Speaker 1: On Scaring Wilds Australia.
Speaker 2: This is the winder Panety Show. Good evening and welcome
Speaker 2: to the reader. Panicky Show coming up tonight. Further fractures
Speaker 2: in the Albanesi government with a Labor senator defying the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister with inflammatory comments about the Israel Hamas War.
Speaker 2: Douglas Murray joins me shortly to discuss migration rates and
Speaker 2: why the will of the majority is consistently ignored. Hollywood
Speaker 2: A listers come out in support for canceled Oscar winner
Speaker 2: Kevin Spacey. I'll speak to Kinsey Schofield about that shortly
Speaker 2: and what is the most powerful interest group we've seen
Speaker 2: in this country. Nick Kata will join me to discuss that.
Speaker 2: But it's time to bring in Sky News contributor Kosher
Speaker 2: Gata for the day's big stories. Kosher Albia talking to
Speaker 2: Douglas Murray shortly about migration numbers. It's a massive issue
Speaker 2: across Europe, in the US, here in Australia and the
Speaker 2: ob and Easy government is under intense pressure to drastically
Speaker 2: cut net overseas migration from the record five hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty eight thousand we had last year to a promise
Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty thousand next year. But as Pauline
Speaker 2: Hanson noted on x, Labor doesn't have a great track
Speaker 2: record in predicting net migration numbers accurately. Over the past
Speaker 2: two years, migration has reached a record nine hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty three thousand, which is two hundred and eight thousand
Speaker 2: more than Labor anticipated. Hanson wrote two questions kosher I,
Speaker 2: can labor quit their high migration habit? They've seemed to
Speaker 2: have relied on that, and they're not allowing Coalition governments
Speaker 2: have also indulged in that activity. And can we trust
Speaker 2: their figures? Are their predictions so far out that it's
Speaker 2: almost a fantasy number at the moment.
Speaker 1: Probably a little bit of both. So the discrepancy in
Speaker 1: the numbers just fits what we've seen with government. They
Speaker 1: haven't exactly covered themselves in glory in terms of their
Speaker 1: ability to report numbers accurately and model as we've seen
Speaker 1: in many venues. The more cynical interpretation would be that
Speaker 1: maybe they well knew, but this is a very unpopular topic,
Speaker 1: so it's easier to, you know, sort of dampen the
Speaker 1: expectation a little bit and then say, ooh, sorry, even miscalculated.
Speaker 1: But be that as it may. Senator Hanson's point is
Speaker 1: very well taken. This is an issue all around the world.
Speaker 1: As you said, it's the issue of our time. And
Speaker 1: those numbers nine hundred and twenty three thousand is roughly
Speaker 1: the population Canberra. So a whole canbra is going to
Speaker 1: be hosted in Sydney and in Melbourne, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of where these migrants concentrate and all the stress that
Speaker 1: puts on infrastructure, on everything else, not to mention the
Speaker 1: fabric of the culture. And this is another topic that's
Speaker 1: very timely right now in terms of how these different
Speaker 1: groups come in. And then there's this more strife between
Speaker 1: groups ethnically as well. So all of that is a
Speaker 1: predictable consequence of this. Constituents don't want it, and yet
Speaker 1: it continues.
Speaker 2: Well you can say why the abes the government is
Speaker 2: pledging to drastically cut these numbers. They are getting prepared
Speaker 2: for the next federal election and they know this is
Speaker 2: an enormous issue out there. Now, let's talk about labor.
Speaker 2: Senator Fatima Payman, who is calling on the Alberanza government
Speaker 2: to sanction and disinvest from Israel, accusing the country of
Speaker 2: genocide against the Palestinian people.
Speaker 3: How many mass graves need to be uncovered before we
Speaker 3: say enough? How many images of bloody limbs of murdered
Speaker 3: children must we see? How many horrors need to be
Speaker 3: repeated before we feel that this should end. How many
Speaker 3: Palestinian lives are enough to call this violence against them terrorism?
Speaker 2: Koshasha also use the phrase from the river to the sea,
Speaker 2: which the Prime Minister has been clear to condemn, to
Speaker 2: say that it's a statement that promotes violence. And here
Speaker 2: has got a senator saying it.
Speaker 1: He's got a problem on his hands, as do his
Speaker 1: counterparts everywhere. So I look at the senator, the same
Speaker 1: thing with the United States Congress with Shida Tali bilan Omar.
Speaker 1: It comes downstream from immigration, that topic we talked about again.
Speaker 1: This is some of those longer term consequences, whether intended
Speaker 1: or unintended, coming home to roost in many ways, but
Speaker 1: right within the left side of politics and liberal democracies,
Speaker 1: it's really coming home to roost because there's a huge
Speaker 1: refracturing and realignment of the fault lines in that party.
Speaker 1: And I think that colors what you see in terms
Speaker 1: of their positions with respect to Israel with respect to
Speaker 1: protesters with all of that, because they're kind of speaking.
Speaker 1: They've become a two headed beast in their way and
Speaker 1: they're speaking to two factions that don't agree on this
Speaker 1: issue that's there.
Speaker 2: The Biden administration has got these issues as well and
Speaker 2: talking about the left of politics that it Ilyidia Thorpe
Speaker 2: has posted this image of herself with the message got
Speaker 2: my cafear on for Parliament today. Power to all the
Speaker 2: students camped down and everyone that's been coming to rallies
Speaker 2: and standing up for justice. Seamewondovic Labor for banning affairs
Speaker 2: in Parliament. There a real gammon lot. They are free Palestine. Really,
Speaker 2: the Australian Upper House is disgracing itself. What did Paul
Speaker 2: Keating call them an unrepresentative swell? I think it was
Speaker 2: being kind. Now let's move on to Albo evicting one
Speaker 2: of his tenants from one of his investment properties. This
Speaker 2: is an incredible story. Jim Flanagan was handled an eviction
Speaker 2: notice on the eighth of May to vacate the three
Speaker 2: bedroom townhouse where he's lived for four years. The PM
Speaker 2: has said I've had him in the property with the
Speaker 2: rent being about half. What is the market rent to
Speaker 2: keep him in for longer. So this is very interesting. Indeed,
Speaker 2: the PM must be a saint just giving away free
Speaker 2: rent there essentially. But I do question the wisdom of
Speaker 2: evicting a tenant during his prime minister ship. You would
Speaker 2: just think, yeah, sure, if you were an everyday ordinary
Speaker 2: person who wasn't in public office, you may make this decision.
