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Speaker 3: I'm done trying to make you uncomfortable for the record.

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Speaker 3: For the record, don't try and make you uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Clink season nineteen. We are honored

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Speaker 2: today to have a guest that I have been following

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Speaker 2: now for a little bit. This man is inspiring many

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Speaker 2: through his actions, not just his words. He has lived

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Speaker 2: a life that few have. He's had every reason to

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Speaker 2: not come back from it and want to strive to

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Speaker 2: be better, but he has chosen to become a leader

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Speaker 2: in his community and engage with young people and try

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Speaker 2: and bring them to a better way of life. Firstly,

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Speaker 2: I just want to say a big shout out to

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Speaker 2: today's guest from Sydney. Thank you, brother for joining me

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Speaker 2: this afternoon on the Clink PRINTZ. How are you mate?

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Speaker 1: Hi brother? Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: But I'm a little bit in awe of what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, I find it okay. So let me

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Speaker 2: just be straight up. I use social media for my

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Speaker 2: own sort of movement, you know what I mean. I

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Speaker 2: and the what's what, And there's a lot of gimmicks

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Speaker 2: you don't need to hear anyone's war stories, and you

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Speaker 2: know the who's who and what's what? You know and

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Speaker 2: you just go, okay, was that was life? And move

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Speaker 2: move on from that sort of thing. So I tend

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Speaker 2: moment from the socials of trying who I follow on.

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Speaker 2: But I love to give support to anyone that I

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Speaker 2: believe at is out there doing their best and having

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Speaker 2: a crack and you, my brother, come across a few

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Speaker 2: months ago now and there was something catchy about you

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Speaker 2: and the way you spoke was with just pure passion

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Speaker 2: and drive to want to succeed. And I thought, this

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Speaker 2: blake needs to be able to you just need to

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Speaker 2: be supported to get your message out there. I want

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Speaker 2: to see you strive like I actually personally want wanted

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Speaker 2: to see you do good. Then as time's gone on,

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Speaker 2: I've seen you do more and more things. You've come

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Speaker 2: up with a great concept which I'll let you talk

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Speaker 2: about to our audience today, and a story that resonated

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Speaker 2: with me about you mentoring a young man whom now

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Speaker 2: is in business, a successful business and someone I guess

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Speaker 2: you basically put on your wing as a little brother

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Speaker 2: when you've done a lot of time. Trust is huge

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Speaker 2: and your words everything. You took the time to go

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Speaker 2: and mate it it was a real pleasure to watch.

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Speaker 2: So firstly, I want to congratulate you on what it

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Speaker 2: So Prince, take us back, Brother, Where where did it

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Speaker 1: That was? That was a great intro. Bro. It was

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Speaker 2: No, I don't I don't like to talk shoot or

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Bro, Where did it start? I guess

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Speaker 1: I'm grew up in Sydney. I've been a Sydney boy

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Speaker 2: And then so were you playing sort of Harold Matthew's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was playing union. I was actually paying union.

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Speaker 2: I just come out of jail like I had nothing.

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Speaker 2: They're good to get around you to keep me lifted.

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Speaker 2: But what I did have is history, street knowledge and

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Speaker 2: know there in that manner, not so much the right way,

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Speaker 2: and when I resonate with what you just say, because

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Speaker 2: You know, once you get to a certain age, you're

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Speaker 2: With me, it was just lifestyle of choice and the

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Speaker 1: Stops it is, you know, that's that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: I've spent my whole junior has given it to him,

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Speaker 2: You should always be there to pick each other up.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent, ninety nine percent of the time. That

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like most of us through boys' homes, you know,

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Speaker 2: Order me pie and I can shit coffe every you

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00:22:05,041 --> 00:22:07,961
Speaker 2: if you're lucky and you don't get there too, like yeah, kicking, screaming,

432
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 2: carrying on.

433
00:22:08,721 --> 00:22:13,081
Speaker 1: So I was, I was so away. I got into

434
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: Darcy in a small to our bunk cell and I

435
00:22:18,281 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: was on my own when I first got I just

436
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,721
Speaker 1: remember I was just looking at the window and had

437
00:22:21,801 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: I just started smiling. It sounds silly, but I was.

438
00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: It was almost like, yeah, you know, all right, I'm

439
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 1: in jail. I sort of I've done it in a sense,

440
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,521
Speaker 1: you know, like yeah, because I guess when you're growing

441
00:22:35,561 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: up running a mark and you know the older boys

442
00:22:37,801 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 1: that you're looking up to in and out of the system,

443
00:22:39,721 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 1: and it's sort of like all right, you want to

444
00:22:43,521 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 1: but you don't want to, you know what I mean,

445
00:22:44,961 --> 00:22:46,721
Speaker 1: you want to have that that lotch on the belt.

446
00:22:47,801 --> 00:22:50,281
Speaker 2: So I just remember looking at so the fact that

447
00:22:50,321 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 2: you were there and you know you got through it,

448
00:22:52,321 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 2: and you know you held your own this and that,

449
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 2: you know, like it's all starting to give you street credit.

450
00:22:58,201 --> 00:23:00,681
Speaker 1: To Yeah, that's it, I mean. And I'm still young,

451
00:23:00,761 --> 00:23:03,801
Speaker 1: so impressionable, you know what I mean. And I'm thinking, well,

452
00:23:03,961 --> 00:23:04,921
Speaker 1: so handsome as well.

453
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: I don't know about that, but talk about impressing them.

454
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,761
Speaker 2: Ill look at him.

455
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,561
Speaker 1: I don't know about all right.

456
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 2: I hope, so, I hope. So it was a freebie

457
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 2: take it.

458
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,561
Speaker 1: I was tay, I take it at my age, of

459
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 1: all the grades I've got coming through, so I'll take it.

460
00:23:27,761 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: Come on, now, come on, now, come on. I'm nearly fifty.

461
00:23:30,761 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 2: But you know that.

462
00:23:31,441 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 1: I was, oh, well, well you look better than me

463
00:23:34,441 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: for that age perspective. But yeah, bro, I remember just

464
00:23:39,281 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: looking at the window and thinking, yeah, you know, I

465
00:23:41,681 --> 00:23:45,201
Speaker 1: was just excited. That was the only the only thing

466
00:23:45,241 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 1: that I felt in that moment, was just pure excitement.

467
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:54,001
Speaker 1: And about an hour later, the door cracked and Silly

468
00:23:54,041 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: walked in and it was this young bloke that I

469
00:23:55,801 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 1: was in Surry Hills with and he was excited. So

470
00:23:58,441 --> 00:24:00,721
Speaker 1: we were just jumping around like two kids. On Christmas,

471
00:24:00,761 --> 00:24:01,561
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like.

472
00:24:01,681 --> 00:24:06,121
Speaker 2: No, you weren't those kids the windows or I wasn't,

473
00:24:07,041 --> 00:24:11,041
Speaker 2: but he was. Can we just talk about that, look,

474
00:24:11,201 --> 00:24:13,961
Speaker 2: because one thing we do is we don't glorify any

475
00:24:14,001 --> 00:24:16,961
Speaker 2: of this. This is all part of Prince's journey, as

476
00:24:16,961 --> 00:24:19,401
Speaker 2: everybody knows mine and every one of the guests, you know.

477
00:24:19,521 --> 00:24:22,761
Speaker 2: So it's important that you, guys, if you are a

478
00:24:22,801 --> 00:24:26,481
Speaker 2: new listener, try to understand why we have a little

479
00:24:26,521 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 2: bit of a laugh about certain things that we speak of,

480
00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:32,801
Speaker 2: because yes, it is very serious, and look, you know,

481
00:24:32,961 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 2: the crimes are serious and the time serious, but no

482
00:24:36,241 --> 00:24:39,801
Speaker 2: one truly understands what that reception winger is like. And

483
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: it is chaos. It is just full chaos, you know,

484
00:24:43,001 --> 00:24:45,401
Speaker 2: like until you get to a jail or a steady

485
00:24:45,481 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: remand or a yard where you sort of can settle

486
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 2: in a bit. So Prince, it must have been a

487
00:24:50,001 --> 00:24:52,681
Speaker 2: bit of a shock sort of going in there though,

488
00:24:52,721 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, you know, like you

489
00:24:55,001 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 2: are sitting in Darcy, the worst place you'd want to be,

490
00:24:58,321 --> 00:25:00,761
Speaker 2: and it's like a circus. It just doesn't stop.

491
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,041
Speaker 1: It just all night.

492
00:25:02,001 --> 00:25:05,001
Speaker 2: Long, politics, boys yelling out to other lads that they

493
00:25:05,201 --> 00:25:08,321
Speaker 2: know and telling stories and oh mate, giving it to

494
00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: old mate, and it just your head. And not only

495
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 2: that for people that don't understand. When you go into

496
00:25:13,921 --> 00:25:17,761
Speaker 2: these cells, they're putrid. If you've got half of any

497
00:25:17,801 --> 00:25:22,681
Speaker 2: sort of I guess cleanliness about you, you start scrubbing

498
00:25:22,801 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: the moment you get in there. But generally on your

499
00:25:25,281 --> 00:25:28,081
Speaker 2: first night, or even for the first couple of nights,

500
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: unless you've got a sweeper that you know, you're getting nothing.

501
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:34,801
Speaker 2: You're getting jack shit, You're getting no dirty bed walls

502
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,321
Speaker 2: of putrid toilets. Disgusting and it is just back then,

503
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:41,721
Speaker 2: obviously there was white ox that would just stink out

504
00:25:41,761 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 2: the cells. Like you can't even put it into words,

505
00:25:44,961 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: how bad it is. So for some it's about them

506
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,721
Speaker 2: trying to find their I guess, their their their their balance,

507
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 2: coming into jail for the first time. But how ugly

508
00:25:57,241 --> 00:25:57,561
Speaker 2: is it?

509
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: And it's honestly, it was. It was horrendous, Like it was,

510
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:07,881
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess the reason why you know, I thought,

511
00:26:08,041 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: you know, I was, I was all excited and this

512
00:26:09,761 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: and that it was because it was maybe it was

513
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: just my way of dealing with him, you know what

514
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:19,361
Speaker 1: I mean, sort of instead of sitting around Sucker and Win.

515
00:26:19,921 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, well, this is a new experience.

