1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to Better Than Yesterday. Better make it quick. 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: It's the what is it is? The Wednesday edition of 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: the show. 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: This is the one that we do where we take 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: a little bit of bite of a longer episode and 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 2: I go, hey, what do you reckon? 7 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: You should probably listen to this because. 8 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: It's pretty pretty deep, pretty pretty pretty pretty good. This 9 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 2: is better than Yesterday. It's a podcast. It's just here 10 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: to bring you something to make it better than yesterday. 11 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: We're doing it three times a week since twenty thirteen. 12 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: Mondays and Wednesdays it's me and a guest. Fridays, it's 13 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: me and you. Yes, me and you. 14 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: There's lovely. 15 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: There's squillions of episodes to listen to. I'm washing Ginsburg. 16 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: I'm I'm a podcaster and a TV host and an 17 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: author and a dad and I stepped out and a 18 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 2: headphone lead untangler and a phone recharger recharger because. 19 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: I forgot to do that earlier and I went flat 20 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: out on the road. 21 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: But it's great to have you here. Send osher email 22 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: at gmail dot com. Is how you get me? If 23 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: you want to get me and we, you and me 24 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: are going to hear from one of the greats. One 25 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: of the all time greats. It's a shorter version of 26 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: a much longer one of my favorite conversations I ever 27 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: had about the gig that I am in with mister 28 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 2: Hamish Blake, Australia's other dad. In twenty twenty one, Hamoush 29 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: showed up here at my house. He didn't have to, 30 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 2: but he did. He's one of the nicest humans I've 31 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: ever met. I'm just so in awe of him because 32 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: not only is his career incredible, but you know, and 33 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: what he's achieved is incredible. His talent, who he is 34 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 2: as a person, and to stay being that person as 35 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: he has ascended to the greatest heights in broadcasting. 36 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: Our country's ever seen Hamish Blake. 37 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: If you don't know him, if you're not from Australia, 38 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: he has a national I guess it's now a podcast 39 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: called Hamish and Andy. He's been on TV esquillion times. 40 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's with Andy, sometimes it's with Lego. He's an 41 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: all around fantastic human being. Loves bicycles, which I love too, 42 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: and it's a great chat. In this episode, he and 43 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: I are going to talk about when he realized he 44 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: needed to start making healthier life choices, how he feels 45 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: about Australia, the heritage back and indeed where it all 46 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: began for him and Andy, And would you be surprised 47 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: to hear that it actually started with Hamish and Andy 48 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: being university students. They had a Saturday morning radio show 49 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 2: and I wondered what it was like for him. 50 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 3: That was a great moment in time for me and 51 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 3: Andy because we had this real sweet spot going on 52 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 3: where we were like, we were keen to do radio, 53 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 3: but all we had was a Saturday morning show. And 54 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 3: usually a Saturday morning show goes to someone that's already 55 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 3: doing something else, like quite significant, like Rove, for example, 56 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 3: had the previous Saturday morning show, So I was like, 57 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 3: it's usually I mean with that when this didn't. This 58 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 3: is with all due respect to Rove and the radio 59 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: show they did. It's like you take the deal because 60 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 3: it's like a bit of extra money and like you 61 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 3: can make a radio station pay a high price and 62 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 3: you know, you pre record two hours, it's a piece 63 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 3: of cake. But we were like, this was our full 64 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 3: time gig, doing this Saturday morning radio show. So we 65 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 3: were in the radio station like all week prepared for 66 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 3: preparing for our Saturday Morning radio show, to the point 67 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 3: where I'm sure people were like, what are you guys 68 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 3: doing you here, But we were like, we just come. 69 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 3: We use the internet for free, like we just love 70 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: being in the radio station. And we were playing like 71 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 3: cricket in the hallway. And it kind of probably had 72 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: a lot to do with us getting a better gig 73 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 3: in radio because we just were in the building and 74 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 3: cared like we were like crafting bits for Saturday. It's 75 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 3: like completely irrelevant, like the even if your Saturday morning 76 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 3: radio show is rating like a one hundred percent share, 77 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 3: it's not really going to move the needle for the 78 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 3: total week, like there's no one so it's. 79 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 4: A training ground. 