1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: Jenny Brian, Welcome to the mentor. 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 2: Oh thanks for having a remark. Very excited. 3 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 3: It's pretty bloody cold here has Actually it's cold, but 4 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,239 Speaker 3: it's a clear morning. Chriss anything. I can hear the 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 3: birds hopefully, I guess can hear the birds all around us. 6 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 3: We're one of those beautiful, chilled out, relaxing places that 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 3: I've ever been, and we're here right now in Seplus 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 3: Field in South Australia. Actually, I went for drive around 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 3: this morning and I just couldn't believe it's I feel 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 3: like I've been taken back in time. Like there's beautiful 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 3: old homes everywhere. I saw sheep everywhere. It's not something 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: we normally see in the city and my brain got 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 3: a bit of a reset just by looking around. It's 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 3: silly but pretty simple. But yeah, I feel quite relaxed. 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: And chilled out. 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 3: I don't I don't feel like I need to do 17 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,639 Speaker 3: my box breathing. It's been done for me just by 18 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 3: listening to birds. But hand out cookerbarros. Haven't heard many 19 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 3: cooker barrooughs yet because my favorite bird in the world, 20 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 3: like particularly is Australian, but is a cooker bar. I 21 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 3: love Cooker Barrows. I love the fact they get up 22 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 3: before everybody else and they they start making a lot 23 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 3: of noise early, basically to scare off everybody else so 24 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 3: they can go and get whatever it is they're after. 25 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 3: I love Cooker Barrows. I'm so happy I'm in South Stralia. 26 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 3: It's pretty cool. Now your business is Beyond Wellness. We're 27 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 3: going to talk about that at the moment. That's a 28 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 3: big topic these days, especially particularly for me, and so 29 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: you're the founder of Beyond Wellness. It's a wellness retreat 30 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 3: concierge service right here in the Barossa Valley. 31 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: It certainly is. 32 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: It's a pretty cool job, a great business, my job. 33 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: I love my job. I think I have one of 34 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:48,279 Speaker 2: the best jobs in the world. 35 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 4: And I haven't always been in this space, like we've 36 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 4: been operating since like twenty eighteen. 37 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: Just before COVID. Yes, wow. 38 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 4: And with that came as challenges of course, you know, 39 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 4: like the big vision was to establish a retreat center 40 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 4: here in the Barossa. 41 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: I'd never had any. 42 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 4: Real business experience, like I've worked in government and not 43 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 4: for profit. 44 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: We go there, can we talk tell me where you 45 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: did work? 46 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 2: I did? 47 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 4: Yes, of course, So I started off in local government 48 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 4: here in Adelaide and then moved across to Melbourne and 49 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 4: worked for the City of Yarra, So that's like where 50 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 4: the MCG is and so within that role was a 51 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 4: lot of like community based work and it was a 52 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 4: very diverse community to over in Melbourne. 53 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: But I loved it. 54 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 3: When you say worked in government, love government, that's councils, 55 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 3: I guess what you mean, but that is in an 56 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 3: administrative capacity. 57 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 2: No. 58 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 4: I actually started off in sports and recreations sector and 59 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 4: then moved into major events partnerships, so working closely with 60 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 4: the community to really help better their lives. And that's 61 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 4: sort of what got me into a lot of partnership work, 62 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 4: which I just loved doing. 63 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: Partnership means what though in terms of what you were doing. 64 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, So partnerships is about partnering the community, understanding what 65 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 4: is needed in community and then working with not for 66 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 4: profit organizations, local community groups and then coming together to 67 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 4: try and figure out how is it that they can 68 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 4: make where they live better. 69 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: And so. 70 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: You have to have a fairly strong understanding of the 71 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 3: wish list of the community, correct, But equally you have 72 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 3: to sort of have a bit of an understanding of 73 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 3: what it is that people need just instinctively, like they're 74 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: wishless a lot of times is what you don't know? 75 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 3: What they don't know, So they may have wishless. They 76 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 3: mightst say I feel like crossants and you know, donuts 77 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 3: every day. But to some extent you have to be 78 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 3: a bit more forceful personal in what it is that 79 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 3: they need. Sometimes we need to tell the community or 80 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 3: members of the community, what does they need without sort 81 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 3: of being shoved at down their throat. 82 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think, you know, like for a community 83 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 4: like Melbourne and like the inner city part there is 84 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 4: such diversity in terms of those that have and those 85 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 4: that have not. 86 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so how is it you can come. 87 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 4: Together to figure out, well, how is it that you 88 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 4: can create equity or you know, that discernment of giving 89 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 4: people the life that they want to live. Like for me, 90 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 4: and it's sort of been a theme throughout my whole 91 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 4: life is meeting people where they are, you know, genuinely 92 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 4: coming in to listen and then from there going okay, So, 93 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 4: how is it that we can partner to figure out 94 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 4: a way forward? And you don't always get it right, 95 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,679 Speaker 4: and you don't always give people exactly what they want either, 96 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 4: So that's interesting. 97 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: So you use the word equity. Equity is an interesting word. 98 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 3: And if somebody thinks that they want something that someone 99 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 3: else has got a lot of times, unless they've been 100 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 3: exposed to the thing that they think will give them equity, 101 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 3: it's not always as good as it sounds or seems. 