WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 1 January 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:01.920 Lately the gentleman. 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:05.320 Welcome to the late debate. 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:09.119 And welcome not only to the late deboat, but to 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:11.800 twenty twenty five, the very first late de boat for 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.760 twenty twenty five. I'm Kel Richard's nice to have your company, 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:16.919 thanks for joining us, and with me on the desk 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:21.360 we have fox as Sky News contributor Evelyn Ray and 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:25.680 the host of the fire at Will podcast, Will Kingston. Guys, 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.320 welcome to the program. Let me ask you this question. 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:31.000 Is it possible for a Minister of the crown to 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:33.560 hold a media conference without all the right flags in 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:38.440 the background? Apparently not? And will twenty twenty five be 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.640 the year in which China finally fulfills its threat to 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.640 invade Taiwan? Those stories coming up a bit later. But 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:47.840 firstly we begin as every news bullet you watch today 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:51.240 began with those big fireworks. I mean, it's great television, 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:54.440 isn't it. And everyone raves about the Australia, the Sydney 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:57.400 fireworks and how brilliant they are every year, how brilliant 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:01.280 they were this year. But were they watching the nine 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.440 o'clock fire works on ABC television? Your answer might have 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:08.080 been I have some reservations because Before we were allowed 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:11.480 to see any bangers making big bangs and sparks, we 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.880 had to listen to a welcome to country. Have a 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:15.319 look at this. 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.680 Hello everyone, and welcome to Sydney's fabulous New Year's Eve 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.840 celebrations here on Gaddigl and nearby lands. 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:27.160 Welcome to Gatigol country. This always was, always will be 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:28.640 Aboriginal land. 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:33.000 So apparently the fireworks don't happen on our land. The 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:35.240 fireworks happen on someone else's land, and we have to 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:35.959 be reminded. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:39.600 Will I think I'm breaking the fourth wall with the 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:41.880 audience here. There are some stories you can rinse and 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:44.880 repeat every year, and the woke fireworks as a January 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:47.160 one go to and we will get it next year 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:49.440 and the year after that. We know the ABCS can 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.120 always do this stuff. But what I would like to say, 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:53.080 and I think this will be a theme for OS 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.600 show tonight, is for everyone else, for everyone else who. 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:57.320 Is in the ABC. And I'm going to be indulgent. 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:59.040 I'm going to go go direct a camera for this. 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:01.840 If you're a CEO, if you're a celebrity, if you 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.360 anyone who doesn't work in the ABC, you're free. 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.800 You don't have to do this stuff anymore. People are 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:08.360 sick of it. 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.320 People are over it in terms of the Indigenous Digitus 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.720 affairs stuff. They actually care about, real things that matter 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:18.480 to people. They don't care about this symbolic nonsense. Guys, 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:20.280 I'm so sick of this, but I think everyone else 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:20.720 is as well. 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:21.240 What do you think? 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.640 I think it's bizarre, Evelyn at a firework show, we 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:28.400 have to have a welcome to country just lesliem strange 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:28.760 to you. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.000 Well, considering all the other places we've had to have 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.200 a welcome to country, I don't think it's that's up. 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:35.040 I can't even open. 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:38.360 A can of soft drink without needing a welcome to country. 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:38.760 You know. 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.320 I have some friends of mine who were telling me 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:42.320 that they had to go to. 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:46.040 Their kids end of year school assembly. 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:49.320 And I'm sure parents at home are feeling PTSD just 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.200 mentioning that because they are very long, very protracted. But 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:56.120 my friend was telling me that every single speech that 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.600 a teacher or someone of authority within the school had 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.919 to give, a separate welcome to country had to happen. 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:07.240 So I'm talking dozens of welcome to countries within one 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:11.360 school assembly. And this is the level of stupidity that 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:14.640 we have allowed, Like you said, will like, no one's 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.400 holding a gun to our heads. We don't have to 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:20.080 do this sort of stuff, and I think it's about 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.400 time we stop caring when. 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:26.239 They call us that ugly our word racist, No, because 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:31.080 it's not. You know, Australians are not racist. And I'm sure. 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.720 There might be a few bad apples there, but it 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:34.320 doesn't mean the whole bunch is bad. 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:36.000 But as a country, are. 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.080 People's head the gun being held to our heads? Is 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.720 you either acknowledge you are national people, you're not a 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:42.440 nice person. 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.360 No, I don't think that's the case anymore. I think 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:46.640 the gun is well and truly back in the whole style. 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:49.160 I think now, apart from a few loonies at the 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:53.760 ABC and some of the really woke, ideologically corrupted institutions, 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.000 I think we're past this. I think I think, at 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:59.440 least in respect to this particular sympo gesture, will you 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:00.600 both think past it? 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:03.920 But it is still happy. It's still happening last night. 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.920 But it's how people are responding to it that is changing. 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.920 Back in twenty twenty twenty twenty one, in that peak 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:11.360 madness period. 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:12.960 People were being quiet, people were. 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.280 Too scared to say anything, whereas now I think people 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:16.880 are going, well, you know what, this is a bit 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:17.360 of a nonsense. 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.280 I think that the Voice referendum was a really good 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:24.000 thing to boost people's confidence and it allowed people, you know, 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.640 regular Australians who normally would probably remain quiet on these 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:28.920 matters and go, you know, I'm not going to get 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.359 involved in politics. I'm going to enjoy my football, my 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:35.080 beers and et cetera. I think having majority of Australians 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:39.599 overwhelmingly say no, it wasn't just no to the referendum, 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.080 It was no to these woke ideologies. 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:45.479 It wasn't necessarily heard because what we actually saw last 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:49.560 night was at the nine o'clock displayed something called calling Country, 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:52.359 and it was full of these kinds of messages. Have 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.520 a look, I'm glad. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:05:03.640 To see last president. Future whoever you are listening to 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:10.080 gap up, change ways, the change, change ways. 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:11.560 Change. 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:13.720 Change the future. 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:17.760 So if you listen to the words all the way 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:21.120 through the fireworks, we were being well, I think the 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:23.239 word is lectured. Weren't we being lectured? 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:24.680 Yeah, we were being lectured. 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:27.640 But again the ABC is, as the ABC does, who 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.120 cares that the bigger issue I think is that people 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:33.159 now are calling this stuff out. I was flying in 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.919 from Heathrow to Sydney and Quantas still does this nonsense. 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:37.800 And when they did the welcome to country as we 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.320 were landing in Sydney, which should be a really great 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.080 time for returning Aussie, you get that welcome to country 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.360 and there was an audible groan that went across the economy. 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.040 And that encouraging an audible. 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:49.960 It really was, it really was. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:51.560 It gives you a hope for the future, wasn't. 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:53.480 That is a sign of how this is changing. 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.720 But I flew on a domestic flight. I mean, why 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.279 would they have to do it on domestic flights Melbourne 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.160 to Sydney. We've got to welcome the country arriving. We 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:05.120 were still in Australia folktionally, we hadn't left Australia and 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.880 we were being welcome to Sydney and there wasn't have grown. 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.200 I think people have just got used to it, their 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.280 blas about it, they just ignore it. 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.240 Well, maybe the difference is that I was coming from 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.960 an international flight where people haven't just been given this 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.320 every two seconds, and then when they heard it, they're going, 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:21.000 this is just silly, it's not on. 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.279 But I think something is changing. 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.479 I think maybe I'm just hopeful at twenty twenty five 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:26.280 something is changing. 