Speaker 1: Welcome to Man of three sixty Raw League from every angle,
Speaker 1: brought to you by Telfast. For the final time this season,
Speaker 1: the Penrith Panthers have done it again, making history with
Speaker 1: a fourth straight premiership. The Storm fought hard and it
Speaker 1: wasn't without controversy, but in the end the Penrith juggernaut
Speaker 1: rolled on.
Speaker 2: Here's the matchup that all season has looked unavoidable with
Speaker 2: the premiership on the line. We are underweight, Grant down
Speaker 2: the short side, pleats everybody. Melbourne strike first, clearing out
Speaker 2: of the back, Alamoni on the swing, be Charmes krim
Speaker 2: leueye to Taruba blue eye, longboard Cleary Mannon into a hole.
Speaker 3: What brilliant.
Speaker 2: It's Penrith who lean at the crank. Here is the
Speaker 2: last months the chips into the corner.
Speaker 3: Here is Coats out wide.
Speaker 2: What a catch and a pass back on the inside.
Speaker 4: Did they get it down?
Speaker 3: This is so close.
Speaker 1: When you win a premiership, he comes down to moments
Speaker 1: and this just might be the moment that makes Penrith
Speaker 1: win four.
Speaker 4: In a row.
Speaker 5: Here's what it is.
Speaker 6: You know it went out to the back room, come
Speaker 6: down They try so at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: it does matter. I think whether it was the right decision,
Speaker 6: wrong decision, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Then the short side pabit House at Coachs beats Martin
Speaker 2: papit hoous and bagging up taken there by tannegor Melbourne deep.
Speaker 3: On the attack across the hues.
Speaker 2: He puts a kick in in behind the roover.
Speaker 3: It'll be two.
Speaker 5: Fieg and I indeed the kick was a play then.
Speaker 7: Clearing or kick gear towards the corner Coach underneath the.
Speaker 2: Tangle was there, So was Marten.
Speaker 3: What a catch, get a tribe on.
Speaker 2: A hell of money for the tier and he got there.
Speaker 1: And as he put me, the big, big game player
Speaker 1: and the bigger the game in the bettery games, some
Speaker 1: huge players tonight.
Speaker 4: He was one that was definitely on his feet in
Speaker 4: that second half, just kept finding something.
Speaker 7: Muster now a very narrow short side cleary there Again
Speaker 7: there's a stoppage about allegation and the sensation in the
Speaker 7: Grand Final, an allegation of finding being leveled.
Speaker 2: Here a dramatic moment.
Speaker 4: It will be looked at beyond the Grand Final.
Speaker 2: Forty seconds left, they've got one more plays Hughes, who
Speaker 2: will kick? We said, Isty, what a catch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does feel it's good.
Speaker 4: I think the first time is playing a bit more relief.
Speaker 1: This is just like mind blowing, honestly that we've been
Speaker 1: able to do this and they're just fly it.
Speaker 2: Undisputed, unrivaled, unstoppable. Penrith are the premiers for the fourth
Speaker 2: time in a row.
Speaker 1: Who four Premierships in a row to the Penrith Panthers.
Speaker 3: What a monumental achievement. Welcome Gordon Tallas.
Speaker 1: Has been a Australian buzz Rothfield and Brent Reuid. What
Speaker 1: a game it was, Gordy. The Penwrith Panthers reign supreme
Speaker 1: yet again. Five Grand Finals in a row, four Premierships
Speaker 1: in a row.
Speaker 3: They are now etched.
Speaker 1: In history and one of the most successful teams sporting
Speaker 1: organizations in the world.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, look, I think it was a promoter's dream too.
Speaker 8: Heavy weights going out at Penrith were just so dominate.
Speaker 8: They dominated territory, just the subtleties in their game. Their
Speaker 8: defense is Unbelievabley don't get enough apps for their defense.
Speaker 8: I think there's only eight players that have played in
Speaker 8: all four Grand Finals. I've lost players and it's truly
Speaker 8: remarkable what they've been able to achieve.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I also rte this morning Gordy that they've also lost coaches.
