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Speaker 1: Hi, my boris and this is straight talk. Andrew Hamilton, Well,

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Speaker 1: straight tour mate Mark. Hello, It's good to be here,

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Speaker 1: so tell me what the fuck happened?

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Speaker 2: Good question, please search won't oh fuck?

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Speaker 3: Next thing, you know, the raptor scadn is smashing through

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Speaker 3: my door with a battering ram. I ran upstairs and

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Speaker 3: started flushing drugs.

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Speaker 2: Down the toilet.

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Speaker 3: But this raptor scored guy like tackle me to the ground.

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Speaker 3: He had like his knee in the back of my

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Speaker 3: thigh and he just goes, stay down in fat cunt.

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Speaker 3: You've got a twenty cock. I think I needed to

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Speaker 3: have the fall to really appreciate everything. I think I

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Speaker 3: needed that setback. I'm much happier now living with my

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Speaker 3: parents and doing stand up comedy than I ever was

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Speaker 3: making money as a drug dealer.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Hamilton, Well, straight tour.

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Speaker 3: Mate, Mark, Hello, it's good to be here.

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Speaker 1: You know what this was really weird. One of the

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Speaker 1: reason he hear is my younger son dms me on

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Speaker 1: believe the dms me not he doesn't send me missing

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Speaker 1: was the dms me on my Instagram account from his

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Speaker 1: Instagram account little clips of You, and this has a

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Speaker 1: bit some months ago and I just went, you know,

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Speaker 1: did you get them thumbs up? And something goes, oh, Dad,

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Speaker 1: you don't understand the dear. You know you don't get it. Dear,

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Speaker 1: you don't you don't understand it. The piss take dud

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Speaker 1: because I know you were And this.

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Speaker 2: Is my fake business podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: And he said, Dad, it's a piss take he like

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Speaker 1: he was my son was saying the piss is he

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Speaker 1: thirty two? He was saying the piss out of me.

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Speaker 1: He's saying, yeah, silly, old fuck.

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Speaker 3: This is what you sound like.

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Speaker 1: You don't understand this ship. This is you Dad, like

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Speaker 1: you read it. And anyway, and welcome, welcome, well, thanks,

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Speaker 1: And what's the T shirt?

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Speaker 3: Mate? Confit con Fit. Yes, my my mate Joe Kwan

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Speaker 3: owns a gym in Paramouna that's run all by x

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Speaker 3: cons so stands for Convict Fitness yep. But I kind

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Speaker 3: of I got connected with Joe from doing a previous

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Speaker 3: podcast I had where I was just trying to interview

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Speaker 3: people who had similar stories to me where they'd gone

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Speaker 3: through ship and then turned their life around. And so yeah,

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Speaker 3: Joe now runs CONFIT in Paramatta and they also have

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Speaker 3: a social enterprise called Confit Pathways where they go into

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Speaker 3: Sydney or New South Wales juvenile detention centers and help

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Speaker 3: guys that are locked up to turn their lives around

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Speaker 3: through through fitness or they get help them to get

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Speaker 3: university scholarships. It's awesome, but that's pretty cool. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: very cool. And so they're training the hell out of

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Speaker 3: me at the moment. And so I go in there

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Speaker 3: every day and I've got a whole bunch of ex

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Speaker 3: cons yelling at me.

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Speaker 1: So I want to go back a little bit. You

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Speaker 1: acquit yourself quite well when you speak, and part of

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Speaker 1: your gig now you maken do itut of being the

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Speaker 1: way you speak. And we'll talk about this. You know,

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Speaker 1: your tour coming up. I want to talk about your

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Speaker 1: book coming up and your podcast, et cetera. But if

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Speaker 1: I just you know, I know lots of ex cons

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Speaker 1: in my life. Fortunately for me, I do know them,

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Speaker 1: I say as that fortunate thing. I'm lucky to know

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Speaker 1: these individuals. But not many of them have quit themselves

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Speaker 1: very well, like wonder One, and a lot of them

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Speaker 1: have come shit environments, most of them, in fact, dreadful environments.

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Speaker 1: Turn me back to who Andrew Hamilton was when he

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Speaker 1: was at school. Where'd you go to school? Where'd you live?

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Speaker 1: Grew up Sydney, Melbourrisine a step in Sydney.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in Hornsby and I had a very

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Speaker 3: happy childhood. I was one of five kids. I went

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Speaker 3: Standy Nation's College.

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Speaker 1: So you're you're a Jesuit boy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jesuit boy.

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Speaker 3: My dad was actually a Jesuit scholastic for like almost

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Speaker 1: Most by the way, most people, Andrew don't realize that

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Speaker 1: a Jesuit scholar is a thing. It's they're actually quite

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Speaker 3: Right, And you have to do it for like over

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Speaker 3: a decade to become a Jesuit priest. Yeah, so yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think just for it to become just a standard

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Speaker 1: And how old are you now?

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Speaker 1: So were you at rev Whenma Costello was there. Father Costello, No, okay,

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Speaker 1: he's a friend of mine. He was the resident precept

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Speaker 1: was crazy. What he knew about shit he knew about

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Speaker 1: was amazing. And his influence was mental like he's influence

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Speaker 1: in politics, his influence in business he had. They're very

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Speaker 1: good at infiltrating processes. So you're a kid nor sure,

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Speaker 1: Mum and dad great family, jesuit education. You left year twelve,

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Speaker 3: Then wasn't four?

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Speaker 1: What did you do?

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Speaker 3: Then? I didn't really know what I wanted to do

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Speaker 3: with my life. I went and just started studying an

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Speaker 3: was pretty aimless. And then I I did that for

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Speaker 3: I was getting into many fights at pubs, and so

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Speaker 3: went to Charles Stitt University in Bathist to just have

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Speaker 3: be very interested in and was good at, which was

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Speaker 3: public relations.

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Speaker 1: Like as and comm's communications. Yes, yeah, yeah, so likes

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they had there. I enrolled there, went there,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you probably don't get it up to as

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Speaker 3: It was different. There was a lot of drinking and

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Speaker 3: Well, I I got close to graduating. I think I

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Speaker 3: was being asked by employers because they would recommend anyone

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Speaker 1: Like reternships and stuff like that exactly.

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Speaker 3: So I got recommended for a job, I went and

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Speaker 3: so I was like, well, I don't need the fucking

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Speaker 1: So I got the job.

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Speaker 3: So I just a job doing what working in public

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Speaker 1: So just quickly defined to us what public relations means,

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Speaker 1: like you're talking about corporate relations, or you're talking about publicity,

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Speaker 3: So I was working mainly for corporates in helping them

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so sometimes putting you into the paper if you've

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Speaker 1: which is pretty much the PR mantra exactly. And good

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Speaker 2: I was very good at that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so how long? How long did you do that? For?

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Speaker 3: About ten years?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's probably most of your life. Yeah, but I

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Speaker 1: just put to take you into your thirties. Yeah, so a.

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Speaker 3: And so I worked at a small agency and then

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Speaker 1: Wow. So I was telling me what the fuck happened?

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Speaker 3: At the same time, I was just a degenerate alcoholic

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Speaker 3: Really, I was just a mess man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just I was like after hours obviously.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was after hours until the last few years

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Speaker 3: My gambling problem started when I was about eighteen, like

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Speaker 3: going to Thailand with a bunch of mates and trying

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Speaker 3: magic mushrooms and we fell in love with them. And

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Speaker 3: a psychedelics, Yes, psychedelic magic mushrooms, and I had such

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Speaker 1: Did you do it? Did you do it? Did you

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Speaker 1: do it for fun or recreation or did you do

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Speaker 1: it for securitive reasons?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: For fun recreation?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, So we were partying. We were at a

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Speaker 3: place called Mushroom Mountain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can get these magic mushroom shakes, and

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Speaker 3: I think it's dangerous to live without it. My experience

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Speaker 1: And by the way, we judge ourselves pretty hard to like,

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Speaker 1: The drugs are like you're going to have with your

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Speaker 3: So that was a business that grew and grew and grew,

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Speaker 1: Hard to spend.

444
00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, hard to spend. I mean I tried my best mark.

445
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,199
Speaker 3: I was putting about eight grand of coke up my

446
00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,520
Speaker 3: nose a week, and I was spending a fortune on

447
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 3: eating out at rest.

448
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,560
Speaker 1: What period twenties, early twenties, This is.

