WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 18 August 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:07.480 From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live, Good evening, 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:10.639 Welcome to the show. Paul's having a quick break tonight, 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:12.880 but no worry, he'll be back here in the man 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:15.960 Cave with you as usual tomorrow night. I'm Steve Brice. 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.079 I'll also see you tomorrow night with Shari Markson. Look. 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:21.160 I hope you had a great weekend coming up. I've 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:25.320 got a tail for you of two cities. Two cities 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:28.400 we all know, just an hour's flight apart, or a 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:31.480 nine or so hour drive up or down the hum Highway, 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:35.080 depending on which direction you might be headed. But right 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:38.760 now they could not be more different. Also, as we 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:41.680 head into the second week of the new parliamentary sitting, 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.760 Yes they're back in Canberra tomorrow. The issue that is 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:48.919 dogging Anthony Albanisi and his government, I reckon it's got 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:51.720 a lot worse. Today when a senior cabinet minister ed 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:55.080 Husicky's in Cabinet on the front bench, he admitted that 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:59.600 Palestinians trying to get to Australia from more torn Gaza 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:05.720 are being given visitor visas, not refugee visus because and 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:10.319 this is a direct quote quote, they were faster to process. 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:15.280 Why visit a visus though, because they're faster to process, 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:20.360 Refugee visas take longer, and given what's happening right now 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.959 and the dangers presented, the view was to try and 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.120 get people out as quickly as you can. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.080 Well, isn't that the very problem the oppositions trying to 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:34.480 highlight here hurried visus being granted to people from Gaza 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:38.920 who might or might not be Hamas sympathizers. Now, Coalition 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.440 front bench of Michael Sukha was onto this. He was 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:44.959 on Sky this morning and you'd imagine this is a 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.520 again going to dominate Parliament this week. Posing I think 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.200 Suka was posing what I consider to be a pretty 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:54.240 valid question. He asked, was this a slip of the 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.760 tongue from Husick or was it a deliberate reveal to 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:01.760 allow the government to argue this week that these refugees 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:05.600 are short terms and when the conflict's over, they'll need 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:08.519 to go back to Gaza. Well, i'd make the point 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:11.799 go back to what now. Gaza is a bombed out 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.639 disaster's own Here's what Sukhar said in response to the 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.200 Heusick admission ed. 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:20.560 Husick seemed to bow the cat on that so they 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.120 could bring them in more quickly. He said that explicitly. Now, 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:25.440 I don't know if he said that accidentally. I don't 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.800 know if he was given talking points to say that, 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:33.080 or whether the truth d just slipped out, But basically 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:39.120 what he confirmed is we are circumventing the proper process 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.919 to ensure the integrity of our migration system and ultimately 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:46.760 to ensure the safety of Australians by having an expedited 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.360 process that we know for a fact means some people 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.120 have arrived here with no face to face checks. 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:57.040 Michael Suka nailing it there. I mean, the opposition's clearly 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.560 concerned about the security aspects of these rush us. We 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:03.680 order all be concerned about that, and they're right to 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.760 make the point that Labor is playing to its Muslim 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:10.320 constituency to try and shure up votes in any upcoming election, 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.680 whenever that might be. But I would also issue just 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.640 here a cautious warning to Peter Dutton and his crew, 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:21.639 including people like Suka, don't lose the site. And you've 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:25.200 heard Paul Murray say this over and over and over again, 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.280 don't lose sight of the fact that in wider Australia, 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:33.480 voters are much much more worried about paying for their mortgage, 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.600 paying for their petrol and grocery bills, and paying for 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:40.200 the cost of gas and electricity than they are about 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:43.520 gaza and visas. Now I'll raise the gaza issue with 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:45.480 our guests tonight. We've got a great couple of panels 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:49.560 coming up. One Nation's James Ashby, Christy McSweeney, Garth Hamilton 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:53.120 and David Limbrick. But first I mentioned this at the 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:56.520 start of the program tonight. Australia's two biggest cities by 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:01.920 