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Speaker 1: Jason Lauren on one hundred Jason Luren with you this

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Speaker 1: morning plenty of the newsroom as well, and this morning,

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Speaker 1: just waking up listening to your news, Clint, I was like,

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Speaker 1: what again in twenty twenty four, there's so much to

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Speaker 1: worry about as a parent, and then you hear a

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Speaker 1: story like this.

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Speaker 2: A teenage boy's been arrested after fifty girls at Backers

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Speaker 2: Marsh Grammar had fake AI nude images of them created

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Speaker 2: and circulated on social media years nine to twelve. The

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Speaker 2: girls are from.

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Speaker 3: So is that it's using their faces from public photos

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Speaker 3: to the internet.

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Speaker 2: Also someone's yeah, someone's gone to their Instagram page, dropped

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Speaker 2: out their face, put it through some sort of AI technology.

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Speaker 2: I don't really understand how it works, and then it creates.

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Speaker 4: Yeah body right.

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Speaker 5: But just like it's terrifying for parents, whether it's really

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Speaker 5: for the kids.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely to photos like that circulated through the school. Since then,

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Speaker 2: a teenage boy has been arrested.

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Speaker 5: So why is this happening? I've got an expert in

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Speaker 5: this morning. Susan McLain worked in the Victoria Police Force

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Speaker 5: for near on twenty seven years. She's now a cyber

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Speaker 5: safety expert Susan, good morning, good morning morning. How concerning

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Speaker 5: is this?

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Speaker 6: Like, it's really concerning, and my heart goes out to

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Speaker 6: those girls. The fact that someone who they probably thought

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Speaker 6: they could trust took these photos off their social media

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Speaker 6: platforms and then manipulated them into nude AI images is

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Speaker 6: just appurrent.

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Speaker 2: So when you say someone they trust, technically it could

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Speaker 2: be someone they've never met, right, Like it could you know,

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Speaker 2: any Joe blog could have access to their social pages

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Speaker 2: if they're public, and get their face and make them AI.

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Speaker 6: Correct, that could happen. But when we see it, that

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Speaker 6: is a school based event, if you like, it is

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Speaker 6: nearly ninety nine percent another student yea, right, And so

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Speaker 6: the point like, why would you target a whole group

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Speaker 6: for one school if you weren't there to see the

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Speaker 3: These images because we've seen them not just with school kids,

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Speaker 3: we've seen with celebrities.

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Speaker 4: We're saying with lots of people.

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Speaker 3: They if you're looking at it, you can't tell it's

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Speaker 3: not real, right.

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Speaker 6: No, No, Look, since people talk about photoshop, and your

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Speaker 6: photoshop was pretty good, but you could normally tell the

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Speaker 6: head was different to the body. Yeah, with AI, I

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Speaker 6: mean there's degrees of AI and there's some AI that

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Speaker 6: I would look at and go, yeah, that's fake. But

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Speaker 6: most of it, the good AI and the good IO

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Speaker 6: is free, Like it doesn't cost you anything to have

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Speaker 6: these programs. You cannot discern it to the naked eye,

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Speaker 6: extremely realistic.

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Speaker 4: So this is technology. This is the way the world

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Speaker 4: is going.

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Speaker 3: All of this is readily available to kids, to adults,

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Speaker 3: to anybody.

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Speaker 4: How do we stop it?

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Speaker 3: Are our rules and laws here in Victoria, in Australia

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Speaker 3: tough enough?

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Speaker 2: Have they caught up with technology?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Look, I won't say caught up one hundred percent, but

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Speaker 6: we're better than many parts of the world. Generating a

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Speaker 6: naked image of a child is class's child abuse material,

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Speaker 6: regardless whether it's a cartoon, an anime, or real or AI.

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Speaker 6: So we do have that covered.

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Speaker 4: Even if another child creates it themselves.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, because you are considered legally responsible for your actions

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Speaker 6: from the age of ten. From the age of ten

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Speaker 6: to fourteen, the police then has to prove that you

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Speaker 6: knew what you were doing as well before charges can

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Speaker 6: be laid. But certainly you know young people or do

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Speaker 6: we have a children's called Young People are presented before

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Speaker 6: the court on a daily basis, and I think we

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Speaker 6: this is not only disrespectful, hurtful and horrible, it is

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Speaker 6: criminal and there will be consequences. No questions asked, no

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Speaker 6: slap on the wrist. Do you know that this is wrong?

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Speaker 5: Susan. So fifty female students in this case have been

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Speaker 5: impacted from years nine to twelve. From your experience, your

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Speaker 5: vast experience, how harmful can this be?