449
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,080
Speaker 3: No, this is recently. This would have been like when

450
00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,200
Speaker 3: I was thirty five.

451
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,080
Speaker 1: So what's a grammar? Coke course, Now gramdma.

452
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,240
Speaker 3: Coke is like three hundred bucks, and that's not even

453
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,160
Speaker 3: a gramd. That's like point seven of actual coke.

454
00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:01,480
Speaker 1: So three hundred bucks, set's three grams of a thousands of

455
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,440
Speaker 1: twenty four twenty four grams a week.

456
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 3: Well I was I'm talking like wholesale what it cost

457
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 3: to me. So I was doing about twenty eight grams

458
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,159
Speaker 3: of coke a week. Fuck now, yeah, I wasn't fucking about.

459
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,159
Speaker 1: So you would have been completely not incoherent, but you

460
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:20,080
Speaker 1: would have been completely not in reality. Yeah, the whole

461
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,920
Speaker 1: world's fine, exactly, nothing's gonna happen, no, exactly. I think

462
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,399
Speaker 1: I thought I was too smart, and I thought I

463
00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,200
Speaker 1: was just too low key to ever get caught. And

464
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 1: so I was just selling drugs out of my house

465
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 1: in Surrey Hills, out of a townhouse. But it was

466
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:34,919
Speaker 1: like such a big house and it was on a

467
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 1: busy street that I thought people were never going to

468
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 1: notice people just coming to knock on my door every

469
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:39,400
Speaker 1: now and then.

470
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 3: And I had a business which was just people that

471
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 3: had to be referred by someone, so I didn't have

472
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,400
Speaker 3: any like weirdos scratching at the door at three am.

473
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 3: And so yeah, the money started to pile up and

474
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 3: I needed something to do with it. And so I

475
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 3: had ordered so many pizzas during cover, and I didn't

476
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 3: like any of them. I was like, I'm going to

477
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,160
Speaker 3: open my own pizza restaurant. And so I just contacted

478
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 3: made of mine, who's a share and told him my idea,

479
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 3: and then we opened up a pizza bar and King's Cross.

480
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,440
Speaker 2: It was called called Brooklyn Crispy.

481
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 3: Which was selling like American style thing and crispy pizzas.

482
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,640
Speaker 3: And I had two dogs that my girl my fiance

483
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 3: was getting poppuccinos for, like those like dog yeah Capital coppuccinos,

484
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 3: and so I was like, well, we should do something

485
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 3: for dogs. So we started selling dog pizzas, which was

486
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 3: like a nutationally approved pizzas for dogs. And all the

487
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 3: gays of Pott's Point have dogs instead of kids, so

488
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 3: they'd spend fifty dollars on a human menu and one

489
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 3: hundred dollars of the dog pizza.

490
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,479
Speaker 1: Men, it was crazy good business. They're actually good business

491
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 1: decisions though.

492
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I had good ideas.

493
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 3: It was just a shame that, yeah, it all kind

494
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 3: of fell apart. But so what happened?

495
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 1: Were you pushing the cash through the joint. That not

496
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 1: really the lord of the money it was.

497
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 3: It was just to try and make the business a

498
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 3: successful business. I wasn't trying to clean the drug money

499
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 3: through it. But and what I realized was just how

500
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 3: much fucking money it costs to get a restaurant off

501
00:21:59,000 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 3: the ground.

502
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and successfully you need to.

503
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you need to run at a loss for quite

504
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 3: a long time I think before. That's why I think

505
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 3: most people that are running restaurants must be drug dealers

506
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 3: or crims, because I don't know, you have to have

507
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 3: a big financial runway just to get it to be.

508
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,479
Speaker 1: That's a very interesting point too, by the way, Like

509
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 1: how do they fund these things? Yeah, a lot of

510
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: people borrow money against the house or the parents' house,

511
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: or the gun, borrow money from the bank.

512
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 3: But you need a lot. I think you need to

513
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 3: be running at a loss for like at least two years

514
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 3: before you start to really become.

515
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 1: Most small businesses today don't matter what it is, even

516
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 1: it's not a restaurant, like a lot of probably eighty

517
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 1: months to two years is about the period it takes

518
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: to start to break even even yea. So you run it,

519
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 1: you run a piece of joint.

520
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 3: I've had plenty of people tell me that, like trying

521
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 3: to have a buddy lady operation through a restaurant was

522
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 3: a bad idea. I should have had either a hair

523
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 3: salon and you just pour shampoo condition down the drain

524
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 3: and so you've done, you know, two two thousand wash

525
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 3: and dryers today, or maybe like a doggy daycare. Yeah,

526
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 3: just so, yeah, we dogs out one hundred dogs today

527
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 3: would have been a much cheaper operation than trying to

528
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 3: run a fucking restaurant.

529
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 1: But but they're good experiences, guess for you too.

530
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

531
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was very proud of it. Like in my head,

532
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 3: like this is the delusion I had. I was going

533
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 3: to open five or six restaurants.

534
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: Delusional.

535
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to open about six or seven

536
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 3: of these restaurants, franchise around Sydney, and then I was

537
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 3: going to stop drug dealing once like these were profitable,

538
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 3: and then live off that.

539
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: Because you wanted to get out of drug dealing, they yeah, exactly.

540
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 3: I didn't think it was it was a long term

541
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,479
Speaker 3: thing forever, and so I did. In my head, I

542
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: thought I had an exit strategy. But I also spoke

543
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 3: to a lot of guys when I was locked up,

544
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 3: and you know that, you know, I think they would

545
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 3: have got to the point where I had six or

546
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 3: seven businesses.

547
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 2: I want to come up with another excuse to keep

548
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 2: drug dealing, Like.

549
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: You think because too easy.

550
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,239
Speaker 3: You just think it's never going to end. You think

551
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 3: you're too clever. You just yeah, you think that you

552
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 3: can just keep going going. There are many guys that

553
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 3: actually like set a goal and say, oh, this is

554
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 3: what I'm out.

555
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: It's funny. And I've had discussions with my sons and

556
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 1: other people about this sort of stuff, saying, unfortunately the

557
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: media TV, it's such you can glamorize drug dealers or

558
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 1: criminality basically, and of the criminals that I've known in

559
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: my life, very few of them actually landed successfully. They're

560
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: either in jar, dead or desperate. Over a period of

561
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: time one of those three, not many of them actually

562
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: turned it any good. It's never glamorous. Usually none of

563
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: those three glamorous, that's for sure. Occasionally might be one

564
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: who just skates through, man, but it's complete about change

565
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: about face. They completely changed their life and they might

566
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 1: just skate get through, but always looking over the back

567
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: of their shoulder thinking is someone going to bring someone

568
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: up from my past. Is the cop is going to

569
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 1: knock on my door because someone's given me up on

570
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: something or other, or is there somebody I crossed who's

571
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: going to spray my house with bullets or something. It's

572
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: a pretty it's a shit goal. At the end of

573
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: the day, it is.

574
00:24:59,000 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 3: So what happened?

575
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 1: You've got a red said, Yeah, my house.

576
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 2: Got raided On the fourth of June twenty twenty one.

577
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 3: I was at home. It was a Friday afternoon. I

578
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 3: was high on cocaine. I hadn't slept in about two

579
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 3: or three days. I was watching some guy Reachi movie

580
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 3: and then I just heard this loud crack in my

581
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 3: front door, and I just I thought that some junkie

582
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 3: or something in Surrey Hills had fallen into my door.

583
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,959
Speaker 3: But then I heard police search won't oh fuck, And

584
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 3: it was just so surreal, like I don't know what,

585
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 3: like how much time went on between everything, because it

586
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 3: all seemed in slow motion to me. But like, next thing,

587
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 3: you know, the raptor escorted us, smashing through my door

588
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 3: with a battering ram. I ran upstairs and started flushing

589
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 3: drugs down the toilet. I heard and breach the house

590
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 3: and then I ran and hid behind the bedroom door,

591
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 3: and I was like fat, like I was big at

592
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 3: the time, and I'm just like trying to hide behind

593
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 3: this door to see.

594
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: Me, you know, like like pick.

595
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 3: So they found me really quickly and they threw me

596
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 3: to the ground, and yeah, they told me that I

597
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 3: had the rap. I wrote a joke about it. This

598
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 3: is like one of my first jokes that road was

599
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 3: the raptor score guy like tackle me to the ground.

