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Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, March ten, twenty twenty six. An Egyptian man

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Speaker 1: jailed over a domestic stabbing has won the right to

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Speaker 1: the world break news twenty four to seven, an ABC

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Speaker 1: reporters very sweary outing on social media and the latest

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Speaker 1: twist in Kyle and Jackie O's breakup with their two

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollar radio deal. Today, The Australian's Diary editor

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Speaker 1: Steve Jackson is here with the biggest yarns in media,

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Speaker 1: including why nine superstar Kyle Stefanovic would be reinventing himself

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Speaker 1: as an anti vaxxer. Steve Jackson is The Australian's Media

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Speaker 1: Diary editor, Steve. No one is safe from you, not

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Speaker 1: even when they're out trying to have a quiet dinner

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Speaker 1: on a Friday night in Sydney. What are you doing

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Speaker 1: to poor Mark Wilson from the ABC?

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Speaker 2: The most surprising thing is that anyone recognized him. He's

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Speaker 2: on a quiet night out at a restaurant. In Pot's point. Look,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be honest. I wouldn't recognize him in

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Speaker 2: a lineup, but somehow the restauranteur has recognized him. And

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Speaker 2: she's quite famous for doing what she calls barn me TV.

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Speaker 2: She's got a bag, yet there's a microphone in it.

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Speaker 2: She films herself interviewing celebrities and ABC reporters at a

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Speaker 2: restaurant and had a bit of a chat with him. Somehow, somehow,

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Speaker 2: he hasn't realized that this is a hot mic moment

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Speaker 1: Come on the camera and the microphone. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: easy to make these mistakes, Jacko. If you're not experienced

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Speaker 2: Like giveaway speaking into a microphone, now that's not going

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Speaker 2: to be for anything. Surely he's an experienced on on

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Speaker 2: air broadcaster. I didn't I didn't realize talking into a microphone.

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Speaker 1: He's essentially the tables have been turned because he's being

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Speaker 1: vox popped about what he thinks about the fact that

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Speaker 1: this restaurant is in a feud with City of Sydney

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Speaker 1: Council about whether or not it's allowed to have tables

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Speaker 1: and chairs out on a public footpath. Now, this is

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Speaker 1: an existential crisis for this particular restaurant. The restaurateur, Naji

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Speaker 1: Chu is very forthright. She's she's got a bit of

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Speaker 1: a blue tongue. She's vocal, she's vocal, and she's happy

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Speaker 1: to recruit anyone to her cause of fighting Sydney City Council.

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Speaker 1: The question is should Mark Wilsey have joined in. Let's

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Speaker 1: have a look at what he said.

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Speaker 3: Streets of that time, like, guess your care. You know

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Speaker 3: what this awesome.

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Speaker 4: From I'm paying taxes, give me a medal.

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Speaker 3: Here we go, so nice to see you live come back.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you don't have to go to Vietnam to

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Speaker 3: get a live right now, he'd actually in.

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Speaker 1: Australia, Jack, you're from Queensland and you pay taxes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I don't mention it in every sentence.

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Speaker 2: So I do love that he's gone all state of origin.

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Speaker 2: If in doubt, just say I'm from Queensland.

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Speaker 1: So just to be Devil's advocate here, it's okay for

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Speaker 1: him to have an opinion about Sydney politics, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Clover Wore is the polarizing figure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well everyone's allowed to have an opinion. He's in

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Speaker 2: he's on his off time and and like it's quite funny.

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Speaker 2: The ABC said that he's obviously in jest, and and

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Speaker 2: he is. He's he's having a great night. He looks

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Speaker 2: like he's having a great time. It sounds like he's

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Speaker 2: having a fantastic time. It clearly is. It's at the

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Speaker 2: point where someone comes up to you at a restaurant

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Speaker 2: going can you speak into the bread roll microphone? Where

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Speaker 2: you are a broadcaster? Now you've been out to restaurants,

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Speaker 2: I'd take it if someone came ending that to you,

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Speaker 2: is your response, Hey, F them and F this, and

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Speaker 2: I'm from Admittedly you're not from Queensland. You can't claim

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Speaker 2: that sort of heritage. But is that how you react

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Speaker 2: knowing Let's face it, every phone is a camera. Everything

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The ABC has a long running battle with its

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Speaker 1: stars understanding the difference between their private and their public lives,

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Speaker 1: whether it's okay for them to comment on things on

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Speaker 1: all media professionals struggle with because we were all encouraged

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Speaker 1: at one point to have social media followings of our

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Speaker 1: own and express opinions. If those opinions are problematic for

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Speaker 1: your employer, that's where you strike trouble. And Mark Willis's

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Speaker 2: Well not I have, because the second I send across

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Speaker 2: this video on Sunday, I got three or four emails

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Speaker 2: Joe Puccini asking for permission to see this clip. Gavin Fang,

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Speaker 2: and said, look, he doesn't know, he doesn't know anything

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Speaker 2: about council politics, And quite clearly I agree. He's not

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Speaker 2: actually making political commentary on clover More, although he does

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Speaker 2: mention her, and he's not talking about specific council rules

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Speaker 2: or regulations. He's just going street side dining ef and brilliant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if his next investigation is about me standards

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Speaker 1: in the City of Sydney, he might have to absent

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Speaker 1: himself or at least make it disc closure. Someone else

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Speaker 1: who is very free with his opinions these days is

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Speaker 1: Karl Stefanovic, the former and long serving host of The

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Speaker 1: Today Show. I said for he's actually nearly former, isn't he, Jaco,

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Speaker 1: He's on his last legs.