Speaker 2: But the optics here are not great.
Speaker 1: That's a very interesting point. You could say that it's principled,
Speaker 1: and he's saying, hey, if you know, I want to
Speaker 1: evict my turn, and I'm going to do that, and
Speaker 1: I guess that's right. You could say it would be
Speaker 1: nice if Earlider showed principle consistency on all sorts of
Speaker 1: other issues, including ones that don't directly affect them. But
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's a fair argument on the
Speaker 1: facts of the case. It's as right as a landlord
Speaker 1: to do that. But the optics are interesting, and he's
Speaker 1: injected something that becomes a proxy story for all sorts
Speaker 1: of issues people have with housing and rent prices and
Speaker 1: cost of living and all of that. They can project
Speaker 1: onto those pain points, and he's invited that upon himself.
Speaker 2: And this is very different to that image of himself
Speaker 2: that is cultivated. You know, he grew up in a
Speaker 2: commission house. Yeah, he's Labour's socialist left faction, and yet
Speaker 2: he's got multimillion dollar investment properties. I'm not saying there's
Speaker 2: anything wrong with that. I'm just saying when you fight
Speaker 2: the culture wars and also you know, pay this image
Speaker 2: of fighting the Tories and the rich don't do this
Speaker 2: and the rich don't do that, and.
Speaker 1: You're part of the parlor around the world. The zip
Speaker 1: code outside DC is the wealthy a ship code in
Speaker 1: the world, one of them.
Speaker 4: It's the same same point absolutely Now.
Speaker 2: Liberals Senator Alex Antik has called out big tech companies
Speaker 2: who employ former intelligence employees and conspire with governments to
Speaker 2: censor and ban speech.
Speaker 5: Big tech is the perfect intersection between government, the ruling
Speaker 5: class and the intelligence services along with their mates in
Speaker 5: big business. You see what they want you to see.
Speaker 5: Australia is at the tip of the sphere of a
Speaker 5: global censorship movement, and I suspect that many who are
Speaker 5: involved are blissfully unaware and think that they're doing the
Speaker 5: right thing by shutting down and deleting so called miss
Speaker 5: and disinformation. But let's be clear, the government isn't thinking
Speaker 5: about your safety and it doesn't care about misinformation. What
Speaker 5: it cares about is making sure that you see in
Speaker 5: approved message at all times.
Speaker 2: What is said in Parliament this week has been established
Speaker 2: by investigative journalist Kosher, including Michael Schellenberger, who we've interviewed
Speaker 2: on this program. This is a huge issue because these
Speaker 2: platforms are now the digital public square. This is where
Speaker 2: people discuss issues, but this is where they find out information.
Speaker 1: It is He's one of the few elected leaders direct
Speaker 1: enough and brave enough to say that it really is
Speaker 1: a convergence of all these power structures. As he mentioned,
Speaker 1: it's a big tech. It's government people who eat in
Speaker 1: a bedit like the E Safety Commissioner and others, and
Speaker 1: just other people at the top the ruling class. I think,
Speaker 1: as he put it, is the issue. We've called it
Speaker 1: the battlefield of the century. In a way, it's another
Speaker 1: day in that movement. The problem is that for a
Speaker 1: country like Australia, certainly we shouldn't be eating in a
Speaker 1: betting things like with the E Safety Commissioner, but there's
Speaker 1: little recourse, little remedy. We really have in terms of
Speaker 1: trying to break up that power that big tech plays
Speaker 1: in it, since they're all headquartered in the United States,
Speaker 1: the belluy of the Beast, where something has to happen
Speaker 1: along the lines of anti trust law, along the lines
Speaker 1: of Section two thirty, where they're not penalized.
Speaker 2: Problem is, we seem to be among some of the
Speaker 2: worst in the free world in suppressing free speech. So
Speaker 2: not only are we not fighting it, we seem to
Speaker 2: be one of the worst in aiding and abetting it. Koshagator,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. Nexs Evening. Joining
Speaker 2: me now is the author of international best sellers The
Speaker 2: Strange Death of Europe, The Madness of Crowds, and his
Speaker 2: latest work, The War on the West. Douglas Murray. Let's
Speaker 2: start with immigration. It's a big issue in Australia. We're
Speaker 2: seeing record numbers of migrants coming in despite polls showing
Speaker 2: the majority of Australians want to see immigration numbers drop.
Speaker 2: And that is also the overwhelming sentiment across Europe, with
Speaker 2: a recent poll taken in March and April this year
Speaker 2: showing great opposition to not only illegal immigration but also
Speaker 2: the current volume of migrants coming into Europe, more than
Speaker 2: seventy percent said their country takes in too many migrants,
Speaker 2: and that includes countries as diverses are Sweden to Spain
Speaker 2: to Austria. The Greeks are the most opposed to their
Speaker 2: migration numbers. Ninety percent there say that country takes too
Speaker 2: many And yet Douglas, the will of the majority seems
Speaker 2: to be completely ignored, whether it's Australia or Europe, when
Speaker 2: it comes to migration policy, majority opinion doesn't seem to
Speaker 2: matter much.
Speaker 6: Absolutely reach and these latest findings in Australia and across
Speaker 6: Europe are replicated of course in America. I mean most
Speaker 6: people in the developed world, most people in the countries
Speaker 6: that people want to come to, are aware that we
Speaker 6: just can't take in all of the people who would
Speaker 6: like to come to our countries. I mean, Australia is
Speaker 6: in a much better position societally, financial, socially, and much
Speaker 6: more than most countries in the region. And it's the
Speaker 6: same with Europe. Europe's more prosperous, infinitely more prosperous, even
Speaker 6: at the lowest rung of the ladder than most of
Speaker 6: the countries that people come to therefrom and it's the
Speaker 6: same with America, with Central America and Southern America. And
Speaker 6: so the publics know this, but the political response, as
Speaker 6: you just refer to it, seems to always be, whoever
Speaker 6: you have in power, more of the same. I mean,
Speaker 6: there are occasionally prime ministers who and presidents who are
Speaker 6: able to slow down the flow, but even then it's
Speaker 6: to a barely manageable level. And what these political leaders
Speaker 6: don't realize is that the public know more than them.