600
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 3: He had like his knee in the back of my

601
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 3: thigh and he just goes, stay down, you fat cunt.

602
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 3: You've got a tiny cock. And I had pants on,

603
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 3: so I was like had do you know? The joke

604
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 3: I wrote was they must have had me under surveillance

605
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 3: if they knew I had a small cock in your bathroom, right,

606
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 3: So so yeah, it was just a crazy experience that

607
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 3: I just sat on the couch as the house just

608
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 3: was filled with cops and they issued me the search

609
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 3: warrant and went through the house and found found drugs everywhere.

610
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 3: Because at that point I was I was too fucked up,

611
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 3: Like I had a stash house where I kept a

612
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: lot of the drugs, but because I was so coked up,

613
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 3: I got complacent and just like instead of going back

614
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 3: and forth back and forth, I just bring too much

615
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 3: over to the house. And so yeah, it was just

616
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 3: I mean, it was it was a bad day to

617
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 3: get caught, but it could have been it could have

618
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 3: been worse.

619
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: I could have had more in there.

620
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: But so what did you get? What did you get

621
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: convicted of?

622
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 3: I got convicted of large commercial supply of silicon, which

623
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 3: is the active ingredient of magic mushrooms LSD and so

624
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 3: large commercial supply of mushrooms and acid, the supply of MDUMA.

625
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 3: And then because there was such a backlog of cases

626
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: because of COVID, they allowed me to they knocked down

627
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: the cocaine and ketamine that I had to personal use,

628
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: which were about half an out siet and funnily enough,

629
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 3: that's they probably that's within the realms of what was

630
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: personal use for me, but the law usually says.

631
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,239
Speaker 2: That they're not in that kind of les.

632
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: So what was your ends?

633
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 3: So I was in I was locked up in maximum

634
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: security remand for like four months I was in Parkley

635
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: Prison and Long Bay Jail, and then I eventually got

636
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 3: granted bail to my parents place where I was under

637
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 3: house arrest. So I wasn't allowed to leave the house

638
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 3: unless I was in a company. No, no ankle, bracelet,

639
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: But the cops were checking regularly.

640
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: Just bail, this is bail. Yes, I was.

641
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 3: Under house arrest. I wasn't allowed to leave the house

642
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: unless I was the company of my parents, who were

643
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: both in their mid seventies. And so when I first

644
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,479
Speaker 3: saw an ad for open My Comedy competition and decided

645
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 3: that I should go and start doing open mic because

646
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 3: I had to bring my mom along to the ships

647
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 3: and as.

648
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 2: Part of your bail conditions, yeah, I had to.

649
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: I had to bring it to the show. And then

650
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 3: I had to ask if I could go on early

651
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: because I had to get home for my curfew. And

652
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 3: so I started doing that and that started doing going well.

653
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: And so when I got sentenced in July twenty twenty two,

654
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 3: I got sentenced to an Intensive Corrections Order ICO, and

655
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 3: so that I'm essentially doing a prison sentence in the

656
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 3: community right.

657
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: Now, zeron prole basically basically, yeah.

658
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 3: So I have to get permission to leave New South

659
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: Wales still till Christmas this year, and I had to

660
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 3: do two hundred hours community service. But one of the

661
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 3: reasons that kept me out of prison was when firstly

662
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 3: I was doing clean pissed tests, I was doing drug counseling,

663
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 3: I had a full time employment. But also the judge

664
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: like that I was doing stand up that wasn't one

665
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 3: he'd heard before, and he thought that was a very

666
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 3: positive sign of rehabilitation.

667
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and it didn't have anything to do with

668
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: the stylist down to be doing so in other was

669
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: sort of admitting or talking about the things.

670
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: No, we tried to.

671
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 3: We didn't talk about the content of the comedy. That

672
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: could have to risk if he knew that I was

673
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 3: joking about getting arrested to go to prison and joking

674
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 3: about being a drug dealer. That may have brought up

675
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: questions of remorse or anything like that. But so we

676
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 3: didn't get into the content.

677
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: So that's mad though. So you eventually found your purpose,

678
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: but you had to get arrested to do that, right

679
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: And by the way, how'd you feel been locked up

680
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: and put in Remand I don't know where you first

681
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: went to. You would have gone to Silver War, I

682
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: guess Parkley Parkley, So you're Roman in your day one?

683
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: I mean, did they put you out of Sorry Hills?

684
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: Some we did the first, did you at the police center.

685
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you go to the Surry Hills Police HQ

686
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: for a night. So you were sucked up down in

687
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: the dungeons.

688
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: How'd you feel?

689
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean I hadn't slept in days, so I

690
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: just tried to sleep, just try to sleep it off.

691
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: And were you sharing the self?

692
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: I was sharing the cell with a few other guys.

693
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: And was that confronting for you?

694
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: Not really.

695
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: I think that what I've discovered about myself is that

696
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: I'm quite resilient. You know, you don't really know what

697
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 3: you've got in you until you get tested, and so

698
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 3: I've found myself okay in all those situations. I was

699
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: just like, look, you know, this is what's happening. Just

700
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: we'll deal with it one step at a time. And

701
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 3: so I was still deluded though I thought I was

702
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 3: going to get bail. I thought I was going to

703
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 3: front court and just get bail that day and go

704
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: back to trade to drug Really yeah, I thought I'll

705
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: just I'll get some new stock and I'll be back

706
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: on the street and Bang bang Bang start making moves.

707
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 3: But I got refused bail because I was on two

708
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: indicitibles and Bang was on a truck to park Lay Prison.

709
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: And what about guilt, new family and stuff like that,

710
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: how that all work?

711
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I had my first phone call with my parents.

712
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: I think it was like my second day at park

713
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: Lay Prison. I was able to make a phone call

714
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 3: to them, and that was hard, Like it hit them

715
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: really hard. And my dad told me that my mom

716
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 3: had like fainted. I think she was having some health issues,

717
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: but this didn't help. That has exacerbated it. And then

718
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 3: they said to me that they thought me going to

719
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 3: prison might be the best thing that's ever happened to me.

720
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: And what did you think about that?

721
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: I thought that they were probably right, even though yeah.

722
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: He didn't resent that comment.

723
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: No, no, I didn't.

724
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: I thought maybe maybe they were right. And so it

725
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: turned out over the next few weeks is kind of

726
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: my fiance dumped me when I was in prison, and

727
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 3: mates became more and more flaky. That the only people

728
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 3: that were constant there with my parents, and so I

729
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: spoke to them every day on the phone. And I

730
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 3: think that this kind of the stress, that this really

731
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: brought us closer together, and I guess healed the I

732
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 3: guess the gap in our relationship that had been me

733
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: being an unreliable drug addict for so long, you either

734
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 3: like the Black super Family or my brother certainly had

735
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 3: a fair crack at it. But yeah, I think I'd

736
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: be considered that he would be dark gray.

737
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: I'm the black shape.

738
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're clipstim Well I think you did a

739
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: skit or you do a skitter around the meals in jail. Yes,

740
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: tell me about that.

741
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: Well, when I was when you first arrived in prison

742
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one, it was during COVID, right, so

743
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 3: you spent the first two weeks in quarantine. So I

744
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 3: had no TV, nothing to read for the first ten days.

745
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: And so for me, having just been pinched and coming

746
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 3: down from drugs, I was in a really negative headspace

747
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: and had I had no escape. I was just stuck

748
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: in my own thoughts, like you fuck it, what have

749
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: you done? And so as soon as I got a

750
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 3: pencil and a piece of paper, I just was like,

751
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: I need to just have some kind of constructive outlet.

752
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 3: And so as a foodie and you know, I just thought,

753
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 3: and a strong writer, I thought, this will be entertaining

754
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: to just start to review my prison food for my

755
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: lunches and dinners, like review as if.

756
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: I'm going to a restaurant or something.

757
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 3: So I just started scoring about of ten and like

758
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: an adjusted prison scale, because I was like, this is

759
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: you know, prison food.

760
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: It's not the real world.

761
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: I need to be a bit more generous with the scale.

762
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 3: And so I just started doing that every day, and

763
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: I did it for the whole one hundred and twenty

764
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 3: five days that I was locked up, And it was

765
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: just a kind of a fun distress action and I

766
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: use it kind of also as a bit of a journal,

767
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 3: and so then it would be fun to just argue

768
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 3: with my cell mates about like that.