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.760 Yeah, I definitely do think something is changing, and I 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.479 think that you know, it is encouraging when you see 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:32.919 things like that. 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:33.480 But I think the. 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:37.359 Problem that we're having, unfortunately, is that even though majority 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:39.240 of Australians behind the scenes are saying no, one, we're 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:41.479 seeing things in the plane like you did, these things 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:43.960 are on mainstream news and they're indoctrinating our. 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.039 Children, and children are very vulnerable. 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.400 Children are very impressionable, and that's where if you win 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:51.640 the hearts of your children, you've won the future. 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.480 And so I think even though behind the scenes. 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:58.080 We're all sort of collectively saying no, it's important to 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.880 win it from the front because what the children are 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:03.599 seeing is so important and the message that we're sending 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.560 them because they're our future, and that's what matters. 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:10.280 You see signs that this is changing in the community. 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:11.160 Oh absolutely. 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.320 I mean I'd love to bring up a story about 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:18.600 Woolworst actually for example. So I think it's all under 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.680 the same umbrella of that insatiable beast, which is this 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.880 woke you know, identity politics, and I think it was 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.440 a little while ago Woolworst actually came out and said, 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:29.880 you know what, we're going to actually ditch all of 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.320 the Australian Day merchandise. And there was actually like a 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.960 really large collective backlash from that, you know, the power 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.880 of the people. And because of that, Woolwors have actually 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:43.760 now reversed their decision to ditch selling it. And a 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:47.600 Woolworst spokesperson actually came out, I think it was only 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.160 a couple of days ago, and they said, we will 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:54.520 be celebrating Australia Day as a team and with our customers. 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:56.720 Isn't this wonderful? I mean, this is great news. 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.200 Isn't it like that we're actually seeing power of the people. 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.640 We're seeing people make a public you know, cry out 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:06.000 that we're sick of this, and then a corporation turn 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.480 around and change it. But I guess the question that 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.559 I have with all of this is is it enough? 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:12.760 Kel? 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.960 And do you think that Woolworst or big corporations like this, 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:18.480 do you think they've learn't from their mistakes? 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.360 Well, they lost their CEO last year and one of 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.200 the reasons that he went was because of the outcry 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:27.320 over their decision last year not to carry Australian Day 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:30.120 merchandise if they thought there wasn't a profit in it, 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.400 there's not a problem with that. They just put it 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.280 in one quarter and whoever wants to buy I can 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.120 buy it. Instead of which they announced they were not 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:42.000 carrying Australian Day merchandise. That's a kind of moral posturing. 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:45.080 It's saying, aren't we good people. We're nicer than the 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.560 rest of you because we know Australia Day is a 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:51.240 really bad idea. We think it's probably actually an invasion day, 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.360 and it's really divisive, So we're on the right side. 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:55.520 That's what they're trying to say. 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.120 Yeah, but I think with these corporate stories, it's worth 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.320 thinking about where this is actually being driven from in 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:02.319 the organization. So if you think about three layers of 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:03.920 a business, and you've got the kind of sea suite, 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.240 you've got the front line, and then you've got middle management. 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.760 It's not the sea suite who's driving this stuff. All 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:10.520 of them are old white guys who've never heard of 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:12.880 work politics, and it's not the front line. They want 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:14.560 to work hard and then get home to their families. 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.720 It is this middle management layer that have generally jobs 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.560 that don't matter, that are trying to make themselves more important, 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:23.960 like the marketing managers, like the HR managers, and they're 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.640 the ones who are now suddenly being called out because 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:28.480 when you see this wooly stuff, when you see this 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:32.079 stuff with Jaguar, for example, where it's not resonating with customers, 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.920 they're suddenly being told, hey, guys, I know that you 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.000 want to make your job more significant, You've also got 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:38.720 to make money at the same time. And I think 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:40.520 that's the area that we need to hone in on 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:42.040 when we're looking at these work corporates. 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.440 I think that in America they've done a really good 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:46.680 job with their marketing with certain businesses. 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:47.679 I look at bud Light. 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:49.400 I'm not sure if people at home are aware of this, 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:53.280 but they used certain marketing techniques for bud Light, and 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:56.960 majority of Americans said no, and they almost sent this 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:57.840 company broke. 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.360 You know, the people. What's the power what people can 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:03.280 do with these sorts of corporations. 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:06.000 But you know, with this Woolworth story and the Australia 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.160 Day story, I think it's really important for us to 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:12.120 remember that it's not just about you know, business is 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.880 doing things I think the whole Australia Day debate is 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.560 a really important one to have because we can see 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.280 its evolution over time. We can see how it began 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:23.280 as changing the date to abolishing the date, to now 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.920 you're ashamed if you want to be Australian, and. 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.040 It's sort of like this, like I mentioned before, this. 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:31.880 Insatiable beast that's always hungry, always thirsty, always out for blood, 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:34.319 never satisfied, always wanting more and more and more. 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:35.559 So I guess my question is. 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:38.040 If we continue to push back like this, do you 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.120 think that we can finally put this insatiable beast to bed? 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.679 Do you think that there's a point where Australians can 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.720 be loud enough that we can end this, or do 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:48.720 you think that we've just sort of begun the process 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:49.640 of undoing all of it. 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:52.400 I don't think we've even come close to losing Australia 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:55.680 To Day. You can't rewrite history, you can't pretend the 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.800 things that happened didn't happen. It actually was the fact 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.360 that the flag run up on the twenty sixth of 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:05.040 January seventeen eighty eight. By eighteen eighteen, the day was 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.120 being celebrated as anniversary Day, but later in the eighteen 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.840 hundreds it will celebrated as Foundation Day. From nine to 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.440 oh one it was celebrated as Australia Day. It always 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.640 was the day when Western civilization arrived in this country. 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:18.839 Not the birthday of Sydney, it's not the birthday of 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:22.520 New South Wales. It is the birthday of modern Australia, 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:26.600 which incorporates everyone. It incorporates the Aboriginal heritage that here, 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:30.640 it incorporates our migrant character, it incorporates our British foundation. 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.080 All of that is bound up in Australia Day. So 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.880 it's real, it's genuine, and sooner or later, people who 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.960 are running these kinds of ideologies get bitten in the 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:41.679 bum by reality, don't they. 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:44.320 Yeah, they do, unfortunately for our audience. 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:45.760 So I think they're going to be subjected to this 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.400 awful Australia Day debate for most of January, so I 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:50.480 will spare them more of that. 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:52.679 But I think there's a broader question that we're getting to. 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:56.760 Here, and that is is the whole woke movement past 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.959 its peak? And I was reading as a cracking article 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:02.920 from my friend and spectator colleague Linel Schreiver in the 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.839 Times from the UK Overnight where she was positing the 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:10.280 question is the woke movement over now? She said, in 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.600 one respect, there are really positive science. You can see 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.560 the corporate depart DEI departments are shrinking. You can see 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.319 that the podcast bros are now speaking out for common sense. 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:22.280 You can see that three preferred pronouns are dropping out 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:23.199 of emails. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:23.840 All that sort of stuff. 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:26.880 At the other at the same time, when you can 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.360 see that quote on the screen, we yearned to put 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.360 this rank idiocy behind us. So I worry about jumping 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.960 the gun because it is so entrenched in the institutions. 