80 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 3: But because we were there, we could do this stuff 81 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 3: that like other shows just didn't have the time to do, 82 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 3: like go to New York for one interview, like the 83 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: Breakfast Show's not doing that, and the drive shows like yeah, 84 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: but we'll like it will cost us a whole week 85 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: of shows. 86 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 4: But we could. So that was like our perfect year. 87 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 3: We went to Cahn, we were going to New York 88 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: like we were just taking junkets everywhere. 89 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 4: Loved it. 90 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: You mentioned two things that are really important there. One 91 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: was just like being in the building yep, being seen 92 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: by people, and also being seen by people, Oh my god, 93 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: these guys are They're not here for four more days, 94 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: but they're here busy, they're working, they're also playing cricket, 95 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 2: they're having fun. 96 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 3: I think it actually, yeah, I think it sort of. 97 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 3: It had an accidental effect of just communicating the truth, 98 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 3: which was we really cared, like we really loved doing it. 99 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 3: And you and I know now, like the long you're 100 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 3: in this industry, like caring is what it's all about. 101 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 3: Like you, the people that do well care like they 102 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 3: want to do well. They're hungry and they have that 103 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 3: desire to do well. So we were right in that 104 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: crux of our life. So like mid twenties, we were like, 105 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 3: we really care and we want to do this. We 106 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: don't know how to do it, like we don't have 107 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 3: any experience and we don't have there's no game plan, 108 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 3: like there's but at least we've got enthusiasm. So I 109 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: think it was like just a display of enthusiasm that 110 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 3: we were in the building. And funnily enough, like you realize, 111 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 3: like that goes a long way, That goes a long way. 112 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 3: It was a display of enthusiasm I suppose as well, 113 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 3: coupled with the magical side serving of no expectation. 114 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 4: So it's like, I think you see. 115 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 3: A lot of enthusias in these days, but with people going, Okay, 116 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: well I've I've shown you a day of enthusiasm. Can 117 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: you show me my three year plan and deal with 118 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 3: share options? But we've had none of that. It was 119 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,119 Speaker 3: like there was no we didn't feel entitled to anything. 120 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 3: We just felt like stoked to be there. And I 121 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: think because that was genuine and it wasn't attached to 122 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 3: any sort of long term plan, like we just never 123 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 3: had a long term plan and we still don't. So 124 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 3: I think what we were discovering was let's just enjoy 125 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 3: this while it lasts. And the other thing that I 126 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: think was really important too, and I learned a lot 127 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 3: from that year where I was a writer on the 128 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 3: Breakfast Show, was I thought I was very important, Like, 129 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 3: you know, I had to get up at four thirty 130 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 3: and you had to do this breakfast That's the only 131 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 3: year I've ever done breakfast hours, like breakfast radio hours, 132 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: and it's brutal, but I thought I was important, which 133 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 3: was when I wasn't. But it was a great thing 134 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 3: to have that be my perception because it's like the 135 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 3: live fire simulation of pressure but not actual pressure. 136 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 4: So I was like, God, I've got to think of 137 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 4: something like. 138 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 3: It was really you know, like you're ringing your brain 139 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 3: out going, I've got to think of something for this 140 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 3: morning show. 141 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 4: I've got to do a good job. 142 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 3: And so I had a huge amount of perceived pressure 143 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 3: and it was great training to understand what that like. 144 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 3: Working in a live show environment is like where it 145 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 3: doesn't matter if you've got ten jokes or no jokes. 