1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: You can listen to the Front on your smart speaker 2 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: every morning to hear the latest episode. Just say play 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: the news from the Australian. From the Australian, here's what's 4 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: on the Front. I'm Kristin Amiot. It's Tuesday, August twenty seven. 5 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: Peter Dutton is the most divisive leader of any major 6 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: political party in Australia's modern history. That's according to Treasurer 7 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: Jim Chalmers, who made his scathing assessment of the opposition 8 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: leader in a major speech in Melbourne on Monday night. 9 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: Doctor Chalmers looked forward to the next election, saying Dutton's 10 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: divisiveness should be disqualifying. One hundred billion dollars that's how 11 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: much the Coalition plans to say if it wins the 12 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: next election. It's being touted as a back to basics 13 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: approach on spending as Australians feel the crunch from cost 14 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: of living pressures. That exclusive story is live right now 15 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:16,919 Speaker 1: at The Australian dot com dot a U be Alert, 16 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: not Alarmed. Our chief international correspondent believes airstrikes by Israel 17 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: and Hesbela over the weekend are likely to reduce the 18 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: risk of war, and Cameron Stewart says, it's clear nobody's 19 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: ready for all out war in the Middle East. That's 20 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: today's episode. On Sunday morning, rockets rained down on southern Lebanon. 21 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: They were targeting military sites belonging to the Iranian backed 22 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: terrorist group Hesbla. Prime Minister Benjamin NETTNYA, who said later 23 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: that the Israeli Defense Force was acting on intelligence that 24 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: indicated a large scale attack was brewing over Israel's northern border. 25 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: Zbala Israel said thousands of Hesbela military sites had been destroyed, 26 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: but within hours, in the early morning light, Israel's infamous 27 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: Iron Dome sprang into action, intercepting hundreds of rockets launched 28 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: by the Lebanese group. Birds can be heard chirping, but 29 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: the light of dawn pales in comparison to the fiery 30 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: tales of missiles zigzagging across the sky. A Hesbela said 31 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: it had sent more than two hundred rockets south into 32 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: populated areas of northern Israel. Drones were captured exploding on 33 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: film two, but only one woman was injured as a 34 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: direct result of the attack. Al Lado woman held Falado 35 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: this was an act of revere by Hesbelah for the 36 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: death of its military chief on July thirty. 37 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: And Jon Padilla, the hatman in shah Allah. 38 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: Israel hasn't claimed any responsibility for the assassination, but it 39 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: didn't denounce it either, and Hesbela hasn't ruled out further attacks. 40 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: Cam rotrek from both sides of the border appears to 41 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: indicate that this is an escalation of the conflict in 42 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: the Middle East. But things were strangely quiet after those 43 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: hundreds of rockets were fired from both Israel and Lebanon 44 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: on the weekend. So is this an escalation, Well, it's interesting. 45 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: It's an escalation certainly in the very short term, but 46 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: I think in the longer term it probably isn't. 47 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: Cameron Stewart is the Australian's chief international correspondent. 48 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: Now, of course things are very fluid, anything can change 49 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,279 Speaker 2: in the next forty eight hours or so. But interestingly, 50 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: this barage of Baroca fired all occur within a twenty 51 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 2: four hour period, and it seemed as if this was 52 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: going to escalate the conflict. However, Hesbala then abruptly stopped 53 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: its bombardment and said that's all for now, and Israel 54 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: didn't have a big, heavy blanket response. So I think 55 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: if you read between the lines, even though there was 56 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: a lot of literally smoke and bombardment on both sides, 57 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: I think what we're seeing here is a desire by 58 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: both Hesba and Israel to limit the conflict to some degree. 59 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: When Hamas militants invaded southern Israel on October seven, killing 60 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: almost twelve hundred people, Israel was totally blindsided. It retaliated 61 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: with a full scale invasion of Gaza, where her Mass 62 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: is based. Thousands of people have been killed or injured 63 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: in that conflict, many of them are Palestinian civilians. Millions 64 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: more have been displaced, left with ourt shelter, food and 65 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: clean water. Mediations, and ceasefire negotiations have failed, the gunfire 66 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: raging for all but six days. Hezbela joined the fighting 67 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: the very next day, on October eighth, and has fired 68 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: thousands of missiles and drones at northern Israel since then, 69 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,119 Speaker 1: sparking fears this could become an all out regional war. 70 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: So far, that hasn't happened. Cam You've written for the 71 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: paper that the events of the weekend weren't necessarily enough 72 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: to tip this conflict into a region wide war. Are 73 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: we seeing the crystallization of Israel's strategy? Here? Is this 74 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: ten month assault of Gaza a warning to the rest 75 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: of the region. 76 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: Well, the Israel certainly has been very muscular in its 77 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: response to any threats. It's obviously hurted sinternational reputation by 78 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: the heaviness of the response in Gaza. It's certainly responded 79 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: very vigorously to previous attacks by Hezbalah and by Iran's 80 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: proxies in the region as well. But I think Israel 81 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: does not want to go into have a full scale 82 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: conflict with Hesba. Hezebela is the best armed terror force 83 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: in the region. If it really wanted to, if it 84 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 2: really wanted to attack Israel, especially civilian centers, it could 85 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: do horrific damage to Israel. What's happened is Israel has 86 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: to basically abandon villagers in northern Israel. There's tens of 87 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 2: thousands of people there Christian who can't go back to 88 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,559 Speaker 2: their homes and so this is a real problem for Israel. 