516
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: This is sort of what you play. It's part of

517
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,521
Speaker 1: the game, and here I am. So I'm just going

518
00:26:25,561 --> 00:26:28,521
Speaker 1: to embrace it. I mean, obviously I wasn't when I

519
00:26:28,561 --> 00:26:31,201
Speaker 1: went in later for my big whack, I wasn't sicking

520
00:26:31,201 --> 00:26:35,561
Speaker 1: and dancer, you know, I was pretty upset. But but

521
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: for this first time anyway, I was a young kid,

522
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, stupid.

523
00:26:39,721 --> 00:26:43,121
Speaker 2: So how are you at this moment? Ada? So you're adeen,

524
00:26:43,201 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: You've just kicked off five years.

525
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: Now, So well, yeah, I am so. MARCELLI was young.

526
00:26:54,001 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: He was a young Labbo bloke as well, So he

527
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,601
Speaker 1: went straight to the window, all no carring on who's here,

528
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,721
Speaker 1: who's not. He actually wasn't his first time. He had

529
00:27:01,721 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: been in before. He was maybe a year older than me,

530
00:27:05,041 --> 00:27:07,281
Speaker 1: and he had done three or four months before. So yeah,

531
00:27:07,441 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: he yeah, he was you know, had a bit of

532
00:27:11,441 --> 00:27:13,561
Speaker 1: a taste for us. So it was show off for

533
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: the don't know it. Yeah I was at the window

534
00:27:16,681 --> 00:27:20,001
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean we had a good two nights,

535
00:27:20,041 --> 00:27:21,681
Speaker 1: you know, I mean the first day I walked out.

536
00:27:21,721 --> 00:27:25,201
Speaker 1: The next day I was just like, what is this

537
00:27:25,561 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: it was just a zoo, absolute zoo. And I didn't

538
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: know too much about the politics, I suppose or the

539
00:27:36,441 --> 00:27:41,481
Speaker 1: I knew the rules, the principles or yeah that's why

540
00:27:41,481 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: I yarleddy gets stuff like that. And so I mean

541
00:27:45,801 --> 00:27:47,721
Speaker 1: I was sort of out with just cracking laps in

542
00:27:47,761 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: the backyard. People were coming up saying, hello, ah, but

543
00:27:53,761 --> 00:27:55,561
Speaker 1: that's smell. A white actually said, I you know, that's

544
00:27:55,561 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: one smell. I was actually saying to my missus the

545
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: other day, we were watching the documentary on TV and

546
00:28:00,521 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: then they took the camera craw down the street ways

547
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,001
Speaker 1: of the water, and just watching it on TV, I

548
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:08,001
Speaker 1: could smell it. I could actually smell it.

549
00:28:09,001 --> 00:28:11,641
Speaker 2: Sticks with in your mouth. You will never ever like

550
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: you could. You could smoke it a mile down the

551
00:28:13,961 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 2: street and it'll just oh no, I'll be looking around

552
00:28:16,921 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 2: and it's an instant You can't explain it to people

553
00:28:20,801 --> 00:28:23,881
Speaker 2: who and it's not something you want someone to experience

554
00:28:23,921 --> 00:28:27,761
Speaker 2: because it takes you immediately back to that straight like

555
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: there's no there's no other way back to it. It

556
00:28:30,201 --> 00:28:34,441
Speaker 2: is instant hit visuals thoughts, fuck yep.

557
00:28:34,761 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: And it's like I was watching it on TV, so

558
00:28:37,721 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: it was my eyes made my nose. Smell it was,

559
00:28:41,481 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: it was just so strange. But it's not even the

560
00:28:43,761 --> 00:28:45,961
Speaker 1: smell of the smoke. It's the smell of the smoke

561
00:28:46,081 --> 00:28:49,041
Speaker 1: stained on clothes and stained in the carpets and stained

562
00:28:49,041 --> 00:28:50,521
Speaker 1: in the mattresses, and it's that that.

563
00:28:50,561 --> 00:28:54,041
Speaker 2: Yellows steen in the walls and.

564
00:28:55,241 --> 00:28:57,881
Speaker 1: As horrible, horrible bad.

565
00:28:59,041 --> 00:29:01,161
Speaker 2: You think, by us talking about it like this, you'd

566
00:29:01,161 --> 00:29:03,281
Speaker 2: never go back, hey, Like you think straight up this

567
00:29:03,361 --> 00:29:07,561
Speaker 2: would be enough to turn people off, and even even

568
00:29:07,881 --> 00:29:12,401
Speaker 2: you know, like coming into those receptions cells. It's it's

569
00:29:12,441 --> 00:29:13,881
Speaker 2: really it really.

570
00:29:13,681 --> 00:29:22,161
Speaker 1: Is it is, And in this like, yeah, I guess, yeah,

571
00:29:22,201 --> 00:29:23,921
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to explain it. It's just

572
00:29:24,321 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: for me at that stage, it was so surreal. It

573
00:29:26,761 --> 00:29:28,521
Speaker 1: was just a surreal feeling. You hear about it and

574
00:29:28,521 --> 00:29:31,241
Speaker 1: you see it, people talk about it, but to live

575
00:29:31,281 --> 00:29:34,121
Speaker 1: it is something completely different. So I guess I was

576
00:29:34,161 --> 00:29:35,601
Speaker 1: caught up in this sort of It was almost like a

577
00:29:35,641 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: honeymoon phase, you know what I mean, Like all these

578
00:29:38,521 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: stories I've heard and people are trying to explain it

579
00:29:40,761 --> 00:29:44,921
Speaker 1: to me, and hearing these stories now I'm actually here,

580
00:29:44,961 --> 00:29:49,361
Speaker 1: I'm just perceiving it firsthand. So I was caught up

581
00:29:49,401 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: in sort of that in data space. But then I

582
00:29:53,281 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: moved down to Pod ten. They moved me down to

583
00:29:56,521 --> 00:29:59,681
Speaker 1: ten Porter and that was my first my first pod,

584
00:29:59,841 --> 00:30:03,081
Speaker 1: I suppose Joe and there were some heavy hitters there

585
00:30:03,201 --> 00:30:03,601
Speaker 1: back then.

586
00:30:05,081 --> 00:30:06,441
Speaker 2: Well what what you was this, bro?

587
00:30:07,281 --> 00:30:07,681
Speaker 1: Eleven?

588
00:30:09,001 --> 00:30:09,561
Speaker 2: Oh really?

589
00:30:09,641 --> 00:30:12,401
Speaker 1: So well, God, I was doing six when you just

590
00:30:12,481 --> 00:30:14,881
Speaker 1: kicked off, and I was well into my Well that

591
00:30:14,961 --> 00:30:15,641
Speaker 1: makes me feel old.

592
00:30:16,001 --> 00:30:21,161
Speaker 5: My my min numbers two, four, four, Yeah. Yeah, that's

593
00:30:21,441 --> 00:30:22,921
Speaker 5: like there's a couple more on the end of it,

594
00:30:23,041 --> 00:30:25,521
Speaker 5: but that's enough for at all that he said, that's

595
00:30:25,561 --> 00:30:26,281
Speaker 5: how old it is.

596
00:30:26,841 --> 00:30:29,041
Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't realize, Bro, I thought when you yeah,

597
00:30:29,081 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: I actually, well, yeah I did. I'll be straight up.

598
00:30:32,041 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: I thought it might have been like six and seven.

599
00:30:34,761 --> 00:30:36,601
Speaker 2: Wha you know what I mean. I didn't realize it

600
00:30:36,641 --> 00:30:38,121
Speaker 2: was it was an eleven.

601
00:30:38,321 --> 00:30:39,641
Speaker 1: Wow, thirty two.

602
00:30:39,801 --> 00:30:44,041
Speaker 2: So that's why he's still good looking? Catch out full

603
00:30:44,081 --> 00:30:44,441
Speaker 2: catch out.

604
00:30:47,201 --> 00:30:51,841
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I mean, well up to Tempoint Medic

605
00:30:52,281 --> 00:30:55,801
Speaker 1: some good boys there, Bro, and no one that I

606
00:30:55,841 --> 00:31:00,921
Speaker 1: actually knew from around the area. Knew odds, and no

607
00:31:00,961 --> 00:31:04,841
Speaker 1: one that I knew personally at that stage. But there

608
00:31:04,841 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: was a couple of older Islander boys that had come

609
00:31:07,001 --> 00:31:10,681
Speaker 1: down from Gogin and I was just sitting on one

610
00:31:10,681 --> 00:31:13,561
Speaker 1: of the picnic tables in the backyard and one of

611
00:31:13,561 --> 00:31:15,361
Speaker 1: them came straight up to me and just grabbed me

612
00:31:15,401 --> 00:31:18,241
Speaker 1: and said, where where's yourself on our set? It's just

613
00:31:18,401 --> 00:31:20,881
Speaker 1: up there. You just go back your stuff where you're

614
00:31:20,921 --> 00:31:25,241
Speaker 1: coming with one of the boys straight away, and I said, oh, yes, well,

615
00:31:25,481 --> 00:31:27,321
Speaker 1: you know, And as we were walking, he was giving

616
00:31:27,321 --> 00:31:29,561
Speaker 1: me the rundown, and I saying, this is how we'll

617
00:31:29,601 --> 00:31:34,801
Speaker 1: do things, you know, be careful who you hang out with,

618
00:31:35,041 --> 00:31:37,361
Speaker 1: kick back with ourselves. And I had older cousins and

619
00:31:37,521 --> 00:31:40,041
Speaker 1: who have been through the system older, and they've always said,

620
00:31:40,081 --> 00:31:44,401
Speaker 1: to know, one thing good about our cultures that we

621
00:31:44,521 --> 00:31:48,521
Speaker 1: are very united, you know as well. And I guess

622
00:31:48,561 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: that's probably the same that every culture you sort of

623
00:31:50,481 --> 00:31:53,321
Speaker 1: feel like gets a little bit homely in a sense,

624
00:31:53,361 --> 00:31:55,921
Speaker 1: you know, you think, I.

625
00:31:55,881 --> 00:31:57,321
Speaker 2: Think if you can be if you can, if you

626
00:31:57,401 --> 00:32:00,921
Speaker 2: can be honest between between the poly boys and you know,

627
00:32:01,041 --> 00:32:03,601
Speaker 2: like you boys in general, and then you know your

628
00:32:04,281 --> 00:32:07,281
Speaker 2: queries and and the Lebos and the Asians, and you know,

629
00:32:07,321 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: people probably hear one hundred stories a week now on

630
00:32:09,561 --> 00:32:12,601
Speaker 2: Instagram and whatever that other TikTok thing is I don't

631
00:32:13,121 --> 00:32:15,601
Speaker 2: get on that one, but you know, everybody's got a

632
00:32:15,601 --> 00:32:17,761
Speaker 2: story to tell about how there was this and that

633
00:32:17,801 --> 00:32:22,521
Speaker 2: and the jail. But reality is yes, and funny enough.