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.800 My question team, and I'll go to you first, kel E. 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:40.839 Are we past peak woke or is this a battle 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:42.120 we're going to be fighting for some time. 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.240 We've actually been saying we're past peak work for a 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.080 while and it's going to be hard to tell and 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.160 only the stories in the future will be able to 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.719 tell us. But the shines are looking good. I mean, 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.439 I think in Australia we had a vote on identity 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.840 politics when we voted on the Voice referendum, and it 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.800 was do you want to divide Australia boteity? Do you 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:04.000 want people to be separated into different groups based on 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.679 their family tree, or don't you And we said really 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.160 firmly and clearly, sixty one percent to thirty nine percent, no, 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.600 we reject identity politics. That's a fairly strong rejection of woke. 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.679 So I think there is a tide running. I'm not 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.240 sure that it's gone far enough yet, but I think 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:21.240 there's a tide running. 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.920 Evelyn said something earlier when we were talking when we 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.040 were talking about Australia Day, and she said that it 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:27.000 comes back to the kids. 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:27.360 Now. 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.600 My concern is that you look at the curriculums in 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.160 Australia at the moment, you look at the university sector 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.280 and they are absolutely ideologically corrupted. And the thing that 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.320 really frustrates me is whenever the left gets into power, 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:43.440 they do their darndas to basically recalibrate the curriculums to 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.880 promote a black arm bound view of history, to putting 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.360 in a particular view of the world. Whenever the right 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:50.640 gets in, it's a lais a fair, she'll be right 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:51.240 made approach. 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:52.440 That's why I'm. 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.000 Worried that we're going to be fighting this battle for 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:55.959 some time, because I no matter how well adjusted you 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:57.960 are as a kid. If you go through twelve years 0:13:57.960 --> 0:13:59.199 of this stuff, it's going to be pretty hard to 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:00.440 come out and not have that world view. 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.240 There's a reason why if you have a look at 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:07.199 all of these woke ideologies, all of the evil, all 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.040 of the really depraved things that are going on in 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.200 the world, there's a reason why they always go for 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:14.000 the kids. And the reason is because one, they are vulnerable, 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.200 they are impressionable, and if you win the hearts of children, 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.200 you can basically win votes in the future. And there 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.720 was this amazing study that was done on mainstream media. 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:25.440 I think it was Channel ten maybe, but I could 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:25.800 be wrong. 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.680 But they it was psychologists looking at children and they 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.520 threw them in a room and they were watching the 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:32.280 behaviors of these children over a period of. 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:32.680 Time, and. 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:38.360 Psychologists and whatnot found that by the age of five, 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.880 children form loyalties outside of mum and dad. And if 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.320 mum and dad haven't won the hearts of their children 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.400 by the time of five, once they hit school years, 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:51.280 they start forming loyalties with peers, with teachers, and with ideas, 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.280 and that's a really scary thing. So essentially, the results 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.520 of these studies were that you've got five years to 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.640 win the loyalty of your kid or whoever you're outsourcing 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.240 your p parenting to, whether that be a school, whether 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.200 that be you know, daycare, whatever you're outsourcing parenting too. 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:07.400 If you haven't won the loyalty of your kids, be 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:09.840 prepared that. You know your kids are going to get 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:13.320 loyalties to these things. And you're right, curriculums are plagued 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.400 with horrible ideologies. 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:16.720 You know. 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.520 It's filled with Marxism, as filled with the climate stuff. 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:20.200 You know. 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.080 I'm a huge advocate for homeschooling. I think homeschooling in 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:26.360 Australia is becoming a lot more mainstream and there's a 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.720 lot more resources out there, and I think it's fantastic 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:30.880 because sometimes it's the only safe option. 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.240 I pick you up on that because I understand about 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.440 the whole work curriculum stuff. But how do you then 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.080 mitigate against the fact that schools still do provide a 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:39.480 social education for kids. 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.800 There are so many studies that show that kids who 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.720 at homes would have absolutely no disadvantage with socialization. 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:45.880 If you actually look at the. 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:49.080 Studies, they do more better in employment and are more 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:50.040 successful with having a. 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:54.720 Relationships alternative, and that is a lot of grandparents now 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.960 stepping up to the plate and saying, yes, we're worried 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.720 about what's happening in stage schools arms us. 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:03.560 We don't want that to happen to our grandchildren. We 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.480 the grandparents, will pay the fees so they can go 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.000 to a private school. Some of them are smaller, community 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:12.440 based Christian schools, some of them are the long established 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.320 and far more expensive school. That depends on the grandparents. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:17.640 I can see right now there are grandparents watching who 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:20.720 are nodding their heads saying, yes, that's our role as grandparents. 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:22.680 We pay the fees so the kids get to go 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:26.880 to school where there is a more traditional quality education 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.160 without this kind of ideological component. That's an option. 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:31.000 It is an option. 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:32.720 And I think the lovely thing about that is that 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.400 there's also a crisis of loneliness amongst many older early 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:37.760 people in this country. And if you can get that 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:41.000 sort of connection between younger people and older people, you're 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:42.240 killing two birds in on Stone. 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:42.720 I'm all for it. 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:44.720 You should see how good homeschooling. 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:48.040 Is for that. Well, just say, grandparents are in fact 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.440 playing a different role in society than they used to play. 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.360 I wasn't all that close to my grandparents, but grandparents 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.240 in our generation, the baby boomers, we are now spending 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.640 a lot of time with our grandchildren and very involved 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.120 in their lives, and a good thing. It is too now. 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.399 Annika Wells is the Minister for Age Care in the 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.639 Albanese government and she had to give a media conference today. 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.720 Fairly straightforward, you would think, no problem with that. But 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:14.800 she started and then suddenly discovered three important flags were 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.399 not there. Behind her mad panic, she had to stop. 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:19.560 The flags had to be put up and start again. 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:26.520 Take a look, sorry, the flags and contrastsos. 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.239 Even what I supposed to do? 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:34.359 Well, look, it's just. 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:40.760 You can't see the toys straight islander. 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.000 Just bring it into the left to bed and bring 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:44.520 the Australian one a time it closer to you. 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:46.320 Thank you, prefect. 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.080 Yep, okay, all right, right? 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.200 Doesn't that make you feel better? The Aboriginal flag goes 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.280 in the middle, and then the Torres straight island flag 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:58.840 is put up, and finally the one national flag, which 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:00.760 is legally the flag of the name, goes up at 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.959 the end. Why do we need will why do we 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.960 need three flags? 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.359 When you see it done like that, it is actually 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.439 really funny. Initially that annoyed me that story until I 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:14.760 saw the clip and it's just fascicle when you look at. 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.000 Like it looks like Michael Scott from the Office, like 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.160 a scene from that are they're walking around. 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:22.640 The thing is that is really irritating is that it's 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:24.600 not the Australian flag in the middle. It's the I 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:26.680 think it's the indigenous flag in the middle, and it's 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:30.040 almost like the Australian flag is an afterthought. And again 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:33.119 this is symbolic stuff. This is not bread and butter issues. 