102 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 3: A lot most times, you've got to be careful what 103 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: you wish for. 104 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: How is it that? How do you or. 105 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 3: How did you sort of make that discernment and sort 106 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: of say, Okay, I know what you're after as a community, 107 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 3: but I don't know if that's sort of something you 108 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 3: are really going to embellish or love once you get 109 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 3: exposed to it. 110 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: I mean, how do you do that? Like because you're 111 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: you're sort of like. 112 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 3: Godlike nearly Yeah, you know, like it's a pretty heavy 113 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 3: responsibility to make sure that you bring equity to communities. Yeah, 114 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,799 Speaker 3: that's a big, big responsibility, particular when the community doesn't 115 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: really even know what they want because I haven't ever 116 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 3: been exposed to it. 117 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 4: Well yeah, and I think but sometimes you get to 118 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 4: see how other people are living, or there's opportunity or 119 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 4: you're wanting something more, and I think through when there's talent, 120 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 4: and with challenge and adversity can come innovation and change. 121 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 4: And so for me, how I've always worked is making 122 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 4: sure that you come like listening, like really listening and 123 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 4: being curious. And then from there it's like, okay, well, 124 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 4: trying to get at the heart of what people want 125 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 4: and then figuring out what the path forward is and 126 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 4: then who is it that can come around to the table. 127 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 4: I did an amazing creating Shared Value program in Boston 128 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 4: and that was all around, you know, trying to solve 129 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 4: really hard things. But then how is it that community 130 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 4: come together, government and business where they all play a 131 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 4: part to solve really big challenges. And that's how I've 132 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 4: always driven everything that I do. 133 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: Sometimes it comes at a bit of a detriment. 134 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,799 Speaker 3: I think it sounds like a lot of deep thinking. Yeah, 135 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 3: a lot of deep thinking, a lot of deep searching. 136 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 3: What told does that take on someone? 137 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: I think I can definitely speak from experience. 138 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 4: I moved from working in government to working in a 139 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 4: corporate setting and I was working across Melbourne and Sydney. 140 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: I've been brought up to work really hard. 141 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 4: Be independent, listen to people, and my work ethic is 142 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 4: really strong and with that, I think and I've experienced 143 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 4: like a couple of times of big periods of burnout 144 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 4: because I want to do a good job. Sometimes I 145 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 4: work too independently and keep striving forward. And for me, 146 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 4: when I'm at that period of burnout, it's probably I've 147 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 4: gone well over the point of where I should have 148 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 4: done something previously, and that has led me to sometimes 149 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 4: you know, withdrawing, not always going to the right vices 150 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 4: perhaps and then just keep going. And you know that 151 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 4: sort of stress and burnout is real? 152 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: How do you know? 153 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 3: And we hear a lot about it often wondered where 154 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 3: a lot of people talk about it actually experience because 155 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 3: it's nearly trending. But how do you know? Because it's 156 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 3: different everybody, But how do you know? How does Jenny 157 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: know when she's either approaching burnout or is you don't 158 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 3: know when you're approaching burnout? But it's you know when 159 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 3: you're in burnout because it's already too late. 160 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: How do you know? What are your signs? What are 161 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: you looking for? And what does it mean? Burnout? 162 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 3: Like you're completely stuffed, you can't get out of bed, 163 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 3: you're catatonic or what are we talking about here? 164 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: I think it's physical or both. 165 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 4: I think it's changed over time during my first period 166 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 4: of burnout when I was working in a corporate setting. 167 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 4: Looking back, I understand what those signs are, like I 168 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 4: withdraw and don't see friends. 169 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: But not purposely. 170 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: You just purposely. But I, you know, looking back, that's 171 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: how it felt. 172 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: These are not sleeping first, withdrawal. 173 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, withdraw The second is around like my sleep was impacted. 174 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, not sleeping well? 175 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, not sleeping well? 176 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: What does not sleeping well mean? Like you know, lesson 177 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: It's just like a couple of hours in. 178 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: That sleep is more around broken sleep, hard. 179 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: To get to sleep, waking up a lot. 180 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: Waking up a lot, and ruminating. 181 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: Right like when you're awake. 182 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I wake up in the middle of the 183 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 4: night and then start thinking about things and then not 184 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 4: being able to go back to sleep. But I think too, 185 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 4: it's like those thoughts where if you're feeling tired, you're 186 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 4: not looking after yourself very well. I think the thoughts 187 00:09:55,160 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 4: can start to spiral and perhaps what I'm telling myself 188 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 4: and that voice in my head isn't actually true. 189 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: For example, are you saying you'll be right or are 190 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: you saying. 191 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 4: I like a little bit like doom and gloom. I'm 192 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 4: never going to get out of this? How am I 193 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 4: going to? Like? 194 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: Life is not good? 195 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 3: No? 196 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: Those type it's not. 197 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, And are you abusing yourself with like booze or 198 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 3: something like that? 199 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 4: Like I would say abusing, But because I worked really 200 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 4: really long hours, I would associate getting home and having 201 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 4: a glass or to a wine. 202 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do, But. 203 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 4: It's almost like that was that cut off point, you 204 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 4: know when you come home and trying to stop and 205 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 4: not doing more work or you know, like. 206 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: Whatever it is. 207 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 4: I associated that sort of switching off with having a 208 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 4: glass wine. 209 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 3: Putting a full stop in your day. Yeah, how do 210 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 3: I put a full stop on the day? I'm going 211 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: to have a glass wine? That's that's it. That's the cutoff. 212 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: Nothing past that point because you probably can't do much passing. 