Speaker 9: They lost the last year's Dalim Coach of the Year,
Speaker 9: Andrew Webbs. They lost Cameron Surroualdo, who was a final ship.
Speaker 9: So they've lost one eight Stars, two great coaches. But
Speaker 9: Ivan just turns up every year, prepares them beautifully times
Speaker 9: they run. They're so fit, so strong, undelievable football organization.
Speaker 6: I mean, everyone they've lost, they've kept two really key figures,
Speaker 6: right Ivan and Nathan. The clearis they're the backbone of
Speaker 6: this team and there's really the community of Penrith now,
Speaker 6: aren't they. So it's remarkable. I wouldn't rule out five,
Speaker 6: you know, I said they wouldn't win three, so I'm
Speaker 6: not going to say they can't win five.
Speaker 9: But Fisher, Harrison Lewye, they have to come back, come back.
Speaker 3: We'll find out next year.
Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting to see if they can
Speaker 1: continue this form and I suppose dominate the way that
Speaker 1: they have the past four seasons. Now, how do we
Speaker 1: see the game? How do we see that this this
Speaker 1: contest between these two great clubs. I mean I saw
Speaker 1: the pair of Panthers as machine like methodical and just
Speaker 1: really hard to break. In the end, they wore down
Speaker 1: the Melbourne Storm. How did you guys see it?
Speaker 5: I saw a little different Penrith.
Speaker 8: I think the first time he finally I think there
Speaker 8: was two offloads, the second one there was six. There
Speaker 8: was twenty one off floads last night. So they tried to,
Speaker 8: you know, pull the structure away from the Melbourne defense,
Speaker 8: just as subtlely's in that player. I think, you know,
Speaker 8: first week they put a kick in, last week they
Speaker 8: hit Ala Mody. This time they go at the back.
Speaker 8: They're a juggernaut. They you know, they start your possession.
Speaker 8: They dominate territory and they got the superstars that stand
Speaker 8: up in the right moments.
Speaker 9: What they did they shut down the Storm's spine very successfully,
Speaker 9: sort of suffocated and strangled, and they thirty four percent
Speaker 9: of the game was played only thirty four percent.
Speaker 4: In Penrith territory.
Speaker 9: And I think there was not one Storm forward in
Speaker 9: the middle made one hundred meters Penrith had. I think
Speaker 9: they really missed Nelsoness say for Salomnus go forward and
Speaker 9: you could see it in Jerome Hughes miss How did
Speaker 9: they all miss that?
Speaker 4: And yeah, that unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Haven't had an opportunities Melbourne, especially in that first half,
Speaker 1: because like what I said, Peter were a machine, Like
Speaker 1: they were methodical, They're kicking game of spot on. The
Speaker 1: kick chase was fantastic, the spread of the line was
Speaker 1: exceptional and they did suffocate Melbourne. And when Melbourne had opportunities,
Speaker 1: they made a couple of really bad errors that cost
Speaker 1: them dearly, didn't it.
Speaker 6: It wasn't a classic Grand Final, but it's not a
Speaker 6: Grand Final. It's going to live in my memory for
Speaker 6: a long time. But I just didn't I just didn't
Speaker 6: feel like that to me.
Speaker 9: Did you feel like Mate said it was the best
Speaker 9: they've ever seen, and I agree with.
Speaker 3: Okay, they've ever seen?
Speaker 4: Well, no, they're wrapping the games.
Speaker 3: A lot of people saw the games. It was high quality.
Speaker 1: A lot of people saw the game is a really
Speaker 1: good game. I wouldn't say the best you've ever seen.
Speaker 6: I thought it like just just felt like a war
Speaker 6: of attrition to me, just two sides going out into one.
Speaker 6: You didn't see great attacking flair they gord or any But.
Speaker 5: Did you ball movement? Did you appreciate the fan said,
Speaker 5: like the effort?
Speaker 8: Like yeah, so this stuff here like Liam Martin going
Speaker 8: and winning the collision and look at THEODA, like did he.
Speaker 5: Lose his GPS? But he's not supposed to be there
Speaker 5: as a front roll.