769
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh, I'm giving that a six point two.

770
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: They'd be like, oh man, that's a four. So yeah,

771
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 3: it was just it was just a fun creating distractions.

772
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 3: I think, I think, so yeah, I think I am,

773
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 3: and then you make it funny. Yeah. So I started

774
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 3: writing the food reviews, and then I started writing jokes

775
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: a little while later, once I had it sobered up

776
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 3: and got off drugs and had a chance to just

777
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 3: ask myself a lot of questions, like, you know, if

778
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: you could just start your life over from scratch, what

779
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 3: would you do? And the only answer in my head

780
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 3: would stand up comedy. Really, Yeah, it was the only one.

781
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: It was just so loud in my head.

782
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: But you've never done stand I've gone, but I used.

783
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: To go to it a lot, and sometimes I would

784
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 3: sit there and write jokes on my phone. But I

785
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: never looked into like where there was an open mic

786
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 3: or how you'd even go about it. But I think,

787
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 3: deep down somewhere in me, you just always knew that answer,

788
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 3: but I just hadn't.

789
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: It was scary doing stand up comedy.

790
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 3: I yeah, it was terrifying the first the first few times.

791
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 3: I mean it still is terrifying now, but now I

792
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 3: know that it's the thing I have to do. But

793
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: when you first get up there and you start talking

794
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 3: and everyone's quiet because they're listening to you, and you

795
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 3: haven't a set a punchline yet, I'm like, fuck this

796
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 3: is And then you say and then you suddenly get

797
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 3: to a postline, people laugh and suddenly relief washes over you.

798
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: But because that's your reward, that's your drug.

799
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, yea drug now, yes.

800
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: So you know your brain gets a response in a

801
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: sort of Flooge's system with the serotonin instead of cocaine, doing.

802
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: It exactly you're doing. I think that people that are

803
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: that have have very addictive personalities. They often focus on

804
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 3: the negative side, but if you can find positive outlets

805
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: for it, an addictive and addictive personality can be a superpowerful.

806
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: Totally powerful. Ye, completely powerful. I'm noticing that you move around.

807
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: Do you have ADHD?

808
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: Yes?

809
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, so yeah, but did you know you had

810
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: that before I did.

811
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 3: I got diagnosed when I was about eight years old,

812
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 3: but I didn't really start to become a problem with

813
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 3: me until I was about sixteen.

814
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: Do they jammy ridden.

815
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: Dex mphetamine to have like okay, so okay, you're on

816
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 3: dexies so not anymore.

817
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: I haven't a word, but you were. Yeah, But because

818
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: sometimes that's the start of the addiction, Like for me,

819
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: I've seen happy for and you know, he stopped taking

820
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: DEXs because someone says you shouldn't be taking this basically

821
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: is emphetamines speed. You shouldn't be taking so many because

822
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: you shouldn't take that many in the first first place.

823
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: But that you start self medicating take eight and then

824
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: you then you stop one day and if someone says

825
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: that we stop, Okay, now what I'm going to do?

826
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: So you pick some other drug? Yeah, And it just

827
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: cycles and cycles and cycles and it becomes I.

828
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 3: Was grinding my teeth and having trouble going to bed

829
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 3: when I was sixteen seventeen because I was on so

830
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 3: much dex amfetter.

831
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: Me if do you hold your hand like that on purpose? No,

832
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: because the move a hand moves around. Are you What

833
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm trying to work out is are you conscious of it?

834
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 4: No?

835
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: I'm not.

836
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: No, I'm self conscious of Its probably another thing.

837
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 3: Not really, No, Sometimes I'm just my legs are just

838
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 3: going crazy.

839
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: It's natural. Yeah, yeah, that doesn't bother me because I

840
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: have family members who do this sort of stuff. I

841
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: get it. I understand it. It's a good way to

842
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: lose weight too, by the way, But now because you're

843
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: moving also moving Yeah, no, no, totally your your I mean,

844
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: if you, if you, I don't know if you've ever

845
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: done one of these, but if you ever sat down

846
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: down a metabolic rate test, So it's a test, they

847
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: sit you down. You've got to be relaxed. You've got

848
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: to sit down and relaxed or in your in your

849
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: normal relax dates. So in your case, you'd be moving.

850
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: You can move around like that, but they put a

851
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: mask on you and they measure the amount of oxygen.

852
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: You take it into the amount a couple of ox

853
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: that you push out, and they can actually work out

854
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: how many calories that you consume at rest. At your

855
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: rest yours would be different my risk because you've got ADHD.

856
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: So and they can. They can. They'll come up and

857
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: say something to you, like, you know, you consume two

858
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: and a half thousand calories just breathing, sitting, thinking, and

859
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: your brain consumes most of the calories that are that

860
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: you can consume out of every part of your whole body.

861
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: And someone who with ADHD would consume far greater amount

862
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: of calories and say something like me. Therefore, if you

863
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: balance your diet out, you can lose weight quickly. Yeah,

864
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: they're doing very fucking much at all.

865
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 3: But it's even more impressive when I get fat, because

866
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: that means I'm really sick of the beers.

867
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: That you must be consuming a hell of a lot

868
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: of calories relative to your burn. That's quite interesting. And

869
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: and and ADHD people actually have a have a superpower

870
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: when it comes to not putting weight on if they

871
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: watch what they eat. It actually is super power.

872
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, when I when I focus on my training and

873
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: I'm actually like counting my calories like I just smash

874
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 3: it very quickly.

875
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: Very very quickly. So go to jail, get let out.

876
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: You're cognizance of family cognisance. In other words, you're sort

877
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: of under house arrest sort of thing. You're on bio

878
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: to go through a period. Then you get sentenced. Sorry,

879
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: you got sentence, and you've got your own parole. Effectively,

880
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: you've got built yourself a new business that being well,

881
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: there's a few pass your businesses to tell me it's

882
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: just not just so down up comedy to the podcast.

883
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, I got out of jail.

884
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 3: I mean. One of the things that was crazy about

885
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 3: the prison thing was when I first started thinking about

886
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 3: doing stand up was I was was because I saw

887
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 3: so many funny things happen in jail. Like there was

888
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 3: a time where I saw the guards talking. They were

889
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: calling out for a David Wilson, or like David Wilson

890
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 3: to the others, David Wilson, and then a whole yard

891
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 3: of krim started going Wilson Welson like I'm doing there,

892
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: like Tom Hanks castaway impression, going like Welson, I'm sorry.

893
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: And I remember laughing so much that I forgot about

894
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 3: the where I was like I forgot about the fact

895
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 3: that I was in prison. I forgot about the guards

896
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 3: and the fences and the cameras, and I was free

897
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 3: just for a few seconds. And I was like, well,

898
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 3: that's pretty powerful stuff if laughter can make me forget

899
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 3: I'm in prison. So that's when I was like, I needed,

900
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 3: I need to do something with this.

901
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: Were you doing any stand up in prison?

902
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 3: No, I mean in my cell to my sellies. Yeah,

903
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 3: not really in the yard because you know, if you

904
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 3: say a joke that goes the wrong way to a

905
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 3: guy in the yard, because I had some pretty serious consequences.

906
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, it completely changed my way.

907
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: I don't have nights and stuff like that, like entertainment nights, like.

908
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 3: Maybe in like sentence prison and maybe like And it

909
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 3: wasn't COVID nothing. There was nothing going on during COVID,

910
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: Like they had no classes, they had nothing. It was

911
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: a pretty grim situation. And that's why I think that

912
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 3: they had They had the Parclay prison right when I

913
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 3: was there, because the guys were just exploding because they

914
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 3: had nothing to do and family visits were canceled.

915
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: It was just powder that.

916
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

917
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, so I got out and started doing

918
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 3: stand up and then that started going pretty.

919
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: So how do you do stand? Like, I mean, you

920
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: said you started doing some but just someone invite you do?

921
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: You have to put an application? And how's it work?

922
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 3: You just look up there's a I mean, I'm sure

923
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 3: in many major cities as a Facebook group about their

924
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 3: open mic nights, and so I just looked up where

925
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: an open mic night was, and you just put your

926
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: name in a bucket and with like twenty thirty other guys,

927
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 3: mostly dudes, and you just get your name randomly drawn

928
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 3: out and that's when it's your turns to do five

929
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 3: minutes on the mic, and just.