213 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 4: And you enoy and you enjoy it, but then of 214 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 4: course then I affection next morning, and then you know, 215 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 4: I would I've always been an exerciser, Like life over 216 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 4: the last few years has definitely changed for me just 217 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 4: because of circumstances, but I'd still get up still thrash 218 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 4: my body, you know, Like I'm very much a type 219 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 4: a personality. So for me, it was like the CrossFit, 220 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 4: going for runs and things like that. So what I 221 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 4: do know is that adrenaline like that high stress cortisol 222 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 4: levels would have been really high. And so you're waking 223 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 4: up in the morning, it's still you're not feeling that great. 224 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 4: It's not like I was hungover, but you're just still 225 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 4: you're not on your game, not on your game. But 226 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 4: I'd still go and do that really high threshold, so 227 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 4: my heart rates up. So for me now understanding because 228 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 4: at that time, I didn't know what was going on 229 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 4: for my body. But I have put things in place 230 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 4: and I now understand what I was doing to myself, 231 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 4: but I didn't know back then. 232 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 3: So just just because two parts of what you just said, 233 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 3: I'd just like to explore a bit more. So. The 234 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 3: first part is, let's call it the markers or the 235 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 3: indicators of it's about to happen. I'm physically so I'm 236 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: physically entering into that mode where I'm exhausted, I'm not 237 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 3: sleeping properly. These are the things you would these days 238 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: you'll be looking out for, and a lot of people 239 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 3: don't even recognize these things. It just happens, not sleeping 240 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 3: properly overthinking things. 241 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: Let's call it. 242 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 3: Ruminating, but like just sort of you know, dialing down 243 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 3: on something that's not good, sort of removing yourself from 244 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 3: your community in other words, less contact with people, friends, family, 245 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 3: et cetera. To some extent. Little it's a little self 246 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 3: destructive self to some extent. Then for some people, what 247 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 3: you say, because I know these sort of people, some people, 248 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 3: what you tend to do then is you then go 249 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 3: even harder the next day, so you're in constant sympathetic driver. 250 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 3: You're constantly in that sort of fight or flight drive, 251 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 3: and you're not balancing it up with your parasympathetic system, 252 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 3: in other words, not going into rest and digest mode. 253 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 3: You're continually on it, and you continually on even when 254 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 3: you're sleep. You're probably not Your heart rate is probably 255 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 3: sitting up in the sixties, probably never getting down to 256 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 3: where it should be. Notwithstanding there you might be fit. 257 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 3: Your heart rate ability is probably not very good. You know, 258 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 3: it's probably hanging around in the twenties or thirties when 259 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 3: it should be up somewhere higher. Probably you're you're respiratory. 260 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 3: You're probably breathing a lot short breaths while you're asleep 261 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 3: and you're not looking for the real signs of where 262 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 3: you should be landing. 263 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: You know, you should be landing in a different place. 264 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 3: And and of course you know, you get out and 265 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 3: you can these days, you can get out on all 266 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,599 Speaker 3: sorts of apps and find out what I should do 267 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 3: in this situation. Once you recognize that this is a situation, 268 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 3: they'll tell you to do, you know, mark, breathe, meditate, 269 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 3: do yoga, you know, do and then you think, oh, stuff, 270 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 3: that's that's not me. But what the it's really sort 271 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 3: of saying to you do is like, just sit down 272 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 3: in this environment, for example, and just breathe out. Yeah, 273 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 3: just have a look around. Yeah, just take stock of 274 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 3: yourself for a second. 275 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: What was the. 276 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 3: Moment you found that? Well, do you remember when you 277 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 3: my god, I've got to do something different. 278 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: Oh I do. So I read the book My Miracle 279 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: Morning by how El Rod. 280 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: But why did you read that book? What encourage you 281 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: to read the book? 282 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 4: I started listening to podcasts to be honest, like back, 283 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 4: you know, gosh, we're talking ten. 284 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: Twelve years or so many around in those days. No, 285 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: there wasn't. 286 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 4: And I heard about the book My Miracle Morning and 287 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 4: it was all about setting up your day. And I've 288 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 4: always been a morning person and I've always been into 289 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 4: looking after myself, but probably not understanding now what I know. 290 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 4: And so the miracle morning was about getting up, doing 291 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 4: some practice of gratefulness, practicing gratitude, doing some journaling, doing 292 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 4: a little bit of meditation. And then that started me 293 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 4: on this journey. So I just tried it. I didn't 294 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 4: like it at all, but I started to feel a 295 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 4: little bit of benefit. And then I started researching about, 296 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 4: you know, the benefits in your body. 297 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 2: That's where it all started. 298 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 4: And then I went through some and then once I 299 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 4: started it was that introspection, you know, like really starting 300 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 4: to slow down, you know when you're journaling things things 301 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 4: come out that you're like, oh, I didn't know that, 302 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 4: and yeah, absolutely, And then also those moments of you 303 00:15:54,880 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 4: know that meditation, the mindfulness. I remember starting it and 304 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 4: I was like, this is crazy. I do not like 305 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 4: meditation or mindfulness at all. But I persisted with it, 306 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 4: and I started to notice little sort of spaces in 307 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 4: my day. And when I was working in the corporate sector, 308 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 4: I just needed a break. I wasn't taking holidays, and 309 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 4: so I. 310 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 2: Looked for a retreat. 311 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 4: Never been on a retreat before when over to Bali, 312 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 4: as you do. But I went to this Arivedic retreat 313 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 4: and all I wanted to do was to sit around, 314 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 4: get some massages and just to slow down. And what 315 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 4: I found there was just completely different. It was I 316 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 4: went there for a holiday just to relax and really 317 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 4: walking away. Not that I knew it then, but that 318 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 4: was a seed of where I am today. 319 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: So what did you learn there? In hindsight? What do 320 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: you think you found? 