Speaker 6: We the public sense in the decline in trust, in
Speaker 6: the decline in safety, in all sorts of things. We
Speaker 6: sense what the changes are that happen not when migration happens,
Speaker 6: but when too much migration happens, too fast, and often
Speaker 6: of the wrong kind. And I think you know, this
Speaker 6: is the big challenge of the twenty first century. So far,
Speaker 6: we haven't really thrown up politicians capable of dealing with it.
Speaker 2: And it seems those who screamed the loudest about threats
Speaker 2: to democracy very silent when it comes to the will
Speaker 2: of the majority here being ignored. In fact, they seem
Speaker 2: to be doing a lot to obstruct the will of
Speaker 2: the majority. Now let's talk about President Joe Biden, who
Speaker 2: is repeating a verifiable lie about inflation. He's repeated a
Speaker 2: lot of verifiable lies over the years. Is saying that
Speaker 2: it was nine percent when he came to office, when
Speaker 2: it was actually one point four percent. Karine Jean Pierre
Speaker 2: was asked to explain why the presidents repeated this lie.
Speaker 7: We got a lot of incoming on this yesterday, and
Speaker 7: look what the president was. The point that he was
Speaker 7: making is that the factors that caused inflation was in
Speaker 7: place when he walked in into the administration when he
Speaker 7: took office. As you know, the pandemic caused inflation around
Speaker 7: the world.
Speaker 2: Douglas. I know the US has much bigger issues to
Speaker 2: deal with right now, the border crisis, cost of living, crime,
Speaker 2: But a president who can't stop lying about verifiable data,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not something to be overlooked.
Speaker 6: Well, I would just say that, you know, the point
Speaker 6: of the White House spokesperson is meant to be to
Speaker 6: sort of be the mouthpiece of the president. Joe Biden
Speaker 6: has found a mouthpiece in Queen Jean Pierre, which I
Speaker 6: think even he must wonder at times whether what she's
Speaker 6: saying isn't gobbledegook or not. She's by no means the
Speaker 6: best interpreter of Joe Biden's statements, and goodness known, sometimes
Speaker 6: Joe Biden could do with a good interpreter. Yes, I mean,
Speaker 6: this is the sort of behavior which if it happened
Speaker 6: under a Republican president, it would all be you know,
Speaker 6: fact checking, the fact checkers and the Washington Posts to
Speaker 6: be explaining to everyone how democracy dies in darkness, and
Speaker 6: the BBC's Verify fact check would be on to it.
Speaker 6: But you know, old Joe Biden, Oh, it doesn't matter,
Speaker 6: and it can all be explained away incoherently by his
Speaker 6: by his spokesperson.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I even I felt a little bit sorry for
Speaker 2: her because I had you defend that. And yet but
Speaker 2: her explanation did not help the president or herself in
Speaker 2: any way.
Speaker 6: It could have been worse, could explained. It could have
Speaker 6: been explained by Kamala Harris, who would have who would
Speaker 6: have explained that the thing is that that the past
Speaker 6: has just gone before the present and the future is
Speaker 6: yet to come. And in a very real sense, the
Speaker 6: present is before the future and that's why inflation is there.
Speaker 2: And then we'll just have mad cackling for about sixty
Speaker 2: seconds after that. But let's stick with the Biden White House.
Speaker 2: They're in coherent and inconsistent decision making. Douglas, you've written
Speaker 2: about this about how the president says something that's very
Speaker 2: sound one minute and the next day he does something
Speaker 2: that's completely at odds with that. You talked about the
Speaker 2: wise words he said last week about Israel, and then
Speaker 2: within hours he was attempting to prevent Israel's victory in
Speaker 2: Gaza by withholding arm shipments. How do you explained this
Speaker 2: erratic behavior.
Speaker 6: Well, it's very strange. I mean, the best interpretation of
Speaker 6: it is for some time, and you and I have
Speaker 6: discussed this before, read it for sometime. The President has
Speaker 6: talked a bit of one talk and acted in another way. Now,
Speaker 6: those of us who want Israel to win in guards
Speaker 6: and against Hamas, sometimes you know that's the red has
Speaker 6: been unpleasant, but the actions have been supportive. So, for instance,
Speaker 6: at various times President Biden, we presume, has sent out,
Speaker 6: for instance, Chuck Schumer to be critical of the Israeli reaction.
Speaker 6: Occasionally Joe Biden has been critical himself, but he's done
Speaker 6: that in order it seems to plicate a bit of
Speaker 6: the base in his own party keep the students from
Speaker 6: going bananas all the time on campus and hope to
Speaker 6: get in in November, whilst at the same time supporting
Speaker 6: America's ally Israel. The thing that was different this past
Speaker 6: week has been that it flipped exactly the other way around.
Speaker 6: The rhetoric from the President on the day was very good,
Speaker 6: very supportive, all about standing by our allies and all
Speaker 6: that sort of thing, and then in the evening here
Speaker 6: he stopped the delivery of armed supplies to Israel. Now
Speaker 6: that is that is a very serious development because a
Speaker 6: lot of a lot of the sort of the talk,
Speaker 6: the chaff of the media cycle in America, you know,
Speaker 6: is performative. It's for the base, it's for a certain
Speaker 6: bit of the base. It's for the three or four
Speaker 6: people watching some of the smaller left wing networks. But
Speaker 6: the really difficult thing here, as I say, is that
Speaker 6: he actually he actually did something which he had always
Speaker 6: said he wouldn't do. He's always held himself out as
Speaker 6: a great ally of Israel in its fight for survival
Speaker 6: and its fight for victory over its enemies, and here
Speaker 6: he is in charge in the White House with holding
Speaker 6: arms at a time when Israel is pretty close to
Speaker 6: victory against him. As how you can say you're an
Speaker 6: ally and you're with someone til the bitter end, only
Speaker 6: to drop out at about last orders. I just do
Speaker 6: not know.
