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Speaker 1: Hi, Erin Sally from the Department of Health. I spoke

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Speaker 1: to call me, but thought it might be helpful if

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Speaker 1: I let you know the sort of information I want

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Speaker 1: to discuss. I need to know what drinks were served

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Speaker 1: at the lunch. I also need to know what type

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Speaker 1: of shalots you purchased. And if you could please give

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Speaker 1: me a basic description of the packaging of the mushrooms

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Speaker 1: from the Asian grocer, that would be good. Approximate weight

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Speaker 1: and size of the packaging, was it partially see through

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Speaker 1: or not? And if you think of the names of

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Speaker 1: the roads you were parking on or near when you

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Speaker 1: went to the different grocery stores, then I can get

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Speaker 1: the officers out looking around those areas. Even a landmark

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Speaker 2: Hi, Sally, sure, I will try to get that information

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Speaker 2: all to you as soon as possible. I'm just dealing

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Speaker 2: hospital here and a bit snowed under trying to manage that.

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Speaker 2: I'll get this info to you as soon as I can,

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Speaker 2: but I've just been in a couple of meetings with

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Speaker 2: people at the hospital when you've been trying to call.

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Speaker 1: In the early days after the mushroom line, which Sally

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Speaker 1: Ann Atkinson messaged Aaron Patterson searching for information, she was

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Speaker 1: desperate to make sure poisonous ingredients hadn't found their way

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Speaker 1: into grocery stores across Victoria, desperate to make sure there

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Speaker 1: was no risk to the community. She described her search

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Speaker 1: and what Erin told her today in court. I'm Brooke

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Speaker 1: Greebert Craig, and this is the Mushroom Cook. It's week five,

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Speaker 1: day nineteen of Aaron Patterson's murder trial, and once again

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Speaker 1: I'm here in our makeshift podcast studio with my colleague

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Speaker 1: court reporter Laura Plasela. Hi, Laura, Hey, Brook.

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Speaker 3: I cannot believe we are in week five.

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Speaker 1: I know it's crazy. Time flies when you're having fun, and.

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Speaker 3: I will say it seems like our podcast studio is

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Speaker 3: back to normal. Thank god.

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Speaker 1: We had quite a number of witnesses in court today

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Speaker 1: for to be exact, we also had a man briefly

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Speaker 1: interrupt the proceedings, but we'll talk more on that later.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with our first witness, Sally Ann Atkinson. She

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Speaker 1: is a senior public health advisor at the Department of Health.

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Speaker 1: She took the stand today and spoke about several phone

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Speaker 1: calls and text message exchanges she had with Erin from

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Speaker 1: August one, twenty twenty three, So this is three days

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Speaker 1: after the lunch on July twenty nine.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. Miss Atkinson told the jury today that

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Speaker 3: she received a disease notification relating to suspected deathcat mushroom poisoning,

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Speaker 3: and she spoke with a toxicologist from Austin Health who

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Speaker 3: Miss Atkinson told the court that she then spoke to

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Speaker 3: Erin to gather some more details. She spoke first about

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Speaker 3: the symptoms Aaron was experiencing, considering on August one, Erin

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Speaker 3: of the lunch that July twenty nine, and then every

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Speaker 3: She said she started to feel better that night, but

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Speaker 1: Miss Atkinson also said that Aaron told her about how

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Speaker 1: she served the beef wellington.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Miss Atkinson said she did ask Aaron some questions

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Speaker 3: about the lunch. Erin confirmed she made a beef wellington

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Speaker 3: told her all the beef Wellingtons were plated individually and

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Speaker 3: everyone around that table had the same food. Did jury

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Speaker 3: have heard previously that Erin used a best selling recipe

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Speaker 3: Miss Atkinson was really trying to gather as much information

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Speaker 1: Miss Atkinson then told the jury she attended a group

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Speaker 3: It's been a while since I've heard the words chief

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Speaker 1: So then what happened On August two?

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Speaker 3: Miss Atkinson said she sent Erin another text message, and

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Speaker 1: So did Erin actually answer any of Miss Atkinson's questions.

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Speaker 3: She did so over the phone. Miss Atkinson said that

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Speaker 1: After this phone call, there was another text message exchange.

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Speaker 1: Miss Atkinson told the jury that Aaron originally said she

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Speaker 1: These are their words, but not their voices. Hi erin Sorry,

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Speaker 1: Counselor just asked what time of day did you buy

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure exactly what time of day. I went

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Speaker 3: The next day, on August three, there was another phone call.

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Speaker 3: This time Miss Atkinson was really focusing on the meal

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Speaker 3: over the days in early August, Monasity Council were conducting

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Speaker 1: The jury heard there was another text message exchange between

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Speaker 1: the pair on August four. This was about the leftovers

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Speaker 1: of that lunch. Good morning, Erin. I was wondering if

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Speaker 1: I could clarify with you please, what happened to the

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Speaker 1: the leftovers you scraped off were in the bin, but

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Speaker 1: Let's move on to another witness. Doctor Brian Beer, a

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Speaker 1: forensic pathologist at Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine, gave evidence

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Speaker 3: Doctor Beer said that for all three their causes of

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Speaker 1: The jury also heard from Ben Goodwin. He's a forensic

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Speaker 1: Just to remind our listeners, this is the same dehydrator

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Speaker 3: The court heard that the dehydrator was seized by police

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Speaker 3: from these seven samples, four tested positive for these amatoxins.

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Speaker 1: was cross examined today by Aaron's barrister, Colin Mandy.

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Speaker 3: Sc Yes, that's right. He may not need an introduction

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Speaker 1: That was all the evidence today, But as we said

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Speaker 3: Yes, and he was actually seated right next to me.

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Speaker 3: and addressed Justice Christopher Beale directly he said, how can

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Speaker 3: But this outburst didn't last long at all. The informant

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Speaker 3: his name is Stephen Eppingstall. He made a beeline for

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Speaker 1: So it's safe to say there were really no disruptions

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Speaker 3: Right even less I reckon the whole thing was over

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Speaker 3: in about thirty seconds, and before we knew it, mister

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Speaker 3: Fox Henry was continuing his evidence.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Laura, and to stay updated on the case, go

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Speaker 1: to the mushroomcook dot com dot au for more