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Speaker 6: Horrible? Like, no one is going to know the mental

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Speaker 6: health impact on an individual victims, and that's going to

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Speaker 6: come down to a lot of things. But even the

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Speaker 6: most resilient, mentally well young person cannot help but be

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Speaker 6: effected by this, as we've seen with the crime of

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Speaker 6: sextortion that targets predominantly teenage boys, that previously mentally well

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Speaker 6: young people are taking their own lives because of the

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Speaker 6: fact that nood images are being threatened to be released

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Speaker 6: on the internet. I can see this type of behavior

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, That's what's scared the hell out of me when

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Speaker 2: I read it this morning. I'm like, as a parent,

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Speaker 2: I'm scared enough about my kids being teased at school,

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Speaker 2: and then the way technology is going because, like, in

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Speaker 2: all honesty, how easy is it to create these sort

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Speaker 6: Really easy? I looked at an AI generator program on

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Speaker 6: the computer recently and it was as simple as uploading

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Speaker 6: a couple of photos, pressing a button and then it

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Speaker 6: would give you a whole lot of options that you

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Speaker 2: The companies that are releasing these apps are they Are

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Speaker 2: they responsible in any way in the eyes of the law.

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Speaker 6: Well, no, because their argument will be not my fault

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Speaker 6: that my product was missed you. Yeah, that's the line

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Speaker 6: that they will take. But we need the social media

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Speaker 6: platforms to try to I mean, they should be identifying

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Speaker 6: your images AI or otherwise and should be either blocking

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Speaker 6: them or I mean they do remove them very very quickly,

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Speaker 6: but we need to do better at that because the

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Speaker 6: harm occurs the longer the images is online and the

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Speaker 6: wider the spread. So if we can get it removed quickly,

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Speaker 6: we can reduce some of the harm.

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Speaker 4: So, Susan, what how do we stop it? Is it

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Speaker 3: Is it schools taking responsibility to mums and dads driving

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Speaker 3: to work this morning thinking oh my gosh, this could

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Speaker 3: happen to my child?

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Speaker 5: Or this.

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Speaker 3: You know someone that my child knows might do this.

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Speaker 3: How do we educate these kids to try and stop

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Speaker 6: So we need comprehensive education in schools, absolutely, but we

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Speaker 6: need parents like it's interesting the parents driving to school

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Speaker 6: going oh my god, this could happen to my child. Yes,

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Speaker 6: but there'll be parents that are driving now that will

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Speaker 6: be going, oh, not my kid, My kid wouldn't do that.

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Speaker 6: This happened. I can guarantee in a home on a

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Speaker 6: parent's watch. So it is a parent's responsibility to know

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Speaker 6: what their child is doing online, through they're doing it with,

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Speaker 6: and to ensure that a they are safe and be

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Speaker 6: not inflicting harm on someone else. So everyone has a

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Speaker 6: role to play. It's not you know, one particular demographic,

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Speaker 6: but parents need to step up to the mark. Your

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Speaker 6: sons are watching pornography, we know that that's happening in

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Speaker 6: primary school, and you need to be the voice of reason,

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Speaker 6: respect consequence.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to push back on you a little bit here. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to push back on you a bit here, Susan,

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Speaker 2: because I sit here and go, yeah, it's our responsibility,

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Speaker 2: but you can't watch your kid twenty four to seven,

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Speaker 2: like what laws is sort of saying they need to

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Speaker 2: say the implications being very harsh if they go down

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Speaker 6: Oh absolutely, and no, no parent can watch twenty four seven.

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Speaker 6: But you know you don't allow your kids with phones

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Speaker 6: and devices in bedrooms and bathrooms. You do have a

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Speaker 6: their devices, know their past posts and passwords. It doesn't

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Speaker 6: mean nothing will happen, and it doesn't mean you'll see everything.

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Speaker 6: You're having a crack at it. You cannot live in

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Speaker 6: la la land and think not my kids.

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Speaker 2: No, I agree.

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Speaker 5: There also comes a stage where you surely have to

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Speaker 5: empower your kids. It's not easy.

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Speaker 2: Like I turn my back for a second and they've

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Speaker 2: grabbed the phone. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: Sus Sorry, I was just going to say, Susan, thanks

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Speaker 5: so much. If you're insight this morning, we do really

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Speaker 5: appreciate it. Susan McLain from Cyber Safety Solutions, and it's

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Speaker 5: worth noting for kids in cars, Kids help Line one

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Speaker 5: eight hundred, double five one eight hundred is the number

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Speaker 5: to call if you are in strife.

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Speaker 3: I think Susan was right when she said that, you

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Speaker 3: know these the kids that are doing it, they need the.

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Speaker 4: Rules and the laws to crack down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but other kids need to be aware of the

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Speaker 3: consequences if you stuff, because kids can do dumb things.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely not, and it's dumb.

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Speaker 3: And they think it's funny, and they think that it's

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Speaker 3: just a bit of school bandter teasing other kids at school.

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Speaker 2: It's a criminal to a certain degrees, a bit of

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Speaker 2: old school. But they need the ship scared out of

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Speaker 2: them in this regard. It's like, you do this, you'll

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Speaker 2: go to jail. It's as simple as that.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's scary.

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Speaker 3: Jason Lauren wake up feeling Good on over one hundred

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Speaker 4: On socials