population and area, obviously our Sydney and Melbourne. Now Melbourne 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:06.080 is already or about has already overtaken Sydney on population, 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.800 and it's headed staggeringly, in my view, in ten years time, 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:13.000 to have eight million people or more in that city. Now, 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.159 there's always been friendly rivalry and not so friendly rivalry 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.600 between the two places. I mean, I've worked for a 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.040 long time in Sydney, I've worked for a long time 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:25.919 in Melbourne. Now Sydney is seen as flasher, more spectacularly 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:30.279 beautiful and a truly international destination, while Melbourne likes to 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:34.120 paint itself as the sporting and cultural capital of Australia 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.680 a little classier than its northern rival. I've never worried 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:42.080 about such trivia, but something very different has happened to 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:46.240 blow all that up today, and Melbourne is still suffering 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.960 in my view for the longest COVID lockdowns on the planet, 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:53.880 enforced by Dictator Premier Daniel Andrews and now led by 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:57.440 Decinda Allen from the hard left is with a little exaggeration, 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:01.320 Victoria and I live there is a debt ridden mess. 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:04.440 Now this is where my tale of two cities example 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:09.120 comes in. Here and right now, as of tomorrow, the 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:12.080 example of how Sydney has wrought ahead of a bust 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.960 that ask Melbourne comes to life when Sydney's Metro City 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.640 Southwest project springs to life. Now it was first conceived 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.880 back in twenty twelve. Yes it's late, and yes it's 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:29.080 over budget, but guess what from tomorrow trains trains, remember trains, 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:33.520 They will actually run, carrying people from the northwestern suburbs 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.680 to the city and further south. And in the reverse order, 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.200 many of the passengers might even be public servants ordered 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.920 back to the office by Premier Chris Men's a couple 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.120 weeks back. I'll have more of that in a second. 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:50.240 But the twenty one billion dollar project, Stage one includes 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:54.520 two eight hundred meter long tunnels dug under Sydney Harbor, 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:59.679 an engineering masterpiece. Now these tunnels will carry forty five 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.599 driverless trains. Now, these trains are going to run every 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:07.600 four minutes at one hundred kilometers an hour through six stations, 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.800 with passenger protecting glass panels along the fifteen point five 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.000 k of tunnels so that passengers don't fall off the 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:19.839 tracks in front of these driverless trains. Starts tomorrow tomorrow. 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:24.320 Yes it's late, Yes it's more expensive, but it sits 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:29.160 with the renovated city stops like wind in Central. If 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:32.200 you've been to them recently, they're magnificent and it actually 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.160 does what it was designed to do, move huge numbers 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:39.520 of people from distant outer suburbs to city hubs to 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.960 get to work. Fancy that enjoy the experience. 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.440 It'll be a major change for Sydney. It'll be a 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.479 big step forward, and I want to congratulate everybody that's 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:52.679 works so hard on bringing this major project to fruition. 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:55.520 It's a huge piece of infrastructure for the state. So 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:57.760 the Metro team I know are excited about the opening 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:01.279 date despite its delay of a couple But we're here today. 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.479 Chris Ben's who I think does an outstanding job in 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:08.320 your South Wales. Now, compare the historic first trips that 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.000 people are going to take tomorrow, and they're predicting the 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.200 first trains by the way, I'll head off in both 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.360 directions from Sydneham and from the Northwest at about four 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.680 fifty eight in the morning. Compare these historic first trips 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:25.160 tomorrow with Melbourne's suburban rail loop. Now, that was a 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:29.040 project that was originally conceived under the boot of Daniel Andrews. 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:33.920 It's costed at fifty billion dollars. Originally they said we 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.840 could build this thing for fifty billion dollars. Now believed 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.280 although no one has seen a business case, can you 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.560 believe it? No one has seen that. It's costed at 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:46.600 an eye watering two hundred and sixteen zero point seven 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:51.480 billion dollars, and Stage one alone has costed at forty billion. 