634
00:32:23,321 --> 00:32:27,041
Speaker 2: The one culture that doesn't stand by each other and

635
00:32:27,081 --> 00:32:30,161
Speaker 2: that struggles a lot is the Aussies, the straight out

636
00:32:30,161 --> 00:32:33,801
Speaker 2: white Aussies. And I mean that with respect, but we

637
00:32:33,881 --> 00:32:36,281
Speaker 2: are weak. Is pissing the system when it comes to

638
00:32:36,321 --> 00:32:39,721
Speaker 2: sticking by our brothers, there is no support. They're all

639
00:32:39,721 --> 00:32:42,041
Speaker 2: one out. They're all about themselves, and a lot of

640
00:32:42,081 --> 00:32:45,161
Speaker 2: them are that worried and scared about everybody else and

641
00:32:45,161 --> 00:32:48,441
Speaker 2: everybody else's cultures that they won't stand by another young

642
00:32:48,521 --> 00:32:52,761
Speaker 2: brother or you won't, you know. I know for example Grafton,

643
00:32:52,801 --> 00:32:57,001
Speaker 2: the old Grafton, and I ain't say when all exact names,

644
00:32:57,041 --> 00:32:59,961
Speaker 2: but the shower is there where, bro, you didn't want it.

645
00:33:00,041 --> 00:33:02,121
Speaker 2: You had to shower, but you never wanted to go

646
00:33:02,161 --> 00:33:04,121
Speaker 2: in there. They'd be five or six of the brothers,

647
00:33:04,641 --> 00:33:08,001
Speaker 2: seven out ate out in there with the bourgeois, you

648
00:33:08,041 --> 00:33:11,241
Speaker 2: know what I mean, like doing their thing, and you'd

649
00:33:11,321 --> 00:33:15,921
Speaker 2: always see a young brother come in. They pull them in. Mate.

650
00:33:16,401 --> 00:33:18,921
Speaker 2: Within a week they're on the bud and they're doing

651
00:33:18,961 --> 00:33:21,721
Speaker 2: this and like it was sad. It was really really sad.

652
00:33:22,201 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: But then at the same time too, you know what

653
00:33:24,001 --> 00:33:26,681
Speaker 2: I mean, it didn't matter what kicked off, they always stuck,

654
00:33:26,841 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: stuck by each other to the very end. And you know,

655
00:33:29,601 --> 00:33:32,841
Speaker 2: then you'd see, I'll mate one out, two out, try

656
00:33:32,881 --> 00:33:34,921
Speaker 2: and have a shower on that next minute they're getting hassled,

657
00:33:34,961 --> 00:33:37,161
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, for what packet of ox

658
00:33:37,321 --> 00:33:40,641
Speaker 2: or you know, like something, you know what I mean, Panada,

659
00:33:40,641 --> 00:33:42,601
Speaker 2: I'll off the fucking pill. Shoot, you know what I mean,

660
00:33:42,641 --> 00:33:48,641
Speaker 2: my pathetic shit. It's it's a very different world when

661
00:33:48,681 --> 00:33:50,281
Speaker 2: you walk in there, and for you to be so

662
00:33:50,441 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: young and to be brought under the wing of the

663
00:33:53,241 --> 00:33:56,801
Speaker 2: boys straight away, it would be a good feeling at

664
00:33:56,841 --> 00:33:58,841
Speaker 2: the same time as it would be like hang on

665
00:33:58,881 --> 00:34:03,001
Speaker 2: a seci then I am, I am I thinking what's

666
00:34:03,041 --> 00:34:05,241
Speaker 2: the ulterior motive? Is there a bit of paranoi where

667
00:34:05,401 --> 00:34:07,121
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Or are you instantly sort

668
00:34:07,121 --> 00:34:09,321
Speaker 2: of comfortable that on our sweet I'm kicking up with

669
00:34:09,361 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: the boys. This is obviously how we roll. How was

670
00:34:12,481 --> 00:34:14,681
Speaker 2: your head dea made for me?

671
00:34:14,761 --> 00:34:17,001
Speaker 1: I sort of because I knew I already had that,

672
00:34:17,281 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: you know, understanding that this is how the boys are

673
00:34:19,521 --> 00:34:21,561
Speaker 1: usually the boys stick together. So I said, oh, this

674
00:34:21,601 --> 00:34:23,281
Speaker 1: is just it. This is the boys grabbing me saying,

675
00:34:23,681 --> 00:34:26,401
Speaker 1: come on, brace this, you know, we're together. Yeah, So

676
00:34:26,681 --> 00:34:30,361
Speaker 1: I thought it was. I was almost you know, expecting

677
00:34:30,361 --> 00:34:32,561
Speaker 1: it in a sense for that to happen. Had that

678
00:34:32,561 --> 00:34:34,201
Speaker 1: not happened, I would have been a bit waging out

679
00:34:34,241 --> 00:34:34,961
Speaker 1: to be saying, was.

680
00:34:34,961 --> 00:34:37,881
Speaker 2: No one coming up to me, you know, well standing office?

681
00:34:38,041 --> 00:34:41,161
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a little bit A good point. Yeah, And

682
00:34:41,201 --> 00:34:45,321
Speaker 1: I mean it was sort of you know, so it

683
00:34:45,401 --> 00:34:48,881
Speaker 1: was so stereotypical in the sense of not stereotypical, but

684
00:34:49,001 --> 00:34:53,161
Speaker 1: so obvious. You know, like someone would come up there,

685
00:34:53,401 --> 00:34:57,161
Speaker 1: let's see my matanu and that's all yah lander and

686
00:34:57,881 --> 00:35:00,561
Speaker 1: so yeah that all your farm robberies. Yeah, it was

687
00:35:00,561 --> 00:35:02,681
Speaker 1: sort of everything was just so obvious, you know, like

688
00:35:02,721 --> 00:35:05,481
Speaker 1: it was very scripted, the whole how it goes. There

689
00:35:05,521 --> 00:35:07,721
Speaker 1: was no variety. It is what it is, instructured, you

690
00:35:07,761 --> 00:35:09,361
Speaker 1: know what I mean. You come in, you get the people,

691
00:35:09,441 --> 00:35:11,841
Speaker 1: they know ninety percent are in for the same thing

692
00:35:13,561 --> 00:35:16,161
Speaker 1: we're training. So I was just I just sort of

693
00:35:16,201 --> 00:35:17,681
Speaker 1: it was like a template. I just feel I was

694
00:35:17,721 --> 00:35:20,921
Speaker 1: just another feeling the blanks and like just so that

695
00:35:20,921 --> 00:35:22,641
Speaker 1: that happened. They grabbed me and pulled me in the

696
00:35:22,681 --> 00:35:28,081
Speaker 1: cell and it's next stage started training, but same thing, Wellow,

697
00:35:28,321 --> 00:35:30,681
Speaker 1: Bathist wherever I went in that that first leg, and

698
00:35:30,841 --> 00:35:33,441
Speaker 1: it was the boys were always. I remember I got

699
00:35:33,441 --> 00:35:34,881
Speaker 1: to Wellow and I was with a couple of good

700
00:35:34,881 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: boys put in the wing and I was actually putting

701
00:35:37,001 --> 00:35:39,121
Speaker 1: one. One with that grabbed me to another one where the

702
00:35:39,121 --> 00:35:43,201
Speaker 1: sort of city boys were and I remember one of

703
00:35:43,201 --> 00:35:45,521
Speaker 1: the boys I was looking for for someone at the time.

704
00:35:45,521 --> 00:35:49,041
Speaker 1: I said, oh, where's old Bud and goes, I think

705
00:35:49,081 --> 00:35:53,761
Speaker 1: he's busy, you know, And I realized after I speaking

706
00:35:53,761 --> 00:35:55,681
Speaker 1: to him, I said, how come everyone words for me, bro,

707
00:35:55,841 --> 00:35:57,961
Speaker 1: like what it was disappearing, you know, And they're like,

708
00:35:58,681 --> 00:36:01,041
Speaker 1: have I done something wrong to the boys? Or yeah?

709
00:36:01,081 --> 00:36:02,481
Speaker 2: You see, it's because.

710
00:36:02,361 --> 00:36:03,841
Speaker 1: You're not you're not. You don't chop in and the

711
00:36:03,841 --> 00:36:06,921
Speaker 1: boys don't want you getting involved. And that was that

712
00:36:08,001 --> 00:36:10,001
Speaker 1: is That's how my mind was so shape off. That's

713
00:36:10,041 --> 00:36:11,401
Speaker 1: how good the boys were back then.

714
00:36:11,721 --> 00:36:14,041
Speaker 2: Can we just exp just pull that up for a second,

715
00:36:14,081 --> 00:36:16,281
Speaker 2: brother and explain that because a lot of people won't

716
00:36:16,401 --> 00:36:20,121
Speaker 2: understand what you just said, right, it's a very simple

717
00:36:20,121 --> 00:36:25,041
Speaker 2: word chopping. Yeah, like Okay, So just to simplify things

718
00:36:25,041 --> 00:36:28,361
Speaker 2: out there, at this period of time, let's just say

719
00:36:28,641 --> 00:36:31,761
Speaker 2: nine through to twelve, it was a very volatile time,

720
00:36:32,041 --> 00:36:33,921
Speaker 2: and then even before that, but there was a bit

721
00:36:33,961 --> 00:36:36,161
Speaker 2: of a gap and then it kicked off again, and

722
00:36:36,201 --> 00:36:38,441
Speaker 2: then there was a lot of dramas between the jails

723
00:36:38,481 --> 00:36:42,561
Speaker 2: and a lot of things going on. You found that

724
00:36:43,961 --> 00:36:46,721
Speaker 2: what the remissions. They used to call it the kickback,

725
00:36:46,761 --> 00:36:49,201
Speaker 2: the remissions. I'm just having a bit of remissions. I'm

726
00:36:49,241 --> 00:36:51,881
Speaker 2: just just kicking back, you know what i mean. And

727
00:36:52,041 --> 00:36:55,961
Speaker 2: the reality is that were chopping in, you know, and

728
00:36:56,161 --> 00:36:58,801
Speaker 2: if you didn't chop in, you half probe felt like

729
00:36:59,361 --> 00:37:02,001
Speaker 2: you were on the sidelines because no one would talk

730
00:37:02,041 --> 00:37:05,201
Speaker 2: around young, no one would do anything around you, which

731
00:37:05,241 --> 00:37:07,361
Speaker 2: is what generally happens to people that are either no

732
00:37:07,481 --> 00:37:09,681
Speaker 2: good or done wrong. What people say. Start to sort

733
00:37:09,681 --> 00:37:15,081
Speaker 2: of thing, what's going on here? And yeah, so yeah,

734
00:37:15,321 --> 00:37:18,361
Speaker 2: elaborate a little bit more NOLG for people.