89 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 2: How does it deal with these low level attacks by 90 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: Hezbollah without creating a bigger war? And so in a way, 91 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: this attack allows Hezbollah to, if you like say face 92 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: to say look, we've attacked Israel, whereas that in fact 93 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: the attack caused almost no damage to Israel, but it 94 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: does allow Hesbella to save face. So that's why I 95 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: think Hesbella might be quite satisfied with this outcome, because 96 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 2: it looks like it's been hairy chested about its threats, 97 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: but in fact it's actually done so in a way 98 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: that doesn't appear to have infuriated Israel. 99 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: And what's the calculus for the other fringe players in 100 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: this conflict? Do you think what's going on in the 101 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: war rooms of Iran and Yemen for example right now? 102 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question because Iran and of course 103 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: Hesbola are incredibly close. Hesbelah more or less does what 104 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: Iran wants it to do, and so the question is 105 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: now what will Iran do? Because Iran, just like Hesbola, 106 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: pledged to attack Israel. In Iran's case, it was in 107 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: retaliation for the assassination of the political chief of Hamas 108 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: in Tehran last month. Iran has done nothing and Israel 109 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: has waited. Now the question here is what will Iran do. 110 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: We've seen what Hesbela has done. Will Iran have any 111 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: sort of strike against Israel? If it did, would it 112 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: be a big strike or would it be a limited 113 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: strikee That's really the calculus which everyone's looking at at 114 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: this minute. 115 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: Israel's placed a lot of focus on the fact that 116 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: this was a preemptive strike based on intelligence that it 117 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: says it's had for several weeks. Now. That's in stark 118 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: contrast to the catastrophic intelligence failure of October seven? Is 119 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: that intentional? Do you think are they trying to maybe 120 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: either reassure Israeli's in there intelligence abilities or are they 121 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: sending again a warning to other forces in the region 122 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: that they know what they're up to. 123 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 2: I think to a degree, what they're trying to do 124 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: here is genuinely forestall a very big attack by Hesbla, 125 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: if that's what Hesbola was planning. But of course the 126 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: image that gives of Israeli intelligence knowing the threat is 127 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 2: certainly something which Israel would be keen the net Niyahu 128 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: government would be very keen to reinforce. I mean Benjamin 129 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 2: nett Niaho, the Israeli Prime Minister. His fundamental political problem 130 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: above all else here is at the moment that the 131 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: fighting dies down. If there was a cease fire agreement, 132 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: for example, between Hamas and Israel in Gaza. The focus 133 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: politically in Israel will be going on to October seven 134 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: and on the catastrophic intelligence failures under net Nieh's watch 135 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: that allowed this massacre of Israelis by Hamas to happen. 136 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: That is the big shadow that hangs over Israeli politics 137 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 2: or the Israeli government at this point in time. So 138 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: they certainly would like to, wherever possible, demonstrate that their 139 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: intelligence services are not as bad as they did appear 140 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: on October seven. 141 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: Coming up, what the weekend's events mean for the future 142 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: of the Middle East conflict. Don't forget Subscribers to The 143 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: Australian get access to this kind of in depth reporting 144 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: and analysis around the clock. Check us out at the 145 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: Australian dot com dot au and we'll be back after 146 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: this break. As Israel and hesbel a traded missile fire 147 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: on Sunday, peace talks hit another hurdle. Hamas rejected a 148 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: ceasefire deal broken by negotiators from the United States, Katah 149 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: and Egypt. It took issue with the suggestion Israeli troops 150 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: would remain stationed on the Philadelphi Corridor. That's a fourteen 151 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: kilometer strip of land along the border between Gaza and Egypt. 152 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: It's not the first time a ceasefire deal between Israel 153 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: and Hamas has fallen over here's Cameron Stewart. Just lastly, 154 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: Cam on Monday, it was reported that Hamas has rejected 155 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: the latest ceasefire deal negotiated by the United States and others. 156 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: This conflict is quickly coming up on a terrible milestone, 157 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: that's the one year bark. But everyone seems to be 158 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: in this strange holding pattern where no one's pushing it 159 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: into a region wide conflict, but no one's backing out either. 160 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: So where does this conflict go from here in the 161 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: context of what's happened over the weekend. 162 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 2: Well, strangely enough, the peace talks are still going on, 163 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: and it's very difficult to read because each day you 164 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: hear different things, you read different things. The concept of 165 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: whether they will agree to this peace deal seems to 166 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: shift by the day with Hamas, so they don't appear 167 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: entirely committed to it and entirely reliable. You can also 168 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: ask the same question of Israel. There's a lot of 169 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 2: speculation that Benjamin Nie, who doesn't really like this cease 170 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: fire deal. He doesn't really want to cease fire. He 171 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 2: wants to keep going after Hamas. So I think the 172 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: commitment to the ceasefire from both Hamas and Israel's point 173 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 2: of view is very much up in to debate, and 174 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 2: each day you keep thinking it's getting closer and closer. 175 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: The Americans have been saying it's very close. Joe Biden, 176 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: the President, said just the other day, we think we're 177 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: very close, but it hasn't yet happened, and it's absolutely 178 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 2: no guarantee to happen at this point in time. 179 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: Cameron Stewart is The Australian's chief international correspondent. You can 180 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: read all our reporting and analysis of the conflict in 181 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: the Middle East right now at the Australian dot com 182 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: dot are you