321 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 4: I found because it's like based on the Arivedic traditions. Yeah, 322 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 4: so it's an ancient Indian sort of philosophy, and so 323 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 4: they it's grounded in yoga and meditation, you know, vegetarian food, 324 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 4: but these incredible treatments, like these massage treatments and oil 325 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 4: treatments and just things that. 326 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 2: Would just really ground you. 327 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 4: You know, you talk about like we're here and that 328 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 4: sort of that connection back to self. 329 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: And I just and I met. 330 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 4: The owner there, and he was one of those people 331 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 4: where he could just look into your eyes and look 332 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 4: into your soul and started to have these really amazing 333 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 4: conversations and started asking me questions and sort of these. 334 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: Deep inner workings. He was just like one of those 335 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: people that you just like look into your eyes. 336 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 4: And that really started to luck on lock something for me, 337 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 4: and it's. 338 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 2: Started to change my life completely. 339 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 4: And then what it did was reinforce the habits that 340 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 4: I was doing before I left Sydney for the holiday 341 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 4: and then came back. And then that led me onto 342 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 4: a totally different path. 343 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 3: So, you know, you're running wellness business now, but like 344 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 3: in terms of retreats and concers, et cetera. But that 345 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 3: decision then to ditch your corporate world and set up 346 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 3: a business that's not something easy to do. It's not 347 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 3: an easy thing to do. That's that's pretty hectic. Yeah, 348 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,239 Speaker 3: I mean the corporate world's pretty full on, but the 349 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 3: small business world is emore full on in terms of commitment, time, effort, money, stress, 350 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 3: every other bloody thing. 351 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: As we all know. How did you approach it? Well, 352 00:18:59,359 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: it was. 353 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 4: So I was working for a corporate company for quite 354 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 4: a long many years and I'd been trying to get 355 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 4: a redundancy. Yeah, and finally got one, which is awesome. 356 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: That always helps. 357 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, and so I decided that I wanted to take 358 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 4: a six month sabbat a cool I really take a break, 359 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 4: and so I rented out my apartment in Melbourne. I 360 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 4: went and did a little bit of study in Boston, 361 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 4: intentional to do some trouble and the other side of 362 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 4: it is I wanted to go do some pro bono 363 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 4: work somewhere in the world. But I am a plan 364 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 4: to a fault at times. But I wanted to do 365 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 4: things differently, so I didn't beside the study. I decided 366 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 4: that I would take things. 367 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: As they come anyway. 368 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 4: So I met some amazing people in Boston and then 369 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 4: it sort of led me to Vietnam and I was 370 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 4: working for a leading not for profit there and I wanted. 371 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 2: To do three months pro bono work there and it 372 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: was the. 373 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 4: Not for profit had about two hundred and fifty not 374 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 4: for profits underneath them, so communist country, you know. Like 375 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 4: so I saw a lot of diversity in the in 376 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 4: the country, and I was working with businesses as well, 377 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 4: so it was like, how is it that business can 378 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 4: contribute to the community, and how is it that community 379 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 4: can work with business And it was never done before. 380 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 4: And part way through the board then offered me a 381 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 4: role to start up a new division there and so 382 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 4: that's where I was working and around the same time. Well, 383 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 4: towards the end of my stay there, my sister got 384 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 4: reported missing and she was wow, yeah, she was living. Yeah, 385 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 4: she was in South Australia, in. 386 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: Adelaide, missing in Australia. Yeah. 387 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 4: And she had over the time some challenges with addiction, 388 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 4: and so there was a point where you know, she 389 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 4: was living on the streets and like I was taking 390 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 4: its toll on my parents and my family. Yeah, And 391 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 4: so I decided then to resign from my role in Vietnam. 392 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: So, which is how I landed here in the. 393 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: Barossa and did And your sister. 394 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 2: Today, Yeah, she's doing well. 395 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: She's fine. 396 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 397 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 3: And then but those family moment changes can be quite significant. 398 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 3: How's it affected you know, why you decided to go 399 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: into business? I mean, is there an overall effect from me? 400 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, do you know what I did? So I 401 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 4: had I had already planned to go do two retreats 402 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 4: in Bali. So I was going back to where I went. 403 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: Australians take Australians there for it. 404 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:48,479 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I was. 405 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 4: So I came back here and so I went back 406 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 4: to the first retreat I went to in a silent retreat, 407 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 4: and at that point when I'd come back, I was, 408 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 4: you know, we've I'd found my sister and that she 409 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 4: was looking to, you know, make changes in our life 410 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 4: and so and really at that point I didn't know 411 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 4: whether that change was going to be sustainable. So I 412 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 4: went back to BALI I had no idea what I 413 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 4: was going to do. Was I going to go back 414 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 4: to Melbourne, go back to my corporate life, or do 415 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 4: I stay here in the Brossa And so I took 416 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 4: a sketch pad, no idea what I was going to do. 417 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 4: I love mind mapping and sort of when I'm at crossroads, 418 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 4: and so I started at the Silent Retreat and I 419 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 4: came up with my business. Never had I thought about 420 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 4: owning my own business, but I knew, particularly after everything 421 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 4: had been through the wellbeing practices and then I was 422 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 4: helping my sister a lot of things. I thought, I'm 423 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 4: going to do this because I'm a strong believer that 424 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 4: you can do, you know, small simple things in your 425 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 4: life as long as it's with consistency, that can help 426 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 4: you be your best. And that's the premise of the business. 427 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 4: And so I came back at that time because I 428 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 4: was still helping my sister. I was living back with 429 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 4: my parents. 430 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 2: I was forty four at a time, forty. 