146 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 3: You're going on air in one minute and that's a fact. 147 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 3: So you're going on air with nothing or ten who care, Like, 148 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 3: doesn't matter, You're still going on air. 149 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 4: So I like. 150 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 3: Learning that, which is like a kind of a pretty 151 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 3: important part of radio. I think of just understanding especially 152 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 3: for like drive radio for us, you know, you've always 153 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 3: got one armed the clock from kind of like midday 154 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 3: when you're in there and you haven't fun and you're 155 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 3: relaxing it. As your career goes on, you get more 156 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 3: and more comfortable with that. But three point fifty nine 157 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 3: always brings with it that moment of going that little 158 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 3: voice in your going, are you sure you got you 159 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 3: got enough for today? 160 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 4: Are you sure you got enough for today? 161 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 3: And I think you just have to get comfortable in 162 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: that in that zone. So that year taught me like 163 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 3: I felt the pressure of the show, but now looking 164 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 3: back on it, like no one would have noticed if I. 165 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: Wasn't still there though, Is it still all. 166 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 4: The pressures internal? Right? 167 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 3: Like you built up this huge press like okay, I've 168 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 3: got to perform. 169 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 4: Like you put in this enormous weight on yourself in 170 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 4: the morning. 171 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: Hamish Blake is an honest fella. So what he shares 172 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: next is something a lot of men do go through. 173 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: And it's that kind of penny drop moment that that 174 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: you really you have when you realize, you know, no 175 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 2: longer in your twenties, you jeanged that fit anymore, and 176 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: you need to start making healthier life choices. The hamershit 177 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: came to him when he was he was in line, 178 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: he was with his mates and he was about to 179 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: go bungee jumping in New Zealand. 180 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 3: There's four of us and they're right on the back 181 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 3: of your hand like when you're jumping, And so I 182 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 3: was like, hang on a second, how come Hatero's jumping 183 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 3: seventy eight, like Andy's jumping eighty five. 184 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 4: I was like, I got to wait to one hundred 185 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 4: and seven. 186 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 3: I've got a way, I've got to wait. I'm not 187 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: waiting twenty spots to jump. And then the guy goes, 188 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 3: now that's your wait. You're standing on a weight plate 189 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 3: when you sign in, so as you're signing the waiver, 190 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 3: they're just they have a readout of how heever you 191 00:07:58,960 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 3: are so they can. 192 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 4: Adjust the road. And I was like, I'm one hundred 193 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 4: and seven. 194 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 3: I was like, what you're gonna get shoes on and 195 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 3: your wallet and Stuff's like, yeah, that's what. 196 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 4: Fifteen gar on me though, So I was. 197 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: Like, because you're an and you're about the same height, yes. 198 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 4: I was like, you know ninety. 199 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 3: It was like all right, okay, all right, all right, 200 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 3: we've got a discrepancy here. So that was the sort 201 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: of when I was like, okay, I've just realized them 202 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: over one hundred kilos. And it was then we also realized, 203 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 3: like on trampolines, so I don't have a sticker going, 204 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 3: maximum limit of a man is a hundred killers. So 205 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 3: that's when I became on air. I began the campaign 206 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 3: to become tramp legal, tramp legal, that's right, And that 207 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: was really where I was like, and I know you've 208 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 3: been through a similar journey yourself. You realize, you know, 209 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 3: it's like it's an internal thing, it's an external thing, 210 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 3: and you was, Okay, if I'm going to lose, if 211 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 3: I'm actually going to become healthier, everyone gets there in 212 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 3: their own way, right, But don't you think it's like 213 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 3: eventually the penny drops. Like it's just about awareness, Like 214 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 3: it's about paying attention. It's about going. It's a lot 215 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 3: of ways you can dance around it, but at the 216 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 3: end of the day, you have to care. You have 217 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: to pay attention with like what you're eating. You might 218 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: get seduced by just doing heaps of exercise and so 219 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: you can still eat whatever you want, but it will 220 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 3: last for only so long. It comes down to whether 221 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 3: it's intimate and fasting like light and easy, whatever it is. 222 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 4: It's about calories. 