930
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: At a club or something.

931
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 3: It's usually at a bar, at a bar in a

932
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 3: small room where it's basically no one else there other

933
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 3: than other comedians that are trying to make it.

934
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: So how do you get you for back?

935
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 3: Well, that's the problem, right is because you've either got

936
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,479
Speaker 3: a bunch of guys that are studying on their phone

937
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: what they're going to say, or they're jaded because they've

938
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 3: been doing open mic comedy nights for six years and

939
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 3: haven't gotten in anywhere, so they don't really want to laugh.

940
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 3: So you've got to really be funny before. Yeah, exactly.

941
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of guys talking about wanking

942
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 3: for five minutes and they're like, oh yeah, just another

943
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 3: you go, another cum joke, So you know, you start there.

944
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 3: That's where even if no one's laughing that much, you still.

945
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 1: Get the practice of saying the words in front of people.

946
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so that's that's important, but.

947
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: You're not getting the vibe there sometimes sometimes.

948
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 3: Look, I found if you're going to an open mic

949
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 3: for the first time and you're doing jokes they haven't

950
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 3: heard you say before, then you'll get a Usually you'll

951
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: get an honest reaction, particularly if you start to get

952
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 3: laughs early, then guys will stop what they're doing and

953
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: pay attention. But I found soon what I realized was

954
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: that in open mic, the open like world, you go

955
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 3: to four gigs or five gigs a week, it's all

956
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 3: the same guys at every gig, So you're if you're

957
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 3: telling the same jokes four nights a week, then they're

958
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 3: not going to be laughing as much by the fourth

959
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 3: fifth time.

960
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: So it sounds like a startup world, but they're always

961
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: meeting up the startup world, you know, like all the startups,

962
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: like business startups, they're all going oh shit, there's a

963
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: Google conference on the will turn up, or there's some

964
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: other thing on World turn Up. And there's the same

965
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: dudes all the time. You know the girls, guys, it's

966
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: the same game.

967
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 3: Must be so many of these subcultures where it's just

968
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: the same people going to everything right, and so what

969
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 3: I'm the best. What I found was the only way

970
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 3: I could get a reaction out of these guys is

971
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 3: if I wrote a new five minutes of jokes every

972
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: couple of nights. So I was just like writing, writing, performing,

973
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 3: like trying new stuff all the time. And I think

974
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 3: that made me a better comedian very quickly, because I

975
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 3: was just constantly writing new stuff. And so I went

976
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 3: and did an open my comedy competition which is Australia's

977
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 3: biggest one.

978
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: Called Raw, and I got through to.

979
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 3: The state final of that, and then I got.

980
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: How much time it's on stage that you get five

981
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: minutes and so you.

982
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: Perform at the Comedy Store and I got through to

983
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 3: the state final, which was pretty crazy because I'd only

984
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 3: been doing comedy for about maybe four weeks at that stage,

985
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 3: and so yeah, so it was awesome, and so I

986
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 3: got to perform at the Comedy store in the state

987
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: final and I didn't get through, but that was enough

988
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: for me to open the door for me to get

989
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 3: an opportunity at better gigs in Sydney, which was rooms

990
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: where it wasn't just you performing in front of other

991
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 3: open my comedians with proper audiences, which is what you

992
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 3: want to do, right, Yeah, And then suddenly I had

993
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 3: all this stuff that I was able to test in

994
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 3: front of a proper audience, and then you're getting Then

995
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 3: you're getting genuine laughs.

996
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: And do you get gigs as a result of that,

997
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: to paid gigs you do?

998
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: That's still quite slow.

999
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 3: You know, most of the time in Sydney, in a lot

1000
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: of towns, you're doing ten minute spots for no money,

1001
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 3: just because you have the privilege of being able to

1002
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 3: test out your material.

1003
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: Say you're doing that for audio right, to build audiences

1004
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: and to test audiences.

1005
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 3: Exactly like practice exactly. So now I get both unpaid

1006
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 3: and paid gigs. Paid gigs, I'm doing my best stuff

1007
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: because I'm getting paid to do that. But at unpaid gigs,

1008
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 3: I'm just running a whole bunch of new stuff. I'm

1009
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 3: doing whatever I want to do just so that I

1010
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 3: can make it a learning I'm getting something out of

1011
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 3: it myself about the podcast. So I have a podcast

1012
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 3: that I do with three comedians, two other comedians, Dan

1013
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: Muggleton and Tom Wickham, and I think we just saw

1014
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 3: that there was just not that many podcasts by comedians

1015
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: in Australia.

1016
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: Is that right?

1017
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, there aren't that many, particularly not ones that have

1018
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 3: a group of guys together who are actual comedians as

1019
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 3: opposed to a lifelin cut girls that they're funny exactly,

1020
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 3: they're not actual comedians.

1021
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: Exactly, right.

1022
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So I'm talking about like stand up comics

1023
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 3: stealing a show together.

1024
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: But what are you doing? Like, it's what's the sort

1025
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: of general content where we're talking about it, like you're

1026
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: taking the.

1027
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 3: Piss out of each other or Yeah, it's a combination

1028
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: between just anything what's happened to us that week or

1029
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 3: things in the news, or just taking the piss out

1030
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 3: of each other. But we just talked shit for an

1031
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 3: hour a week and it's slowly growing. But it's awesome

1032
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: because then those people that love the show will come

1033
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: to our live shows, which is awesome. There's quite a

1034
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 3: few people that we listened to the podcast that went

1035
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 3: and saw all three of us at our live shows

1036
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 3: this year. So that's that's the dream is to have

1037
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 3: people that It's to build an ongoing comedy relationship between

1038
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 3: people that only get to see you live once a

1039
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 3: year and people that want to hear about what your

1040
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 3: funny take is on various things throughout the week.

1041
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: Politics. Are you playing into that or not?

1042
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 3: Really?

1043
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: I mean you've taken a piss out of trumple Biden.

1044
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: Or sometimes, but it's not really what do you really?

1045
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: Were you going with it? What do you normally do?

1046
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: Is is a situational What are we talking about?

1047
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 3: I mean I was talking about I went and saw

1048
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 3: two live Terminator events last week, so I I talked

1049
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 3: about that. I saw they had Terminator one at the

1050
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: Opera House with like a live orchestra, and then they

1051
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: had I saw Terminated at the Hayden Orpheum and they

1052
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: had the bad guy Robert Patrick from that movie like

1053
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 3: there in the audience doing a Q and A. So

1054
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 3: I just talked about the funny the funny stuff from that.

1055
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: So you do you did?

1056
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: You do?

1057
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: You sit there in for example of those two examples,

1058
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: in an audience and you look for what are you

1059
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: looking for? What you think is you can make humorous

1060
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: or you can are you taking something out of it

1061
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: that actually is humorous?

1062
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 2: You just see the natural humor in it. Yeah.

1063
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 3: So there was a guy that was so excited to

1064
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 3: ask Robert Patrick a question about when he watched the

1065
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 3: premiere of Terminator two, whether he knew like that he

1066
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: was part of something that was going to be so

1067
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 3: historic and special. And so then Robert Patrick said, oh,

1068
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 3: not really. I was just there stoned with my friends

1069
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 3: and was just.

1070
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: Like, oh cool.

1071
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 3: The humor was in seeing this guy and obviously spent

1072
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 3: so much time and he's so excited to ask this

1073
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 3: question that it was such an underwhelming answer.

1074
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: That's amazing.

1075
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: But see that that's an interesting skill that you have,

1076
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: that you can see that humor. Yeah, whereas the poor

1077
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: guy answered the question, he's going to feel fucking like

1078
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: let down, like a heap because it was expecting something overwhelming.

1079
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, this is my life, lifetime dream or something.

1080
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't know it was going to be such

1081
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 3: a huge cultural moment.

1082
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, changed the course of history.

1083
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: Right, that was the answer he wanted. It's just like

1084
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: I don't really did I was started.

1085
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: But do you think that the guy answered the question,

1086
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: do you think he was taking the piss or.

1087
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: I think he would have had a real answer in

1088
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: his head.

1089
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: But I think but I think that was also true

1090
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 3: that he was stoned at the time, but I think

1091
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 3: that they would have been part of his head. It

1092
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 3: was like, holy shit, this movie is amazing, right, But

1093
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: it was just such a funny answer.