Speaker 2: And that's what worries me, because, as we know, actions
Speaker 2: are more important than words, and he has flipped that dynamic.
Speaker 2: And what would happen to Israel if they don't have
Speaker 2: made defeat her mass after seven months of this war,
Speaker 2: if if in the end Hamas isn't completely eradicated.
Speaker 6: Well, my view is, and I think it's a view
Speaker 6: that a lot of Israeli politicians and others feel, a
Speaker 6: lot of the Israeli public feel, is that you cannot
Speaker 6: destroy eighty percent of Hamaz. You cannot leave them in
Speaker 6: you cannot take them out of Gaza City, and you
Speaker 6: cannot take them out of a set of other towns
Speaker 6: and so on and leave them intact in Raffa. And
Speaker 6: Raffa is reckoned to be, not just where the remaining
Speaker 6: Israeli hostages are held, hostages who the rest of the
Speaker 6: world seems to have forgotten about, but the Israeli people
Speaker 6: quite rightly haven't. And there's no point in leaving that
Speaker 6: there and leaving the leaving those people there and leaving
Speaker 6: the heads of Hamaz, including it seems Sinoir, the mastermind
Speaker 6: of the seventh in Raffa. All it means is like
Speaker 6: putting out eighty percent of the fire, that you will
Speaker 6: that the Israelis will withdraw from Gaza and Hamas will
Speaker 6: grow back, will continue to subjugate the Palestinian population in Gaza,
Speaker 6: will continue to enrich themselves and will prepare for the
Speaker 6: next attack against Israel. And my prediction is that these
Speaker 6: you know, every other year wars that Hamaz has been
Speaker 6: provoking since it took control of the Gaza, would just
Speaker 6: go on. In that scenario, I think it is much
Speaker 6: better for the Israelis public and indeed for the Palestinian
Speaker 6: public in Gaza, that Hamas are done for, that it's over,
Speaker 6: and that other partners in the region can help in
Speaker 6: whatever way they can to rebuild the society there. It
Speaker 6: is not going to be an easy job, but it
Speaker 6: will be infinitely harder if Hamaz still have any kind
Speaker 6: of a stronghold. So preventing Israeli victory once again would
Speaker 6: lead only to another set of cycles of conflict, and
Speaker 6: I don't think that's desirable.
Speaker 2: No, it's not desirable for either party. Is As you explained.
Speaker 2: One thing we have seen in Israel though, is the
Speaker 2: willingness of its people to fight for the country. Young
Speaker 2: people are willing to risk their lives to defend their country.
Speaker 2: That's not a sentiment that is shared in the West.
Speaker 2: In the UK, only a quarter of young people twenty
Speaker 2: seven percent said they were willing to be enlisted to
Speaker 2: defend their country. And one doesn't I guess Douglas seek
Speaker 2: to protect what one doesn't value. And there's certainly a
Speaker 2: deep sense of self loathing among many young people for
Speaker 2: their own country, whether we're talking about the UK, the
Speaker 2: US or right here in Australia. What can be done
Speaker 2: to combat that? I feel that's such a destructive force
Speaker 2: with all sorts of long term dangers.
Speaker 6: Well, it has huge long term dangers. And I mean
Speaker 6: I spoke about this a bit when I was in
Speaker 6: Australia recently, but I mean the recent referendum in Australia
Speaker 6: was a very very important blow to the people who
Speaker 6: would like to make all people in West and democracies,
Speaker 6: only in Western democracies feel utterly wretched about everything about us,
Speaker 6: to make everybody in the majority feel that we're usurpers
Speaker 6: and colonizers and genocidists, and all of these other outrageous claims,
Speaker 6: always claims made against the most free and the most
Speaker 6: fair societies on Earth. But this has been done for
Speaker 6: more than a generation. Now. You tell young Australians that
Speaker 6: they have no right to the land. You tell young
Speaker 6: Americans that they're they're just there because they usurped the
Speaker 6: native peoples. You tell Europeans, even when they are the
Speaker 6: native peoples, that although they are the native peoples, they
Speaker 6: should be themselves userped go on and on like that,
Speaker 6: And of course, of course you're going to have a
Speaker 6: lot of young people who think, well, why on Earth
Speaker 6: would I risk my life for a country I've been
Speaker 6: told it's rotten from the beginning. I think we need
Speaker 6: to turn this whole thing around, and I think it
Speaker 6: can be turned around. The young Israelis have shown it
Speaker 6: can be turned around. They've shown that when it really
Speaker 6: comes to brutal reality in your face, you can stand
Speaker 6: up and fight, and the young Israelis have I hope
Speaker 6: that it never comes to that for young Australians and
Speaker 6: Americans and Canadians and British and Europeans. But if it
Speaker 6: did that we would be tested, and I think a
Speaker 6: lot of people would fail that test because they've been
Speaker 6: taught to fail that test.
Speaker 4: They have.
Speaker 2: Man, we've had this poison in academia and elsewhere for decades.
Speaker 2: So I'm glad you you believe it can be turned around.
Speaker 2: I do have my doubts. Now before you go, I've
Speaker 2: got to ask you about this ongoing sham trial of
Speaker 2: former President Donald Trump. It's continuing in Manhattan. We've had
Speaker 2: Stormy Daniels testifyer much of a testimony, salacious details that
Speaker 2: have completely relevant to the case. We've had serial Purjura
Speaker 2: and Michael Cohen understand, and it seems everyone is resigned
Speaker 2: to the fact that this is some sort of a
Speaker 2: show trial. It's a political case as much as anything.