735
00:37:18,641 --> 00:37:21,841
Speaker 1: You know, they were obviously getting on you know, doing

736
00:37:21,881 --> 00:37:22,521
Speaker 1: their thing, you know.

737
00:37:23,201 --> 00:37:26,361
Speaker 2: Doing their thing, open whatever else they can get in there,

738
00:37:26,841 --> 00:37:27,561
Speaker 2: whatever else.

739
00:37:27,641 --> 00:37:30,321
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, you know, I'm blessed like that was

740
00:37:30,361 --> 00:37:33,521
Speaker 1: just I had absolutely no interesting about to be honest, like,

741
00:37:33,761 --> 00:37:35,801
Speaker 1: I couldn't care if the Queen of Ingland was in

742
00:37:35,841 --> 00:37:37,641
Speaker 1: the room, I wouldn't want to be in there. Like

743
00:37:37,721 --> 00:37:41,081
Speaker 1: it just and I was. I grew up around heaps

744
00:37:41,081 --> 00:37:43,921
Speaker 1: of different things, different people. We moved around different school

745
00:37:43,921 --> 00:37:47,281
Speaker 1: with different ethnicity groups. I never judged anyone, bro, I

746
00:37:47,401 --> 00:37:50,961
Speaker 1: never ever judged a single person for anything. So I

747
00:37:51,241 --> 00:37:54,281
Speaker 1: seriously couldn't care who was doing what with who. It

748
00:37:54,281 --> 00:37:58,721
Speaker 1: didn't bother me bro in the shouters, you know so,

749
00:37:59,441 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: but for me personally, I was just like I felt

750
00:38:01,481 --> 00:38:05,361
Speaker 1: a bit left out at times, you know. And and

751
00:38:05,401 --> 00:38:07,761
Speaker 1: I had one of the older Asian boys was Marcelli

752
00:38:07,841 --> 00:38:11,321
Speaker 1: and he sort of took me if took me for

753
00:38:11,321 --> 00:38:12,761
Speaker 1: a walk. I think one of the boys must have

754
00:38:12,801 --> 00:38:14,241
Speaker 1: said something to him that I was a bit you know,

755
00:38:15,201 --> 00:38:18,881
Speaker 1: still young, you know, spa, where's all my friends? And

756
00:38:18,921 --> 00:38:21,641
Speaker 1: he said, bro, listen, you know you your you're good kid,

757
00:38:21,961 --> 00:38:25,841
Speaker 1: you know your staunch, get your head on. You know

758
00:38:25,881 --> 00:38:27,481
Speaker 1: a lot of us, a lot of the boys been

759
00:38:27,481 --> 00:38:31,281
Speaker 1: in jail a long time. We're all still That's just

760
00:38:31,361 --> 00:38:32,161
Speaker 1: I think this is.

761
00:38:32,161 --> 00:38:35,281
Speaker 2: Just don't tell it, Joe, let's see it.

762
00:38:35,521 --> 00:38:37,681
Speaker 1: And they said, they said, had you said yeah, yeah,

763
00:38:37,681 --> 00:38:40,121
Speaker 1: that you you know you do this and you do that.

764
00:38:40,161 --> 00:38:42,201
Speaker 1: We would have pulled you with us, no problem, But

765
00:38:42,281 --> 00:38:44,001
Speaker 1: because you said no, we don't want to be the

766
00:38:44,001 --> 00:38:46,041
Speaker 1: ones to introduce you to a bad trap, put you

767
00:38:46,081 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: down a bad like we did back in the day.

768
00:38:48,761 --> 00:38:51,241
Speaker 1: You know, we came in hard times. Boys said here, brother,

769
00:38:51,281 --> 00:38:52,681
Speaker 1: this is what's going to make it, you know, whatever

770
00:38:52,721 --> 00:38:54,641
Speaker 1: it is bit faster or easier, whatever it may be.

771
00:38:55,361 --> 00:38:57,641
Speaker 1: And they said straight away he said straight out to me, goes,

772
00:38:57,681 --> 00:38:59,241
Speaker 1: I don't want to be the one or we don't

773
00:38:59,241 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: want to be the ones to ruin your life.

774
00:39:01,481 --> 00:39:04,761
Speaker 2: Bro. You know so I respect that, bro, because as

775
00:39:04,801 --> 00:39:06,961
Speaker 2: he man you like I just said, I've seen it

776
00:39:07,001 --> 00:39:10,681
Speaker 2: with my own eyes. I've seen certain crews grab their

777
00:39:10,721 --> 00:39:13,601
Speaker 2: own kind that were young, young offenders so to speak.

778
00:39:13,601 --> 00:39:15,481
Speaker 2: Because you are a young offender, you're under twenty one

779
00:39:15,481 --> 00:39:19,441
Speaker 2: at that age, and all of a sudden, you become

780
00:39:19,761 --> 00:39:23,041
Speaker 2: very vulnerable. And I always say that everybody doesn't matter

781
00:39:23,041 --> 00:39:24,641
Speaker 2: who you are. It doesn't matter how much money you got,

782
00:39:24,641 --> 00:39:29,801
Speaker 2: doesn't matter who you are outside. Inside, bro, everyone's vulnerable, yeah,

783
00:39:29,841 --> 00:39:34,881
Speaker 2: and you cannot hide from it. So you know, like

784
00:39:34,961 --> 00:39:36,481
Speaker 2: if you've got a crew coming up to you and

785
00:39:36,521 --> 00:39:39,601
Speaker 2: they're sort of like you're saying, you know, like you said, yes,

786
00:39:40,321 --> 00:39:44,361
Speaker 2: chopping this or that, bright next minute, you're in the mix.

787
00:39:45,481 --> 00:39:48,081
Speaker 2: But it ain't a good mix to being, especially when

788
00:39:48,121 --> 00:39:53,881
Speaker 2: it dries up. Yeah, of course, or someone knows something

789
00:39:53,961 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: or their money didn't go through or buy I didn't

790
00:39:56,041 --> 00:39:59,841
Speaker 2: turn up or something. Yeah, oh yeah, it's a bad day.

791
00:40:00,641 --> 00:40:05,001
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely definitely is for everyone involved the life.

792
00:40:05,161 --> 00:40:05,761
Speaker 2: Everyone.

793
00:40:06,481 --> 00:40:08,801
Speaker 1: But I mean that like that that moment just said

794
00:40:08,841 --> 00:40:11,001
Speaker 1: to me, you know that this it just reiterated the

795
00:40:11,001 --> 00:40:13,521
Speaker 1: fact why I don't judge people, but because this is

796
00:40:13,561 --> 00:40:16,881
Speaker 1: a full time heavy drug user. To say something like

797
00:40:16,921 --> 00:40:20,921
Speaker 1: that to me like that, that's you know, and insight

798
00:40:20,961 --> 00:40:24,201
Speaker 1: into the person he is that they are you know that,

799
00:40:24,521 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, I just yeah, it's it was just good

800
00:40:29,961 --> 00:40:32,361
Speaker 1: to see. That's that's that's the human side of things,

801
00:40:32,401 --> 00:40:33,601
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like this guy is still

802
00:40:33,801 --> 00:40:38,641
Speaker 1: whatever he's yeah, for sure, one hundred percent and this

803
00:40:38,721 --> 00:40:41,161
Speaker 1: day and age, forget it, that is not ever going

804
00:40:41,201 --> 00:40:45,681
Speaker 1: to happen ever again. Ever, what so for me to

805
00:40:45,721 --> 00:40:47,921
Speaker 1: have those sort of boys scool me through the system,

806
00:40:47,921 --> 00:40:50,241
Speaker 1: I guess that's sort of also there's a good side

807
00:40:50,281 --> 00:40:51,801
Speaker 1: in a bad sort I guess the bad side was

808
00:40:51,801 --> 00:40:57,161
Speaker 1: that these boys was such big, big boys and proper

809
00:40:57,241 --> 00:41:01,881
Speaker 1: boys and proper girl heads that they sort of educated

810
00:41:01,921 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: me a little bit more in the game too.

811
00:41:04,521 --> 00:41:06,601
Speaker 2: And I think the biggest thing is too, brother, is

812
00:41:07,001 --> 00:41:08,881
Speaker 2: you come and looking healthy, so you're not coming off

813
00:41:08,921 --> 00:41:12,361
Speaker 2: the streets hanging out. So there's a green light for you,

814
00:41:12,481 --> 00:41:14,361
Speaker 2: not a red light for them to say, he's another

815
00:41:14,441 --> 00:41:16,441
Speaker 2: lad that's going to come under our wing because we

816
00:41:16,561 --> 00:41:17,921
Speaker 2: know that we can, you know what I mean, make

817
00:41:18,001 --> 00:41:21,561
Speaker 2: moves with him. And then you're training, which is a

818
00:41:21,561 --> 00:41:25,161
Speaker 2: big thing for people that don't understand that if you

819
00:41:25,161 --> 00:41:27,681
Speaker 2: can mind your own business, stay out of politics and

820
00:41:27,801 --> 00:41:30,241
Speaker 2: just train and get a job or do you jarle

821
00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:33,161
Speaker 2: in that manner, you're not going to have a lot

822
00:41:33,161 --> 00:41:35,241
Speaker 2: of drama unless you've got bad blood coming in off

823
00:41:35,241 --> 00:41:37,881
Speaker 2: the street or got something against you that they want

824
00:41:37,881 --> 00:41:40,721
Speaker 2: to try and stir it up. These days, I don't

825
00:41:40,721 --> 00:41:42,921
Speaker 2: even think you know, back in the day, if you

826
00:41:43,041 --> 00:41:45,321
Speaker 2: said that it was no good and you didn't produce paperwork,

827
00:41:45,361 --> 00:41:47,241
Speaker 2: then you're the one that actually got chopped, you know.