431 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 4: Four forty five at the time, and so at the 432 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 4: same time of helping my sister, I was set up 433 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 4: in the spare room, had you know, posters and everything yesterday, 434 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 4: and I was sketching out the business like and that's 435 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 4: where it started. 436 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 3: So yeah, and what would you say at the time, Yeah, 437 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 3: was your biggest challenge? 438 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 4: My biggest challenge was that because I wanted to build 439 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 4: a retreat center in the Borisa Like that was my vision, 440 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 4: like an actual retreat, like an actual bricks and mortar 441 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 4: beautiful place, because there was nothing really in South Australia 442 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 4: and it's such an opportunity. 443 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 2: And I believe in this space so much. 444 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 4: And you know, I think so collaboration and partnership is 445 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 4: a heard of everything that I do. 446 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,479 Speaker 1: That's where your experience is too. 447 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is very much. And I believe that all. 448 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: Together all the assets, yes, yes, into one place. 449 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: Into one place. 450 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 451 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 4: But I didn't know how to establish a business, let 452 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 4: alone a multimillion dollar business. And so for me then 453 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 4: I'm just like, so I go and find as many 454 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 4: people as I can, talk to people and just like 455 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 4: try and figure it out. 456 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 3: So that was so that's interesting thing that part, that 457 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 3: collaboration piece, because obviously to set up your own retreat 458 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 3: that's expensive. Maybe that's a dream for the future because 459 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 3: there's capital intense. You know, it requires lots of money 460 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 3: and probably not money probably not the best spent way 461 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 3: to set something up side. 462 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: Of the business. 463 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 3: But the collaboration piece or bring the assets together. So 464 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 3: what would the assets be for example, that you need 465 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 3: to bring together to run retreats the way you do? 466 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 3: So what are we talking or type vessets we're talking about. 467 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,239 Speaker 4: So now how the business evolved is I go then 468 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 4: partner with like places like here we're at cabin in 469 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 4: sepples Field, beautiful place set in nature. And so what 470 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 4: I do is partner with the accommodation providers. 471 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: So that's one asset. 472 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 2: One assay is that. 473 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: So another asset might be for example food food. 474 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 4: Yes, another asset is the deliveries of like I'm not 475 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 4: a yoga teacher or anything like that. So I bring 476 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 4: in like these amazing contractors that can help facilitate. 477 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: And then it is around. 478 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: How do you how do you talk me into it? 479 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: Like I would We're at the cabin at the moment, 480 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: Why why would? Why would? 481 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 3: What's you're selling? Like when you when you talk to them, 482 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 3: what do you say, I can make you more money? 483 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. Well, what's what's the sell? 484 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: I mean? 485 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 3: And this is that sounds like this is the sort 486 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 3: of stuff you did when you're in council. Sounds like 487 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,959 Speaker 3: this stuff when you're in corporate. 488 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 4: Because I'm trustworthy, I work hard. I come in and 489 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 4: I try and get to know so I don't just 490 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 4: partner with anyone like I work really hard at relationships 491 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,479 Speaker 4: and so for me sometimes that takes a little bit 492 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 4: of time, but I think there is value in that 493 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 4: because I have been burnt over the time with partnerships 494 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 4: and so it is around aligning brands and ethos. 495 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 2: It is around like delivering on a promise. 496 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: So get to know them and then get to know them. 497 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, get to know them understanding what is in it 498 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 4: for all of us. You know, For me about collaboration 499 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 4: is that when you come together, I think the pie 500 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 4: is bigger. And that as long as you understand where 501 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 4: people are coming from and what's important to them and 502 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 4: what's in it for them, and then you come up 503 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 4: with something that can work for it on. 504 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: So do you have sustainability. 505 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 3: It's got to have a future in terms of sustainability, 506 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 3: not to about environmentally as much as talking about business 507 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 3: model as such as sustainable business model. That is, I 508 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 3: can you can continue to bring to you more or 509 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 3: guests who might stay at your assets. It's not going 510 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 3: to be a one off. It's going to be whatever 511 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 3: over and over and over again. So you're convinced can 512 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 3: convince them and obviously going to be convinced yourself that 513 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 3: this is a sustainable business model for them for them 514 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 3: to invest their assets into. Yeah, so like so that 515 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 3: that's not just physical assets like this one here, but 516 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 3: that's also services suppliers. Let's just talk about your suppliers. 517 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:33,479 Speaker 3: How do you what's the ethic that you're tending to 518 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 3: look for relative to your suppliers. So let's talk about 519 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 3: yoga or meditation or well. Then first off, give me 520 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 3: all the names all the things you do supply to 521 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 3: your your customers, your guests. 522 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 4: So we do everything from yoga pilates to meditation, We 523 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 4: take people on guide to walk through conservation parks. 524 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 2: We do like corporate well being is a big part 525 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 2: of what we do. 526 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 4: As well, So we'll go into corporates and help them 527 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 4: design a well being strategy, or come in and do 528 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 4: mindfulness or like the team building and coaching side of things. 529 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 4: So really, when I think about it, it's like, what 530 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 4: are all the parts of your overall health and wellbeing 531 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 4: or how are the opportunities that can give people to 532 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 4: disconnect and then we create amazing services with that. So 533 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 4: we partner with Forestry Essay, so we have license agreements 534 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 4: that allow us to take us into different parts of forest. 