1094
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: That that is pretty hilarious because I can imagine the

1095
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: guy sitting there very nervous about asking the question for

1096
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: a start, like getting really nervous, picked.

1097
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 3: Out for days, pick me, pick me.

1098
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: You're like fu, I got picked his my chance and

1099
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: he probably would be a little bit shaky on your voice,

1100
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: and then you just go. Shoulders had drop forward so

1101
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: that you're you're doing a tour. There's a tour coming out?

1102
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: What's that?

1103
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 1: What's that all about?

1104
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: So this this too is I'm doing my debut show,

1105
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 3: which is the show I did last year at the

1106
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 3: Melbourne Comedy Festival. So I at the time I signed

1107
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 3: up to do Melbourne Comedy Festival, I had maybe twenty

1108
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 3: minutes of jokes that I thought worked. And when you

1109
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 3: do a comedy festival, when you're doing a solo show,

1110
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 3: you've got to do They say an hour, but it's

1111
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: usually about fifty minutes of material, and so I am

1112
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 3: such a good person with a deadline. I was like,

1113
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 3: I'm just going to put my hand up to say

1114
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 3: I want to do this, and then I'll hopefully figure

1115
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 3: out another thirty minutes of material. And so you apply

1116
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 3: to the festival to try and get a fest a

1117
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: room run by the Melbourne Comedy Festival. I got rejected

1118
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 3: for one of those, which is quite common when you're

1119
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 3: a nobody, and so they have a bunch of other

1120
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 3: rooms that are just run through the festival, run kind

1121
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 3: of not by the festival, but are available, and so

1122
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 3: for those you've got to pitch yourself, right. So I

1123
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 3: tried everyone.

1124
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: Pitching the room, or you pitch to get into it.

1125
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 3: You're asking someone who's booking that room whether you can

1126
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: be part of their lineup for the festival, right, And

1127
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 3: so I got rejected by put much everyone. The only

1128
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 3: one that said yes to me was a small cocktail

1129
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: bar and I offered me a time of ten forty

1130
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 3: at night, right, ten forty to do sixteen shows.

1131
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: Fuck that, I'll take that.

1132
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 3: I was like, I'll do it.

1133
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: I just want to be there secon shows for ten

1134
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: forty sixteen days.

1135
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 3: So I'm doing over the course of three weeks. I'm

1136
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 3: he's doing sixteen one hour shows at ten forty at

1137
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: ten forty at night, so I'm doing on a Monday

1138
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 3: Tuesday Wednesday night, I'm ten forty night, and so I thought, fuck,

1139
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 3: this is going to be hard. But it turned out

1140
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 3: to be a blessing in disguise because I was the

1141
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 3: only show I think on a Monday, Tuesday Wednesday that

1142
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 3: on past nine thirty at night. So for anyone looking

1143
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 3: for late night comedy, I was the only option. And

1144
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 3: so the show was called Jokes about the time I

1145
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 3: went to prison. I thought, because I'm a nobody and

1146
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 3: I guess my pr background, I was like, I've got

1147
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 3: to just put it on the label, put it right

1148
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 3: on the can.

1149
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: What is it?

1150
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 3: And so I think people are drinking, they're out night,

1151
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 3: They're like, or do you want to go see some

1152
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 3: idiot took about prison for an hour in terms of

1153
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 3: people do so people turned up and I started doing

1154
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 3: the show. So the first night I had like five

1155
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 3: tickets sold, and then seventeen people showed up on the door,

1156
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 3: and so I ended up doing the show in a

1157
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 3: room that could only fit about forty to twenty two people,

1158
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 3: and I was like, and it was amazing. The show

1159
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 3: went so well, and I was like, I am going

1160
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 3: to kill it here. It's going to be so good.

1161
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 3: And then the next night I had four tickets sold

1162
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 3: and I'm like, okay, that's fine, people buying the door.

1163
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 3: No one else turned up, So I did the show

1164
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 3: to four people and I was like, wow, okay, this

1165
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 3: is quite a comedy. It's going to be a roller coaster.

1166
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: But over the next few weeks words started to spread.

1167
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 3: I got some reviewers in that gave me some really

1168
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 3: good reviews, and I ended up getting nominated for Best

1169
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 3: Newcomer at the festival and off that That's completely changed

1170
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 3: my life really because now I get to tour around

1171
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 3: the country as a professional comedian and like, now I'm

1172
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: doing I've just finished doing the festivals this year with

1173
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 3: my second show, and I had fantastic numbers.

1174
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: We were sold out most nights, and it's like, it's.

1175
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 3: Crazy, So the two are you're going to do now?

1176
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 3: The tour I'm going to do in August is your

1177
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: tour those it's just me, Yeah, it's just me touring

1178
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 3: around to about something crazy like twenty four towns around Australia.

1179
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: I me some examples. We're going like Tamworth or the Top.

1180
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 3: Regionally, we're going to Newcastle, Aubrey, Bunbury, Western Australia, Perth, Brisbane,

1181
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 3: Gold Coast, Sunny Coast to Woomba, Darwin, Lawn, Cesstin Hobart.

1182
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm going say to people find out about like where

1183
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: do they go to book it?

1184
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 3: So a list dot com, dot you is the website

1185
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 3: or my I've got it all listed on my socials.

1186
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 3: I'm very fortunate that my socials have like blown up crazy.

1187
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: I've got like I'm going to talk about your instagraments socialistic.

1188
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. But so so the show.

1189
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 3: I'm doing my debut show around the country because a

1190
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 3: lot of people haven't most people haven't seen it. And

1191
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 3: I have the i have a book coming out at

1192
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 3: the same time, so I'm going to be taking the

1193
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 3: book on the road to sell at the shows as well.

1194
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: And what's the book about.

1195
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: The book's about my crazy life.

1196
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 3: It's about me being kind of an aimless person that

1197
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 3: fell into drug dealing and how that escalated and my

1198
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 3: time in prison and how that became such a life

1199
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: changing experience for me. And turn me towards comedy. So

1200
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 3: it's called The Profound Benefits of a Stint in.

1201
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: Prison, So it's sort of like an autobiography.

1202
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: It is, Yeah, exactly.

1203
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: How much of that is therapeutic for you? Like how

1204
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: much of that is like selfishly done? And I don't

1205
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: mean in a bad sense, but like therapeutic for you

1206
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: to actually write about what you haven't haven't done.

1207
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 3: The book and comedy have been hugely therapeutic. When I

1208
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 3: first started doing stand up, it was because I was

1209
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 3: pretty angry. I wrote from rage, right. I was just

1210
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 3: I was so lost and confused and angry, and the

1211
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: only constructive outlet I could think of was to take

1212
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 3: the piss out of myself and my dumb mistakes, and

1213
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 3: so to weaponize that and kind of own it. I

1214
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 3: own my dumb life and mistakes and just get up

1215
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 3: on stage and be like, hey, this is I'm an idiot,

1216
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 3: this is this is my dumb life. Found I found

1217
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 3: so cathartic and empowering. So the book was similar. It

1218
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 3: was just it started, just as I guess, a glorified diary,

1219
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 3: just me just trying to put on a page all

1220
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 3: the steps that had led me here, and So when

1221
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 3: I started going well at comedy, I had a few

1222
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,959
Speaker 3: publishers reach out to me to say, hey, you should

1223
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 3: consider writing a book. And I was like, well, you're

1224
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 3: funny you say that. I've written most of one and

1225
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 3: so that made that whole process a lot faster.

1226
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: But do you ever worry? Does it ever get because

1227
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people would feel this way, You're I

1228
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: hate the fucking word, but your vulnerability, like you're out

1229
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 1: there putting it all on the line. You're just telling

1230
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: everyone about everything and to somebody sent you don't give

1231
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: a shit. Yep, maybe you don't give a shit. I'm

1232
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: assessing that does it ever bother you that everybody knows

1233
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: everything about you? Like and maybe do you everything yourself?

1234
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 3: All?

1235
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: Wow? They know about my mum and dad's kid and

1236
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: my brother's brother. And one day you might be a

1237
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,439
Speaker 1: father yourself. You married to good kids, But like I said,

1238
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: one day you know one of your own kids. You

1239
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: ever worry about that?

1240
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 3: I don't think so, because when.

1241
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced me.