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.520 But I think Darton has been very clever in selectively 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:38.800 picking up on some of these issues because the vast 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.919 majority of people in Australia now it irritates them. Is 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:43.960 it going to change their votes or is it a 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:47.200 vote deciding issue? Probably not, But like the whole Trump thing, 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:49.200 it adds to the vibe. It adds to the vibe 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.200 that this is stuff that people aren't tolerating anymore. 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:52.160 And I think he's been very clever. 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.160 And in fact, there was an attempt by the Albanuzi 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.399 government to say this is appalling. I mean, Peter Dutt 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:00.360 not prepared to stand in front of all the fas 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:02.639 and then they did a bit of public opinion polling 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.359 and discovered the vast majority of US reliance thought it 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.800 was a wonderful idea to just have the flag that 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.760 our Amsacs, our diggers fought under that behind the Prime 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.960 Minister and nothing else. It is the right move for damake, 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:14.720 isn't it. 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:16.959 It certainly is. It's the right move for all Australians. 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:20.040 I mean, one flag, one group of people, one nation. 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:23.280 And the problem when you have multiple flags is I mean, 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:26.439 I can't stand under the Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:27.359 flags because. 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:28.560 I'm not of those people. 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:32.080 But what can an Aboriginal, a Torres Straight Islander and 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:35.680 an Australian like myself stand under. We can stand under 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.680 the Australian flag all together, united as one. 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:40.399 And that's the beauty of our flag. 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:44.440 And when you have these different factions within one nation, 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:47.960 it is incredibly divided. And as one of the oldest playbooks, 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:51.439 you know that, you know if you wanted to divide 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.720 a nation and then you can conquer them, and that's 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:56.399 exactly what they're doing. They're sending out messages that we 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:58.200 are all different, we are not the same. 0:19:58.280 --> 0:19:59.760 I agree with that. With one nuance. 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.520 If an indigenous athlete wants to run around the track 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:05.560 with an indigenous flag over their shoulders, fine, that's your decision, 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:07.960 Go for your life. But it's when the government or 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:11.000 the opposition is actually making this part of state policy 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:13.240 that's where it becomes problematic. And that's why again I 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:15.919 think Dun's been clever to say as a country, this 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:16.440 is not on. 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:20.200 To understand how bad it would be. Imagine this. Imagine 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:23.879 at an American official government event, anything other than the 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:27.000 American flag, the stars and stripes, was out the front. 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:29.560 You can't imagine it, can you. They would never allow 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:32.680 it. It wouldn't happen, So we shouldn't allow it to happen either. 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:34.960 And I know most people are on side with that 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.840 when it comes, certainly, I'm sure you are. They just 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:42.360 go overseas now because China has never militarily been stronger 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:45.200 than it is right now. And we keep hearing that 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:48.879 this might be the year that finally Xixinping fulfills the 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:51.600 promise he's been making to his people four years now 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:55.040 that he will take back Taiwan, an independent nation of 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:59.080 twenty five million people. President Jijinping says no one can 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.840 stop China's reunification. He said, the people on both sides 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.720 of the Taiwan Strait are one family. No one can 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:09.440 sever our family bonds now. No one, he said, can 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:14.000 stop the historical trend of national reunification. Now. Whether he's 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:16.760 got his history right or not is a questionable thing. 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:20.040 Taiwan was the island of foremost off the off the 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:23.439 coast of China and never was part of mainline China. 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.520 So it is an independent nation, has been for a 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:28.879 long time now, and for it's been a democracy for 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:31.320 a long time now. And there is a commitment by 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:35.240 the Americans to defend Taiwan if Taiwan is attacked where 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:38.640 in the Anzas Treaty. So if America decides to respond 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:43.000 militarily if Taiwan is attacked, then does that commit Australia 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:46.680 sending whatever forces, whatever support we can do. Does that 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:49.960 mean our relations with China end up in an appalling 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:53.760 mess because China decides to take military action. Could twenty 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:57.760 twenty five be that kind of dangerous year? Will it? 0:21:57.800 --> 0:21:58.119 Could? 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:00.000 I think this is something which the West has there 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:03.720 head in the sand about. Je has said this is 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.440 going to happen. He's told his military generals that he 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:08.240 wants to be ready by twenty twenty seven. I think 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:12.000 that sort of timeframe is more likely, but I don't 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:14.920 think we're taking this threat seriously. The one nuance I 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:16.640 would say about this whole thing is I don't think 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:18.680 this is necessarily a boots on the ground invasion. I 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:20.960 think it's something closer to an economic blockade, and I 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.879 don't think the response is necessarily a military response. It 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:27.760 will probably be the Trump style economic tariff, economic warfare 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:31.919 or cyber warfare that he's been floating. But the fact 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:34.960 remains this is probably the most serious threat that not 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:36.200 enough people are talking about. 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:39.080 Yes, we're not talking about we're not thinking about it, 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:41.880 and yet we keep We've see him during last year, 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:49.320 we saw incursions into Taiwanese airspace repeatedly by Chinese military aircraft. 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:51.760 I mean, are we likely to actually see a war 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:56.399 in our region that Australia becomes involved in twenty twenty five. 0:22:57.359 --> 0:22:58.919 I really hope that we're not, And I think the 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:01.159 reason why we're perhaps not talking about it more it 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:04.000 is because there's wars going everywhere in the world at 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:06.480 the moment and people are sick of war. I'm sick 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:09.720 of war. I'm sick of, you know, wanting to be. 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:11.600 Involved in wars, particularly as a nation. 0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:14.639 I think what makes things like this really difficult is 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:17.600 the fact that we're allies with different people. And I 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:19.160 mean you only have to look at World War One 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:22.640 and World War Two to see how alliances are literally 0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:24.800 shaped like so much, particularly a. 0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:25.520 World War Two. 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:28.760 And I just think, to be honest that the US 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:32.280 and Australia, like, we're not the whole monitors of the world. 0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:34.560 And I do think to a degree we have to 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:36.359 be very careful. And I'll just finish this point. I 0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:38.560 know you want to look very desperate to say something 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:40.800 will but I just want to make this point. Our 0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:43.679 number one alliance should be America. We've been in a 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:47.359 military alliance with them since the fifties. Without them, we 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:50.040 have no hope against China. So that's a very important 0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:53.199 relationship that we need to hold on to. But I 0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:57.040 will say this, whilst China is a communist nation, not 0:23:57.080 --> 0:24:00.359 a democratic nation, and whilst China, you know, is, I 0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:03.320 wouldn't say our friend or so I think we need 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:07.320 to be very careful because China have built concrete islands 0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:10.240 just north of the Philippines if they wanted to, they 0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:12.640 could go there and send bombs that would hit our 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:13.520 shores over here. 0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:16.240 Not only that, I think that we would tread very 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:18.240 carefully due to our trade agreements with it. 0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:19.640 I don't agree with any of these, by the way, 0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:22.919 mind you, but stupidly, our politicians have set our country 0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:25.560 up so we're not self sufficient, so we rely on 0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:28.040 these stupid things like this. So I just think we 0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:31.520 need to be really careful to not warmonger, to not 0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:34.639 try and get involved in wars like this, and perhaps 0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:37.600 wait in our wisdom as a nation to see what happens. 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:41.160 I hope that when Trump comes into power. 0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:44.199 Our treaties won't always let us wait. If a treaty is. 0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:46.800 Activated, well, maybe we need to reassess our treaties. 0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:50.479 Well, if we've signed a treaty, we're committed to it, 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:53.399 and when the treaty is activated, it's activated. It's a 0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:56.320 bit too late then to say, oh, well, we weren't 0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:57.320 too sure when we signed it. 0:24:57.400 --> 0:24:59.320 We didn't really know all the times changed, Like you 0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:01.760 can't like if you have one treaty like I think 0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:03.960 his history shows that this isn't the point. 