535 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 3: And can I just step up with the objective of 536 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 3: that though, for example to go into the South stral forests, 537 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 3: which I'm sure pretty cool. The objective of that of 538 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 3: and or also the explanation that you give to your 539 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 3: corporate retreat partners is that it's an experience with nature 540 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 3: or it's it about reconnecting with nature or what or 541 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 3: is it curiosity as to what nature can show me? 542 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's all of that. 543 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 4: It's about like awe and wonder And as you say, 544 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 4: you know, when you're You've just said, as you're driving 545 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 4: here this morning, you're out of the hustle and bustle 546 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 4: of the city. You're taken away from what you would 547 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 4: typically do in your morning, and you're looking around and 548 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 4: you're hearing the birds, and you're like connecting with nature, 549 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 4: and it just gives you a different perspective. And it's 550 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 4: all of those things that we do in the forest. 551 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 4: But it's like, you know, moving your body, Yeah, movement, movement, 552 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 4: like it's deep breath, it's like looking around. But I 553 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 4: think when you take people out of their natural setting 554 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 4: or normal setting, and particularly from a corporate perspective, I 555 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 4: think you think better. It allows you to slow down 556 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 4: and then you get to start to be more creative. 557 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 4: You can connect with the people that are around you, 558 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 4: and when you do do that frequently, it allows you 559 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 4: to be better, allows you to be better as. 560 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: A person, You feel better as a Yeah. 561 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 2: You'd like all of those things. I think we live 562 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 2: in a world now. 563 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 4: Where everything is just going, go, go, go go, and I 564 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 4: think that has its place. But I also think that 565 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 4: when you I always say light where the yin to 566 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 4: the boss is yang in this setting, it's like, how 567 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 4: is it that you can give yourself those opportunities just to. 568 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 2: Slow down and connect. 569 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 4: And with that, I think you're better at home, You're 570 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 4: better in relationships you're better at work, better performance, all 571 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 4: of those things. 572 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: We've got more to talk about too. 573 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I actually think that these environments really are 574 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 3: unbelievably disarming. So they disarm you, and I don't mean 575 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 3: in a bad way. I mean actually for me, put 576 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 3: you back more on a natural state. Because the office 577 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 3: environment or the home of environment, which is mostly telephone 578 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 3: based and screen based, they build barriers to proper connection, 579 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 3: Like you tend not to talk to people. Definitely, if 580 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 3: you're working from you don't even see anybody. 581 00:30:58,880 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 4: What. 582 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 3: It's really handy and convenient, and you pick your kids 583 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 3: up or whatever, you can take your dog for walk, 584 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 3: whatever the case may be. It's also quite isolate, isolating, 585 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 3: and I do I can see the sense of what 586 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 3: you're talking about, getting everyone out together walking through the bush, 587 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 3: especially this train bush. I love this train bush. Walk 588 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 3: through the bush, and you know, with the consent of 589 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 3: the forestry commissioner whatever they call themselves here and talking 590 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 3: and just sort of all looking and enjoying the same things. 591 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 3: No phones get I get it, I actually get it, 592 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 3: and I think that's brilliant. So when you bring them 593 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 3: back back back to one of your assets, not your asset, 594 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 3: but the asset you're collaborated with, for example, here, what's 595 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 3: the next thing? 596 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: What are they what are you trying to get them 597 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: to experience. 598 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 3: Outside of the bushwalk, outside of the activity, physical activity? 599 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: What's next? 600 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,239 Speaker 4: Well, I mean a lot of the things we do 601 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 4: is around organizing multi day retreats and it's just so 602 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 4: interesting to see people. So when they arrive, their shoulders 603 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 4: are up like this, you know, they're looking. 604 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 2: For stuff to do. 605 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: Where's my phone? 606 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 4: Where's my phone? They look at the program and they'll go, okay, 607 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 4: so I've got a gap here for an hour and 608 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 4: a half. That means I could go for a walk, 609 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 4: I can go into you know, the main street, I 610 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 4: can do this and do that. But we're purposeful in 611 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 4: terms of that downtime, and it's interesting you watch people 612 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 4: and then the next morning they slowly start to sort 613 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 4: of let go a little bit, like let go of 614 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 4: the group. And then we're very deliberate in terms of 615 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 4: the types of things that we do. So it's always 616 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 4: amazing food. 617 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: And what's amazing food to you? 618 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 3: Now? 619 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 4: I just think, you know, good food that is pretty clean, 620 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 4: but it's you know, quite often Mark, we'll have people 621 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 4: that will they'll tell us at the end of their 622 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 4: retreat stay that they've stashed things like, you know, chocolate 623 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 4: and some chips and things like that, because. 624 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: I've kept in my pocket the whole time. 625 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 4: Handmore matic because I think, like sometimes I think people 626 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 4: think about like healthy food is We're going to feed 627 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 4: them carrot sticks and celery. 628 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 2: It's not that at all. 629 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 4: It's about good, nourishing, wholesome food that tastes good, that 630 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 4: digests really well. Because I don't think you need to 631 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 4: You don't need to have the green juices and all 632 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 4: of those things to be healthy. It's about what is 633 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 4: that nourishes your body. And then we do some you know, 634 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 4: take people and walks, do some yogat, we run workshops 635 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 4: things around on stress management or you know, how to 636 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 4: breathe or any. 637 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 2: Of those types of things things around purpose. 638 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 3: Does it sound ridiculous how to breathe? I mean, like 639 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 3: I took some of my staff from Sydney up to it. 640 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 3: I'm like, you've got a farm and I've got to 641 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 3: retreat there. And I brought in a breath work guy, 642 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 3: and I had my senior leadership team. There was eight 643 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 3: of us, include myself. I did the same thing I did, 644 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 3: and we did breath work, and like it's an hour 645 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 3: of it of it and none of them ever done before. 