Speaker 6: The physical side was a physical game, you know, and
Speaker 6: Melbourne Penneth Moore I felt that they were more aggressive
Speaker 6: and use that word suffocate buzz. That's the word Ryan
Speaker 6: papahaws and used when I spoke to him after the game.
Speaker 6: He said, they suffocated this. So we couldn't find a
Speaker 6: way to get around that.
Speaker 1: So, you know, maybe we see it this way because
Speaker 1: of last year's Grand Finals and so fresh in our
Speaker 1: minds when Ezra Man was on fire and Nathan Cleary,
Speaker 1: He's last twenty minutes was one of the best you'll
Speaker 1: ever see. So maybe because you know, we'd seen that
Speaker 1: not so long ago, and then we had the two
Speaker 1: best teams in the in the Grand Final. All yeah,
Speaker 1: but they're two different teams too, right, I think?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I think where the purists loved it was that an
Speaker 9: average NRL game has fifty four minutes ball in play.
Speaker 9: Last night because there was the discipline, the handling was
Speaker 9: so bumped up to sixty five minutes, which you know,
Speaker 9: very very few games in the modern.
Speaker 5: Era about twelve extra sets, maybe even more.
Speaker 4: Yeah so, And I think that's what some people loved
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 1: Four premierships in a row for Penrith, mind bombling. It
Speaker 1: really is an eighth And Cleary said it himself, will
Speaker 1: this ever be seen again?
Speaker 8: We don't think it was going to be seen like
Speaker 8: when like when sides went back to back, that was rare, right,
Speaker 8: and we would like put those teams up on a pedestal.
Speaker 8: And then when they won three went oh yeah, well
Speaker 8: they can't get four. Well I think they can get five,
Speaker 8: like I really do, just just with the way they
Speaker 8: lose their players, the way they they're able just to
Speaker 8: reinvent themselves enough and just put just different players in
Speaker 8: and you know, it just brings it a look at it.
Speaker 1: Near buzz and I feel like, you don't think they
Speaker 1: can get fired.
Speaker 9: I love Fisher Harris and I spoke last week. I
Speaker 9: don't like seeing dynasties and.
Speaker 4: Jerome lou is a great great five eight.
Speaker 9: Having said that, what why Penrith can continue is that
Speaker 9: I don't see a lot of rise in the other
Speaker 9: sixteen clubs, which I think is a little bit disappointing.
Speaker 9: The Roosters. I can't see them rising next year. I
Speaker 9: wouldn't be surprised. But Storm again the Bulldogs. Can they
Speaker 9: go better than the freakish year they have. But you
Speaker 9: see what you see what I mean? You know we're
Speaker 9: critical them. Some people have said it's boring because it's
Speaker 9: Melbourne Penrith.
Speaker 6: I would say, you lose Loui. They bought Blaze to
Speaker 6: Lungey is one of the best young kids in the game.
Speaker 6: They lose Fisher Harris. They brought us Papa, but we've
Speaker 6: simblings in Smith get name and the strands I today,
Speaker 6: so he's the merging star as well. Yeah, they just
Speaker 6: bring Blakes through who replaced.
Speaker 5: In the middle of the rock the receiver.
Speaker 8: He was unbelievable l time, so a can play first
Speaker 8: receiver and like hit.
Speaker 5: So they've still got an there.
Speaker 9: Considering the opposition, I will say they can win five.
Speaker 3: I will be else later.
Speaker 9: I'll say this why I think there's a lot of
Speaker 9: poorly managed organizations in this competition, and we're going to
Speaker 9: talk about well I do I do, and they need
Speaker 9: to get their acts together and they need to strive
Speaker 9: to become.
Speaker 3: A long way behind Peter. Aren't they a lot of.
Speaker 9: Them, Candoby getting there that they've built that really strong
Speaker 9: junior league to go with that excellent side.
Speaker 6: Now all over the Dog's ben Wagon after bagging them
Speaker 6: for about two years. All over the Bullocks now one
Speaker 6: photo with Cam Sarreld Jersey.
Speaker 9: I was critical for your information of Canterbury last year
Speaker 9: when they ran sixteenth and the year before when they won.
Speaker 4: The year before that, right, they were absolute crap.
