1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fear and Greed the week Ahead. I'm Sean Aylmer, 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: and as always I'm joined by economist Stephen Coucoulis. At 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: this time on a Monday morning, you'll find him at 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: the cook dot com and on x using the handle 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: the Kirk Stephen. Good morning and a very good morning, Sean. 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: A bit of a lull now old economics at the moment. Well, 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: there is no such thing as a lulk when you 8 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: got Donald Trump in the world. But at least figure 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: wise we had last I mean, the consumer sentiment and 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: business sentiment was kind of interesting, particularly the consumer sentiment stuff. 11 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Westpac Consumer Sentiment index jumped another five points, 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: so telling us that consumers love raycuts. That was the 13 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: most comprehensive survey since the raycut in the middle of February. 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 2: So that's a good sign because when consumers are feeling optimistic, 15 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 2: they've probably got a little confidence about their job security, 16 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: about it's time to buy a major household appliance, which 17 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: certainly showed up in some of the subsets of the numbers. 18 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: So we consumers still net nega lived. There are still 19 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: a few more pestiments than optimists, but compared with where 20 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: we were, say six or twelve months ago, consumers sentiment. 21 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: I won't say it's drawing back, but it's coming back 22 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: quite nicely. And you know, economics works, right, cuts do 23 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: tend to have a more positive influence than not. 24 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: Economics works. I love that Stephen tell me as if 25 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: we needed to be confirmed of that. Of course it 26 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: works this week. The labor force figures. I mean, not 27 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: a lot I run, but we have labor force figures 28 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: and they're important. 29 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: They're really important, of course, and they're one of the 30 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: ones that IBA Governor Michelle Bullock highlighted and has highlighted 31 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 2: DEVI since she's had the role and probably even before 32 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: she had the role as governor as one of the 33 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: really important ones at the RBA look at when it 34 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: comes to judging what to do with interest rates. And 35 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: you know, it's fair to say that over glash well, 36 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: the last year we've had a remarkably resilient labor market 37 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: that we've had a very chunky average thirty to forty 38 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: thousand jobs every month, apart from a little bit of 39 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: polatility month on month. So that's like a real solid 40 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: momentum of job creation. The unemployment rate, which got to 41 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: four percent about fifteen months ago. Today is four point 42 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: one percent. So again that's just arounding here in the statistics. 43 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 2: So you've got this sort of really incredible dynamic when 44 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: the economy has just been muddling along pretty sluggishly, that 45 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 2: we've had this pretty good level of job creation, that 46 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: the unemployment rates basically flat to just a tiny smidge 47 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 2: and high that it might have been a year eighteen 48 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: months ago. And that's why these numbers are important. You know, 49 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 2: we know that a lot of the jobs that have 50 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 2: been created in the last year have been what we 51 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: call the non market once government jobs in other words, 52 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: so healthcare, age care, education, ndis related, and there's nothing 53 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 2: wrong with that, but that's just where there have been. 54 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 2: The private sector has been a bit more sluggish in 55 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: terms of hiring, and as the Harba has been saying, 56 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 2: there comes a point where the public sectors hired all 57 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: the nurses and teachers and cares. That it leads to 58 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: and I think what month that happens. Who knows? It 59 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: could be this month, which is why the market consensus 60 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: is for a slight pullback in employment growth and maybe 61 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: plus ten thousand and the unemployment rate probably to tick 62 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: up from four point one to four point two percent. 63 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 2: But you know, we'll watch that one with a huge 64 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 2: amount of interests. 65 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: Well, also here from Sarah Hunter, who's basically the chief 66 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: economist for the Reserve Bank. 67 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Sarah Hunter's doing a brilliant job. I happened to 68 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: watch her at the House of Reps appearance of the 69 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 2: senior RBA officials, what was that a couple of weeks ago, 70 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: and she gave a really wonderful analysis of some of 71 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: the things that are confronting them and concerning them too. 72 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: You know, they're brilliant economists, but they're not infallible, and 73 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: that's not criticism. Because we've got this really interesting dilemma 74 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: with productivity the labor market, as we mentioned, you know, 75 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: job creation with not much economic growth. What on earth 76 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: is going on there? And we've had wages growth on 77 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: another little decelerating. So here's Sarah Hunter's chance to sort 78 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: of just give a bit of an update from what 79 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: the RB was thinking a few weeks ago. Because we 80 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: have had the wages numbers, the GDP numbers, and a 81 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: few other bits and bobs have come out and dare 82 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: I say it, we've had some volatile policy settings out 83 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,119 Speaker 2: of the US. I don't know how it was that politely, 84 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: but that's what we've been seeing and it does have 85 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: implications for Australia and it does have implications potentially for 86 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: what the RBA does. So her speech is going to 87 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 2: be watched very very closely for any update on the 88 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: RBA think. 89 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: And we've got a few central banks of this week 90 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: deliberating on interest rates. Out to see central banks. 91 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 2: Yes, we do again a really good week in no 92 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: particular order. But you've got the Fed, which is in 93 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: particular or actually because they're probably the most important one. 94 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 2: And look, the current betting is no change in rates, 95 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 2: even though we had reasonable US inflation numbers last week. 96 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: You know, the down draft, if we can call it 97 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: that in the stock market is causing a little bit 98 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: of concern. But for this meaning, because we just don't 99 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 2: know quite what the impact on the US economy will 100 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: be of the tariff policy, the FED will be on hold, 101 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 2: and probably mister Trump will be very upset about that 102 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: because he wants lower rates. Our friends at the Bank 103 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: of Japan confronting, you know, a really different scenario. They're 104 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: rate hikers at the moment because they've got well for 105 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: the first time in what twenty twenty five years or something. 106 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 2: A little bit of an inflation issue there from a 107 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: whole bunch of structural demographic issues, so the boj might 108 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 2: be hiking just a tiny bit not given. And then 109 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 2: our friends at the Bank of England, goodness for old 110 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 2: UK economy muddling from crisis to crisis, they may cut again, 111 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 2: although they've got there's a residual concern that a lot 112 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 2: of us have about that inflation momentum. They've already cut 113 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: quite a lot already too, so it's that sort of 114 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: more of a lineball call. But again, watching what's happens 115 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: to interest rate setting from these big three central banks 116 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: will be really important. And don't forget the Bank of 117 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: Canada that actually did cut last week too, So there's 118 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 2: still some cuts going on in big comparable economies to us, 119 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 2: and again that'll be interesting to see just what happens 120 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: to these other big ones later this week. 121 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: And Joe the Wee Stephen will do thank you. That's 122 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: economist Steven to Cook curl Us, better known as the Kooki. 123 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: You can find here at thekook dot Com at t 124 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: h E K K O U K T A G 125 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: e k O UK dot com. Don't follow him on 126 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: x using the handle the kok. I'm sure ailman, this 127 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: is here, and greed the weak ahead