646 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 3: And it's quite revealing. My breath work does, yeah, quite revealing, 647 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 3: including to myself and the different responses, but just the 648 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,399 Speaker 3: experience for everybody was quite important, I think. 649 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: And also doing it together and looking at each other 650 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: in the eye. 651 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 3: A few times we stop and you stand up and 652 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 3: look each other in the eye and you say something 653 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 3: that you just felt to that person about yourself to 654 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 3: that person, and confronting a bit, but at the same 655 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 3: time very honest, being honest to yourself. 656 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 2: It's liberating and that's what I find. 657 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: Too, if you're open to it. 658 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 4: If you're open to it. But that's another thing about 659 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 4: the things that we do. Always like meeting people where 660 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 4: they are, you know, sometimes it can be down them, Yeah, 661 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 4: and it's a seed can be planted. 662 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,240 Speaker 2: I remember. 663 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 4: The first retreat I went on. I didn't understand the 664 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 4: impact that it was going to have on me long term. 665 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 4: And I think with when people start to relax and 666 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 4: let down their guard, it allows that vulnerability, and I 667 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 4: think there's courage in that. 668 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 2: I don't I'm. 669 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 4: Without sort of courage you can't be vulnerable and letting down. 670 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 2: And I think everyone's the same. 671 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 4: You know, when you take people out of their environment 672 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 4: or the corporate setting, you're in different clothes, you're doing 673 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 4: different things, and when you have those moments that you 674 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 4: can connect. 675 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 2: I think everyone goes through their challenges. Everyone has hard 676 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 2: things that go on, but we're not always in a safe. 677 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 4: Environment that allows people to be honest. But when you 678 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 4: can understand that the person in front of you is 679 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 4: going through some pretty hard times as well, have that connection, 680 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 4: and I think with that is where a change can happen. 681 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 3: I don't think it's possible for that your customer, your 682 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 3: guests would however you call them, I guess a guest, 683 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 3: but to actually experience the things you were talking about, 684 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:18,720 Speaker 3: unless you know through your own experience, through your own experience, 685 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 3: exactly what they could be going through. Everyone's got a 686 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 3: specific thing, but you know what the outcomes are. You've 687 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 3: been through it yourself, and you know you've got to 688 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 3: set up this business to deliver some perhaps some solutions, 689 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 3: or at least some precursors to solutions. Obviously, everyone's going 690 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 3: to make their own solutions at the end of the day. 691 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 3: But you know, like, I think it's really important that 692 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 3: when you go down this track, if you know, if 693 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 3: you're a corporate and you want to retreat, or if 694 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 3: you're just a husband and wife, you're someone you want 695 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 3: to retreat yourself on your own, or you want to 696 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 3: do with your family, or you want to mark a 697 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 3: celebration or an anniversary or something. These sort of they're 698 00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 3: not just getaways. These opportunities to be introspective in relation 699 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 3: to yourself might be a bit challenging sometimes, but probably 700 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 3: the people who find it challenging are the people who 701 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 3: really need the challenge and probably actually deal with the 702 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 3: challenge the best because a lot of people because they 703 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 3: don't want to challenge to the reasons, because they're so 704 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 3: damn driven that they think that the only thing that 705 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 3: matters is the thing that they're doing at the moment. 706 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: I'm one of those people. 707 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 3: I'm like that because I think, well, that's the anything 708 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 3: that matters in the world, what I'm doing right, I'm 709 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 3: not going to give a stuff about anything else. Get 710 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 3: out of them my way, because I'm just driving for 711 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 3: one outcome. And I know that's when you can get 712 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 3: you can become quite vulnerable to yourself. That's sort of 713 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 3: when the problems start to occur and all those things 714 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 3: start to happen, like you just said, isolation, not sleeping well, 715 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 3: lacking mindfulness in relation of what you're doing. You don't 716 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 3: even know, don't even know how to enjoy a cup 717 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 3: of coffee in the morning. The first thing to do 718 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 3: is to throw the coffee down because you need to 719 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 3: hit caffeine. You're not actually smelling it, tastes, feeling it, 720 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 3: et cetera. You're not even sitting down for once for 721 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 3: three I don't even I have three misses sit down 722 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 3: and don't have a couple of copees as well. 723 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: Bullshit. 724 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 3: Of course you got three minutes. In fact, you did 725 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 3: not even deserve three minutes as mandatory. You take the 726 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:13,760 Speaker 3: three minutes. 727 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 2: I couldn't. I couldn't agree. 728 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 4: More so last year, like over the last probably twelve 729 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 4: to eighteen months, I've had some really hard times, Mark, 730 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 4: and all of my practices, most of them went out 731 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 4: the window because of that exact thing, you know, like 732 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 4: always something to do, you know, looking after a little one, 733 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 4: trying to develop the business, challenges with family, you know, 734 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 4: like all of those things and all of the practices 735 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 4: that helped me stay well. I stopped and you know, 736 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 4: like the question that you asked me. 737 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 2: Earlier around. 738 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 4: You know, burnout last time, like last year, and like 739 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 4: over the last twelve months, Like that was a different 740 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 4: feeling of burnout. And it was through me actually being vulnerable. 