Speaker 9: What they have done since this year with Cameron surround
Speaker 9: Up leading the joint and Phil Girl building is outstanding
Speaker 9: and now and again when teams what do you want
Speaker 9: me to say? They're no good still?
Speaker 6: I just love the way you can jump on a
Speaker 6: bed wagon.
Speaker 4: I'm not jumping, but won't you the break to tip
Speaker 4: the West Tigers to make the.
Speaker 3: Twelve?
Speaker 4: So you're the worst judge in Sydney.
Speaker 1: There was they think that the winners the Pans last
Speaker 1: night's game. There were a lot of controversies and we're
Speaker 1: going to get to them. Not a lot, but there
Speaker 1: were a few. We're going to get to them very soon.
Speaker 1: But the enerall w Roosters win. Congratulations to the Roosters
Speaker 1: girls got off to a flyer Carnella came back, made
Speaker 1: it very interesting. But it was the Roosters who got
Speaker 1: it done.
Speaker 9: She was cheering around that second half breaks when I
Speaker 9: thought we were gone twenty four nail Sharks halftime. They turned
Speaker 9: into a wonderful football game. It's quality, wasn't they eleven
Speaker 9: try has got your Sharks?
Speaker 5: Yes they did, they did.
Speaker 8: Yes, all movement, go and coach the I was sitting
Speaker 8: in the box with a heap of guys and we
Speaker 8: were like normally, like everybody jumped outside watching it. How
Speaker 8: athletic the girls are. They've worked defensively, they got better.
Speaker 8: It was a high quality game and I was going
Speaker 8: for the Sharks in the end. Yeah well yeah, I
Speaker 8: mean because they like twenty four, like they had no
Speaker 8: right to get back to you.
Speaker 5: No, but yes, yes I do.
Speaker 8: But like that when it sides down and you watch
Speaker 8: them fight back in, you just start going for the underdog,
Speaker 8: don't you all?
Speaker 3: What it was? No?
Speaker 5: Man, I'm glad the Sharks got beaten.
Speaker 3: It is incredible how far the winner's game has coming.
Speaker 3: They are.
Speaker 1: They are the preme athletes now, they really are. You
Speaker 1: watch the game compared to when they first started. It's
Speaker 1: elite and congratulations at the end l W girls in
Speaker 1: an amazing season. And let's get to the controversy that
Speaker 1: was last night in the Grand Final. Start start with
Speaker 1: the Jack Howard no try.
Speaker 5: This is yeah.
Speaker 1: As I said, it's interesting because at the ground a
Speaker 1: lot of people thought that he had scored this. Going
Speaker 1: around on social media, there was a still shot that
Speaker 1: suggested that the ball had hit the ground. Actually, Kin
Speaker 1: went up with no try and the Bunker stuck with
Speaker 1: that decision because of inconclusive evidence.
Speaker 3: Did they get this right or did they get it wrong?
Speaker 8: They got it right at the ground, I thought there
Speaker 8: was no try. Then on social media today it looks
Speaker 8: like the ball is down and they just lit up.
Speaker 8: And then I'm looking, I'm going he scored.
Speaker 1: That, But that was the someone posted that not long
Speaker 1: after it so, I mean I looked at it during
Speaker 1: the game, I'm like, that's a try.
Speaker 3: But then as you see the other angles.
Speaker 1: And this was provided by the NRL, and I believe
Speaker 1: the Anneral actually provided this to the journos and Matt
Speaker 1: Tripp and.
Speaker 6: Just there's a room just outside the press common in
Speaker 6: Melbourne storm hierarchy, right, the Aneral took some journals in
Speaker 6: that room that had a big screen set up. They
Speaker 6: replayed this. Then they got Justin and Matt Tripp and
Speaker 6: there they watched it as well, and they acknowledged that it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't would have been angry before they saw this right,
Speaker 1: and then they're okay.
Speaker 9: I thought it was a try. But what the Bunker
Speaker 9: did and what we want them to do, is they
Speaker 9: followed protocol. So when a referee makes a decision it's
Speaker 9: not a try. They need evidence to suggest otherwise it's inconclusive.