0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:05.760 This isn't the point. There are two things we need 0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:06.199 to consider. 0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:08.760 Number One, there are just wars, and there are wrong wars, 0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:10.520 and going into the Middle East in the early two 0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:13.000 thousands was a waste of time, and that was obviously. 0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:13.280 The wrong decision. 0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:15.879 This is the right war in the area of the 0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:18.440 world where there is a small democratic nation that is 0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:23.679 being bullied by a dictatorial, authoritarian, awful regime. The Chinese 0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:26.159 are not our friends. They are our greatest geopolitical foes. 0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:29.800 Make no mistake. They are an awful, ugly master us. 0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:30.800 Well, no they're not. 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:31.000 No. 0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:32.879 A lot of people are saying, well, that's not what 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:33.280 I'm saying. 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:35.679 That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is they 0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:38.119 are greatest geopolitical foes. Even if you don't agree with 0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:41.000 me on principle, the practical side is we cannot. 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:44.399 Afford to let them invade Taiwan, and there's there's war. 0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:46.800 And there's one very simple reason for that, and that 0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:49.680 is that Taiwan has ninety percent of the world's semiconductors 0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:51.240 manufactured in that country. 0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:52.440 If China takes. 0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:54.880 Control of that, then your iPhones won't be available by 0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:57.840 the time that is over. Maybe every single the world 0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:00.960 would be glad come on, sorry, but the modern world 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:03.600 runs off those semiconductors and unfortunately were about five or 0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:05.919 six years behind being able to manufacture those in the West. 0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:08.720 If that happens, that is catastrophic for the Western So 0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:09.040 this is. 0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:11.359 A real big problem for Australia. 0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:13.640 Involved who are living in a democracy twenty five million, 0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:17.160 roughly the size of Australia. They have a democracy, they 0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:20.320 have freedom. We saw what happened in Hong Kong. China 0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:22.320 came in with the end of the agreement with the 0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:24.679 United Kingdom and they took over Hong Kong and they 0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:26.600 signed the thing called the Basic Law and they said 0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:29.600 there will be to one country, two systems. They just 0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:31.919 broke the law. They ignore that there is no freedom 0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:34.919 in Hong Kong now and people who were campaigning for 0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:38.000 freedom and campaigning for liberties were people who are now 0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:40.720 in prison these days in Hong Kong. The same thing 0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:43.240 would happen to Taiwan. And we need to decide whether 0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:44.919 we as a country are prepared to sit back and 0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:48.000 do that. But Trump is a bit of a dove 0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:50.920 rather than a hawk. Would he get involved. 0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:54.760 Well, the short answer is I think he would. But 0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:58.560 whether that is a military intervention is an interesting question. 0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:01.840 Do you think He's mere presence is an I think. 0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:02.920 Much more so than Biden. 0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:05.240 Absolutely right, and I think we were talking about this 0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:08.440 earlier in the week. The concept of strength of deterrence 0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:10.679 through strength is really important to look. 0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:12.760 To what happened with Russia and Ukraine as soon as 0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:13.840 Trump came in exactly. 0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:18.439 So I'm much more comfortable that the Chinese will not 0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:21.760 intervene in Taiwan with a Trump presidency compared to a 0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:23.240 Harris presidency, and I hope. 0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:25.439 That happens so that we in Australia don't really have 0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:27.960 to get involved, because, to be honest, I think for 0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:28.680 a really. 0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:31.960 Long time, like a lot of the Shans. 0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:35.000 Particularly like political parties like One Nation, have been saying 0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:37.600 we need to stop relying on countries like Taiwan for 0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:40.400 making conductors so that when something like this happens, we're 0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:42.200 in a better position to put Australia first. 0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:44.240 But I would tell Paul enhancement is not easy to 0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:45.720 make semi conductors. We're not going to be able to 0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:46.800 do it in Broken Hill anytimes. 0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:49.600 We have an incredible country with a lot of people, 0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:51.399 with a lot of resources, a lot of space, like 0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:55.000 we have so many capabilities. 0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:56.960 In the short term. In the short term, when it 0:27:57.000 --> 0:27:59.360 comes to twenty twenty five, we need to decide, I know. 0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:01.480 But we we can have to talk about it now 0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:02.480 so this doesn't happen again. 0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:04.159 You can't do it in the long term either. I 0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:06.720 know that the world is getting more isolationist. I know 0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:09.200 that we need to put Australia first, But we can't 0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:11.320 completely ditch the idea of trade. 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:12.800 We can't completely ditch that. 0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:16.159 It should be limited and it should be used with discernment. 0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:19.000 Sure, I agree, but I just don't think we say 0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:21.000 let's do everything in Australia and she'll be right. 0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:23.800 It's logic though, like we could potentially get into war 0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:26.320 with like so many different nations across the world because 0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:27.840 we go, oh, well, we need this, Like at some 0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:29.840 point in time we have to go, yes, that's really 0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:32.399 horrible that the poor, you know, people in Hong Kong 0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:34.080 have had to suffer. That that's awful. 0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:36.280 But you know, my family and my kids come first. 0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:38.640 I agree, I agree, But if there is one war 0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:40.560 in the next decade that we think is the right 0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:42.040 water to fight, then this is the one. 0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:44.239 Well it could sound a bit bleak and you can 0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:46.680 feel it's a little bit bleak. You shouldn't, because I 0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:48.760 think we agree that the fact that Trump will be 0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:50.880 in the White House is more likely to make other 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:54.200 people nervous. Other people think again, now, looking ahead to 0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:56.840 twenty twenty five, how much does life go to cost 0:28:56.880 --> 0:29:00.440 you in twenty twenty five. We'll talk about that right 0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:07.080 after the break and welcome back to the late to boat. 0:29:07.520 --> 0:29:10.200 Now all of us care about our local GPS, our 0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.520 family doctors. They matter a lot to us. Is there 0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:14.720 a risk that there won't be enough of them to 0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:17.320 go around, that we will run out of GPS. We'll 0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:19.640 take a look at that in just a moment. But firstly, 0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:23.360 the economy. Now it's interesting I say the word economy 0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:26.360 and almost instantly and see your eyes glaze over. The economy. 0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:29.040 We're not interested, but it's actually about how we live. 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:31.600 There was a headline that I saw that said about 0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:35.560 what twenty twenty five holds for the Australian economy. The 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:38.840 headline said what twenty twenty five holds for the Australian 0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:42.440 economy in terms of property prices, rents and the cost 0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:45.400 of living, and all three of those things matter to 0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:47.680 us now I'm going to try to explain something that 0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:50.360 I would normally not do on isaiad Ross Greenwood beside 0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:53.320 me to explain the hard words. But the Australian Bureau 0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:56.600 of Statistics has just released figures saying that the Australian 0:29:56.600 --> 0:30:00.000 economy grew by zero point eight percent in the twelve 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.680 months up until September. Now, that is the slowest and 0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:07.520 lowest rate of growth since the nineteen nineties. In other words, 0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:10.880 our economy is growing very slowly. But at the same time, 0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:14.000 our headline rate of inflation is two point eight percent, 0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:17.520 and what's called the underlying rate of inflation. I think 0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:20.680 Ross calls that the trimmed mean because he uses big 0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:23.040 words like that. Our rate of inflation is three point 0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:26.000 five percent. That's inflation up here, that's the growth of 0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:29.040 our economy down here. That means things are going to 0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:31.400 be difficult for those of us who live in this country. 0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:35.560 Things will become more expensive, harder to access, and more 0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:39.680 people will be struggling. Will what's the as you look 0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:41.400 a here, I mean you've got an economics degree. When 0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:43.680 you look ahead at twenty twenty five, it'll be a 0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:44.520 tough year, won't it. 0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:46.600 Yeah, it will be tough yere as I said. I 0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:51.200 never said I was a good economist, but I think 0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:51.720 before we. 0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:54.320 Look at what the year ahead will be like, I 0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:56.520 just want to say, how did we get here? 0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:56.960 Yes? 0:30:57.000 --> 0:30:58.840 And the thing that really annoys me is that so 0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:01.800 many of these problems are entirely self inflicted. 