223 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 3: And calories out, Like there just is no if you're 224 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 3: doing extra exercise, that's small calories out. But that is 225 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 3: what the science is, like there's just no other way. 226 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 3: That's how the body works. 227 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 4: So anyway, that's where I began to get my head 228 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 4: around going. 229 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 5: No, but isn't there like supplements I can take like 230 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 5: a bill, just like I remember just learning for the 231 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 5: first time, I got an app where you had to 232 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 5: like enter in everything you're eating, and you were just like, are. 233 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 4: You kidding me? 234 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 3: Like a small fries is four hundred calories and an 235 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: egg is ninety, like just and lettuce is nothing. Just 236 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 3: getting my head around what you know food was. 237 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: There's different kinds of calories, so like those different kinds 238 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: of calories, like egg calories are different to fry calories. 239 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 4: They really are. 240 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 3: And that's probably your next step. My first step is going, 241 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 3: let's just get under the number. 242 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 243 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 4: Then the next. 244 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 3: Step is let's put better calories in your body than 245 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: just lollies, because of course, yeah, you could just have 246 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 3: you want to stand to two thousand calories or whatever 247 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: it is. Yeah, you could just have I guess, like 248 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 3: eleven cans of coke, but you can't have anything else 249 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 3: for the day and you'll die. 250 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 4: I just really shiver. But for the first time in 251 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:24,479 Speaker 4: my life, because I wasn't. 252 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 3: Really a sporty. I never was that like athletic growing up. 253 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 3: And I don't blame my school. I think they offered 254 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 3: me a tempting choice. At the school. I went to 255 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 3: a really sporty school. You could either do. We didn't 256 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 3: have Saturday in the morning sport. We had Wednesday afternoon, 257 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 3: and so you could play sport or go home at lunch. 258 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: Out of here. 259 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 4: I'm out of here. 260 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 3: And so when you're eleven, you had to stay at 261 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 3: school and do something called sport ed or aka dud sport. 262 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 3: So I was like, you're not good enough for a 263 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 3: team or you're not interested in being on a team. 264 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 3: And that year for sport ed was circus tricks. So 265 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 3: I just learned how to juggle. I'm a great juggler, 266 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: So I learned how to juggle and do devil sticks 267 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 3: and stuff like. Basically I learned busking. 268 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, rad straight to Edinburgh bus. 269 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 3: If slack lining had been invented, I would have been 270 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 3: slack lanning. He while you guys learn something that gives 271 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 3: nothing to society, because absolutely nothing it is that started 272 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 3: coming on. So learnt that, and then the next year 273 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 3: you could you could go home. So we've tried our 274 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 3: hardest with you here. Just get off the property. 275 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: That's the way the way I talk to people about it. 276 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 2: I've done a couple of big bicycle rides and Amy's 277 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 2: grand for one. 278 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: Do yah is one, which is I've done a few times. 279 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 2: And I say to them, is like, so that's five 280 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 2: hours of riding one hundred and twenty k's. I think 281 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 2: it's about two and a half thousand meters of elevation. 282 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: Yep, all right, and it's hard, It's really hard. 283 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: And that was I showed them the Strava saying that's 284 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: three thousand calories. That's less than a kind of a 285 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 2: drive through supersized meal that you might. 286 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 4: You could eat three thousand calories in a meal. 287 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: In ten minutes. You can eat that? And the brutal 288 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah you can. 289 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 2: And what was my friend Ruben He wrote a book 290 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: about his Rubin Mehman is his name, books called Big 291 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: Fat Myths. He always says, it's very easy to out 292 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:11,479 Speaker 2: eat your exercise. 