Speaker 4: There was a real they have to stick with it.
Speaker 4: So they did everything right.
Speaker 3: But do you think the ball touched the grass?
Speaker 4: I did at first, I swear it.
Speaker 5: I don't think now.
Speaker 8: And that is a great lesson, right, you know, saying
Speaker 8: that you make your own luck. Look how many pink
Speaker 8: jerseys are in that picture the Anerald.
Speaker 6: There's some credit here for clarifying it so quickly. I mean,
Speaker 6: because as you said, break that that photo was going
Speaker 6: around basically what the game was still going on. And
Speaker 6: I actually showed at the Graham and after I looked
Speaker 6: like a try. But the Oald quickly got on the
Speaker 6: front foot. As I said, they got the journals in
Speaker 6: the room said this is what's happened. It's not a
Speaker 6: try and once you saw that they actually were showing
Speaker 6: journalists regularly, maybe they should.
Speaker 9: But it's a very good thing they did last night.
Speaker 9: But fans of a Thursday or Friday night game get
Speaker 9: so angry about their teams getting what they believe was darted,
Speaker 9: and they've got to wait for Graham Mansley to do
Speaker 9: an apology on a Monday.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's a good idea.
Speaker 6: One of the reasons why they're probably quick to do
Speaker 6: it was they were right, so you know, when there's
Speaker 6: one that's wrong. I'm not sure they're going to be
Speaker 6: that quick to.
Speaker 1: They made the decision very quick though, like it was,
Speaker 1: it was a quick decision. They didn't really look at
Speaker 1: it too much, or maybe they got the angles that
Speaker 1: we didn't.
Speaker 9: I think grand Atkins in the bunker definitely saw the
Speaker 9: video that Graham Ansley showed everyone afterwards.
Speaker 6: I think he was telecast could have been better to them.
Speaker 6: I don't think they really well, I think you know,
Speaker 6: from from.
Speaker 3: What I understand, I think you're right because they didn't
Speaker 3: even come back to it. No, they sort of went
Speaker 3: away and once you.
Speaker 6: Had that evidence, which they would have had. I imagine
Speaker 6: they should have come back and shown it and cleared
Speaker 6: the air on the cover.
Speaker 1: Because Melbourne saw that try, they hit the lead again.
Speaker 1: The momentum ships and this game on after this, Melbourne
Speaker 1: didn't really look likely, so it was a big, a
Speaker 1: big moment in the game. Now, poor Crawley wants a
Speaker 1: camera in the bunker.
Speaker 3: Thoughts on this.
Speaker 4: I like where it's going.
Speaker 9: We used to have a bunker camera in the bunker
Speaker 9: a long time ago, but it wasn't great technology. But
Speaker 9: anything that's going to take into our lounge rooms a
Speaker 9: better explanation of their decisions has got to be good
Speaker 9: for Rugby Leagus won Absolutely, they do Gordo because they're often.
Speaker 5: Does it add to our broadcast?
Speaker 3: Yes, it does.
Speaker 6: I wonder whether it have video of free second guessing
Speaker 6: themselves because they've got a camera and they're on television
Speaker 6: and it puts more pressure on them. There's enough pressure
Speaker 6: on TV.
Speaker 3: They get us in there another level.
Speaker 6: Since you've been on this show, I wonder whether I
Speaker 6: just wonder whether maybe that puts too much pressure on
Speaker 6: enough pressure on the guys in the video box now,
Speaker 6: so then have a camera on them tracking every movement
Speaker 6: they make.
Speaker 4: I just know it was there, made to be like
Speaker 4: that dressing room camera.
Speaker 6: But little on camera.
Speaker 1: But then they need hear a makeup while you guys
Speaker 1: what it costs to be anyway camera monster cleid of biting.
Speaker 1: This was at the back end of the game. Arm
Speaker 1: was in Cameron's mouth and he was put on report.
Speaker 8: No one likes biting, obviously we had one this year
Speaker 8: with Flannagan. But this reminded me of the Jack White
Speaker 8: and Tyson gamble won Newcastle. If anybody's got their arm
Speaker 8: and they're putting pressure right up around your jaw and
Speaker 8: your teeth, you're going to get a mark on your arm.