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.560 So you've got Sydney Stage one twenty one billion dollars 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:59.400 and trains running tomorrow driverless underneath Sydney Harbor. And you've 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:03.640 got Stage on one Melbourne at forty million running from 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.840 Cheltenham in Melbourne southeast to box Hill. Now, this has 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.360 been described as a trip from somewhere no one wants 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.520 to go to to a place no one wants to 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.720 get to. It's always been a political project. It was 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:22.720 designed to win labor seats along that particular route. It's political, 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:28.320 not practical. It's pork barreling, not public interest. Worse, there's 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.880 no business case, and the federal government labor as it is, 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:37.600 is withholding funding through Infrastructure Australia because they won't produce 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:40.720 a business case for this massive project. And remember, by 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.480 the way, the Reserve Bank Governor Michelle Bullock has said 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:48.480 that state spending on infrastructure is driving inflation, which makes 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:52.079 your trip to the supermarket more expensive. Now Premier Allen 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.679 is wedded to this thing, even as members of her 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:59.439 own government urge a pause or better even a cancelation 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.640 because Victoria cannot afford it. 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:09.680 But if our ambition has to some extent exceeded the 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:13.280 capacity of the industry to deliver it, well, that's a 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.600 matter that we need to recognize and to be upfront 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:17.400 with people about. 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:21.040 That's tim palace. He's been treasured for ten years. States 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:24.319 broke busted economy. He had to rush off to New 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:28.000 York on an emergency trip to talk to the ratings agencies, 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:33.120 so the ratings of Victoria economically were not downgraded. Now 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.640 think about this for a moment. Sydney tomorrow trains running 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.680 tunnels under the harbor. Imagine what a feat that was. 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:43.400 One hundred kilometers an hour they go at driverless trains. 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.439 I'm not sure the unions are all that happy about that. 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:49.000 They run every four minutes. Melbourne a hole in the 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:52.240 ground that will make the state government broken than it 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.800 already is. What a contrast. But it doesn't stop there, 0:09:56.280 --> 0:10:00.520 this tale of two cities. Take public servants working from 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.640 home now. A week or so ago, Chrismins, who I 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.679 mentioned before in New South Wales, said, look, enough's enough. 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:09.920 All of you public servants in your tracksuit pants at 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.600 home wearing your rug boots. You've got to go back 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.440 to the office, not tomorrow, but straight away. 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.280 This is about building up a culture in the public 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:24.280 service that's about teamwork, a common and shared sense of purpose, 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.360 as well as mentoring the next generation of young public 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:31.679 servants coming through. We've made this decision after long consultation, 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.839 but we think it's absolutely essential for the future of 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:38.079 the public service in New South Wales to have people 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.720 who join it who can work with their colleagues in 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:42.920 a face to face manner. 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.200 You see the logic there from Chrismins. There's not much 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.200 point spending billions of dollars on a fast train or 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:53.320 fast trains at great expense to the taxpayer if people 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:56.160 aren't using them to get to work. Not only did 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.040 he say get back to work, but he said get 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.760 back to work by tomorrow, not next week, not next month, tomorrow. 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:04.960 Compare that with Victoria, and you will not believe what 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.439 I am about to tell you. Not only did the 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.400 premiere of Victoria just Cinda Allen rule out ordering anyone 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.400 on the public payroll to do anything. In fact, she 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:16.480 said that she was happy that they went to work 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:20.080 three days a week. She said she supported the current 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:24.720 do as you please for Victoria's public service. We then learn, 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:28.679 and this is where it gets nonsensical. We learn at 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.000 the weekend that the public servants of Victoria with their 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:37.240 latest EBA, their work agreement, they get a four percent 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.960 and you'll pay increase every year for the next three years. 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.040 But there was an extra sweetener put in there that 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.880 most people until the weekend had forgotten about. It's locked 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.520 away in that deal. Now, don't choke on your Sunday 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:55.520 roast if you're still eating dinner. Fifty four thousand Victorian 0:11:55.600 --> 0:12:02.080 public servants, we'll each get number here. Victorian public servants 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:06.559 will each get a cost of living one off lump, 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:11.840 some payment of wait for it, five thousand, six hundred dollars. 