293 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: It's very hard to out exercise you're eating. Can't outrain 294 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: a bad. 295 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 3: Diet, you cannot unless your Michael phelps, like literally unless 296 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: you are because like you know how like at the Olympics, 297 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 3: it was like this is what he eats in a 298 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 3: day because he's doing ten thousand calories a day. Yeah, 299 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 3: because that guy's in the pool for like twelve hours 300 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 3: and he's redlining. But that's just a wild again. You're 301 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 3: like at the total edge of human performance, not a 302 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 3: day to day recommend you. 303 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 4: But that's the thing. 304 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 3: It's like in a funny way, like because I was like, 305 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 3: all right, I got interested, I was like, actually prefer 306 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 3: to be for the first time, you know, psychologically, I'd 307 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 3: be interested to know if this was your feeling too, 308 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 3: because like, I know, you're you're a heavier teen. 309 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it was one hundred and twelve when I 310 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: was seventeen. 311 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what happens to your teenagers is actually 312 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 3: really interesting psychological thing because I didn't have any beloe 313 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 3: that this could. I just wasn't one of those guys, right, 314 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: you have that internal voice going, oh, I can't be 315 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 3: a fit guy because you didn't learn it when you 316 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 3: were fifteen. It's on us too, like I mean, yeah, 317 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: you know we opted out right, like to some extent, 318 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: Like I mean, it wasn't it wasn't like people were 319 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 3: trying to this is gar We did other stuff, right, 320 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 3: But then you face this thing where later in life 321 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 3: you're beginning to get interested in maybe doing stuff like 322 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 3: big bark razer, but I was I was interested to 323 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 3: find I had the voice inside me going, oh, but 324 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 3: that's not for you. You can't do that, And that's 325 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 3: the thing you had to kind of overcome. Everyone cracks 326 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 3: that nut in their own way, but to learn, oh, 327 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 3: you can be that person, you just I just had 328 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 3: that barrier inside me. So I really enjoy going through 329 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 3: that process and becoming a bit more aware about my 330 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 3: body and then seeing what you could do. Like I 331 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 3: do have a I did discover inside me ran about 332 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 3: thirty that I have a bit of a taste for 333 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 3: hard endurance events, like all things that seem hard to me, 334 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 3: and I think part of the attraction, and you do 335 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 3: find it a lot, and like men and women that 336 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 3: like end up in like the ultra endurance world, you know, 337 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 3: like your David Goggins is your classic. You know, he 338 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 3: was a massively overweight dude. Now he's like, you know, 339 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 3: the baddest dude on earth. I think when you're suffering, 340 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 3: like when you're at the right that limit of you're herding, 341 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 3: you develop a fascination of going, yeah, but I'm proving 342 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 3: to that voice that I can do this. As well 343 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: as just the satisfaction of doing it. It's got an 344 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 3: extra layer of gratification. I think for people that have 345 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 3: maybe had it sometime in their life, I believe that 346 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 3: they couldn't do it. There's an extra layer of I 347 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 3: reckon right in that dark, dark hurt locker, right at 348 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 3: the edge where everything screaming for you to give up. 349 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 3: That just gives you an extra dodge to keep going 350 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 3: to go, but I can't believe I'm here, And what 351 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 3: if I went a little bit further. 352 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: We are going to get back in just a moment 353 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 2: with mister Hamish Blake. If this podcast is something you enjoy, 354 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: if there's something that somebody you think you know would enjoy, 355 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 2: please share it with them. 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Hamish Blake has 366 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: troubled all parts of Australia. I wanted to know how 367 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 2: he felt, what it was like when he was out 368 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: there experiencing all of this glorious land has. 369 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 3: To offer immense smallness, like immense tininess. I think, like 370 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 3: especially in the Kimberle and the you know, like through 371 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 3: Central Australia, the top end. You know, I know, and 372 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 3: I'm the same like you know what we we're in 373 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 3: that generation that's like trying to undo or at least 374 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 3: recognize the patterns that we've learned and going okay, you know, 375 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:59,479 Speaker 3: well meaning people in our upbringing, but zero proper appreciation 376 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 3: indigenous culture and you know, aside from just the stuff 377 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 3: we like very basically learn about, you know, the first fleet. 