Speaker 8: It's simple as that that they would never, if I'm
Speaker 8: on the judiciary, would never go down as a biting charge.
Speaker 4: No, he didn't bite him last night.
Speaker 9: If he did, it was the pressure samous I said
Speaker 9: about Kyle Flanning, and I argue, and I argue with you.
Speaker 4: He got a nose shoved in his mouth, right he did?
Speaker 4: He did? You asked me a question and Cameron had
Speaker 4: no choice there There was pressure, a.
Speaker 5: Lot of in his mouth.
Speaker 3: Here we go again, we've gone off.
Speaker 6: We spoke the can. I spoke the can directly after
Speaker 6: the game. You can see he was indignant about it
Speaker 6: was shot that gave that path since.
Speaker 5: A look, now there you go, but one's mouth one doesn't.
Speaker 6: He's got every Carl's got every right to be a
Speaker 6: little bit upset because Steve Crichton didn't follow through with
Speaker 6: a complaint in this case. At the end of all
Speaker 6: went on the video evidence. So you know, I think
Speaker 6: I think Carl's a little bit of a right.
Speaker 4: It's terrible.
Speaker 6: That doesn't look good.
Speaker 4: Don't tell me what you don't tell me that. It's
Speaker 4: got nothing to do with what's the grand final?
Speaker 5: Shoil?
Speaker 4: If someone ran their noose into your mouth, what would
Speaker 4: you do?
Speaker 8: It's nowhere near I put in your mouth, or like
Speaker 8: I grab you and I'll put you in a chokehold?
Speaker 8: On which one you won't like?
Speaker 5: You won't like?
Speaker 3: All right, buzz alamony, you got something on him for it?
Speaker 9: Well, you know, I was talking about the other clubs
Speaker 9: in the camp who need to really lift their games
Speaker 9: the next few years. This ala mighty justin Cameron thround.
Speaker 9: I didn't want him last year. Understand why they signed crighton?
Speaker 9: They signed Bronson Chert, so he was Michael Hudson looks
Speaker 9: after him. He rang and emailed every club said he
Speaker 9: was available. He was asked for a bit of coin,
Speaker 9: but no one. No one wanted him.
Speaker 5: But he wasn't. Hold on mate.
Speaker 4: He has been a potential superstar, hasn't he.
Speaker 1: Coming through the junior You're right, he's had huge raps
Speaker 1: on huge from the from school boys.
Speaker 3: He was he was the man.
Speaker 1: He was the man and he he just didn't reach
Speaker 1: the potential there at Bulldogs, although he's only young. He
Speaker 1: didn't and they were paying significant money for him for
Speaker 1: his age and he just told him.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not backing Candide for letting go out all.
Speaker 1: But he was incredible yesterday and he's turned out to
Speaker 1: be a magnificent buy.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and he went to Penrith for half his Bulldog's contract.
Speaker 9: Why did Ivan Cleary and that outfit in Penrith have
Speaker 9: the vision to know that he can aim up in
Speaker 9: big games.
Speaker 3: That's what I talk.
Speaker 1: About the other clubs, and I agree with you on that.
Speaker 1: Around the club, that's not them. He's probably not doing this.
Speaker 1: You don't know, well, they're not there to do it.
Speaker 6: He needed them as much as more than they needed him.
Speaker 6: I think, you know, I think they've helped him become
Speaker 6: the player a lot of people thought he would be
Speaker 6: and if he got to Melbourne maybe the same thing.
Speaker 9: Weren't sure, so they gave him one year. At about
Speaker 9: two fifty midway through this year, they extended him, made
Speaker 9: it two years because he was going good. Then Taylor
Speaker 9: May left, they extend him another two and it's haven't
Speaker 9: they do it so good?
Speaker 3: Now he's reached. He's got that.
Speaker 1: So this, this game will change his life now because
Speaker 1: he's always been that kid. He's always had the potential.
Speaker 1: He's always touted to be the next biggest thing. Now
Speaker 1: this game here will change his life forever because now
Speaker 1: he knows he can do it, and he can do
Speaker 1: it on the biggest stage and he's only going to
Speaker 1: get better.