828
00:41:47,561 --> 00:41:50,601
Speaker 2: And like these days, the amount of people that get

829
00:41:50,641 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: put on the no good and have done nothing wrong though,

830
00:41:52,601 --> 00:41:56,281
Speaker 2: and it is just purely to manipulate a situation. Or

831
00:41:56,321 --> 00:41:58,321
Speaker 2: the boys see lad come in and they know that

832
00:41:58,361 --> 00:42:01,241
Speaker 2: he's going to be okay because he's a good bloke

833
00:42:01,321 --> 00:42:03,321
Speaker 2: on the outside. People know him about for him. But

834
00:42:03,321 --> 00:42:05,961
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, I know him needed this

835
00:42:06,041 --> 00:42:09,041
Speaker 2: and he's done that or hasn't. It just puts that

836
00:42:09,041 --> 00:42:11,881
Speaker 2: cloud struck. Then you've got to defend yourself over what

837
00:42:12,121 --> 00:42:17,401
Speaker 2: over nothing? Yep, you know. And unfortunately this is where

838
00:42:17,561 --> 00:42:20,121
Speaker 2: a lot of our young people don't see that side

839
00:42:20,121 --> 00:42:22,321
Speaker 2: of it. I'll think it's made like these two lads

840
00:42:22,321 --> 00:42:24,361
Speaker 2: getting pinched the other day down there, you know, for

841
00:42:24,481 --> 00:42:28,001
Speaker 2: these ones, if their lives are gone, you're doing then

842
00:42:28,641 --> 00:42:32,041
Speaker 2: the public street, public place, mate people, they're going to

843
00:42:32,161 --> 00:42:34,641
Speaker 2: get a massive whack straight off the back. One was

844
00:42:34,801 --> 00:42:38,281
Speaker 2: nineteen or something, eight nineteen and the other one twenty

845
00:42:39,241 --> 00:42:41,921
Speaker 2: one sife corn and two lives, and I'm sure there'll

846
00:42:41,921 --> 00:42:44,521
Speaker 2: be many more. They're gone, brother, and no one's going

847
00:42:44,601 --> 00:42:47,161
Speaker 2: to give a flying rats ask who you are. They

848
00:42:47,201 --> 00:42:49,161
Speaker 2: ain't going to make you walk through the yard and

849
00:42:49,161 --> 00:42:51,121
Speaker 2: everyone's going to step aside because you just got pinched

850
00:42:51,121 --> 00:42:52,521
Speaker 2: on a drive by were shooting.

851
00:42:52,721 --> 00:42:54,121
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.

852
00:42:54,161 --> 00:42:57,121
Speaker 2: That's not going to change what's going to happen in there.

853
00:42:58,001 --> 00:43:01,521
Speaker 1: It's all changed, bro, It's you know, and it just

854
00:43:01,561 --> 00:43:05,721
Speaker 1: I guess it sort of reflects inside, reflects outside vice versa.

855
00:43:05,801 --> 00:43:08,281
Speaker 1: You know, like if you were coming in back then

856
00:43:09,241 --> 00:43:11,881
Speaker 1: for those sort of things, then yeah, maybe maybe there's

857
00:43:11,921 --> 00:43:15,801
Speaker 1: a little bit of that street yeah, because it wasn't

858
00:43:15,801 --> 00:43:18,761
Speaker 1: so common and you know, you were obviously volving with

859
00:43:18,801 --> 00:43:20,601
Speaker 1: some heavy people if you get involved in some heavy

860
00:43:20,601 --> 00:43:23,361
Speaker 1: business like that, so it was. Now it's sort of

861
00:43:23,481 --> 00:43:27,401
Speaker 1: just like over the last fifteen years, the what the

862
00:43:27,481 --> 00:43:32,121
Speaker 1: decline in that lifestyle, like everything just going downhill inside

863
00:43:32,241 --> 00:43:34,841
Speaker 1: over the last fifteen years has just been absolutely year

864
00:43:34,881 --> 00:43:37,161
Speaker 1: by year literally, Yeah, I could see here and just

865
00:43:38,201 --> 00:43:41,001
Speaker 1: literally year by year how it just went down and

866
00:43:41,041 --> 00:43:45,881
Speaker 1: down and down and down and down, like disgustingly disgusting down.

867
00:43:46,921 --> 00:43:49,561
Speaker 2: You as a young person. I want to ask this

868
00:43:49,681 --> 00:43:52,041
Speaker 2: because I think it's very important to our younger listeners.

869
00:43:52,041 --> 00:43:55,761
Speaker 2: Once again, you as a young man, you're not stupid.

870
00:43:55,801 --> 00:43:57,561
Speaker 2: So there's one thing. You know, a lot of a

871
00:43:57,601 --> 00:44:01,961
Speaker 2: lot of young people going naive. They're not street I

872
00:44:02,001 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: guess I'm not street smart really. They'd like to think

873
00:44:07,001 --> 00:44:10,921
Speaker 2: so out here, but it's it's it's you cannot compare it.

874
00:44:11,881 --> 00:44:16,281
Speaker 2: You have managed to stay out of the politics of

875
00:44:16,321 --> 00:44:19,841
Speaker 2: the gear and this and that. Therefore you're in your training.

876
00:44:20,001 --> 00:44:22,281
Speaker 2: People are obviously noticing you. You're not a small man.

877
00:44:24,321 --> 00:44:26,641
Speaker 2: How was the journey moving in? You know, like, let's

878
00:44:26,681 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: talk about a year or two on. You've been class oded,

879
00:44:29,521 --> 00:44:32,841
Speaker 2: you've been sentenced, you know what you're doing. Yeah, how

880
00:44:33,081 --> 00:44:35,361
Speaker 2: was that process? Because once again that's a whole different

881
00:44:35,401 --> 00:44:36,041
Speaker 2: walk of john.

882
00:44:37,241 --> 00:44:45,641
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean yeah, so I that all happened,

883
00:44:45,681 --> 00:44:48,801
Speaker 1: and I mean yeah, I had made some good friendships

884
00:44:49,281 --> 00:44:52,081
Speaker 1: with some proper boys, and I guess you know how

885
00:44:52,121 --> 00:44:53,761
Speaker 1: it is. It's a small world. You've asked for someone,

886
00:44:53,801 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: You've asked for some of your name circles. Someone says

887
00:44:56,201 --> 00:44:57,841
Speaker 1: when you get down there, tell him, you know, send

888
00:44:57,881 --> 00:44:59,401
Speaker 1: him my love or send him up my little brothers

889
00:44:59,441 --> 00:45:01,361
Speaker 1: and through put him into wind with views or whatever.

890
00:45:01,441 --> 00:45:04,121
Speaker 1: So I end up getting classer to batist as a

891
00:45:04,161 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: bee and heaps of city boys there at the time.

892
00:45:07,521 --> 00:45:13,521
Speaker 1: He so straight in, you know, had it was with

893
00:45:13,561 --> 00:45:14,921
Speaker 1: one of the boisons on the truck for a couple

894
00:45:14,961 --> 00:45:20,761
Speaker 1: of nights. Good guy, and he's I'm a pretty pretty

895
00:45:20,761 --> 00:45:24,681
Speaker 1: strong Christian in faith, so grew up like I'd always

896
00:45:24,721 --> 00:45:27,001
Speaker 1: been for you in the church. So he was a

897
00:45:27,721 --> 00:45:30,881
Speaker 1: he was a Christian lebo bloke, so he was praying.

898
00:45:31,001 --> 00:45:32,561
Speaker 1: You know. It was his first time in He was

899
00:45:32,601 --> 00:45:35,121
Speaker 1: older than me, but we were in Bafast. That was

900
00:45:35,161 --> 00:45:38,201
Speaker 1: my first time in Bathist and I've alviously heard about it,

901
00:45:38,241 --> 00:45:39,961
Speaker 1: you know, I think at this stage I was twenty

902
00:45:40,961 --> 00:45:43,601
Speaker 1: and yeah, I didn't know who was there. You know,

903
00:45:43,601 --> 00:45:45,361
Speaker 1: when you get there, get off the truck brand you

904
00:45:45,361 --> 00:45:47,081
Speaker 1: get there, boys and look and you see eyes through.

905
00:45:46,921 --> 00:45:50,001
Speaker 2: The holes and what's what's the reception when when you

906
00:45:50,041 --> 00:45:51,881
Speaker 2: come into the circle and then you've got the two

907
00:45:51,921 --> 00:45:54,161
Speaker 2: wings split and you've got like the baseball yard, the

908
00:45:54,201 --> 00:45:56,241
Speaker 2: diamond yard, you know, and it's got segro in the

909
00:45:56,241 --> 00:45:58,081
Speaker 2: back of it, and you can say to the voice

910
00:45:58,081 --> 00:46:00,361
Speaker 2: in segra at the very back of the yard. Yeah,

911
00:46:00,401 --> 00:46:01,801
Speaker 2: so when you finish, it was here and that was

912
00:46:01,841 --> 00:46:03,721
Speaker 2: like the right yard. It's like the oldest wing there

913
00:46:03,841 --> 00:46:04,201
Speaker 2: or something.

914
00:46:04,201 --> 00:46:07,081
Speaker 1: You see one one too, Yeah.

915
00:46:07,761 --> 00:46:13,121
Speaker 2: Little doorways bro out there and yeah, so I was

916
00:46:13,641 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: in C one too.

917
00:46:14,881 --> 00:46:18,161
Speaker 1: It's a reception wing. And then yeah, next day walked

918
00:46:18,161 --> 00:46:21,201
Speaker 1: out and hates the boys were there and I ended

919
00:46:21,281 --> 00:46:25,161
Speaker 1: up getting one of them boys was head sleep there,

920
00:46:25,201 --> 00:46:26,721
Speaker 1: so I ended up getting put on the sweep but

921
00:46:26,801 --> 00:46:30,841
Speaker 1: pretty straight away, which was good. And oh well, yeah,

922
00:46:30,881 --> 00:46:33,601
Speaker 1: like you know, like you know what it's I'm probably

923
00:46:35,361 --> 00:46:37,121
Speaker 1: it's I say this to a lot of people, but

924
00:46:38,761 --> 00:46:42,521
Speaker 1: the lessons that I've learned, I'm going to be much

925
00:46:42,721 --> 00:46:45,441
Speaker 1: more deterring for people on that path than my story

926
00:46:45,481 --> 00:46:48,161
Speaker 1: because I'm actually super blessed that God blessed me. I

927
00:46:49,121 --> 00:46:53,881
Speaker 1: had a really breezy many years in jail, like like

928
00:46:54,161 --> 00:46:56,001
Speaker 1: I honestly did, and it's a blessing because I could

929
00:46:56,001 --> 00:46:58,561
Speaker 1: have had a really really really tough tough times, you know,

930
00:46:59,201 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: over a decade of hard, really tough times, and I think,

931
00:47:02,121 --> 00:47:03,721
Speaker 1: you know, I just said that was always good looking

932
00:47:03,721 --> 00:47:06,121
Speaker 1: out for me. Things worked out well for me. I

933
00:47:06,121 --> 00:47:08,321
Speaker 1: mean I had hardships. I did, years and years in Zegro,

934
00:47:08,441 --> 00:47:11,321
Speaker 1: you know, I had, I had some serious hardships. But

935
00:47:11,721 --> 00:47:13,521
Speaker 1: in terms of things like that, you know, you go

936
00:47:13,561 --> 00:47:16,201
Speaker 1: to a new jail Baptist, you're young, you hear the stories.