Speaker 2: Former federal prosecutor Andrew C. McCarthy wrote in The New
Speaker 2: York Post that New Yorkers should be outraged at the
Speaker 2: mockery District Attorney Alvin Bragg is making of the state's
Speaker 2: legal system as the entire country looks on Douglas. The
Speaker 2: entire country is looking on but whatever the Democrats are
Speaker 2: trying to achieve here seems to be backfiring. Because the
Speaker 2: polls are pretty clear Trump is increasing his lead, particularly
Speaker 2: in those crucial swing states.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's an extraordinary miscalculation by Democrat prosecutors and others.
Speaker 6: As you say, as these trials go on, Trump's lead
Speaker 6: seems to strengthen. Some people say, might wonder why that is,
Speaker 6: and I think it's got It's a couple of things.
Speaker 6: One is, a lot of Americans have had themselves, have
Speaker 6: had bad experiences with the justice system, and so the
Speaker 6: idea that the justice system can be in some way
Speaker 6: rigged is a claim that they're sort of open to
Speaker 6: in a way that I think in Australia and Britain
Speaker 6: we sort of wouldn't be. But the second is that
Speaker 6: you see people like Da Bragg effectively putting on a
Speaker 6: trial in search of a crime. And that's what this
Speaker 6: that's what this trial has been. It's a trial in
Speaker 6: search of a crime. And Stormy Daniels took the stand
Speaker 6: not because she had anything new to say, although she
Speaker 6: did actually contradict previous testimony she'd given, but because of
Speaker 6: course it was meant to humiliate Donald Trump. There were
Speaker 6: salacious details and you know, frankly, I mean most people
Speaker 6: would be humiliated to hear even these allegations made against
Speaker 6: him against themselves. Trump as ever amazingly sort of has
Speaker 6: this ability to brush it off. If I were the
Speaker 6: Democrats and others, I would start to be worrying about
Speaker 6: this whole tactic, this whole tactic of let's take him
Speaker 6: out by judicial means. There's all sorts of criticisms that
Speaker 6: can be made in every direction here, But the ultimate
Speaker 6: issue in America is the people. The people get to decide.
Speaker 6: They get to decide who to vote for, and eventually
Speaker 6: who they do vote for. It's not up to Da Bragg,
Speaker 6: it's not up to anyone else. It's up to the
Speaker 6: American public and they may yet surprise the world.
Speaker 8: Well.
Speaker 2: I think that's what the Democrats are scared of that
Speaker 2: I want the American public to decide. And I think
Speaker 2: they were counting on a criminal conviction sealing the deal.
Speaker 2: But I don't think even if that eventually is it's
Speaker 2: going to make a difference. Douglas Murray, thank you so
Speaker 2: much for your time this.
Speaker 6: Evening, Great pleasures always.
Speaker 2: Thank you still to come and lefties losing us pass?
Speaker 2: What is the most powerful interest group we've seen in
Speaker 2: this country? Nick Kta joins me from Finland. Welcome back.
Speaker 2: It's time for lefties losing it. And I've featured this
Speaker 2: transactivist and self indulgent narcissist previously. You'll remember him because
Speaker 2: he harassed waiters who misgentered him.
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Speaker 9: it's like a knife in the heart.
Speaker 10: I also did specifically ask ahead of time not to
Speaker 10: be called sir.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm just gonna go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the sweet water start, okay.
Speaker 9: I mean it is always like a knife. It always
Speaker 9: hurts every single time. I was wondering if there's a
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Speaker 9: I was called sir. Yeah, I'm not sir, not sir,
Speaker 9: not sir.
Speaker 10: But the guy who dropped me the food off he
Speaker 10: called me sir twice in a row.
Speaker 2: Yes, that attention seeking activist has taken a break from
Speaker 2: complaining about minimum weight workers misgendering him to film this
Speaker 2: depravity at Disneyland, of all places. Listen to this description
Speaker 2: of forthcoming surgeries.
Speaker 9: I'm going to get banned from Disney. That's where we're
Speaker 9: about to get banned from Disney.
Speaker 10: Last summer I got my kick Pops removed and the
Speaker 10: plan up until recently was to get my marshmallow wand
Speaker 10: reconfigured into a marshmallow tunnel. Unfortunately, a few weeks ago,
Speaker 10: I noticed some hairy growth on my marshmallow wand that's
Speaker 10: bad because the outside of the wand is what becomes
Speaker 10: the inside of the tunnel, so you don't want hair
Speaker 10: growing there or else.
Speaker 4: It's very uncomfortable.
Speaker 10: So I talked to my surgeon and he said that
Speaker 10: it would be best to postpone the procedure until after
Speaker 10: hair removal is complete. This is obviously just pointing, because
Speaker 10: I was really excited to have a marshmallow tunnel sooner.
Speaker 9: That being said, it is still happening. We're just not
Speaker 9: sure when it's happening.
Speaker 10: Harr removal is a fickle thing and it's really hard
Speaker 10: to predict when it will finish. But my hair removal
Speaker 10: technician thinks it will be before the end of the year.
Speaker 10: So fingers christ.
Speaker 2: That is the definition of TMI. Too much information. Now,
Speaker 2: I must confess. When I first saw this next clip,
Speaker 2: I was convinced it was a fake, a deep fake,
Speaker 2: a work of parody. AI. Perhaps, surely this couldn't be real.
Speaker 2: Surely someone working in academia couldn't be so semi literate
Speaker 2: to the point where they can't even pronounce the names
Speaker 2: of their students, the simplest of names, including the school's name,
Speaker 2: Thomas Thomas Jefferson University. This is what happened at the
Speaker 2: school's College of Nursing graduation ceremony. Listen to how this
Speaker 2: present to mispronounces the easiest of names.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: The first graduate we'll see there is called Megan Aubrey.
Speaker 11: Mi Genelu Iabre Jessicu Lynn Bouer, Eliah, Benemonn, Alisoner, Carl Bishop, Victoria,
Speaker 11: Lee Zuper Brass.
Speaker 2: So we have badly mangled names like Elizabeth, Alison, Jessica.
Speaker 2: Surely it can't get worse, but it can. It can.
Speaker 2: Listen to her try to pronounce Molly Elizabeth, My.
Speaker 11: Lena, Zebeth Camp.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
Speaker 9: Our Son care.
