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Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gadigal Land, Always was, always

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Speaker 1: sal And this is two broad Chicks, the show that

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Speaker 1: shares life lessons and tips to help make you rich

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Speaker 1: in life. And Welcome to another episode of News Arrivals.

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Speaker 1: The trending topic Stars and Tidbits Express shipped to your Earhels.

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Speaker 1: I love saying that tidbits tittybits. But today we have

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Speaker 1: a very very juicy News Rivals. There's scandals left in

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Speaker 1: right scanles. Okay, shall we jump straight in?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's do it?

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Speaker 1: Use Arrivals number one. MC Beauty back in the courtroom

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Speaker 1: after glow Recipes sues for copying. It continues, Saga continues,

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Speaker 1: Saga continues. So glow Recipe is taking on MC Beauty,

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Speaker 1: accusing in the Australian Beauty brand of trade dress infringement,

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Speaker 1: false advertising and unfair competition in a new lawsuit in

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Speaker 1: connection with its Hydrate and Glow Ultra jew serum, a

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Speaker 1: product that glow Recipe claims is a deliberate copy of

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Speaker 1: its best selling watermelon glow Niacinamide jew drops. So, according

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Speaker 1: to the fashion law in the newly filed complaint, as

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Speaker 1: first reported by TfL. Glow Recipe, which is known for

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Speaker 1: its fruit infused skincare formulas, alleges that MCO Beauty designed, packaged, marketed,

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Speaker 1: and sold a product that is confusingly similar to its

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Speaker 1: jew drops, right down to the product's pink color scheme,

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Speaker 1: spherical bottle shape, rectangular labeling, and the overall visual representation.

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Speaker 1: The problem, according to glow Recipe, is that MCO Beauty

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Speaker 1: has not only co opted the look of the bottle itself,

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Speaker 1: but also employs nearly identical language and marketing tactics that

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Speaker 1: are likely to confuse consumer. Now, this is not anything

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Speaker 1: new to mc beauty strategy. Yeah, So, glow Recipe sets

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Speaker 1: out claims of trade dress infringement, false advertising, and unfair competition,

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Speaker 1: and is seeking injunction relief and monetary damages, asking the

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Speaker 1: court to prohibit mc beauty from continuing to sell or

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Speaker 1: market the allegedly infringing products, as well as to order

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Speaker 1: the destruction of all infringing goods.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: We have seen a lot of brands call out MC

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Speaker 1: beauty for their copying, and I do think at this

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Speaker 1: point of their business, I think it has taken a

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Speaker 1: step further than jeops. I'm not going to tell anyone

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Speaker 1: how to spend their money. My thought on this is

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Speaker 1: that duopes are going to exist. We're in a cost

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Speaker 1: of living crisis, and there are certain products that it's

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Speaker 1: like a duop of. It's a glowy foundation, and so

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Speaker 1: the result is a jupe. That's how I look at jups.

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Speaker 1: Like you could have the Georgio Rmani Luminus silk foundation, right,

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Speaker 1: and there's a Laurel jupe. The bottle doesn't look the same,

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Speaker 1: but the effect looks the same. That's a dupe to me.

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Speaker 1: What I kind of think is ethically wrong with this

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Speaker 1: off the testing and failure of other businesses, son down

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Speaker 1: to the design. So let's take you know, glow recipe

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Speaker 1: for example. They've launched multiple products. Some of them have

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Speaker 1: been successful and gone viral, like the watermelon jew drops,

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Speaker 1: some of them haven't. But then being able to sit

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Speaker 1: now let's just replicate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they kind of cherry pick the best, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: And that's where I have started to be like, I

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Speaker 1: the graphic design and the design of the packaging. That

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Speaker 1: then MC beauty doesn't have to absorb that cost of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well they don't have to go through you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so glow Recipe is going for even more.

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Speaker 1: The company is also requesting an accounting of m co

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Speaker 1: Beauty's profits and treble damages for what it allegers is

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Speaker 1: wilful and deliberate infringement. Glow Recipe argues that MC Beauty's

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Speaker 1: activities have caused reputational and monetary harm and that unless

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Speaker 1: the court intervenes, the infringement will continue. They also joined

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Speaker 1: to other brands, Tart Cosmetics and Keem Corp, who have

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Speaker 1: am very interested to see what happens. Recently, Charlotte Hillbury

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Speaker 1: her speech was saying, you know, our products are unlike

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And they did that whole campaign around it where

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think there is another side to this argument,

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Speaker 1: value and bring that to the consumer. And I get

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, how can you do that legally? Like

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Speaker 1: you how do you get that formula? How do you

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Speaker 1: make sure and again I don't think that we can

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Speaker 1: say no, they this brand owns power grip primers.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think having an entire business model based

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Speaker 1: that cost is ethical.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's all the way down to the marketing,

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Speaker 3: Like, Yeah, it's definitely a tricky one and there's lots

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Speaker 3: of nuance to it. Okay, So our next news arrivals

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Speaker 3: is buy now pay Later services will now require a

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Speaker 3: But from Tuesday the tenth of June, buy now pay

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Speaker 3: Later products including after pay, Zip and Klana will be

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Speaker 3: regulated in the same way as credit products. The new

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Speaker 3: legislation requires buy now Pay Later providers to hold an

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Speaker 3: So existing buy now pay later accounts apparently won't be

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Speaker 3: required to undergo a credit check, but the use of

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Speaker 3: the services may affect your credit score. Well, yeah, because

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Speaker 3: now these services are being regulated like other credit products.

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Speaker 1: If you don't pay your after pay, Yeah, missed or

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Speaker 1: late payments will affect your credit score. It could affect

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Speaker 2: It is scary.

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Speaker 1: It's scary, but it's good because I think the habit

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Speaker 1: what I think is scary is how many eighteen year

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Speaker 1: that the gravity of this maybe wouldn't hit them, and

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Speaker 1: a really bad credit score because the education around buy now,

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Speaker 1: paid later services wasn't strong enough. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: And if you're not familiar with what a credit score is,

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Speaker 3: it's essentially a reflection of your financial history and it

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Speaker 2: Again, this is something that we probably should be taught

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Speaker 1: Would be great, Yeah, it would be so nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I completely agree, And even for people

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Speaker 1: People have previously had a little bit of a nonchalant.

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Speaker 3: Trying to ensure that people aren't using buying now pay

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Speaker 3: after pay and ZIP have claimed that these changes won't

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Speaker 1: And a lot of people are going to be closing

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Speaker 3: But again, how these things are reflected apparently are going

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Speaker 2: But this is just your.

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Speaker 3: Friend psasa that these changes are happening and to look

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, spicy, and we're onto our final dish of spice.

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Speaker 1: News Arrivals number three Choice study finds that only four

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Speaker 1: out of twenty sunscreens meet their SVF claims on the packaging.

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Speaker 1: My god, dad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I saw this headline last night. Yeah, Alex

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Speaker 3: is definitely bringing this to News arrivals. Oh yeah, so

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Speaker 3: I didn't click into anything.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'm so proud of you.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I've gotta hold off.

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Speaker 1: Sixteen of them failed to meet their SBF claims. They

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we're going on holidays.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to you chicks for having us in your ear holes.

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