937
00:47:16,201 --> 00:47:18,001
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to be blawing it up. First day,

938
00:47:18,001 --> 00:47:19,561
Speaker 1: I'm walking ounder the yard and it's on. Someone's going

939
00:47:19,601 --> 00:47:21,561
Speaker 1: to try and grab my assis. There's something I've worn

940
00:47:21,641 --> 00:47:24,081
Speaker 1: down from Willow and it's on. No one's taking my shoes,

941
00:47:24,601 --> 00:47:27,681
Speaker 1: so you know, I'm ready to walk out. And I

942
00:47:27,721 --> 00:47:30,081
Speaker 1: always had a thing that I was always told, you know,

943
00:47:31,161 --> 00:47:32,801
Speaker 1: you be up and your shoes on before the screw's

944
00:47:32,801 --> 00:47:36,721
Speaker 1: first tad from door. Yeah, my shoes on strap before

945
00:47:36,761 --> 00:47:39,521
Speaker 1: they opening that door. No one would ever catch me

946
00:47:39,521 --> 00:47:42,881
Speaker 1: slipping ever. So I mean, you know, that was.

947
00:47:42,841 --> 00:47:46,001
Speaker 2: The little thing say. But that's so valuable. That is

948
00:47:46,041 --> 00:47:49,481
Speaker 2: so valuable. Now people are going to go, what what why?

949
00:47:50,441 --> 00:47:53,961
Speaker 2: And seriously, the bottom line is you want your shoes

950
00:47:54,001 --> 00:47:55,401
Speaker 2: on because you want to be able to spread straight

951
00:47:55,481 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: up on your feet straight in the moment someone going

952
00:47:57,521 --> 00:48:00,401
Speaker 2: straight into that cell. There is no there's nothing, there's

953
00:48:00,441 --> 00:48:02,321
Speaker 2: nothing else you just as long as you've got your

954
00:48:02,321 --> 00:48:05,401
Speaker 2: shoes on. It's a funny thing to people that wouldn't

955
00:48:05,481 --> 00:48:10,921
Speaker 2: understand it. It's it's almost like you're awake, you're up,

956
00:48:10,961 --> 00:48:12,761
Speaker 2: you're fresh and clean, you're ready to go, You've got

957
00:48:12,761 --> 00:48:15,641
Speaker 2: your greens on whatever. Yeah, like yeah.

958
00:48:15,521 --> 00:48:18,161
Speaker 1: Actually there was things were happened in the yard, and

959
00:48:19,441 --> 00:48:21,841
Speaker 1: yeah there was there was. There was years then and

960
00:48:22,041 --> 00:48:24,241
Speaker 1: scenarios going on over some of these we were sleeping

961
00:48:24,241 --> 00:48:27,681
Speaker 1: with shoes on, you know, just just the squad would

962
00:48:27,721 --> 00:48:32,601
Speaker 1: running one yeah, yeah, away, put you on the trushery. Yeah,

963
00:48:32,761 --> 00:48:35,601
Speaker 1: like if there was a bit of potential riots or like,

964
00:48:36,161 --> 00:48:37,921
Speaker 1: you know, anything like that that was happening in the yard,

965
00:48:37,921 --> 00:48:39,801
Speaker 1: and we were sleeping with shoes on just in case

966
00:48:40,161 --> 00:48:41,961
Speaker 1: they wanted to know, bundle in, ate out us in the

967
00:48:41,921 --> 00:48:42,521
Speaker 1: middle of the night.

968
00:48:42,961 --> 00:48:45,081
Speaker 2: They did that. It was at four o'clock in the morning,

969
00:48:45,201 --> 00:48:48,001
Speaker 2: three thirty four o'clock in the morning, graft and in

970
00:48:48,041 --> 00:48:51,361
Speaker 2: the main there and then come in squad come from everywhere.

971
00:48:51,401 --> 00:48:53,801
Speaker 2: They shut the jail down and they just put us

972
00:48:53,841 --> 00:48:56,161
Speaker 2: all on the truck. No possessions stayed enough. We've got

973
00:48:56,161 --> 00:48:58,121
Speaker 2: heads up from the sweepers. Something was going to go,

974
00:48:58,241 --> 00:49:00,761
Speaker 2: and we had to be ready. I won't say that

975
00:49:00,761 --> 00:49:03,361
Speaker 2: we'll sleeping with our shoes on, because I didn't. But

976
00:49:04,241 --> 00:49:06,041
Speaker 2: everything was ready to go, you know what I mean.

977
00:49:06,121 --> 00:49:07,601
Speaker 2: And next minute you could hear them, you could hear

978
00:49:07,641 --> 00:49:09,881
Speaker 2: them cracking doors. Next minute the boys going off, and

979
00:49:09,961 --> 00:49:12,841
Speaker 2: what the fuck's going on? Because naturally who cracks the

980
00:49:12,841 --> 00:49:14,321
Speaker 2: door at that time in the morning. Nles, you're getting

981
00:49:14,401 --> 00:49:17,681
Speaker 2: ramped hard. Yeah, someone's get someone's getting just shang no,

982
00:49:17,921 --> 00:49:21,561
Speaker 2: straight out of it. And the thing was, we knew

983
00:49:21,561 --> 00:49:23,641
Speaker 2: that Joe was shutting down, but day obviously for security

984
00:49:23,681 --> 00:49:26,601
Speaker 2: wouldn't give us a day time or anything. Next minute,

985
00:49:26,641 --> 00:49:29,081
Speaker 2: bom Bro, you had what you had, you had your

986
00:49:29,081 --> 00:49:31,681
Speaker 2: shoes on. You didn't. It was too bad. Your property

987
00:49:31,801 --> 00:49:34,281
Speaker 2: wasn't packed, nothing was there. You were just batting, cuffed

988
00:49:34,281 --> 00:49:37,481
Speaker 2: and on a truck. Yeah, and it can happen that quick,

989
00:49:38,321 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: straight down the silver Water.

990
00:49:40,401 --> 00:49:42,161
Speaker 1: Everything out of your control. Bo. So, I mean that's

991
00:49:42,161 --> 00:49:44,361
Speaker 1: not even today, the way I am these days, things

992
00:49:44,401 --> 00:49:46,721
Speaker 1: like that, and not even that, not even I didn't

993
00:49:46,801 --> 00:49:49,081
Speaker 1: have my shoes on every morning for the for the

994
00:49:49,081 --> 00:49:50,881
Speaker 1: fact of someone running in. I got to be ready.

995
00:49:50,921 --> 00:49:53,761
Speaker 1: But I didn't everyonet screws to see me with slipping

996
00:49:53,801 --> 00:49:56,321
Speaker 1: my eye, messy hair, because I represented myself in there,

997
00:49:56,321 --> 00:49:58,641
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So when the screw craps

998
00:49:58,641 --> 00:50:01,121
Speaker 1: the doorhead check, I'm standing there ready, teeth brushed, hair

999
00:50:01,441 --> 00:50:04,281
Speaker 1: face washed, stead of clothes on. I'm not going to

1000
00:50:04,321 --> 00:50:06,161
Speaker 1: wait for you tell me to get up. You I

1001
00:50:06,241 --> 00:50:08,161
Speaker 1: run my own race. I wake up of my time,

1002
00:50:08,201 --> 00:50:10,681
Speaker 1: I prepare myself for my day. You just open the door.

1003
00:50:11,441 --> 00:50:14,121
Speaker 1: You know a lot of boys they rely on the times,

1004
00:50:14,161 --> 00:50:16,521
Speaker 1: and I tried to keep as much in control of

1005
00:50:16,521 --> 00:50:18,281
Speaker 1: what I could control, and that's the way I thought

1006
00:50:18,281 --> 00:50:21,601
Speaker 1: I did my job. So just just having the shoes on,

1007
00:50:21,721 --> 00:50:24,561
Speaker 1: being dressed, be presentable for myself as a you know,

1008
00:50:24,881 --> 00:50:26,921
Speaker 1: represent yourself. I've been good, though, So.

1009
00:50:26,961 --> 00:50:29,041
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that for a sec. It's a valuable

1010
00:50:29,081 --> 00:50:32,121
Speaker 2: little bit of information you've given their in mindset, and

1011
00:50:32,161 --> 00:50:34,081
Speaker 2: I think that you know it's valid whether you're in

1012
00:50:34,161 --> 00:50:36,241
Speaker 2: or out. I think the fact that if you can

1013
00:50:36,321 --> 00:50:39,321
Speaker 2: keep that mindset in everyday life. For me, I'd like

1014
00:50:39,361 --> 00:50:40,881
Speaker 2: to get up at full thirty in the morning, and

1015
00:50:40,961 --> 00:50:42,561
Speaker 2: you know, like I have in some yes, so I

1016
00:50:42,561 --> 00:50:46,001
Speaker 2: don't sleep well, but I'll get out and when I'm

1017
00:50:46,001 --> 00:50:48,761
Speaker 2: not injured, I'll go run. And I just run every morning.

1018
00:50:48,801 --> 00:50:49,601
Speaker 1: It's ritual. You know.