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.839 How would you like six hundred dollars as a one 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.480 off cost of living expense? Wouldn't that go a long 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.080 way to paying off part of the mortgage ury electricity bill. 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.280 This is at a cost of Victorian taxpayers, by the way, 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:27.440 in excess of three hundred million dollars. It's staggering. And 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:31.160 again it's not good economics. It's just good politics when 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.199 you think it through. Who's going to vote out of 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.600 state government that keeps handing out free money? And this 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.880 from a mob who are broke and in danger of 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:43.560 having their credit rating ripped up? In New South Wales 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.520 are relatively sensible. They don't do everything right, but are 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:50.240 relatively sensible center right government as opposed to a hard 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:54.680 left ten year Victorian government plunging their state into bankruptcy. 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:59.280 I ask you compare the pair, well, you just don't 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.240 believe it, can you. Let's get into this first with 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.959 my panel tonight. Joining me now James Ashbury, chief of 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:07.280 Staff for One Nation, and Christy McSweeney from PR Council. 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.840 Welcome to you both. Christy, let me start with you. 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.240 Will you aware the public service in Victoria? Fifty four 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.360 thousand of them we're going to be handed at five 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.960 six hundred dollars check each of them paid for by 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:20.319 you and. 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:25.320 I, Steve, I absolutely was not aware of that, So 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.640 thank you for brilliant to light. And as someone who 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:31.080 lives in Melbourne and has lived in Sydney as well 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:34.120 for well over a decade, I will take your points 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:37.920 and I'll raise you another one. Let's just compare Docklands 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.880 to Barangaro. Let's have a look at what Sydney's been 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:45.040 able to do with what was traditionally and previously a 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:50.120 train a rail yard compared to what Melbourne's been able 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.839 to do to populate Docklands. And of course your points 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:57.600 about the public services, well, the hard left Victorian government 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:02.280 here is absolutely beholden to public sector unions in a 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:08.679 way that the New South Wales government's successive governments are not, 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.280 and I commend Chris Min's It's not very hard to 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.640 vote for him at the moment. Is it for getting 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.280 the public servants back to work? And another point I 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.800 want to raise, he might be seeing what's coming down 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:25.040 the line with governments being directed not to utilize consultancies 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:28.720 of the Big four so much. He wants to build 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:32.200 a public service capability. He wants the public servants to 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.480 do what they're supposed to do to curb the spending 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:39.600 that state governments have outsourcing what their public servants should 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.720 do to Big four consultancies who are ripping off the 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:45.720 taxpayer to the nth degree. 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.880 James, welcome to the man Cave on this Sunday night. 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:53.280 When you think this through, I mean the previous Labor 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:58.120 opposition in Canberra used to scream about what Scott Morrison 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:01.400 and the former Morrison government we're doing in terms of 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:05.800 pork barreling. You know, they talked about car parks that 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.920 were funded to be built in railway stations that never 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.000 got built, or if they were built, they were in 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:15.520 electrics that they wanted to win. But the Victorian Labor 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.920 government is doing this on a bigger scale than I 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:23.240 think we've ever seen in Australia that ridiculous suburban rail 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:28.800 loop is across a bunch of south eastern suburban Melbourne 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:32.160 suburbs that they want to either retain as labor voters 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.680 or get people to vote for them in those seats, 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.400 and they're giving out cash to the public service. I mean, 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.320 if you're in the public service and the government's sending 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.480 you six hundred dollars in one hundred dollar notes in 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:48.320 an envelope in your bank account, you're hardly going to 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.920 vote them out, are you. 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:51.040 No? 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:56.040 Exactly right, I find that extraordinary five thousand dollars bonus 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:58.000 at this time of the year when everybody else is 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.000 doing it tough. I know a whole lot of people 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.960 sleeping along the Rocky riverbank tonight that would love a 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.360 five thousand dollars injection here in Queensland, that's for sure. 