741 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 4: I've never really been good at asking for help, like 742 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 4: in terms of like great for partnerships, great for connection, 743 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,760 Speaker 4: all those types of things, but for what I really needed, 744 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 4: being vulnerable, I found that really difficult. And it was 745 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 4: through having some really amazing friends that sort of started 746 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 4: to pick up on that and started to notice the 747 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 4: difference in me and then actually saying, well, actually I 748 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 4: don't feel okay. And through that I started picking up 749 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 4: my practices again, you know, like the because I would 750 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 4: get up Mark, I'm an early riser, you know, I'm 751 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 4: generally up by about four point thirty, and I would 752 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 4: get up and go straight to work, sit at my 753 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,919 Speaker 4: desk and work and then work all through the day, 754 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 4: go into the night. 755 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 2: And that's not good. Like I I know now that 756 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 2: my output isn't great, my thinking isn't clear. 757 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: I can't be it can't like, but. 758 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 4: You know, at the time, I think that that's how 759 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 4: you strive and get ahead. And then I started back 760 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 4: to my practices. Getting up, I do a cold plunge 761 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 4: in the morning, I will do some meditation, do some 762 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 4: journaling and just really reconnecting back to myself and gosh, 763 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,320 Speaker 4: like I'm so much better. Like I'm a better mum, 764 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 4: I'm a better business person, I'm more creative and all 765 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 4: of those things. But it's so easy. I think when 766 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 4: you're at that hustle, bustle, go go go, that you 767 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 4: don't realize that you're in that point. But when you 768 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 4: start to do these things that are good for me, 769 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 4: Because my morning routine or my things that are good 770 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,280 Speaker 4: for me might be very different to you or anyone listening, 771 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 4: but you have to find what works for you. 772 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 2: And I'm a really big believer in that. 773 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: So what's thinking about that? 774 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 3: As many years ago I wrote a book called What 775 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 3: It Takes And in one of the chapters I talk 776 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,359 Speaker 3: about I talk about taking a step back from your 777 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 3: life and getting out of the wrestling in the mud 778 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 3: and just have a look at what you're doing, like 779 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 3: literally have an objective step back from yourself and have 780 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 3: a look at yourself. Just take a moment. And I 781 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 3: think I mean I was lucky enough to be able 782 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,320 Speaker 3: to do it myself. But I think sort of wellness 783 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:31,839 Speaker 3: retreats or going into environments like this with what I 784 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 3: call a professional person, someone like yourself is running it 785 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,879 Speaker 3: with all the assets we talked about before he put 786 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 3: them all together. 787 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: That's another way of actually taking a step back. 788 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,759 Speaker 3: If nothing else, it helps you just reflect quickly, even 789 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 3: if it's just for a moment, and it might just 790 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 3: plant that seat. Hang on, mate, it's now about time 791 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 3: you start to just think about yourself a little bit, 792 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,840 Speaker 3: be a little bit selfish. That sounds terrible, but because 793 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 3: I think generosity of some people's generosity can kill them 794 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 3: in the end too much. You know, giving, giving, give 795 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 3: and giving giving, We've got to take a little bit, 796 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 3: you know. That's why they say when you're on there 797 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 3: a plane, like if it's going to carry on, crash 798 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 3: and the oxygen comes down, and give yourself the oxygen first. 799 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:11,760 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean be selfish. 800 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 3: It means because unless you've got the oxygen first, you 801 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,840 Speaker 3: can't help anybody. If that's your nature, give, give, give generals, 802 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 3: general generous if that's your nature. And also, you know, 803 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 3: work your ass off, work really hard all the time. 804 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 3: Then you've got to give. You be a little bit 805 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 3: selfish sometimes, and I think retreats is a bloody great 806 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 3: way of doing it, particularly here and where we are 807 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 3: in the Bross Valley. I just think that you know 808 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 3: what you're doing beyond wellness is a great thing. And 809 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 3: it's also quite therapeutic for yourself too, because you're in 810 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 3: a constant remind of what you should be. 811 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:41,320 Speaker 1: Doing for yourself. 812 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 4: It is very much so. And I think too, and 813 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 4: I can't. I'm not very good at like there. I 814 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 4: wouldn't say this in like our marketing in sales, because 815 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 4: it is extraordinary. The change that I see in people 816 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 4: from when they first arrive to when they leave, and 817 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 4: that can be just for two nights, is amazing. Like 818 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 4: you just see people's shoulders drop, they're slowing down. The 819 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 4: conversations that you have. That's probably one of my most 820 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 4: favorite things about hosting retreats is the really deep conversations 821 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 4: that you have with people and you just get to 822 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 4: know them so much more. But then it's the unpacking 823 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 4: of things. It's like the being present, it's being where 824 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,359 Speaker 4: you are right now. But also that opportunity because quite 825 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 4: often I think people aren't really happy with what's going 826 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 4: on in their life for many different reasons. And so 827 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,839 Speaker 4: with that sort of facing of actually what's going on 828 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 4: and then going okay, well, what could be the small 829 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,280 Speaker 4: steps you can start to take in order to change 830 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,399 Speaker 4: the way you're living your life? And for me it's 831 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 4: around purpose and connection and impact and quite often the 832 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 4: conversations that we have is like, you know, if you 833 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 4: were we were sitting here in twelve months time, would 834 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 4: you want to be saying the same thing five years time, 835 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:02,560 Speaker 4: let alone ten years time? 836 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 2: And quite often the answer is no. 837 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,320 Speaker 4: So then how is it you give yourself enough space 838 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,239 Speaker 4: and time to think about, well, what would I be 839 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 4: doing differently? 840 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 3: Well, the wake up call is something that we all 841 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 3: need to have every now and then. Jenny O Brian, 842 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 3: founder of Beyond Wellness, which has written on your shirt 843 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,880 Speaker 3: there Beyond Wellness. I think it's been a great conversation and, 844 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 3: by the way, a pretty special moment for me sitting 845 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 3: here in the Bross Valley. 846 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,960 Speaker 1: Just absolutely beautiful. Weather's awesome and thanks for giving me 847 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: that Timely reminded. 848 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,800 Speaker 2: Too, Thank you. It's pleasure.