Speaker 3: So it happens a lot with those with kids coming through.
Speaker 1: He kind of plat out a little bit because of
Speaker 1: the pressure and expectations his heart, you know, but he's
Speaker 1: got through it, which is a credit to him as
Speaker 1: outstanding our player performance of the Grand Final. Who else
Speaker 1: but Liam Martin with the Clive Churchill Medal. He was well,
Speaker 1: you talk about machine like.
Speaker 3: He's a beast.
Speaker 1: You know, We've spoken about him all year and his
Speaker 1: performance in the in the Grand Final was well, it
Speaker 1: was second and none.
Speaker 3: He was unbelievable.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's just got every his aggressive of his hard running.
Speaker 6: He loves the physical side of the game. He loves
Speaker 6: the collision, I mean loves the big moments too, which
Speaker 6: is can.
Speaker 9: I also say is a great kick chaser. He puts
Speaker 9: enormous pressure on their back five on the kick chase.
Speaker 9: He also runs a real good line. You know, he
Speaker 9: was perfectly positioned for the Cleary pass cord. He I
Speaker 9: don't want to embarrass you, I don't want to disrespect you,
Speaker 9: but he's the closest thing I've seen to you as a.
Speaker 4: Rugby league player.
Speaker 5: He's a great player. Yeah.
Speaker 9: And look I saw you play for Australia for Queensland,
Speaker 9: George Broncos you're an out and out champion.
Speaker 5: This boy he needs a lot of moments.
Speaker 4: You must love him.
Speaker 8: He's Leo Martin, like I don't like pigeon guys man.
Speaker 8: He's he's actually Leon Martin. And you watch him in
Speaker 8: Origin and you watch him and there was a big
Speaker 8: there's a big game he vers Angus Crichton and he
Speaker 8: outdid him and Angus Crichton's being the best back rower
Speaker 8: all year. Everybody he plays against he makes it personal.
Speaker 8: Look at that like that's you know, I mean like
Speaker 8: there's not too many players and that's not ability. Everybody
Speaker 8: in the comp can play like that. They just got
Speaker 8: to want to play with that.
Speaker 3: But everybody he doesn't.
Speaker 4: He does play like you. He's tear away, he's non stop,
Speaker 4: the belly, A little bit mad.
Speaker 5: I think he's a bit mad.
Speaker 6: He's a bit mad.
Speaker 3: Is that possible? He's not.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: A fair comparaison. Obviously it's half for Gordon to comment on.
Speaker 1: But he's an animal. He's a beast. I played against
Speaker 1: Gordy and he does remind me of him. There's no
Speaker 1: doubt about that. He's just he's a scary proposition for
Speaker 1: anyone who's coming up against him to have curly hair
Speaker 1: actually looks.
Speaker 4: I don't care about. I think on the football field.
Speaker 3: He's underpants off.
Speaker 10: Made in origin, like he's grabbed me and he's just
Speaker 10: he got a handful. You thought, isaaa yo heng on?
Speaker 3: This is controversial. You think that Isaia was robbed for
Speaker 3: the clib He was one man of the match.
Speaker 6: By the length of Austraight. I think Liam, no disrespect
Speaker 6: to Liam, had a great night, but I just loved
Speaker 6: the I a the other night. I think he constantly
Speaker 6: got him on the front foot. He's got his motor
Speaker 6: is incredible, you know, great footwork and he's a great leader.
Speaker 6: For me, he was the Club Churchill Medal winner, as
Speaker 6: I said, by the length of austraight.
Speaker 9: Mate Liam Martin, in my view, was a fair Churchill man.
Speaker 9: I can understand what might have been of it that
Speaker 9: I thought. I thought he did to win and he
Speaker 9: wasn't the best by the length of the straight, which
Speaker 9: you also see. He had a very very good game,
Speaker 9: you think, and I think he's a great The last
Speaker 9: blake I saw get rob for Daly m was Andrew
Speaker 9: Feeder in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 6: It's not what I asked, I said, who do you
Speaker 6: think should have won?