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:08.760 But you know, this is a state that in effect, 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.640 if they are a business, they would be trading insolvent, 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.320 that's how in debt they are, and there is no 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:16.480 recovery rate at the moment. I think a lot of 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.840 people out there in business would love just this never 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:22.320 ending blank checkbook that the Victorian government seem to have. 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.280 But these rail projects right. 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:28.680 Across the country, not just in Victoria, but take for example, 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:33.120 the Inland Rail are causing significant headaches for governments. Federal 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.320 government can't get their act together on this one either. 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.880 Mind you, when you compare the two projects. Inland Rail 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:44.000 as a sixteen hundred kilometer rail track that's been built 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:48.280 at a cost of thirty billion dollars, it's still years off. 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.240 They're only about a fifth of the way through. But 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:53.440 again it's creating problems. This is the rare link from 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:58.920 Melbourne to Brisbane, and rail is definitely a great way 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.480 to get people around, way to get more cargo around 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:06.480 the country as well. But these cost blowouts just seem 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:10.280 to be astounding. And Victoria you take the cake, you 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.280 win the prize for the biggest blowouts. It's just extraordinary, 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:16.240 no wonder. I was at the Emmy Park Markets today, Steve. 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.840 I ran into more Victorians here today than I've ever 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:22.199 run into before. They're migrating north. You can keep your 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.119 lefties down there with you. We'll take all the conservatives 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:26.400 here in Queensland. That's all I. 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:29.400 Say, no doubt about that. James Christy, you know that. 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.240 I mean, look I'm agnostic here. I love both Sydney 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.520 and Melbourne, and I come from Adelaide, so I love 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:36.919 all three. I've never lived in Brisbane. But when you 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.000 come to Sydney and I'm in Sydney obviously in Paul's 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:43.119 man cave tonight, when you come to Sydney and compare 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.800 it directly day on day with Melbourne, Melbourne at the 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:51.160 moment is covered in graffiti, it's got a war going 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:53.159 on with It's Melbourne City Council who don't know what 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.760 they're going to do, and the policies of the people 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.760 trying to get elected are just insane. And Nicholas Reese 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.239 has come up some mad power our idea that I 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:05.200 can't understand. But you go to the two main train 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:09.560 stations Christie in Melbourne, Flinders Street and Southern Cross Station. 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.560 Compare those to I don't know if you've been recently, 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.720 the Central station in Sydney where you get the Airport 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.520 train that also Melbourne doesn't have and never will have. 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.560 Or you go to Wynyard Station where it opens up 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:25.320 into Barangaroo that you mentioned. The two places are like 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.880 light and shade. There's no comparison anymore. 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.840 It's incredible isn't it. I'm like you. I'm from Western Australia. 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.160 As you know, I lived in Sydney for over a decade. 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.400 I've lived in Melbourne for over a decade here too. 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:43.280 I love going to Sydney. Sydney viewers won't realize that. 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.160 You know, if you come to Melbourne, you can't tap 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:50.320 your MasterCard or your Visa card at a train station 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.639 and get on a train like you can in every 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.639 other global city in the world. You have to have 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:59.479 what's called a mikey, which was so badly managed by 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:03.800 the previous labor government that they had to pay compensation 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:09.920 to the mighty system administrators because it doesn't work properly. 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:14.360 So you can't do any of those amazing things that 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:16.680 the New South Wales government. And I will give credit 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.000 to the previous New South Wales Labor government, but of 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:23.359 course it was almost wholly implemented by Victor Dominello the 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:27.160 Department of Customer Service. With New South Wales Transport, this 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:34.280 incredible global transport system, digitally integrated that you have running 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:40.640 in New South Wales Melbourne is like a communist historic utopia, 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:47.119 lover's paradise. The trains are not flash they don't really 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:52.840 run on time. It's gritty, it's bleak. The infrastructure is 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:57.480 certainly not beautiful and dazzling like we see in Sydney. 