378 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 3: Just like you said, there was a huge disconnect. It 379 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 3: was an interest. It was like, hey, this could be interesting. 380 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 3: Isn't this interesting the way that you know, our Aboriginal 381 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 3: people have lived anyway back to our way, rather than 382 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 3: any deeper understanding or getting to walk and understand and 383 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 3: learn from the stories of that are there. If you 384 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 3: can look and find so being out in those places, 385 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 3: and especially you know, walking with traditional learners and having 386 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 3: a glimpse, albeit just for a day or two, just 387 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 3: crazy smallness. I reckon just seem like I love this 388 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 3: country because it's my home land as well, but I 389 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 3: don't really. That's that feeling of like, well, you know, 390 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 3: well I'm thirty nine and it's like a blip and 391 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 3: you think and yeah, that number is in your head, 392 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 3: like sixty thousand years of untouched, perfect harmony. There's just 393 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 3: that thing of like going, man, I just feel like 394 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 3: I'm understanding the surface. I just feel like you've walked 395 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 3: on the surface of the land and you have these 396 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 3: little touch points to the real deeper connection, like the 397 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 3: absolute understanding or the oneness of the land that comes 398 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 3: when you when you are there with like First Nations 399 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 3: people who have that understanding. So I think it's that 400 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 3: normal mixture of emotions is just like oh, I just 401 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 3: didn't I. 402 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 4: Don't I don't know anything. I don't know anything. 403 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 3: I love this place like it's this is of course 404 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 3: my home country, and we all walk upon it and 405 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 3: it's all our also our home country, but we don't 406 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 3: understand it properly, and it lights up a huge hunger 407 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 3: to want to know more and to just to want 408 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 3: to be out there more and to understand it. But 409 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 3: I think even when you said before like just red 410 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 3: Earth and the Milky Way, like just being out there 411 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 3: in that, I think is just good for the soul. 412 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 4: I reckon that's the first step. 413 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 2: I found it the very first time I was out there, 414 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: like in the middle middle middle bit, I found I 415 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 2: was shooting and I found myself whispering to our camera 416 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: man like we were the only humans and besides the road, 417 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: there was no structure man made structure to the horizon 418 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 2: in every direction, and we're whispering to each other because 419 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: we realized. 420 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: Oh wow, we're the smallest thing here. 421 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 3: The bigness, the bigness and like the actual truist amount 422 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 3: is about how big Australia is. And you know, there's 423 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 3: probably a deep but there's probably a bit more of 424 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 3: a spiritual meaning to it too, because it is absolutely 425 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 3: the bigness of the country and the I don't know, 426 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 3: you just feel like a total guest, like a fleeting. 427 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 4: You feel like a fleeting can be as a human being. 428 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 3: You feel like you're out there for a moment, and 429 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 3: especially as a whack guy. You feel like, I feel 430 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 3: like I'm out here for a moment and then getting 431 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 3: to walk and learn from you know, from traditional owners, 432 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 3: you're like, Okay, now I've got to touch point to 433 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 3: something that's a lot bigger than a moment. But that's 434 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 3: that's I just I just constantly felt that. 435 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: Well. 436 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: I remember being out there once and we were walking 437 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 2: with one of the custodians of the place we were at, 438 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 2: and they were a white person but they lived with 439 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: the community. And this person was saying, oh, you know, 440 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 2: I was at this waterfall or something the other day 441 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 2: and some of the people from the community were telling 442 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 2: me the story about an owl, and the way they 443 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 2: were talking, she was like, I thought it was a 444 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 2: creation story. I thought it was a dream time story. 445 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 2: Because the tense in the language, and they're broken English, 446 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 2: what they were able to translate. I thought it was 447 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 2: a dream time story. It must have happened, you know, 448 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: sometime whatever. Anyway, So just came back there the next 449 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: day an hour flew out the cave, and it really 450 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 2: it really hit home to me that the way we 451 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: see time and the way in many ways these cultures 452 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: see time are two completely different things. 