Speaker 11: Camp Bull mm hmm, Tom Mould me m Thomas, Thomas.
Speaker 2: Thomas. The kid's name is Thomas is graduating from Thomas
Speaker 2: Jefferson University. Thomas Jefferson must be a spinning in his
Speaker 2: grave as we speak now. It has been an apology
Speaker 2: from the university, and the explanation they gave is that
Speaker 2: the presenters cards have phonetic spellings of the graduates' names. Really,
Speaker 2: Thomas and Molly and Allison that they need special I'm
Speaker 2: not buying the explanation. I don't know what was going
Speaker 2: on there. I'm always mispronouncing things. But you know, English
Speaker 2: is a second language. That's a good excuse. That wasn't
Speaker 2: the case there. The whole catastrophe reminds me of this
Speaker 2: classic role call sketch from Key and Peel Blockey.
Speaker 6: Where is Blocke? No Blocke here today?
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, my name's Blake.
Speaker 4: Are you out of your goddamn mind?
Speaker 6: Now? D Nice?
Speaker 2: Do you mean Denise number?
Speaker 12: You said your name right?
Speaker 6: Right now?
Speaker 1: Denise say right, Denise rectly Denise de.
Speaker 6: Nice.
Speaker 12: That's better?
Speaker 9: Thank you?
Speaker 11: Now?
Speaker 2: Remember when Transactive is still in Mulvany escape to Peru
Speaker 2: to get away from the hate in America.
Speaker 12: Okay, surprise, I'm in Peru and I met Macho picchu.
Speaker 12: Isn't this just so beautiful? I'm here by myself. I've
Speaker 12: seen a lot of lamas and the people here are
Speaker 12: so kind. I feel very safe here. It's a little
Speaker 12: sad that I had to leave my country to feel safe,
Speaker 12: but that will get better. Eventually, and I am dying
Speaker 12: for some Trader Joe's rolled chili lime chips. But other
Speaker 12: than that, I am so content. Still haven't been kissed yet,
Speaker 12: but I'm holding out hope and most of all, you know,
Speaker 12: this trip has just has me feeling like I'm my
Speaker 12: own best friend again, and that is the best feeling
Speaker 12: in the world. And I hope that you feel that
Speaker 12: way about yourself too.
Speaker 2: But we haven't heard from Dylan since Peru officially classified transgender,
Speaker 2: non binary and into sex people as mentally ill. It's
Speaker 2: a decision that has been slammed by LGBTQ plus activist
Speaker 2: groups across Peru, who say it is a major step
Speaker 2: backward in the fight for their rights and safety. Now
Speaker 2: to an old ad that has gone viral again, and
Speaker 2: one can understand why. Here is a Malaysian shampoo commercial
Speaker 2: that is well, it's different.
Speaker 8: Yahdalug pashu, good lord.
Speaker 2: Even the Taliban can't be upset by that modesty. First, now,
Speaker 2: let's go to Santiago, Chili, where these women are dancing
Speaker 2: for Palestine. If they dressed and danced like this in Gaza,
Speaker 2: that'd be shot by her mask. But go crazy, ladies,
Speaker 2: and we do regularly feature the ladies of the view.
Speaker 2: In this portion of the show, they say so many
Speaker 2: stupid things. But it's not just the female host. Their guests,
Speaker 2: male or female, also to say stupid stuff. Here is
Speaker 2: ABC hosts and Democrat operative George Stephanopoulos admitting that the
Speaker 2: deep state is real and it's beautiful.
Speaker 13: And these are people that come the relatively young people
Speaker 13: who come from all over the government, the CIA, the DA,
Speaker 13: Defense Department, military, and you know, some people like to
Speaker 13: call those people the deep state deep state. Well, the
Speaker 13: big thing I learned doing this book is that the
Speaker 13: deep state is packed with patriots, people who go to
Speaker 13: work every single day on the front lines of the
Speaker 13: most intense crises the country faces, and do it to
Speaker 13: serve their country.
Speaker 2: It wasn't too long ago that if you mentioned the
Speaker 2: deep state, it'd be called some crazy conspiracy theorists. But
Speaker 2: here we are. George says, they exist, and they're patriots,
Speaker 2: patriots who hate America. Now to a couple of funny
Speaker 2: comics who are off the left, but they're still droll
Speaker 2: and clever and generally like by all sides of politics.
Speaker 2: Bill Burr and Bill Maher came together for Mars podcast
Speaker 2: but it didn't go as well as you'd expect.
Speaker 10: First of all, I don't think you could change the
Speaker 10: oil in a car, So let's talk about an architecture like.
Speaker 4: Plants, and I wouldn't want to.
Speaker 9: Oh, let me adjust my glasses. Can I tell you something, Bill,
Speaker 9: Most of the you say is not smart. It's just
Speaker 9: sort of obscure.
Speaker 14: It's not obscure the percentage of people giant.
Speaker 6: I'm just I know you're not that smart.
Speaker 2: Those two mens seem to like each other. I don't
Speaker 2: think that whole weirdly passive aggressive dynamic was put on.
Speaker 2: It seemed drill to me. Joining me now a senior
Speaker 2: fellow at the Men'sies Research Center, journalist and author Nick Kaita.
Speaker 2: Nick you wrote a fascinating piece for The Australian newspaper
Speaker 2: on what may be the most powerful interest group we've
Speaker 2: seen yet. You wrote, Australian registered environmental charities receive hundreds
Speaker 2: of millions in revenue each year. This tax advantage, honeypot,
Speaker 2: is fueling the rapid expansion of ecological activism and lawfare,
Speaker 2: making it nearly impossible to open a new coal mine
Speaker 2: or drill for gas. Tell me how these schemes work
Speaker 2: and who is taking advantage of them?
Speaker 14: Well, that the amount of money that's going into environmental charities,
Speaker 14: and all these are tax advantaged, right, you get a
Speaker 14: tax donation for giving to the bodies. It's now around
Speaker 14: about a quarter of billion dollars a year, and that's
Speaker 14: gone up by more than twice in the last four
Speaker 14: or five years. And they're employing thousands of staff. There
Speaker 14: are thousands of people employed full time working for environmental charities.