1242
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 3: When I was sat in prison and I started thinking

1243
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 3: about my two options. I could either get out and

1244
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 3: go back to like a white collar job and hopefully

1245
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 3: pretend like it never happened, or because at that point

1246
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 3: there was only one article about my arrest and me

1247
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 3: being locked up that was in the Daily Mail, and

1248
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 3: I thought, well, who the fuck reads that anyway? So

1249
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 3: I had that Sorry. Now I'm good friends with them.

1250
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, they like covering me because I'm such a weird,

1251
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 4: weird fish, but they they I was like, well, I

1252
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 4: can either go back to my normal life and pretend

1253
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 4: it's never happened, or I can do the complete opposite

1254
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,959
Speaker 4: and just own the fuck out of it publicly. And

1255
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 4: some reason in my head I was like, that sounds

1256
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 4: so crazy. I better the work, and it has, and.

1257
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 3: So I've I I thought there was part of me

1258
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 3: which was like, surely I'm going to get booed off

1259
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 3: stage and have people hate me for this. But I've

1260
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 3: had so many people, particularly all the people that I

1261
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 3: thought would be shocked by what I'm talking about, come

1262
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 3: to me afterwards and be like, great stuff and amazing

1263
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 3: that you've turned your life around, and so.

1264
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: It's a good redemnstance story.

1265
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 3: I get so many messages from people who have found

1266
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 3: something in me talking about my life that's resonated with them.

1267
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 3: I had one guy message me to say that he

1268
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 3: got out of prison and just went on with his

1269
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 3: life and never talked about it. Nobody knows about it,

1270
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 3: and seeing me own it has inspired him to go

1271
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 3: and do public speaking courses so that he can start

1272
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 3: to talk about the most acts he made that has

1273
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 3: led him here.

1274
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 2: And I thought that was really cool.

1275
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. I was just seeing about something he

1276
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: said that Dali Malesmas. There's not that much of a

1277
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: gap between finding being angry about a situation or seeing

1278
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: a situation being funny. I mean you seem to be

1279
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: able to actually lean into not being angry and being

1280
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 1: and seeing it as a funny outcome.

1281
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 3: Well, I think you know, if you break down the

1282
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 3: things that make you angry and also like how people

1283
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 3: act when they're angry, a lot of it, if you

1284
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 3: just stood back from it can be funny. Right. It's

1285
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 3: like Bill Burr is one of the best comedians world

1286
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 3: and he's like, just got this hilarious rage, right. So

1287
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 3: I was like, I can either use this anger in

1288
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 3: a really unconstructive way and probably get myself into more trouble,

1289
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 3: or I can use it in the best way I

1290
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 3: know how, and quite an Australian way and just use

1291
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 3: it like to take the piss out of myself, right,

1292
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 3: and so talking about the raptors cord raiting my house

1293
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 3: and being on the prison transport truck and just like

1294
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 3: me trying to figure out my prison and going on

1295
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 3: dates when.

1296
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 2: I was on bail.

1297
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 3: Like this, all this stuff from my dumb life was

1298
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 3: funny and people are.

1299
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: Now you chose to see the funny side.

1300
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 2: I chose to see the funny side.

1301
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: Also signed fuck this, I'm angry.

1302
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I've gone down that road before and I

1303
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 3: just and it doesn't lead you anywhere positive. And so

1304
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 3: I was just like I tried to weaponize it in

1305
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 3: a positive way, and it's completely changed my life. Ever

1306
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 3: since I've been on this path with comedy, opportunity after

1307
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 3: opportunity has kept coming to me and doors keep opening,

1308
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 3: and it just makes me know that I made the

1309
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 3: right decision.

1310
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: You're getting the and you're also getting the sort of

1311
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: the chemical rewards in your brain too.

1312
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 2: Totally.

1313
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: It's give me the right rewards.

1314
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 3: I mean, you do find there is a law of

1315
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 3: diminishing returns when you're doing the same joke the two

1316
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 3: hundredth time.

1317
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 2: That's why I.

1318
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 3: Fired, You've got to constantly be coming up with new stuff,

1319
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 3: because when you have a new joke that you've just

1320
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 3: written and you test it out and it kills straight away,

1321
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 3: it's such a rush.

1322
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's funny you're talking about daily mail, and

1323
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: that's the difference between rage or anger and comedy. Many

1324
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: years ago, I've been in a gym dan already, and

1325
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: I was walking. There's a market up here King's Cross

1326
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: that does not I walk up there and I'm going

1327
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: to get a juice and shit like that. Anyway, so

1328
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: I've got change prepared short the summer, two shirt on

1329
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: pair of cents. Walked up fucking and all across the road,

1330
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: and I thought, I saw this dude taking in front

1331
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 1: of me, and so I walked down a bit further

1332
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: down across and I confronted him. I said, mate, what

1333
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: the fuck are you doing? He said, I know, I'm

1334
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: just a photographer, just taking photographs of the architectu around here.

1335
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, but mate, like you sure he

1336
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: didn't take phtograph of me across the road like that. Anyway,

1337
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: I didn't think much about it, and the next day

1338
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: when my kids fucking started texting me, they've been reading

1339
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: the Daily mar and there's a photograph of me walking

1340
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: across the road with angry fucking look face and work

1341
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: looking at it, looking at his dude, right, a real

1342
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: cranky look on my face. But the funny thing more,

1343
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: fly was undone completely agape, was completely agape, and that's

1344
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: that was what the photograph he was taking, and taking

1345
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: the photograph as my boys walk with if he's flying

1346
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: done and uh and I was angry with that, but

1347
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: my kids, so it was fucking hilarious and there's not

1348
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: much difference. Like my response is fuck him. I want

1349
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: to punch him in the head. Came back at it, now,

1350
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: do you it's funny? It's hilarious, And he's right, it was.

1351
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: It was a funny outcome, you.

1352
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 3: Know, I mean exactly the say bark like me when

1353
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 3: I got raided and this guy told me out a

1354
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 3: tiny cock. It wasn't funny at the time. Now it

1355
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 3: was what I was locked up. Well, actually that's hilarious.

1356
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but do you think to be hilarious do you

1357
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: think he was having a bit half funny?

1358
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 3: I think these guys that raid, how like the raptors

1359
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 3: score when they're raiding, they're so pumped up on red

1360
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 3: bulls or whatever the fuck they take, and they're so

1361
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 3: used to going into places with guys. They've got weapons

1362
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 3: and stuff like that they just got, so they're so

1363
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 3: pumped when they find the bad guy, right, they just

1364
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 3: they want to mouth off. You think that that's it.

1365
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 3: They're like, fucking stay down, your motherfucker.

1366
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: So they just sayn and they probably go back later

1367
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: on talk I told you how that's moall cock and

1368
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: they'll have a good laugh.

1369
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 3: They probably how many times has that guy been set

1370
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 3: my clip of stand up exactly?

1371
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 2: This is his best joke now, So so.

1372
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: Where do you see yourself going? Like, I mean, you

1373
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: make money out of this is giving you a living?

1374
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: I mean you're not making the same money making when

1375
00:58:58,480 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: you were stilling drugs.

1376
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 3: But yes, I'm not making drug buddy anymore. But I'm

1377
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 3: making a basic living out of stand up now, which

1378
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 3: is fucking hard to do. Yeah yeah, yeah, And I've

1379
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 3: only been doing it for two and a half years,

1380
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 3: so you know there are guys who are ten years

1381
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 3: in that are barely making a good living out of

1382
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 3: stand up.

1383
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:16,919
Speaker 2: It's hard.

1384
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, because I want to ask you about that,

1385
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: because like you was before you were drug dealer and

1386
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,919
Speaker 1: you're making shitload me you piles of cash and shit

1387
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: like that. How do you reconcile those two? Like you

1388
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: work so hard, I mean sure there's a lot of

1389
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: enjoyment out of what you do, you don't make much

1390
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: money out of it, yep, how do you reconcole the

1391
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: difference between the two? And do you?

1392
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 3: I think that you money money earned from hard work

1393
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 3: always feels a lot better for starters. But also like

1394
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 3: I I'm cool that because last year I did stand

1395
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 3: up and I made fuck all. This year I've made

1396
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 3: a bit more, and next year I'll make it more

1397
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 3: than that, And so I can see that there's a

1398
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 3: clear trajectory here. And I I love what I do.