0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:03.280 The growth issue. 0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:05.840 We've had the opportunities for serious economic reforms in this 0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:09.000 country for over twenty years, and no politicians have had 0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:11.120 the courage to do it. Not since how it's gsts 0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:15.280 anything seriously being done. We keep cheating growth by importing 0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:17.680 more and more people, because that's a great way to 0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:21.160 get top line GDP growth without really making the economy 0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:23.920 more productive. You add on something like net zero, which 0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:26.840 is just an easy way to hamstring your economy and 0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:30.280 particularly raise energy prices, and it makes you wonder are 0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:33.400 the politicians genuinely interested in the well being of our 0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:36.960 people or are they interested in potentially something else same thing. 0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:38.960 By the way, it's happening in the UK, it's happening 0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:41.360 in all of Europe. This isn't just an Australia problem. 0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:43.200 And it really just makes me a bit depressed that 0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:45.600 when you will see Trump come in this year and 0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:48.400 we'll see the handbrake go off that economy. 0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:50.320 It's going to be very stark. The difference between the. 0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:54.360 Question either of you about this, do you think that 0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:57.280 COVID was the final nail in the coffin or do 0:31:57.320 --> 0:32:02.360 you think that how our governments across the West Europe, Australia, 0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:04.720 New Zealand do you think the way that they handled 0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:07.600 COVID has played a huge part in why we are 0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:08.760 suffering so bad now? 0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:12.520 Like what came first, Well, COVID made them spend more money. 0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:15.920 And when government spending rises, that creates a problem in 0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:17.880 the economy, doesn't it, Well, yeah it does. 0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:21.240 But also COVID got us comfortable with the government solving 0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:22.160 all of our problems. 0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:23.840 You know, in the past, the government. 0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:27.200 We provide limited services to the people, they collect tax 0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:29.400 and then that would be basically the remit of the government. 0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:32.040 But then in COVID we got comfortable with the government 0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:35.360 then becoming the income with actually giving us money. 0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:37.920 It was easier to stay host the governments to pay 0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:38.480 you than work. 0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:39.240 It was easy. 0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:41.800 And I don't think and in fairness to our politicians, 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:42.880 I don't think we. 0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:45.320 Have got our heads out of that headspace. 0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:47.880 We need to say, you know what, the government isn't 0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:50.400 there to provide money. The government is there to in 0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:53.320 a very limited capacity, which means over the next five years, 0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:55.360 if we're going to be serious about our economy, we 0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:57.720 need to cut back spending. You know, Abbat tried to 0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:01.440 do it briefly, and you know what, yone in Australia revolted. 0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:03.280 And so maybe I wonder do we need to have 0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:05.480 an economic catastrophe before people take this seriously. 0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:05.960 Maybe we do. 0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:07.920 Maybe it will be as bad as that. But let's 0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:09.360 have a look at what the politicians are the same. 0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:12.680 Because our treasurer is doctor Jim Chalmers, and he's talking 0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.440 about what he's doing in his budget in order to 0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:17.160 make things better for you this year. Take a look 0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:19.640 at his budget boosters. He says, these are the things 0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:23.240 which have kicked in on the first of January, a 0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:25.920 huge tranch of things that he's brought in. A fifty 0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:29.840 percent wage increase for age care workers, youth allowance as 0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:34.640 our study increases, the pharmaceutic got benefits scheme co payment 0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:37.280 has been frozen. It won't go up there. We could 0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:39.320 go on. They're a list of about a dozen things, 0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:42.239 all of them involve the government spending money, and that 0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:44.480 means there's more money in the economy chasing the same 0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:47.240 amount of goods and services, and that means that inflation 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:51.160 continues to rise. Where we are constantly told by the RBA, 0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:54.280 by the International Monetary Fund that it's government spending that's 0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:57.720 causing the problem. Where at the moment we're in a 0:33:57.800 --> 0:34:00.920 kind of a rut that is stopping us from getting ahead, 0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:01.320 aren't we? 0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:02.440 I think so? 0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:05.120 And I mean to be honest, I think every day 0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:07.360 Australians at this point in time just want to know, Okay, 0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:10.920 we're in a rut. One, how do we fix this? 0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:13.360 And two who's going to fix it? Because at the 0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:16.319 moment we just got so many empty words from politicians. 0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:17.840 We have the Treasurer. 0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:19.759 Saying, you know, we've got better days ahead, you know, 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:22.560 while he's got sweat, you know, cascading down the side 0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:26.440 of his temple. You know, people do not believe the 0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:29.400 lies that we're being spun. And I guess the question 0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:32.080 as well is are people going to be gullible when 0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:33.480 it comes time to election? 0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:35.080 And I think we've. 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:37.440 Got to stop voting, you know, based off like this 0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:40.960 loyalty to one party, like who's got the best holicies, who's. 0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:41.919 Going to get us out of this rut. 0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:45.200 I don't think it's necessarily gullible as much as politicians 0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:48.120 with courage and persuasive ability. So I was speaking to 0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:50.520 John Anson, former Deputy Prime Minister of Australia under the 0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.160 Howard government, the other day. He was telling me, you know, 0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:55.880 on this topic, do you think the Howard government had 0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:59.040 a mandate for debt reduction? Do you think that was 0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:02.279 something that was necessary popular? Cutting back spending, actually doing 0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:04.600 that hard budgery work. Of course it wasn't. It's not 0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:06.640 popular when you're taking money away from people. 0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:07.279 He had to. 0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:11.080 They had to make the case, Howard, Costello Anderson. They 0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.080 hit the trail and they said, this is going to 0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:15.040 be painful, but we need to do it for these reasons. 0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:16.120 It will be better for the country. 0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:18.359 And it's that sort of political leadership that sadly has 0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:20.320 been lacking for the last fifteen years, and that is 0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:21.839 why we find ourselves in this position now. 0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:25.480 James Carvill famously wrote all line for Bill Clinton during 0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:27.839 his first election campaign, and the line that he wrote 0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:31.080 that Bill Clinton used when he was competing against George 0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:34.960 Bush Senior was it's the economy stupid. Will that be 0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:38.520 our federal election in twenty twenty five, Will it wud 0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:41.320 be a fort and one on the economy? 0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:45.279 Yeah, the short answer is yes, because it's always fort 0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:46.719 and one on the economy. 0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:47.359 Carvill was right. 0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:49.399 You know, you saw this in the US recently where 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:53.120 all of the abortion stuff, all of the identity politics 0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:55.360 staff got a lot of media attention, but really it 0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:57.120 came down to inflation in the first two years of 0:35:57.120 --> 0:35:59.440 the Biden government, and it came down to people feeling 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:01.360 like they'll pay more for goods and services than what 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.880 they once did. That's what Trump wanted. Money speaks, and 0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:06.319 these Brillians are feeling the same way. Now. 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:07.759 The interesting thing, and I know we. 0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:10.680 Discussed this earlier in the week, but Australias are feeling 0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:13.239 like the economy is in a bad position. But we 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:15.800 also traditionally have not punted out first term governments. 0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:16.799 So it's a question of. 0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:21.479 Whether or not that traditional trend will endure or whether 0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:23.880 the old maxim that it's the economy stupid will endure. 0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:26.440 There are people we've trusted in the past, so just 0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:29.880 John Howard and Peter Costello, who were economic reformers and 0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:32.680 who ran a very successful economy and handed over a 0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:37.360 budget which was not in deficit, it was in surplus. 0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:40.640 Now they came out today and they were in the newspaper. 