the GFC.

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<v Speaker 1>So there has been a big shift.

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<v Speaker 16>But it doesn't mean it's the right thing, because we

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<v Speaker 16>are an economy structured around modest government, not small government,

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<v Speaker 16>and of course sensible management of these debts. So I

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<v Speaker 16>think this is a dangerous economic strategy. And of course

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<v Speaker 16>the other thing is it is inflationary. No matter what

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<v Speaker 16>a lot of people, including the government want to say,

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<v Speaker 16>rising government spending is going to put up with pressure

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<v Speaker 16>on inflation, and that has not disappeared in this country.

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<v Speaker 16>And of course if we're seeing problems and merge overseas,

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<v Speaker 16>then we've got to really take that seriously.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I also want to ask you, given the OECD's

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<v Speaker 3>revised forecast, do you think that the IBA decision to

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<v Speaker 3>cut rates last month was even more reckless?

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<v Speaker 16>Well, I thought it was reckless at the time, So

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<v Speaker 16>this is the arguments that I was made even more.

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<v Speaker 16>I actually think they probably should have raised rates a

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<v Speaker 16>bit more because we didn't go anywhere near what other

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<v Speaker 16>countries you'd like, not just a one or two rate

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<v Speaker 16>hikes away, we were four or five away. And you

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<v Speaker 16>know this is a political argument. The treasure is going

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<v Speaker 16>to make the next two months that we avoided recession.

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<v Speaker 16>But the thing is the politics of it is, well,

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<v Speaker 16>people has cost their standard living's gone down.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>Capita recession though people well it's.

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Dragged it all out.

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<v Speaker 16>It's been a malaise Australia's history, and like many other countries,

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<v Speaker 16>as we deal with our problems, don't drag them out.

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<v Speaker 16>The point now, though, is is that, yes, what happens

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<v Speaker 16>if this inflation comes back and then the RBA has

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<v Speaker 16>got to start raising rates again, that will be a

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<v Speaker 16>disaster for this country. And it'll be a disaster for

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<v Speaker 16>the RBA.

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<v Speaker 3>It'll embarrass them, damage their credibility, and that could that

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<v Speaker 3>is a very real scenario if the government spending is

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<v Speaker 3>so exorbitant.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not in the election campaign yet.

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<v Speaker 3>If the government spending is exobitant, if you know other

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<v Speaker 3>global factors, if inflation does rise and the RBA is

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<v Speaker 3>in a position where it needs to lift that.

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<v Speaker 2>Rate cut raise rates again.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, how does their credibility recover? And there would

0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:09.520
<v Speaker 3>be even more questions about whether there was political interference,

0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:14.520
<v Speaker 3>whether there was political pressure from the Treasury Secretary, Stephen Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 2>Who is a political animal and he also sits on

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<v Speaker 2>the board.

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<v Speaker 16>Well, the Treasury Secretary shouldn't be on the board and

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<v Speaker 16>that's something we need got to deal with. But the RBA,

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<v Speaker 16>if they have to do in about face, it won't

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<v Speaker 16>be before the election, it will be later in the year.

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<v Speaker 16>But it doesn't change the point you're making because damaging

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<v Speaker 16>the RBA's credibility in not just in our community and

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<v Speaker 16>their ability to manage inflation, but overseas as well, means

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<v Speaker 16>that we pay more for money. We're still reliant on

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<v Speaker 16>borrowing from overseas as a country, and it could increase

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<v Speaker 16>the cost of that and that will mean a cost

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<v Speaker 16>that we bear for years and it's measured in the

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<v Speaker 16>billions of dollars. So let's hope we don't get an

0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:53.239
<v Speaker 16>inflation surge. But I think at the same time, the

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<v Speaker 16>governments should not be spending a lot of money and

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<v Speaker 16>I think the Australian community may not react positively to

0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:01.719
<v Speaker 16>a big spendeth on because I think they're generally understanding

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<v Speaker 16>these issues.

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<v Speaker 3>Well I'm not sure about that, but I'm glad you

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<v Speaker 3>have faith in.

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<v Speaker 2>The Australian public. But we're going to catch up after

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<v Speaker 2>the budget next week. I'll be in camera for the budget. Warren.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to see you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks, Serry.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, coming up, Israel strikes eighty terrorist targets in

0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:19.719
<v Speaker 3>just ten minutes. All the details with Deputy Foreign Minister.

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<v Speaker 2>Sharen Haskell in a moment. Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, next Tuesday, it's the budget and the Treasurer has

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<v Speaker 3>confirmed there'll be more cost of living relief. This is

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<v Speaker 3>despite the fact that we're staring down a twenty six

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<v Speaker 3>point nine billion dollar deficit. Let's bringing down Managing director

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<v Speaker 3>at EQ Economics, Warren Hogan, Warren, so great to see

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<v Speaker 3>you again. So the issue is more spending at a

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<v Speaker 3>time when most economists are saying, look, you've got to

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<v Speaker 3>keep spending in check to make sure inflation doesn't rise again.