453 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 4: Totally. 454 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 2: And it wasn't fifty thousand years ago. It happened, that's all, 455 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 2: And it happened there. 456 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 4: And ancestors and everything's walking as one. 457 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: It's now a part of the land. 458 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think I have a huge desire to 459 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 3: understand more and to learn more, and to spend more 460 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 3: time learning a lot more, and I think and trying 461 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 3: to understand a lot more about different in each in 462 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 3: this cultures in Australia. But that's certainly one of the 463 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 3: things you're just like, oh, we just begin to it 464 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 3: as how many preconceived notions you bring and how much 465 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 3: you just assume you bring your own weird filters and 466 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 3: backstories to it, which of course you have because you've 467 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 3: grown up how we grow up in different different society. 468 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 2: And the other thing that blows my mind is that 469 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 2: the dream time stories we get, they are the stories 470 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 2: that you're allowed to hear before you've passed through any ceremony, as. 471 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: Far as I understand it. So I asked, what did 472 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: we hear? 473 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 2: And this person says, we're getting the basically the things 474 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: you tell the toddlers. 475 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 3: Of course, and when you think about it, like when 476 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 3: was the last time you read a dream time book 477 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 3: at primary school, like it's the Rainbow Serpent. 478 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 2: That's yeah, exactly, but they're the things we get. But 479 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 2: if you pass through ceremony, you become an elder. The 480 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 2: wisdom I think therefore I am that wisdom is all there, 481 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 2: but we just don't hear it. And so because this, 482 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 2: I wonder the hot I guess it's not really hot take, 483 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 2: but I wonder if if the only stories we heard 484 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 2: were toddler level, did the people who first encountered were, ah, 485 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 2: they're kids. Yeah, well going on, No, we just can't 486 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 2: tell you that because you haven't gone through the pain 487 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 2: ceremony that see the scar here, I earned the scar, 488 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: and because of the scar, I now know this incredible 489 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 2: wisdom that my culture keeps secret. 490 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: I wonder about that. 491 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 3: Sorry, no, agree, I agree, But that's the you just 492 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 3: hit by, like, oh man, there's you just there's just 493 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 3: so much we don't know so much, so much. 494 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: And that was just a taste of Hamish Blake. 495 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: You can find the rest of that conversation that episode 496 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 2: three hundred and ninety two scroll back in the feedal 497 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 2: here balancing work and family life, what he loves as 498 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 2: a cyclist, both on the road and on the mountain, 499 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: and what he likes to meat this time in his life. 500 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: He's an extraordinary human being. 501 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 2: He didn't have to come to my house and do that, 502 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: but he did, and he said afterwards, note I wanted 503 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 2: to do it right. He's truly a gracious human. And 504 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 2: there's another gracious human that he didn't mention in that show, 505 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: Harry Garside. He's our guest on Wednesday. I can't wait 506 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 2: here to hear this one. There's a lot to talk 507 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: about masculinity because you know, Hamish Blake. 508 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: Father of the Year four obvious reasons. 509 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 2: There's you know, a couple of blokes standing up there 510 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 2: on that hill, that lighthouse of what modern masculinity should 511 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 2: be or could be. I should say Hamish is one 512 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: of them, Harry's another, and I know you're gonna love 513 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: it on Wednesday. So thanks, thanks for listening to this 514 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 2: quick version of Hamish's interview, and we're here on Wednesday 515 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 2: with Harry. For more is to get on the substack 516 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 2: links in the show notes. 517 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: Here's the credits. I hope you enjoyed the show. 518 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 6: This episode was brought to you by Andy Maherr on 519 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 6: Audio post production Becksided on video post production, toe Hider 520 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 6: on music. My executive function assistant is Monica Chapman for 521 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 6: every episode ever. 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