0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.600 There was a headline saying that John Howard and Peter 0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:49.400 Costello have lashed Anthony Alberizi and Jim Charmer's budget mismanagement. Basically, 0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:52.839 they're saying that they described Jim Charmer's budget as being 0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:56.680 out of control. So is this going to be the 0:36:56.680 --> 0:36:59.279 issue on which people decide who they choose as their 0:36:59.360 --> 0:36:59.759 next perime. 0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:01.520 I think it will be. 0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:05.120 And like I think at this point in time, people 0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:07.200 just want to be able to feed their families. People 0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:08.719 want to be able to you know, put a roof 0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:12.880 over their families' heads and have nice things, like you know, 0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:14.680 we are our first world nation, and this is a 0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:17.880 huge thing because it's quite terrifying to think to have 0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:20.400 another four years of this, you know, like we have 0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:23.760 for such a long period of time lived. I guess 0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:26.799 by necessity we're not really prosperous like we once were, 0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:30.279 Like you know, we've sort of spent you know the 0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:33.000 last part of our you know, few years of life 0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:34.319 just trying to make ends meet. 0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:36.719 My question is this is like the sporting team that's 0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:39.080 relying on the thirty eight year old five eight to 0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:40.880 just kind of guide them around the field. Why have 0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:43.800 we still got Howard and Costello trying to make these arguments. 0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:46.840 I haven't heard Dart and I even Angus Taylor making 0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:51.240 any really coherent conservative right wing economic arguments lately. 0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:52.480 Why do we still have the. 0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:55.760 Kind of the greats making these making these making these arguments. 0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:58.439 Actually, I think Angus Tayler has been dealing really well 0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:00.640 with the stupments put it by Jim and for the 0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:03.400 last six months has been making a case quite strongly. 0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:06.160 So I do think he's cutting through. Yeah, I think 0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:09.399 he is. And what we need from people like Peter 0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:14.120 Dutton and Angus Taylor is something concrete that we can believe. 0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:16.080 I mean, if they said we're going to knock off 0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:18.200 the fuel text because that will make life a bit 0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:20.919 cheaper for you, we would understand that, and we'd say, Okay, 0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:23.200 that's a good thing. That's a good reason for now. 0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:25.719 We need to hear something like that, Surely we. 0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:29.000 Do, and it needs to be messaged in a compelling way. 0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:31.319 So you said yourself when we were going to this topic. 0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:34.000 Kell that people's eyes glaze over when we talk economics. 0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:36.640 That's why you need Without a doubt, the greatest modern 0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:40.440 communicator in Australian politics was Tony Abbott with short stop 0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:43.000 the boat style messaging. We need to hear that. And 0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:45.160 that's my concern with someone like an Angus Taylor is 0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:47.440 I haven't heard him cut through with that type of messaging. 0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:49.680 Okay, well we'll see if he can do it. One 0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:52.759 of the issues that is playing into this is immigration. 0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:55.600 We've got a huge problem with cost of housing. Whether 0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:57.640 you're trying to buy a house, whether you're trying to 0:38:57.680 --> 0:39:00.680 rent property, there's just not enough to go and that's 0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:03.880 because there are more people than there are houses. Because 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:08.200 the immigration rate has been under the Alberanese government for 0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:12.400 the last three years just extraordinarily high. They did promise 0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:14.120 in the last budget to cut it back, but they 0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:16.680 haven't got back to the lower numbers they claim they 0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:19.040 would get back to. Now Peter Dutton is saying he 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:22.720 will cut back immigration rates. Peter Dutton's pledged to slash 0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:26.200 immigration as the best way to these the pressure on 0:39:26.280 --> 0:39:29.440 housing and suggesting that this is the issue that could 0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:32.279 in the end decide the outcome of the election in 0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:34.400 twenty twenty five, if he can come up with a 0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:37.239 good argument saying I'm going to cut back enough immigration 0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:40.040 so that the housing will become available for you. For 0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:43.000 the Australians living here who are looking for housing. We 0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:46.000 worry about our children, We worry about our grandchildren. How 0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:48.640 will they ever afford a home? Is this the issue 0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:51.239 that matters the size of immigration that's coming in. 0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:54.120 I think that immigration across all western nations is the 0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:58.040 hot topic at the moment. I think it's relevant to America, 0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:01.160 it's relevant to all of Europe, to the UK, and 0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:04.120 to Australia. And you know, you've got to ask the question, 0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:08.520 like everybody seems to be flocking to us, you know, 0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:11.920 and at some point in time we have to say no, 0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:14.120 and we have to put our kids, and we have 0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:16.520 to put our family and our nation first. And I 0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:19.520 think that this is such a pivotal moment. I think 0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:21.800 this was a huge part of Trump's win in America 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:24.520 because he basically said he's you know, all of the 0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:28.280 illegal immigrants that came in, you know, via the border 0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:30.719 when Biden was in was out of this world, like 0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:33.040 it was out of this world, and that was a 0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:34.600 huge thing that he leaned on. 0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:36.359 And as soon as he was, you know. 0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:39.760 Was elected, one of the first people that he employed 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:43.520 in his you know, defense and things, came out and 0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:46.440 gave this amazing speech about how he said he's. 0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:49.680 Going to clean up and deport and get them all back. 0:40:49.719 --> 0:40:51.480 And that was a huge thing, and I think a 0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:53.279 lot of people were like, why can't somebody do that 0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:55.759 for our country. Everybody was looking on and going, we 0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:58.719 need that for us because I want I don't want 0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:01.200 my kids, and I'm sure people at home don't want 0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:03.360 their kids having to compete. 0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:06.520 With the globe, you know, for for a house or 0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:07.960 for a job. It's that simple. 0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:11.359 But we're not talking about quite the situation that Trump 0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:14.239 faced because we're not talking about illegal immigration. These people 0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:20.000 are coming he illegally by the Alberica government. 0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:23.960 Yeah, well, thank god for the Howard and Abbott governments 0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:26.120 where they actually got illegal immigration under control. 0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:26.759 You can see how. 0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:28.360 Were in island. That's the only reason we have an 0:41:28.440 --> 0:41:31.520 under correct government is so weak. If we were like America, sure. 0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:35.080 Sure, But the bigger issue again for us is legal 0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:37.480 just the size. But the thing is the size. It 0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:38.440 is the sheer size. 0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:42.560 Look, immigration is the central issue that will define politics 0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:44.440 for the next decade around the world. 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:46.160 I put up a post a poll on. 0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:47.840 Twitter the other day and I said, what is the 0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:51.360 greatest threat to the future of Western civilization? Is it debt, 0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:54.880 is it identity politics? Is it uncontrolled mass migration? 0:41:55.000 --> 0:41:55.560 Or is it war? 0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:57.720 And I think out of three thy five hundred responsors 0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:00.319 it came through at about eighty percent for migration. This 0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:03.560 is something that people are really feeling. But it's not 0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:07.000 just the economics. It is the cultural cohesion thing exactly 0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:08.600 that I think is something and if to be honest, 0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:10.960 having come from the UK, it is the UK is 0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:14.000 considerably worse at the moment, but Australia is trailing and 0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:16.680 I think I'm worried particularly, and the elephant in the 0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:20.840 room is immigration from fundamentalist Islamic countries. We saw what 0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:23.600 happened after October seven. This is not the type of 0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:25.920 immigration that we saw in the sixties and seventies. This 0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:27.640 is a very different world we're living in and I 0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:29.200 think that's the thing we need to actually have the 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:30.080 courage stub to walk well. 0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:32.279 In your poll that you mentioned, you mentioned a few 0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:35.440 like economics, you mentioned war, and you mentioned these I 0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:38.480 would hazard a guess, and I would say my opinion 0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:43.200 would be that unchecked mass immigration would actually be the 0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:44.520 catalyst for those. 0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:45.759 Other problems within a nation. 0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:48.000 If you get that under control, I think you have 0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:50.719 a far better chance of getting those other things under control. 