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<v Speaker 16>What's your view on this, Yeah, well I think that's

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<v Speaker 16>been the issue for a number of years. This is

0:43:57.520 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 16>a massive spending government. The size of government in this

0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:03.480
<v Speaker 16>country is like nothing we've seen before, and we'll see

0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:06.520
<v Speaker 16>again next Tuesday night, a big upward revision to the

0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:09.000
<v Speaker 16>amount of tax because there's more jobs out there and

0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:12.799
<v Speaker 16>more income tax which they're taxing plus brack creep yep,

0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:15.799
<v Speaker 16>and then they're spending it. And this has been going

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<v Speaker 16>on well, this government for three years in a very

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<v Speaker 16>concerted fashion. Six percent real growth, almost ten percent nomenal

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<v Speaker 16>like growth in spending every year sort of thing. But

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<v Speaker 16>it has actually been going on for longer than that.

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<v Speaker 16>But it's getting to a point where we're going to

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<v Speaker 16>start affecting the functioning of the economy. But of course

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<v Speaker 16>now also it's not just that they're spending extra tax revenues.

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<v Speaker 16>They've got deficits for as far as the eye can see.

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<v Speaker 16>And of course when you've grown the size of spending

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<v Speaker 16>so much, you think you should be at least a

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<v Speaker 16>little bit constrained around those deficits.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>The issue is that there have been some polls that

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<v Speaker 3>suggest that people don't care about whether the budget, whether

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<v Speaker 3>there is whether Australia is in an enormous amount of debt,

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<v Speaker 3>and so perhaps this has prevented the Albanesi government from

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<v Speaker 3>being more prudent and fiscally conservative with their spending do you.

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<v Speaker 16>Think there's a bit of that in Well, I think

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<v Speaker 16>there's definitely been a shift in the last you know,

0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:15.640
<v Speaker 16>the thirty years before COVID, the modern Australian economy, there

0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:21.040
<v Speaker 16>was definitely not just a political desire to run sensible

0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:25.160
<v Speaker 16>financial management and government across all levels, but that reflected

0:45:25.200 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 16>a desire in the community. And since COVID that has changed.

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<v Speaker 16>But this is what leadership's about, because there's always going

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<v Speaker 16>to be consequences. And of course in that last thirty

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<v Speaker 16>years where we ran very conservative government finances, we tried

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<v Speaker 16>to make sure we didn't run deficits for a long time.

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<v Speaker 16>We aimed to get back into service, and we had

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<v Speaker 16>low government debt compared to other countries, but we built

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<v Speaker 16>up the second largest household sector debt through mortgages in

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<v Speaker 16>the world. And my concern is if we suddenly decide, okay,

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<v Speaker 16>well we can run debt the size of America or

0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:58.360
<v Speaker 16>the UK or Europe, then we're going to have some

0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:01.640
<v Speaker 16>consequences for the households got all these mortgagesig higher rates

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<v Speaker 16>or access to credit.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've got to be careful with these big shifts.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've got to show leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean you think back to the two thousand and

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<v Speaker 3>seven election campaign, which I covered as a journalist at

0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:13.839
<v Speaker 3>the time, and Kevin Rudd was trying to be more

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<v Speaker 3>biscally conservative than John Howard, and you just don't that's

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<v Speaker 3>not part of the current debate. Even though inflation is

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<v Speaker 3>not yet back to target ranging. We just heard from

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<v Speaker 3>the OECD that there are concerns that the global forecasts

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<v Speaker 3>are being revised upwards.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, inflation.

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<v Speaker 16>I've been saying this for a while, but inflation isn't

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<v Speaker 16>just going to disappear. And in this country we've done

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<v Speaker 16>less than others in terms of raising rates, and of

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<v Speaker 16>course we're spending more.

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<v Speaker 1>We're growing our government by more.

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<v Speaker 16>We might have less debt than them, but the growth

0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:45.680
<v Speaker 16>in the size of government he has been huge, the

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<v Speaker 16>NDIS program, which admittedly it's over a decade now, but

0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:51.719
<v Speaker 16>you'd have to go back to wartime military spending to

0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:53.640
<v Speaker 16>see growth in a government spending program.

0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 1>So it is I mean, it's interesting. Wayne Swann was.

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<v Speaker 16>The great fiscal tier after the GFC, so there has

0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:04.120
<v Speaker 16>been a big shift, But it doesn't mean it's the

0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:08.880
<v Speaker 16>right thing, because we are an economy structured around modest government,

0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:12.359
<v Speaker 16>not small government, and of course sensible management of these debts.