Speaker 4: It was clear Leam Martin.
Speaker 8: I thought Liam Martin live was really good, but not
Speaker 8: on the panel really really he might have been.
Speaker 5: A close second moment. We should give it a silver
Speaker 5: one as well.
Speaker 1: Stay strong already all right, Debate rages over Grand Final
Speaker 1: kickoff time.
Speaker 3: When should we have this kickoff? Buzz? Are you going
Speaker 3: to poll or something here again, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, usual, you know what, Well, you know what, I
Speaker 4: did a poll, breath. I like to hear what the
Speaker 4: punters are thinking.
Speaker 3: You know what, I love it and I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I think it should be early.
Speaker 5: I agree with you too, buzz well.
Speaker 9: I the fans our most important people in our game,
Speaker 9: our customers. Only ten percent of them, one in ten
Speaker 9: want a nighttime Grand final.
Speaker 4: Let me finish.
Speaker 9: The NRL has also has always used the reasons that
Speaker 9: nighttime rates better.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you now that's rubbish.
Speaker 9: AFL Grand Final on a Saturday afternoon right up against
Speaker 9: the races, junior sport, everything else rated four point one million.
Speaker 9: The NRL Grand Final last night on Channel nine rated
Speaker 9: three point seven million. So I don't where. I listened
Speaker 9: to people and I know you've got a different opinion.
Speaker 9: There is an appetite for.
Speaker 3: What's a different opinion from you?
Speaker 6: Well, what's what's wrong with it? There's eighty thousand people there.
Speaker 6: Look at those scenes, the remarkable scenes that the audience
Speaker 6: peak that you won't because it's daytime break that won't work?
Speaker 3: You like to tell us? Is that why you want
Speaker 3: to kid law?
Speaker 6: He was magnificent? No, what's the issue. I don't see
Speaker 6: why you're going to mess with it.
Speaker 8: Final it's a better quality football game because it's in
Speaker 8: the dry generally dry, it's not greasy. Kids get rusted on.
Speaker 8: I remember going around like and I remember going around
Speaker 8: the kids went to the foot of the other they're
Speaker 8: taller than you. But but basically for the young kids
Speaker 8: to get rusted on. Everybody watches it, So that argument
Speaker 8: with the ratings. There's twenty people around a television. They're
Speaker 8: all having barbecues, but they're not sitting at home. So yeah,
Speaker 8: the ratings might be down, but everybody is watching it.
Speaker 8: I guarantee every Queenslander and people in New South Wales
Speaker 8: will be watching it.
Speaker 5: If it's played in the day or twilight.
Speaker 6: You have to mess with it. What's wrong with it?
Speaker 5: What changing? Why do they change it in the first place?
Speaker 6: No idea. I can't remember.
Speaker 3: It probably.
Speaker 5: Broken.
Speaker 6: It was probably the broken and there was the broadcast.
Speaker 3: You know it's late, you get out of there, late
Speaker 3: ages to get home.
Speaker 5: Las Vegas.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Las Vegas high, like highest ratings have the peter
Speaker 8: Landers are so proud of. Was it one o'clock and
Speaker 8: three o'clock kickoff or two o'clock day games right the
Speaker 8: highest double our ratings.
Speaker 4: Do you want to borrow my right Ben?
Speaker 6: But the game would say, the only difference there is
Speaker 6: that was a unique experience.
Speaker 5: And that was a Grand Final.
Speaker 6: There's a Grand Fall every year.
Speaker 5: One off it was.
Speaker 6: It's not a one off. It was the first time
Speaker 6: was held, so people were always going to go to
Speaker 6: tune into that cord in the first time.
Speaker 5: Another high rating game played in the day.
Speaker 6: I just don't understand why there is this obsession. We're
Speaker 6: changing something. It's not the session. It's years opinion from
Speaker 6: a lot of people. It's not an obsession, it's an
Speaker 6: opinion of like a lot of punters.
Speaker 9: Nine out of ten people don't want a night Grand Final.
Speaker 9: You're one of the one out of ten.
Speaker 3: Well, there's eighty thousand the other You've just been carved up.
Speaker 3: But you know what stick around.