1399
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 3: It's my favorite thing in the world to do. So

1400
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 3: I'm not too worried about the money because it fills

1401
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 3: me right. It's the most fun job I've ever had

1402
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 3: in my life, and so to make any money out

1403
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 3: of it is crazy. But to make a living out

1404
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 3: of it, even a basically living. Right now, I feel

1405
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 3: like I'm living the dream and so everything anything else.

1406
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: Is extras and just one on your socials, what are

1407
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: you doing TikTok? As well as the scramble just Instagram.

1408
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 3: TikTok and Instagram. Yeah, I've got no idea what I'm

1409
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 3: doing on either.

1410
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: I just post stuff and that's your authentic's And how's

1411
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: it nums going? Like you're getting good engagement?

1412
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 3: I mean last year, I think in April I had

1413
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 3: like six ersand followers on Instagram. Now I've got two

1414
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 3: hundred and twelve or something.

1415
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: Like that, so it's grown a lot. And do you

1416
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: know your audience I mean on Instagram for example, on

1417
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: your socials, do you know your audience is at like

1418
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: young guys, young girls who are looking.

1419
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 3: At It's like ninety three percent dudes, right. But the

1420
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 3: thing the interesting is the social numbers aren't the same

1421
01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 3: as my show numbers because women buy tickets comedy shows

1422
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 3: much more than guys.

1423
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: But any comedy, yeah, any comedy generally.

1424
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 3: But particularly you know, I'm seeing groups of girls well

1425
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 3: or just take their boyfriend or partner or husband whatever,

1426
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 3: that they'll be the one who's the instigator of buying tickets.

1427
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 3: There are groups of like usually like four or five

1428
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 3: dudes being like boys comedy night Tonight.

1429
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 2: Fellers get the lads we're doing stand up, They go

1430
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 2: to the park. I think the arts is gay, so.

1431
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 3: That that's fine, but it's just I mean, it's interesting

1432
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 3: that there's that skw on social but then that's not

1433
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 3: the certainly not the skew at a live show.

1434
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: Right, So your social is your your social giving that

1435
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,439
Speaker 1: you've got a couple hundred thousand, is that about sort

1436
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: of trying to sell something through that? Like, I mean,

1437
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: how do you how do you use weaponize comedy, but

1438
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: how do you commercialize something like that?

1439
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think it is. Even if people don't necessarily

1440
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 3: follow me, me putting stuff out on social media that's

1441
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 3: gone viral has certainly helped with recognition of my face.

1442
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 3: So that when there's ads out, either posters or digital

1443
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 3: ads who're like, oh, that guy's made me laugh before,

1444
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 3: and he's coming, he's doing exactly, so then they're sharing.

1445
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 3: People take a punt far more if they've if they

1446
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 3: know your face and you've made them laugh before, then

1447
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 3: if you're just putting a poster and they've never heard

1448
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 3: or seen you before. So I think I believe that

1449
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 3: all these things I have to be connected, and then

1450
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 3: you build.

1451
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: Up over time exactly, and they'll at some stage that

1452
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: they'll interconnect, yes, or they'll overlap each other and you'll

1453
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: get some benefits from both to the other.

1454
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 3: I definitely know that there are people that So I

1455
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 3: used to be part of this comedy channel called yeah Ad,

1456
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 3: which was the fastest growing comedy channel in the country,

1457
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 3: and that brought a lot of people either to my

1458
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 3: social pages or to live shows. So that's been a

1459
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 3: huge driver of it. And so we're about to start

1460
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 3: a new comedy channel, me and a bunch of the

1461
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 3: guys that were on that previous channel. We're going to

1462
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 3: start that again in the next month or so, and

1463
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 3: so I imagine that that'll grow very quickly, and that'll

1464
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 3: be a driver of people coming to live shows as well.

1465
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: That's a collective of other comedians, though, So I mean,

1466
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: how important is it four comedians to hang out the other,

1467
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: the lean on each other.

1468
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 3: I mean, there's plenty of amazing comedians that are very

1469
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 3: anti social, you know. So I don't know. I am

1470
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 3: such a social person and I try to introduce myself

1471
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 3: to everyone that I meet in stand up and to

1472
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 3: help them in any way I can. And I think

1473
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 3: that I think that sometimes you don't really know the

1474
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 3: value straight away of these friends until later. If they're

1475
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,959
Speaker 3: just vouching for you for an opportunity or a gig

1476
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 3: or whatever. It just makes sense to me.

1477
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: How important is gratefulness to you? I mean, like as

1478
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: a I don't know, I don't know if it's an

1479
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: emotional whatever, it's a virtue being grateful, grateful for what

1480
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: you're doing, because that's one of the things I just

1481
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: get out of this conversation. I mean, it's not a

1482
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: big money spent as a comedian, not yet, but.

1483
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 2: I mean that being said, Mark, I think that.

1484
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 3: I mean, my management say to me that, I'm like,

1485
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 3: they've never seen anyone selling as many tickets to shows

1486
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 3: after two and a half years in comedy as me.

1487
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 2: So the trajectory great science is very very promising.

1488
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: I would about gratefulness, I mean, is that just grateful

1489
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: that you can get them to do this shit?

1490
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 4: Oh?

1491
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 2: Every time?

1492
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 3: Man, it is so surreal to me every time I

1493
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 3: get up, particularly when I'm doing my live show, when

1494
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 3: I'm doing solo shows and people have bought a ticket

1495
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 3: to come see me and spend an hour with me,

1496
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 3: that seems still very surreal. And so I'm so grateful

1497
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 3: that they're there. And then because of my socials and

1498
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 3: who I am. At first it was people just going

1499
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 3: to see a comedy show or support the arts. But

1500
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 3: now people that are coming specifically to see me, and

1501
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 3: so I'm attracting my own audience, which makes which then

1502
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 3: means that the shows go even better because they know

1503
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 3: they've got a sense of what the content is going

1504
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 3: to be like, which makes the much more enjoyable comedy show, right,

1505
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 3: And so I I love it.

1506
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 2: It's my favorite thing to do.

1507
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 3: People ask me like, how can you go a whole

1508
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 3: month touring around and doing an hour show every night?

1509
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 3: Isn't that going to be draining? And I'm like, no,

1510
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 3: I get energy from it, Like I get my cup

1511
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 3: gets filled from performing and being around people. So that's

1512
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 3: the easy part. You know.

1513
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 1: It's interesting as you're talking then, I was just thinking

1514
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: about your dad's studies in theology as a Jesuit scholar,

1515
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: and the sort of things that they sort of study

1516
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: are concept concepts around virtues, you know what like, but

1517
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: there's not just a Google top study. It's a proper

1518
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: study as to you know, the concepts would sit behind

1519
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: things like gratefulness and you know sort of like tass

1520
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: you back, you're taking a back, maybe unknowingly, right back

1521
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: to the sort of things you're old men studied as

1522
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: a potential Jesuit deacon to become a Jesuit priest, which

1523
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: did fortunately for you. But it's funny, it's just as

1524
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: like a full circle. Nearly you're nearly going back to

1525
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: the sort of stuff that Jesuits would have taught you

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Speaker 1: at review. I'm not getting a weird about it, but

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like it's a full circle for you.

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Speaker 3: I think I needed to have the fall to really

1529
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 3: appreciate everything though I think I needed that setback. I

1530
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 3: hope that people can find a way to be on

1531
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 3: the most positive path without having that fuck up. We're

1532
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 3: all fulls of shit. But from my experience, for a

1533
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 3: lot of people, it isn't until that happens that they

1534
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 3: really figure out what their priorities are in life and

1535
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 3: start to live their best life and appreciate things the most.

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01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 3: Whether that's a marriage breakdown or a job loss, or

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01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 3: a health concern or for me, going to prison. But

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Speaker 3: a lot of the time it's during those times of

1539
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 3: stress and and failure that people find something within themselves.

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Speaker 3: And that's the way it went for me, and so now,

1541
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 3: you know, I could have been bitter about losing my

1542
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 3: home and my fiance and my dogs and my mates,

1543
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 3: but I realized I started to have gratitude right about

1544
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 3: the fact that I still had my health and family,

1545
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 3: and they were friends that I never thought would be there.

1546
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 3: That came out of the woodwork, and now I'm on

1547
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 3: this amazing positive path with comedy, and I'm much happier

1548
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 3: now living with my parents and doing stand up comedy

1549
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 3: than I ever was making money as a drug dealer,

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Speaker 3: which is crazy, right

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much that that's a pretty cool guy, cool story.