0:19:57.600 --> 0:19:59.480 If you like that sort of thing, perhaps that's a 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.040 new it's a Victoria ad And as I said, I 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:03.640 live here, I love it. 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:06.200 But goshhocking real estate agent. 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:10.399 We can stick we could stick on the number we 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:15.159 can stick on the number plates. Victoria the graffiti state James. 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:17.399 Katie Gallagher is out today saying she's not going to 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:21.560 reign in states like Victoria over all this infrastructure spending, 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:26.040 although clearly it's contributing to inflation. She said, quote the Treasurer, 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:29.080 and I don't really tell other administrations or other governments 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.159 how to do their job. Hello, James, Surely the federal 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:36.400 government's going to say to Victoria, guys, you're broke. What 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:37.720 the hell do you think you're doing? 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:43.480 Well, this is the problem you've got. 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:47.040 These EBAs been drawn up by the state governments here 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:51.280 that are paying lollipop people traffic controllers one hundred and 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:52.440 eighty thousand dollars a year. 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:54.680 That is adding to the inflation. 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:58.119 Let alone some of the government policies that labor have 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:01.359 rolled out in previous governments as well. NDIS comes to 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:03.880 mind straight away that is definitely feeding inflation. 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:06.280 In fact, we've got issues here in. 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:10.359 Queensland where the NDIS has taken people away from jobs. 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:13.160 I was only at the Endeavor Foundation the other day 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:16.080 where a lot of those people that would have previously 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:20.000 worked in the Endeavor Foundation now I've got these ub 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:23.880 NDIS packages, So they're off to the movies, they're off fishing, 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:27.040 they've got their carers there and they're adding to this 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:29.119 inflationary bubble. 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:33.280 Because it's just it's not worth working these days. 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:35.880 You can get one of those packages and you're encouraged 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:38.880 to go and spend copious amounts of money. We've got 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:42.040 some people on packages well over a million dollars. Some 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:45.199 people are using sex workers, others just going to the 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:49.000 movies and doing trips wherever they tend to like to go. 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:51.480 So all these things are inflationary. 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.880 They've been stimulated by federal government as well as the state. 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:58.800 So Cadi Gallagher does have something to answer and she 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:00.600 should pull her head in. 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:04.760 Christy. Let's talk about the immigration debate. There was an 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:08.600 interesting article in the Australian Inquirer section this week about 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:11.639 how much traction Peter Dutton's getting out of the visa 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:15.160 and immigration debacles for Labor. Dennis Shanahan, who have got 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:18.560 great regard for He's written that Dutton has been demonstrating 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:23.320 a superior strategic sense, a fearless confidence in his political judgment, 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:26.439 and a sense of leadership security in a team that 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:29.399 may lack talent. They'll love that, but has grown to 0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:34.840 trust Dutton's instincts. Shanahan, right, is Dutton and I did 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:37.200 make the point both of you. I'll get your comments 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.400 on this. I did make the point at the start 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:41.800 that I think they've got to remember as Paul Murray 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:44.480 keeps reminding them that the number one issue still has 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:46.200 to be cost of living. I think you'd both agree 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:48.960 with that. But what do you think, Christy. Is Dutton 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:51.560 making traction on the immigration argument? 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:57.760 He is making traction. It's really interesting that Labour's had 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:00.880 edge husic out the member for chiefly which includes Western 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:05.159 Sydney suburbs such as Bankstown and Mount Drill, which have 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:09.760 a significant population of people who are very likely to 0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:16.440 fall into the viewpoint of supporting the Free Palestine movement, 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:22.120 and certainly those electorates are targeted for the Muslim Voice 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:27.560 Party should it get its administration together in time and 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:30.920 pose a threat to the Labor Party. That's another argument. 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:35.640 But they've had husic out saying we gave people visitor 0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:38.679 visas because they are easier to process. As you mentioned 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:44.080