0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:52.720 There would be less war, there would be less conflict, 0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:54.120 the culture will be cohesive. 0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:55.680 I think it comes down to a question of what 0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:57.919 is a nation. What defines a nation. Is a nation 0:42:58.080 --> 0:43:00.840 an idea or is a nation something else? And I 0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:03.040 believe a nation is something else than just an idea. 0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:03.399 And JD. 0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:07.680 Vance, the vice president elect in America, actually gave a 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:09.680 speech about this, and he's on the same page as 0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:10.880 I would be in that you. 0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:13.720 Know, a nation is a nation. It's not an idea. 0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:16.920 It's a group of people all living under one culture, 0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:20.240 one sort of idea, and that America is not an idea, 0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:21.680 and that it should be taken more seriously. And I 0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:23.680 think that we in the West need to take on 0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:24.600 that attitude that. 0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:26.520 Needs to become an issue in the election. We need 0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:29.719 politicians who can give us persuasive accounts of what they're 0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:31.879 going to do, what they would actually do. Once they're 0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:34.360 in office. Let's turn to that issue that I raised 0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:38.560 earlier of our family doctor, our local GP. There's express 0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:42.239 there's concern being expressed, fears that Australia may in fact 0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:45.080 have a GP shortage. And the reason is a lot 0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:48.040 of the doctors around now are getting older. Australia may 0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:51.799 face a GP Shortage's figures reveals almost ten percent of 0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:54.799 doctors are now aged over seventy. But that's not the 0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:58.360 end of it. The National Regulator now wants to introduce 0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:01.879 health checks for doctors who are aged seventy and over, 0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:06.000 so some of those people who are older doctors, they 0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:08.960 may be knocked out of practicing. And this, according to 0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:11.920 the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners, would be another 0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:16.840 regulatory burden unnecessarily imposed on the general practice profession without 0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:21.000 evidence of supporting effectiveness. And I have to say, I 0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:25.560 think will that's a nonsense idea. People are healthier longer. 0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:27.799 Doctors know if they're healthy or not, if they want 0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:30.160 to practice as doctors, let them practice as doctors. 0:44:30.160 --> 0:44:30.399 Sure. 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:32.560 The real question is why aren't there enough young people 0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:35.080 coming through to actually become doctors. And here's my I 0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:39.719 guess instinct it's always been a very, very appealing profession. 0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:42.360 I think it is because our education system is no 0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:44.239 longer fit for purpose and there are less kids who 0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:46.319 a smart enough to actually be doctors. And as a 0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:48.560 result of that, there are less capable people coming through 0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:49.680 a lot of people who. 0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:52.440 Fifteen year course and kids don't have attention spans for 0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:52.960 that sort of thing. 0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:55.759 The potentially potentially, But I think it's always been a 0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:56.640 very appealing job. 0:44:56.680 --> 0:44:58.239 It's always been a very prestigious job. 0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:02.880 I think unfortunately see education, basic literacy and numeracy is 0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:05.480 going backwards. I think that comes out in how you're 0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:07.080 seeing April Bank doctors. 0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:10.400 I know three doctors and some of them go to 0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:13.120 church with me, all GPS who were laid off because 0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:15.160 they chose not to get the vaccine. There's three more 0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:17.760 gps for you, you know, if you're that worried. 0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:20.200 Yes, So we actually need to get rid of the 0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:24.040 nonsense of compulsory vaccines now coming up in just a moment. 0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:27.239 We need to take a look at what's going to 0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:29.879 happen in the future. I want to have a look 0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:34.759 at the predictions for twenty twenty five and work out 0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:38.640 what advice we would give Anthony Alberzi, if you've had 0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:41.200 an opportunity to sit down and say one quick piece 0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:43.879 of advice, mister Prime Minister. Here it is, what would 0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:49.760 it be? Think about that? Back after the break? Welcome 0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:52.600 back advice for Anthony Albernizi from US three in just 0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:55.640 a moment. But firstly, since nineteen seventy six, the Lake 0:45:55.680 --> 0:45:58.400 Superior State University has been putting out each year a 0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:02.640 list of banished words, words that have been abused, misused, overused, 0:46:02.719 --> 0:46:05.879 or just a plane irritating. And just a few hours 0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:09.640 ago they released their twenty twenty five list of banished words. 0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:13.280 Here are the words they want banished from everyone's vocabulary. 0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:17.239 Cringe as it makes me cringe. The whole world seems 0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:20.279 to make someone cringe these days. Game changer? How often 0:46:20.280 --> 0:46:24.319 can you change the game without everything changing? Era the 0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:28.040 Taylor Swift word dropped. Movies and books are not released 0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:31.400 these days, they're dropped. That dreadful iyk y if you 0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:34.120 know you know, which apparently is another one of those 0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:38.640 texting bits of shorthand that they use. Sorry not sorry 0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:41.640 is a sort of half hearted apology where people pretend 0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:45.200 to apologize but then take it back. Skibberty is a 0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:48.880 totally meaningless word used as a kind of noise of 0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:52.600 approval by young people who don't know any better. One 0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:55.719 hundred percent is being used instead of people saying absolutely. 0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:58.480 They expressed agreement in the past saying absolutely. Now they're 0:46:58.480 --> 0:47:01.239 saying one hundred percent. We don't use anything anymore. We 0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:04.600 utilize it and period. Because it's an American list, we 0:47:04.640 --> 0:47:07.040 would say full stop. It's an irritating word at the 0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:09.680 end of a sentence, so stop using it full stop. 0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:12.439 So what words would we choose? What would we pick 0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:14.960 us as a word or phrase that you would like 0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:17.160 to ban from the English language at least for the 0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:17.759 next year. 0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:23.240 Very easy, d e I Diversity, equity, inclusion done, finished 0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:24.000 in the bin. 0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:25.040 Okay, that's gone. 0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:29.000 Well, we'll go from an initialism to an a acronym 0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:32.120 and I'll give you GOAT. I'm so sick of whenever 0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:34.240 a half decent performance is put in from a sportsman, 0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:37.080 like a jasperate boomram, they're suddenly called the ghost or 0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:39.719 the greatst had that last night, I lie saying. 0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:39.960 And it's come. 0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:41.799 And that's why I'm saying we need to banish it, 0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:43.840 because now we've ended my vocabulary. 0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:47.719 It's wrong trender young Will has actually put the kaibo shop. 0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:49.799 Although I actually think John Howard is the goat of 0:47:49.800 --> 0:47:51.520 Australian politics, I will back that up. 0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:54.680 And what I'd like to pick is not a single word, 0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:57.960 but a phrase doing it tough. I've had enough of 0:47:58.040 --> 0:48:00.600 hearing Jim Chalmers as our treasurer at telling is we're 0:48:00.640 --> 0:48:03.080 doing it tough. We know we're doing it tough. We're 0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:06.239 the ones doing it tough. Okay, We're going to sit 0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:10.240 down and spend a minute with Anthony Albanezia, Prime Minister, 0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:12.480 and we're going to say, mister Prime Minister, we have 0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:15.200 a very quick, one sentence bit of advice for you, 0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:17.120 and it is please. 0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:19.960 Evelyn repent and say christ Is King. That's the only 0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:20.480 hope you have. 0:48:21.239 --> 0:48:22.040 What's yours world? 0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:24.840 B bold, have some guts and put one bold reform 0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:28.040 out there. Don't just kind of like wander into this 0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:29.560 mediocre defeat. 0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:31.400 I probably agree with it, but be bold. 0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:34.520 Give us something to actually really engage within this country. 0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:37.359 The word you're looking for as leadership, give us here. 0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:38.040 You're here. 0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:40.040 And the one word that I want to talk to 0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:43.359 the Prime Minister about is the word important. Now can 0:48:43.400 --> 0:48:45.880 you please pronounce it properly, Prime Minister. It's got a 0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:49.440 T in the middle, not a D. It's not pronounced important. 0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:52.040 But every time you say it, you say important, you 0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:55.080 do a glotti stop in the medial tea and can 0:48:55.120 --> 0:48:57.320 I tell you it's irritating a whole lot of people, 0:48:57.440 --> 0:49:00.479 so you're tell them to get practice it important after 0:49:00.520 --> 0:49:03.000 me Important. It's not hard. You can do it, so 0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:05.000 give it a try, Prime Minister. There you are a 0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:07.840 bit of guidance for twenty twenty five. And thank you 0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:11.440 for being sharing our company on this the first edition 0:49:11.760 --> 0:49:14.840 of the Late Debate for twenty twenty five. Thanks to 0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:17.279 Evelyn and to Will and to you, and we'll see 0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:18.000 you tomorrow night.