Speaker 14: So that's how the green left gets so active with
Speaker 14: their law fare and their campaigning and their social media
Speaker 14: and setting up all sorts of little astro turf groups
Speaker 14: to argue their cause for climate change. They are tremendously influential.
Speaker 14: And most of this money that I've been able to
Speaker 14: trace comes in somewhere or another from people invested in
Speaker 14: the renewable energy sector.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 14: So it's Mike cannon Brooks, for instance, who who is
Speaker 14: a big investor in renewable energy. He's got his own
Speaker 14: charity has just got about thirty billion dollars thirty million
Speaker 14: dollars in it. Sorry, But then you can follow that
Speaker 14: through and you can trace the money, including worryingly a
Speaker 14: lot of money which appears to be coming from the
Speaker 14: United States and Europe. Funds like the World Wildlife Fund,
Speaker 14: for instance, take money from Europe, and a lot of
Speaker 14: them take money for a body called the Sunrise Foundation,
Speaker 14: which has about seventy or eighty million dollar budget in Australia,
Speaker 14: and that's linked to a body in the United States.
Speaker 14: So as where it comes from, it's pretty murkyrita. But
Speaker 14: as far as you can trace it back, it all
Speaker 14: seems to end up with people who basically want wind
Speaker 14: and solar and hate nuclear.
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned the World Wildlife Fund. They did get
Speaker 2: a massive donation from tech billionaire Mike cannon Brooks's charity
Speaker 2: Boundless Earth, but as you mentioned, they also receive significant
Speaker 2: funds from the overseas sources, including the European Climate Foundation,
Speaker 2: one of Europe's biggest bank rollers of climate activism. The
Speaker 2: question is there, Nick, why are they investing money? What
Speaker 2: is expected in return for the larges.
Speaker 14: Well, the one thing that's expected is that you do
Speaker 14: not support nuclear and you do not support gas. You
Speaker 14: have to get on board with this renewable only future.
Speaker 14: And you can see why that is. I mean, if
Speaker 14: you're somebody one of these people that have invested heavily
Speaker 14: and renewable energy, your portfolio is shot to pieces the
Speaker 14: moment we change the law in this country that we
Speaker 14: can or in Australia, so we can have nuclear right
Speaker 14: because you're not going to need intermittent or not so
Speaker 14: much of this intermittent win. So that's why this is
Speaker 14: big money for them. It is worth them putting millions
Speaker 14: into fighting nuclear, which is what they're going to do
Speaker 14: at the next election, because if they don't, if they
Speaker 14: lose that battle there, then they're you know, they're going
Speaker 14: to be toast. So that's basically it. It's money reto
Speaker 14: it's money that's driving this. And the environmental groups in
Speaker 14: Australia almost all of them, certainly the big ones are
Speaker 14: all on board with this renewable only Cris Bowen sort
Speaker 14: of madnes because they're getting the funding from those bodies.
Speaker 14: They don't dare come out and make the sensible choice,
Speaker 14: which is for nuclear.
Speaker 2: Well we know why those who have invested heavily in
Speaker 2: renewables are behind this sort of activism and these sort
Speaker 2: of strategies. But when you're talking about the environmental groups
Speaker 2: who are supposed to be motivated by caring for the
Speaker 2: environment for slashing emissions. How could they possibly justify being
Speaker 2: anti nuclear power when if you want to dramatically reduce
Speaker 2: emissions without destroying living standards, nuclear is the only option
Speaker 2: right now. I mean, we could develop some new technology
Speaker 2: in the next decade or two, but right now renewables
Speaker 2: aren't going to get you there because there's no base
Speaker 2: load power.
Speaker 14: I'm in Finland at the moment, which is a beautiful
Speaker 14: backdrop reason. And here everybody is on board with nuclear,
Speaker 14: the Beans, the left, everybody. Public opinion polls about six
Speaker 14: percent of people oppose it. And I interviewed a member
Speaker 14: of the Greens Party yesterday who was telling me, well,
Speaker 14: of course we're for nuclear because it's the quickest way
Speaker 14: to get to zero mission. If that's your thing, you
Speaker 14: can do it that way. And they are doing it
Speaker 14: here ninety five percent carbon free electricity. All right, So
Speaker 14: they're doing it. They've proved, they've walked the walk and
Speaker 14: they've shown it works. But in Australia, the Green groups
Speaker 14: are just in cloud cuckoo land, you know. They they
Speaker 14: just spout this stuff. I just don't really think in
Speaker 14: the end they really they really do want to get
Speaker 14: to net zero. They just want to be seen to
Speaker 14: be the people fighting to get to net zero reach.
Speaker 14: So that's the point, isn't it. Because if they wanted
Speaker 14: to get to net zero, of course they go for nuclear.
Speaker 14: It's the obvious way.
Speaker 2: And in Scandinavia, not just Finland Sweden, it's used widely
Speaker 2: beautiful part of the world. Ni Kata enjoy. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much for joining me tonight. You still to come canceled.
Speaker 2: Kevin Spacey is about to be uncanceled as a host
Speaker 2: of Hollywood A listers come out in support of him.
Speaker 2: Plus a Hollywood star explains why so many celebrities are
Speaker 2: afraid to express right wing views. Kinsey Schofield is up next,
Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm joined now by celebrity and royal commentator
Speaker 2: Kinsey Schofield. Kinsey, we spoke about Kevin Spacey last week
Speaker 2: after he broke his silence with that remarkable ninety minute
Speaker 2: tell all interview with Dan Wootton. And now we've got
Speaker 2: Hollywood actors coming out in support of the Oscar winner.
Speaker 2: Sharon Stone, Limb Niesen and Stephen Fryer among those campaigning
Speaker 2: for Kevin Spacey to return to acting after what's been
Speaker 2: really seven years of a horror run in exile where
Speaker 2: he was canceled over allegations that have not stood up
Speaker 2: in court in criminal or civil cases.