1019
00:50:49,641 --> 00:50:52,241
Speaker 2: I'm up, shoes on at the door, and I love

1020
00:50:52,281 --> 00:50:54,561
Speaker 2: to be out there, breathing in that first fresh air,

1021
00:50:54,761 --> 00:50:58,281
Speaker 2: seeing that first light. And it's something that gives me

1022
00:50:58,441 --> 00:51:00,921
Speaker 2: value each day of who I am. It gives me worth,

1023
00:51:00,961 --> 00:51:03,361
Speaker 2: it gives me some sort of purpose. I feel good

1024
00:51:03,561 --> 00:51:06,841
Speaker 2: and I can then project it on others. Did you

1025
00:51:06,921 --> 00:51:10,801
Speaker 2: find that for you mentally being able to maintain that

1026
00:51:10,881 --> 00:51:14,081
Speaker 2: standard that you set yourself, not that you've been dictated

1027
00:51:14,121 --> 00:51:16,841
Speaker 2: and told to because we lose all valuable control. We've

1028
00:51:16,841 --> 00:51:18,801
Speaker 2: got nothing in the year you stripped of everything, and

1029
00:51:18,801 --> 00:51:21,361
Speaker 2: this is the only thing that you can control. Is

1030
00:51:21,441 --> 00:51:24,001
Speaker 2: like you said, right in that moment in your cell,

1031
00:51:24,161 --> 00:51:27,001
Speaker 2: what you choose to do. You're not relying on the

1032
00:51:27,001 --> 00:51:29,041
Speaker 2: screws to tell you how to do it. You're doing

1033
00:51:29,081 --> 00:51:32,561
Speaker 2: it on your own. A court, did you find that

1034
00:51:32,561 --> 00:51:35,041
Speaker 2: that that was something that gave you a lot of peace,

1035
00:51:35,521 --> 00:51:40,161
Speaker 2: I guess getting through your hardships and stuff also in jail. Yeah.

1036
00:51:40,201 --> 00:51:43,001
Speaker 1: Look, I mean I think it was like you said,

1037
00:51:43,041 --> 00:51:45,121
Speaker 1: it was a stand that I set, and it's you know,

1038
00:51:45,441 --> 00:51:47,081
Speaker 1: it was a discipline that I set, and it was

1039
00:51:47,121 --> 00:51:49,921
Speaker 1: an expectation I set upon myself to Yeah, I mean,

1040
00:51:49,921 --> 00:51:51,921
Speaker 1: when I'm in segro Broth for years, the last thing

1041
00:51:51,961 --> 00:51:53,401
Speaker 1: you want to do, you know, you're not getting out

1042
00:51:53,401 --> 00:51:53,761
Speaker 1: of the cell.

1043
00:51:54,801 --> 00:51:57,561
Speaker 2: I loved it. I did Garcia, I did at the Bay,

1044
00:51:57,601 --> 00:52:00,761
Speaker 2: And the best part about it was when we got

1045
00:52:00,841 --> 00:52:04,041
Speaker 2: the yard was the line one boy cook And you

1046
00:52:04,081 --> 00:52:05,561
Speaker 2: know what I mean, I won't say who was there with,

1047
00:52:05,681 --> 00:52:07,361
Speaker 2: they know who they were. And I was with a

1048
00:52:07,401 --> 00:52:09,681
Speaker 2: solid crew all. Also his Goldie was a sweeper at

1049
00:52:09,721 --> 00:52:12,961
Speaker 2: one stage. Ye know, I say no more than that,

1050
00:52:13,121 --> 00:52:15,761
Speaker 2: and the rest is you know who was there. So

1051
00:52:16,201 --> 00:52:17,721
Speaker 2: you know, there was a couple of mad boys that

1052
00:52:17,761 --> 00:52:19,961
Speaker 2: they're doing big wax, you know. And the thing was

1053
00:52:20,761 --> 00:52:25,081
Speaker 2: if if you're accepted and they didn't mind or knew,

1054
00:52:26,321 --> 00:52:28,241
Speaker 2: you can look forward to the line coming through on

1055
00:52:28,321 --> 00:52:34,961
Speaker 2: the bag fee. Yeah, just just little things like that

1056
00:52:34,961 --> 00:52:37,001
Speaker 2: that meant a lot. I mean, Christmas was the worst

1057
00:52:37,001 --> 00:52:39,241
Speaker 2: in it, but then you know what I mean, we'd

1058
00:52:39,241 --> 00:52:42,561
Speaker 2: be sharing tins of oysters, smoke oysters and sardines and

1059
00:52:43,041 --> 00:52:47,401
Speaker 2: like future. But there's some Jackson. The next minute you're like,

1060
00:52:47,441 --> 00:52:48,241
Speaker 2: that's a mad.

1061
00:52:48,081 --> 00:52:51,321
Speaker 1: Christmas Day, Marse, you know.

1062
00:52:53,121 --> 00:52:56,161
Speaker 2: But you're right. You're the last to be fed and

1063
00:52:56,281 --> 00:52:58,721
Speaker 2: you're stripped of the screws. So you know, you don't

1064
00:52:58,721 --> 00:53:00,521
Speaker 2: get yard time every day, you don't get a phone

1065
00:53:00,561 --> 00:53:03,601
Speaker 2: good time. You're lucky if you get male games at

1066
00:53:03,601 --> 00:53:07,121
Speaker 2: a play and half the time, if you're not liked

1067
00:53:07,161 --> 00:53:09,241
Speaker 2: in there, you're going to have a hard time. Even

1068
00:53:09,281 --> 00:53:12,161
Speaker 2: if you think that you're safe, you're not save now.

1069
00:53:12,481 --> 00:53:14,681
Speaker 1: So I mean, like even I used to have those

1070
00:53:14,801 --> 00:53:17,841
Speaker 1: you know that have that be presentable, even in non

1071
00:53:17,881 --> 00:53:20,281
Speaker 1: sacrad normal, normal job. I'd like to be up. The

1072
00:53:20,361 --> 00:53:22,161
Speaker 1: last thing I ever wanted is some screwid looking and say,

1073
00:53:22,241 --> 00:53:26,121
Speaker 1: look at this lazy basketard line around here, And yes, yeah,

1074
00:53:26,601 --> 00:53:30,201
Speaker 1: I'd hate for someone like like a like a screw

1075
00:53:30,321 --> 00:53:31,881
Speaker 1: to be thinking out of me, you know what I mean.

1076
00:53:32,281 --> 00:53:35,161
Speaker 1: So I hold myself to a standard. And but I mean,

1077
00:53:35,281 --> 00:53:38,481
Speaker 1: it was it became it started off like that way.

1078
00:53:38,521 --> 00:53:40,161
Speaker 1: You know, it's not if I want to be ready,

1079
00:53:40,201 --> 00:53:41,961
Speaker 1: I want to be ready if anything happens, anyone runs in,

1080
00:53:42,001 --> 00:53:43,601
Speaker 1: I'm ready, my shoes are on, I'm good to go.

1081
00:53:44,161 --> 00:53:47,721
Speaker 1: Then it became like a habit or I guess my

1082
00:53:47,841 --> 00:53:50,321
Speaker 1: routine that I would be up, I'd be ready. Then

1083
00:53:50,361 --> 00:53:52,281
Speaker 1: it became like a dietary thing. I'd have my breakfast

1084
00:53:52,321 --> 00:53:54,081
Speaker 1: on fieled up to go start training. I don't have

1085
00:53:54,121 --> 00:53:55,401
Speaker 1: to go and walk around. I can just put them

1086
00:53:55,441 --> 00:53:57,361
Speaker 1: straight on the phone, call home and straight into it.

1087
00:53:57,761 --> 00:54:01,041
Speaker 1: Then it became a discipline, you know, over the years,

1088
00:54:01,121 --> 00:54:02,801
Speaker 1: you know, the motivation whereas if I don't want to

1089
00:54:02,801 --> 00:54:06,121
Speaker 1: get up, I'm tired, but it and you're going to

1090
00:54:06,121 --> 00:54:07,761
Speaker 1: get up, and you're going to stand there, You're going

1091
00:54:07,761 --> 00:54:09,961
Speaker 1: to wait for your bought to be open, and then

1092
00:54:10,161 --> 00:54:12,401
Speaker 1: you know, going to segree over the years, I know

1093
00:54:12,921 --> 00:54:14,281
Speaker 1: a lot of the times I'm not going to get it,

1094
00:54:14,361 --> 00:54:16,841
Speaker 1: not even going to get my yard. So the last

1095
00:54:16,841 --> 00:54:19,681
Speaker 1: thing that you want, gee, no, no way. So what

1096
00:54:19,961 --> 00:54:22,321
Speaker 1: would I get up at six o'clock in the morning

1097
00:54:22,321 --> 00:54:23,881
Speaker 1: when they're not going to come kick you looking into

1098
00:54:24,081 --> 00:54:25,561
Speaker 1: mine and you're not even going to get out?

1099
00:54:25,561 --> 00:54:26,841
Speaker 2: Why would I get up and put my shoes on?

1100
00:54:27,521 --> 00:54:29,321
Speaker 2: So it became the other things. The other thing I

1101
00:54:29,441 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: said to people was to educate yourself in there. Read

1102
00:54:31,961 --> 00:54:34,241
Speaker 2: because that's about the only thing. Read the Quran, read

1103
00:54:34,281 --> 00:54:36,601
Speaker 2: the Bible, Read and read whatever you can get your

1104
00:54:36,601 --> 00:54:39,241
Speaker 2: hands and they get a hold of it. And educate yourself.

1105
00:54:39,561 --> 00:54:42,721
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. But I mean, you know, I guess that's

1106
00:54:42,721 --> 00:54:45,161
Speaker 1: sort of where those sort of disciplines came from. Just

1107
00:54:45,441 --> 00:54:47,561
Speaker 1: it became habits of doing something I didn't want to do,

1108
00:54:47,641 --> 00:54:49,401
Speaker 1: just because I told myself I'm going to do it,

1109
00:54:49,481 --> 00:54:51,961
Speaker 1: and I just you know, it's like repetitions. You do

1110
00:54:52,001 --> 00:54:54,321
Speaker 1: anything enough, it just becomes you get better at it

1111
00:54:54,361 --> 00:54:56,601
Speaker 1: and just becomes you abed. So so you.

1112
00:54:56,761 --> 00:54:59,361
Speaker 2: Talk about the time that you've spent. So this is

1113
00:54:59,401 --> 00:55:02,601
Speaker 2: all within the first five years to say go this, this, this,

1114
00:55:02,601 --> 00:55:05,801
Speaker 2: this what we're talking about. Now, let's let's jump forward

1115
00:55:05,801 --> 00:55:07,601
Speaker 2: a bit because there's a lot more to you that

1116
00:55:07,681 --> 00:55:09,521
Speaker 2: I want to get to and it's not all about

1117
00:55:09,881 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 2: what happened in your beginning, but it's context to who

1118
00:55:12,481 --> 00:55:17,121
Speaker 2: you are today. So okay, you do your five You

1119
00:55:18,081 --> 00:55:20,321
Speaker 2: was that full time or was there still parole hanging over?