0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:15.400
<v Speaker 16>So I think this is a dangerous economic strategy. And

0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:17.800
<v Speaker 16>of course the other thing is it is inflationary. No

0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:20.480
<v Speaker 16>matter what a lot of people, including the government want

0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:24.360
<v Speaker 16>to say, rising government spending is going to put up

0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:27.320
<v Speaker 16>with pressure on inflation, and that has not disappeared in

0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:30.719
<v Speaker 16>this country. And of course if we're seeing problems and

0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:33.640
<v Speaker 16>merge overseas, then we've got to really take that seriously.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I also want to ask you, given the OECD's

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<v Speaker 3>revised forecast, do you think that the IBA decision to

0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:43.080
<v Speaker 3>cut rates last month was even more reckless?

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<v Speaker 16>Well, I thought it was reckless at the time. So

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<v Speaker 16>this is the arguments that I've made even more. Yeah,

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:51.360
<v Speaker 16>I actually think they probably should have raised rates a

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<v Speaker 16>bit more because we didn't go anywhere near what other

0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:55.680
<v Speaker 16>countries you'd like, not just a one or two rate

0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:59.320
<v Speaker 16>hikes away, we were four or five away. And this

0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:01.560
<v Speaker 16>is a argument the treasure is going to make the

0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:04.480
<v Speaker 16>next two months that we avoided recession. But the thing

0:48:04.600 --> 0:48:07.200
<v Speaker 16>is the politics of it is, well, people has cost,

0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:08.480
<v Speaker 16>their standard living's gone down.

0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:09.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean I think maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>Capita recession though people well it's dragged it all out.

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<v Speaker 16>It's been a malaise Australia's history, and like many other countries,

0:48:16.160 --> 0:48:18.160
<v Speaker 16>as we deal with our problems, don't drag them out.

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<v Speaker 16>The point now, though, is is that, yes, what happens

0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:24.759
<v Speaker 16>if this inflation comes back and then the RBA has

0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:26.960
<v Speaker 16>got to start raising rates again, that will be a

0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:29.279
<v Speaker 16>disaster for this country. And it'll be a disaster for

0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:29.680
<v Speaker 16>the RBA.

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<v Speaker 3>It'll embarrass them, damage their credibility, and that could that

0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:36.560
<v Speaker 3>is a very real scenario. If the government spending is

0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:40.200
<v Speaker 3>so exorbitant. We're not in the election campaign yet, If

0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:43.880
<v Speaker 3>the government spending is exobitant, if you know other global factors,

0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:46.600
<v Speaker 3>if inflation does rise and the RBA is in a

0:48:46.640 --> 0:48:50.959
<v Speaker 3>position where it needs to lift that rate cut raise

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:54.560
<v Speaker 3>rates again, I mean, how does their credibility recover? And

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<v Speaker 3>there would be even more questions about whether there was

0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:02.440
<v Speaker 3>political interference, whether there was political pressure from the Treasury Secretary,

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen Kennedy, who is a political animal and he also

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<v Speaker 3>sits on the board.

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<v Speaker 16>Well, the Treasury Secretary shouldn't be on the board and

0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:13.000
<v Speaker 16>that's something we got to deal with. But the RBA,

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<v Speaker 16>if they have to do in about face, it won't

0:49:14.680 --> 0:49:16.799
<v Speaker 16>be before the election. It will be later in the year,

0:49:16.880 --> 0:49:19.680
<v Speaker 16>but it doesn't change the point you're making because damaging

0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:23.879
<v Speaker 16>the RBA's credibility not just in our community and their

0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:26.600
<v Speaker 16>ability to manage inflation, but overseas as well, means that

0:49:26.680 --> 0:49:29.200
<v Speaker 16>we pay more for money. We're still reliant on borrowing

0:49:29.280 --> 0:49:32.040
<v Speaker 16>from overseas as a country, and it could increase the

0:49:32.120 --> 0:49:34.680
<v Speaker 16>cost of that and that will mean a cost that

0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:36.800
<v Speaker 16>we bear for years and it's measured in the bellions

0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:40.800
<v Speaker 16>of dollars. So let's hope we don't get an inflation surge.

0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:43.520
<v Speaker 16>But I think at the same time, the governments should

0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:45.319
<v Speaker 16>not be spending a lot of money, and I think

0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:48.200
<v Speaker 16>the Australian community may not react positively to a big

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:51.520
<v Speaker 16>spendeth on because I think they're generally understanding these issues.

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<v Speaker 3>Well I'm not sure about that, but I'm glad you

0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:57.040
<v Speaker 3>have faith in the Australian public. But we're going to

0:49:57.080 --> 0:49:58.960
<v Speaker 3>catch up after the budget next week. I'll be in

0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:02.399
<v Speaker 3>camera for the budget. Great to see you. Thanks all right,

0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:06.640
<v Speaker 3>coming up, Israel strikes eighty terrorist targets in just ten minutes.

0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:09.920
<v Speaker 3>All the details with Deputy Foreign Minister SHARENN Haskell in

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<v Speaker 3>a moment