Speaker 4: That's right, and I do think that it's important to
Speaker 4: note that when somebody like Liam Neeson or Sharon Stone
Speaker 4: puts themselves out there and defends him Niecean specifically saying
Speaker 4: that Kevin Spacey is a good man and a man
Speaker 4: of character. Their industry needs him and misses him greatly.
Speaker 4: What they're doing is they're putting themselves on the line,
Speaker 4: and I think that it's important to note that that they,
Speaker 4: all of these celebrities are so fearful of canceling or
Speaker 4: of catching cancelation, and the fact that they are standing
Speaker 4: up for him and saying, look, this is ridiculous. Let's
Speaker 4: put this guy back to work. I think it means
Speaker 4: a lot to Kevin Spacey, but I also think a
Speaker 4: lot of people are going to take note of it
Speaker 4: that can put Kevin Spacey back to work.
Speaker 2: You're right, Kinsey, it's brave to take a stand. Even now.
Speaker 2: If you're going to be super critical, you'd say, where
Speaker 2: were these actors in the past seven years when Kevin
Speaker 2: was BA canceled? But I think so many people, including myself,
Speaker 2: who've watched that ninety minute interview with Kevin Spacey and
Speaker 2: looked at some of these allegations and what's transpired, have
Speaker 2: changed their mind about this. Perhaps even those of us
Speaker 2: who should know better jump to conclusions way too quickly.
Speaker 2: Let's talk more about Hollywood. Emmy winning actress Dreden Matteo
Speaker 2: has told Donald Trump Junior during a podcast that there
Speaker 2: are many well known celebrities, including herself, who are opposed
Speaker 2: to President Joe Biden's agenda, but they're hesitant to voice
Speaker 2: their opinions.
Speaker 15: And people in Hollywood are patrofied. We are you going
Speaker 15: to speak out against rees and sex and all of
Speaker 15: that stuff. People are afraid to have those conversations because,
Speaker 15: first of all, you never win with a level You're
Speaker 15: just never.
Speaker 2: Going to win. Kinsey, She's right, But we do have
Speaker 2: plenty of celebrities who a get to voice leftist political opinions,
Speaker 2: and they're getting louder and louder right now on social media,
Speaker 2: from Susan Sarandon to Barbara Streisan to Robert de Nier.
Speaker 4: Now, I think when it comes to politics, you know,
Speaker 4: this is a polarizing rematch Trump versus Biden, and the
Speaker 4: stakes are very high. So I do feel like you're
Speaker 4: seeing a lot of celebrities that we typically see in
Speaker 4: our faces around this time, like Taylor Swift disengage but
Speaker 4: don't forget Dune the Rock. Johnson endorse Biden in twenty twenty,
Speaker 4: but recently argued that he won't make that mistake again.
Speaker 4: He told Fox and Friends, the endorsement that I made
Speaker 4: years ago with Biden was one that I thought was
Speaker 4: the best decision for me at the time. Am I
Speaker 4: going to do that again this year? The answer is no,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to do that. Musician macklmore It recently
Speaker 4: released a scathing song tearing into Joe Biden, saying I
Speaker 4: will not be voting for you this fall. But here
Speaker 4: we are in June Celebrity your Los Angeles Vondrazer, starring
Speaker 4: George Clooney and Julia Roberts. So some are bailing and
Speaker 4: then there are some that I guess I would consider
Speaker 4: in the shameless category trying to pop, you know, prop
Speaker 4: up this eighty year old man.
Speaker 2: Oh, there are many of them. The fundraisers, the public endorsements,
Speaker 2: and also the social media activism. Some of the things
Speaker 2: these celebrities post on social media, you would think if
Speaker 2: you were the publicist, you would be having a heart attack.
Speaker 2: Now to the battle between a listers, Brad Pitt and
Speaker 2: Angelina Jolie. Their breakup was very ugly, indeed, and there's
Speaker 2: claims that Angelina Jolie has encouraged the children to avoid
Speaker 2: spending time with their father. Cans it tell me the
Speaker 2: latest on this saga and what we've learned from the
Speaker 2: latest legal proceedings.
Speaker 4: Absolutely in this accusation sounds very credible. We heard it
Speaker 4: last week. It's a former security guard and he told
Speaker 4: the Superior Court that Angelina Jolie attempted to turn her
Speaker 4: six children against their father, Brad Pitt by instructing them
Speaker 4: to reject him during custody visits. The witness said that
Speaker 4: Angelina fired him after two of his freelance security associates
Speaker 4: sided with Brad Pitt during the split and agreed to
Speaker 4: testify against her on Brad's behalf during custody hearings. Now,
Speaker 4: Brad's attorneys accusing Jolie of using NDA's inappropriately and almost
Speaker 4: in a threatening manner towards those security guards as the
Speaker 4: couple were battling. It out for their chateau winery Champagne problems.
Speaker 2: Champagne problem is indeed now I've missed their latest films.
Speaker 2: But are they both working a lot less than they
Speaker 2: once did? Is this impacting their public image and their career?
Speaker 4: I think it is for Angelina Joli because she comes
Speaker 4: off as very bitter and negative. You know, we just
Speaker 4: found out Shiloh could be moving in with Brad Pitt
Speaker 4: once she turns eighteen. Brad has a beautiful, young new girlfriend.
Speaker 4: He is busy in working, Angelina kind of leading more
Speaker 4: into charity work. But I do think that this divorce
Speaker 4: has hurt her brand. And then on top of that,
Speaker 4: like you said, she's very outspoken politically. She's got her father,
Speaker 4: John Voight saying I'm voting for Trump Trump twenty twenty four,
Speaker 4: and she just kind of looks problematic and toxic. Meanwhile,
Speaker 4: Brad is like casually walking along the beaches with his dogs,
Speaker 4: and he's beautiful, and he just looks unbothered.
Speaker 2: He does look unbothered, perhaps too unbolded. Kinsey Schofield, thank
Speaker 2: you so much for your time this evening.
Speaker 9: Thank you.
Speaker 2: That's it from May News Night is up next. I'll
Speaker 2: see you Tomorrow at nine point thirty four, a whole
Speaker 2: program devoted to lefties losing it. Good Night,