1120
00:55:20,321 --> 00:55:25,001
Speaker 1: There was still parole, So I actually had that was

1121
00:55:25,321 --> 00:55:27,401
Speaker 1: split out of two charges I don't know the charge

1122
00:55:27,441 --> 00:55:29,001
Speaker 1: and assault charge, which they end up giving me a

1123
00:55:29,041 --> 00:55:33,561
Speaker 1: the time for. So I had that with with Parolo

1124
00:55:33,641 --> 00:55:36,721
Speaker 1: in as well. I did two on the Top as

1125
00:55:36,721 --> 00:55:39,281
Speaker 1: well for that, so I got out, end up going

1126
00:55:39,321 --> 00:55:43,761
Speaker 1: to oberon Young Offenders Program, did the program and do

1127
00:55:43,881 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: you earn what.

1128
00:55:44,401 --> 00:55:46,361
Speaker 2: They call a C two or is yeah, you would

1129
00:55:46,361 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 2: have c C two.

1130
00:55:47,801 --> 00:55:50,841
Speaker 1: I got my C two with five months Togo. I

1131
00:55:50,921 --> 00:55:55,761
Speaker 1: finally got my seat too, And it was only because

1132
00:55:55,761 --> 00:55:59,081
Speaker 1: I was sweeper one, super far up and lock me up.

1133
00:55:59,041 --> 00:56:01,201
Speaker 2: Will you? It's like five o'clock. It's too late.

1134
00:56:01,601 --> 00:56:06,841
Speaker 1: Yeah, coming out and clicking the doors was like, well,

1135
00:56:06,841 --> 00:56:08,001
Speaker 1: I was having him to get out there.

1136
00:56:08,041 --> 00:56:08,201
Speaker 5: Man.

1137
00:56:08,441 --> 00:56:10,401
Speaker 1: I was super and baptist to be one two out

1138
00:56:10,441 --> 00:56:14,001
Speaker 1: there for about a year. So the CASSO manager over there,

1139
00:56:14,041 --> 00:56:16,841
Speaker 1: he wasn't a screw, just a civvy, but he he

1140
00:56:16,921 --> 00:56:19,961
Speaker 1: was always talking to us, you know. And I said,

1141
00:56:20,361 --> 00:56:21,521
Speaker 1: and he goes, what do you want to do? You know,

1142
00:56:21,881 --> 00:56:24,321
Speaker 1: got push for your for your Casso, And I said, yeah,

1143
00:56:24,401 --> 00:56:25,801
Speaker 1: I want to get out to Oprah and I want

1144
00:56:25,801 --> 00:56:26,961
Speaker 1: to go train and I want to I want to

1145
00:56:26,961 --> 00:56:29,161
Speaker 1: do the program. Yeah. So they ended up getting me

1146
00:56:29,161 --> 00:56:31,681
Speaker 1: their lottle toy shot got out there. Mad loved it,

1147
00:56:31,721 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: absolutely loved it. Took heaps away from that program too.

1148
00:56:35,161 --> 00:56:37,281
Speaker 2: But yeah, you become a leader, you become a mentor,

1149
00:56:37,321 --> 00:56:37,721
Speaker 2: didn't you.

1150
00:56:38,121 --> 00:56:39,921
Speaker 1: I ended up going back with my second sentence yet

1151
00:56:39,961 --> 00:56:41,041
Speaker 1: to be a mentor, which was.

1152
00:56:41,001 --> 00:56:43,201
Speaker 2: Like massive, don't let you go back.

1153
00:56:43,561 --> 00:56:45,401
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I went back as a thirty.

1154
00:56:45,521 --> 00:56:48,681
Speaker 2: That's that's not Yeah, that's that's unheard of. Isn't it

1155
00:56:48,761 --> 00:56:51,161
Speaker 2: really like someone to come in doing a big whack

1156
00:56:51,201 --> 00:56:55,041
Speaker 2: that's gone through that that that program, especially being a

1157
00:56:55,041 --> 00:57:00,241
Speaker 2: young offender's program to which you obviously successfully did it. Yeah. Yeah,

1158
00:57:00,601 --> 00:57:04,121
Speaker 2: so then and I will get into the next sentence obviously,

1159
00:57:04,161 --> 00:57:08,041
Speaker 2: but wow, to get that second opportunity to go back

1160
00:57:08,041 --> 00:57:10,001
Speaker 2: as a mental that speaks a lot of her you

1161
00:57:10,001 --> 00:57:12,081
Speaker 2: you as a man and a character of who you are.

1162
00:57:12,281 --> 00:57:14,721
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. And that's that is true, you know,

1163
00:57:14,801 --> 00:57:18,001
Speaker 1: And and the fact they actually to push that point,

1164
00:57:18,041 --> 00:57:20,521
Speaker 1: they actually reached out to me and said, you know,

1165
00:57:20,561 --> 00:57:21,921
Speaker 1: would like to have you back as a new They

1166
00:57:21,921 --> 00:57:24,001
Speaker 1: got them, you know, they call me that's essentially the

1167
00:57:24,081 --> 00:57:26,881
Speaker 1: mental Yes. But yes, so I got out of there,

1168
00:57:27,041 --> 00:57:33,361
Speaker 1: got out of over, and I had my daughter was

1169
00:57:33,361 --> 00:57:35,321
Speaker 1: born when I was in that sentence. My wife was

1170
00:57:35,801 --> 00:57:37,721
Speaker 1: feel pregnant, you know, just before I went in, so

1171
00:57:38,201 --> 00:57:42,001
Speaker 1: she was lit toddler when to come home. And yes,

1172
00:57:42,081 --> 00:57:45,481
Speaker 1: so she was having fun and I sort of got

1173
00:57:45,481 --> 00:57:47,441
Speaker 1: straight back into work. But if you're know, I'm not

1174
00:57:47,481 --> 00:57:50,161
Speaker 1: going to lie. Yeah, you know, I got out of

1175
00:57:50,281 --> 00:57:54,081
Speaker 1: I got out of Actually I did. I did give

1176
00:57:55,081 --> 00:57:56,961
Speaker 1: I did give it a crack, you know, doing the

1177
00:57:57,001 --> 00:58:01,281
Speaker 1: right thing. I got out, like I said, I just

1178
00:58:01,441 --> 00:58:06,681
Speaker 1: I didn't have a traumatic experuseance, so I didn't have

1179
00:58:06,721 --> 00:58:10,601
Speaker 1: anything really to deter me from going back. If that

1180
00:58:10,681 --> 00:58:15,401
Speaker 1: makes sense, that's done. That's that's the truth. And obviously

1181
00:58:15,481 --> 00:58:20,081
Speaker 1: I met some good boys, and you know a lot

1182
00:58:20,121 --> 00:58:24,121
Speaker 1: of them promised me by world as well. Outlysses yeah, yeah,

1183
00:58:24,121 --> 00:58:27,161
Speaker 1: I got plenty of analysis and bookcase full of them,

1184
00:58:27,641 --> 00:58:28,201
Speaker 1: bookcase for.

1185
00:58:28,681 --> 00:58:34,041
Speaker 2: They're good ad to study on brother one hundred percent.

1186
00:58:34,281 --> 00:58:38,241
Speaker 2: But you know, due respect and credit. Whilst I was there,

1187
00:58:39,001 --> 00:58:40,921
Speaker 2: and I won't go into too much detail, there was

1188
00:58:41,001 --> 00:58:45,121
Speaker 2: certain certain boys, solid boys that you would know that

1189
00:58:45,761 --> 00:58:48,561
Speaker 2: you know, if my missus needed anything, that was done,

1190
00:58:49,441 --> 00:58:52,641
Speaker 2: there was never a question. Like their reach and ability

1191
00:58:52,681 --> 00:58:56,841
Speaker 2: to make things happen is very, very real. And you know,

1192
00:58:56,961 --> 00:58:59,161
Speaker 2: like if we were struggling or there was some money

1193
00:58:59,161 --> 00:59:01,201
Speaker 2: that we needed and it was never asked for, it returned,

1194
00:59:01,201 --> 00:59:03,121
Speaker 2: there was no favors asked, there was nothing that was

1195
00:59:03,201 --> 00:59:07,161
Speaker 2: just genuine brother would And so I must say, like

1196
00:59:07,281 --> 00:59:09,121
Speaker 2: from a point of view of somebody that has linked

1197
00:59:09,161 --> 00:59:11,601
Speaker 2: in experience, that there is a lot of respect there

1198
00:59:11,641 --> 00:59:15,441
Speaker 2: for a lot of the boys. And I don't never forget.

1199
00:59:15,121 --> 00:59:18,881
Speaker 1: That way, absolutely not. Not. Well, yeah, like I was

1200
00:59:18,921 --> 00:59:21,201
Speaker 1: saying earlier, you know, there's there is that there is,

1201
00:59:21,881 --> 00:59:24,161
Speaker 1: there are brothers out there in the world. You know

1202
00:59:24,401 --> 00:59:28,361
Speaker 1: there are. But yeah, I mean I got out and

1203
00:59:28,441 --> 00:59:32,041
Speaker 1: I learned a lot about myself. I matured not much.

1204
00:59:32,161 --> 00:59:33,921
Speaker 1: I was still a think about twenty three or something,

1205
00:59:35,441 --> 00:59:40,561
Speaker 1: and I was just I just knew. I just saw

1206
00:59:40,561 --> 00:59:42,761
Speaker 1: a potential. You know that. I said I I could

1207
00:59:42,761 --> 00:59:45,521
Speaker 1: take this to the next level. I backed myself.

1208
00:59:45,561 --> 00:59:48,521
Speaker 3: You know, Photo Record, don't try and make you uncomfortable.

1209
00:59:49,561 --> 00:59:52,601
Speaker 3: Photo Record, You ain't trying world any stuff for your

1210
00:59:52,841 --> 00:59:55,961
Speaker 3: Photo Record lab on me going hard the way way.

1211
00:59:56,121 --> 01:00:00,081
Speaker 3: Photo Record ain't trying to link, No, trying to Wedged

1212
01:00:01,081 --> 01:00:07,681
Speaker 3: for the red yeah, photo ragged for the right for

1213
01:00:07,881 --> 01:00:09,881
Speaker 3: the rigging fort the rigging