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Speaker 2: Well, it certainly sounds like it, and the interesting thing

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Speaker 2: for me, but the astonishing thing for me is the

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Speaker 2: way this has been handled by nine. Look, we've been

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Speaker 2: talking about this last year. We know, we revealed that

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Speaker 2: initially they wanted to get rid of Sarah Arbo. Unofficially

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Speaker 2: they've never confirmed that, but they wanted to parachute Samantha

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Speaker 2: Arminitch into that role because they know that she's got

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Speaker 2: a following and they thought, let's spice it up because

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Speaker 2: the Today Show has lost in the national ratings for

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Speaker 2: as long as Karl's been there, So you know, they've

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Speaker 2: been working through plans. This is, as much as our

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Speaker 2: readers like to tell me, on top of who cares

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Speaker 2: no one, what's his free to are, this is still

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Speaker 2: Karl Stefanovik went into his bosses and that includes Fiona

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Speaker 2: dr and the Bengali of all things television talent at nine,

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Speaker 2: Michael Healy, and said can you give us one more year?

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Speaker 2: And can Sarah stay on with me for this extra year?

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Speaker 2: And they've given it to him. It's come with a

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Speaker 1: On which he's rebranded himself as the truth teller? You know,

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Speaker 1: the matter is not afraid to share his opinions anymore.

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Speaker 2: I mean the thing is from the nine perspective of

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Speaker 2: your independent podcast, Yeah, sure, go to your little side

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Speaker 2: project that no one's going to watch. What they didn't

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Speaker 2: realize is that Carl would use that umbrella permission for

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Speaker 2: reviews that he is secretly held along held at nine

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Speaker 2: that he hasn't been able to say. And I mocked

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Speaker 2: been the Karl Stefanovic show for twenty years. You haven't

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Speaker 2: held anything back. Turns out he has been holding stuff

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Speaker 2: side of Karl Stefanovic that Team Player nine network front

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's watch a little bit of Karl Stefanovic talking

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Speaker 1: about the subject that until now he's been too shy

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Speaker 4: Can we talk about COVID for a little bit, because

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Speaker 4: it's often mentioned in the comments. Like I said, I

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Speaker 4: read them more because I'm genuinely interested in how people

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Speaker 4: that I supported the COVID JAB and I have regrets

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Speaker 4: What I do believe is that we should have been

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Speaker 4: have taken that step further and been part of a campaign.

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Speaker 4: And I'm legitimately sorry for that because I don't know

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Speaker 1: The campaign that he's talking about is getting the COVID

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Speaker 1: jab live on TV, which you know the Today Shows,

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Speaker 1: advertisers and every sensible person in Australia was also doing.

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Speaker 1: The COVID vaccine was the way we reopened our economy.

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Speaker 1: It saved would have saved thousands of lives, and it's

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Speaker 1: part of the incredible safety and benefit of vaccines in

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Speaker 1: Australia that have you know, saved us from diseases like

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Speaker 1: polio and measles. Why the hell is Karl Steffanovick suddenly

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, unfortunately I have to say Carl's a hundred

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Speaker 2: percent wrong with what he's saying. Every media outlet acting

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Speaker 2: responsibly bend it together to go. Let's not put fear

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Speaker 2: into the community. Let's encourage everyone because this is what

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Speaker 1: I agree, it's completely irresponsible and the point of the

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Speaker 1: media is to counter disinformation. It was not just on

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Speaker 1: this His first guest on the show was Pauline Hanson.

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Speaker 1: He is stepping into the far right of Australian politics.

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Speaker 2: Now. He knows what all podcasters find out quite quickly,

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Speaker 2: the right wing algorithm. He started with Pauline Hanson. He's

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Speaker 2: had Barnaby Joyce on, he was with him again at

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Speaker 2: the weekend. He's been talking about, you know, vaccine, skeptic views.

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Speaker 2: He knows these are the things that gets him clicks.

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Speaker 2: He knows this because when he tried to interview Prime

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Speaker 2: Mister Anthony ALBERIZI and I was watching along live. I

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Speaker 2: think about you know, a few thousand we're watching it

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Speaker 2: and posting comments saying soft interview, Why you're letting him

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Speaker 2: a disappointment. So he knows he has driven a fan

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Speaker 2: Joe Bogan. I think he's calling, but he realizes there

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Speaker 2: it quite potentially is a profitable audience. He's got a

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Speaker 2: full time exclusive sponsor now through a gambling giant, and

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Speaker 2: he knows that if you lean into this, that is

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Speaker 2: an audience base you can build. I think it's problematic

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Speaker 2: when he has guests on his show which we have

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Speaker 2: seen and things go unchallenge even with the Paul Enhancent

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Speaker 2: interview he started off on, she's talking about Gina Reinhart

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Speaker 2: being one of Australia's great self made billionaires. Now, Gina

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Speaker 2: Reinhart is without doubt a great Australian in regards to

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Speaker 2: her philanthropy for the Olympic swim team she puts on

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Speaker 2: fireworks in Perth. The one thing she's not is a

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Speaker 2: self made billionaire. And it's not wrong. It's in fact

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Speaker 2: his job to go, Hey, like a lot of what

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Speaker 1: in audio Kyle and Jackie Oh, the story just keeps

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing that's gotten me, and I don't know

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Speaker 2: They've given him fourteen days or we're going to terminate

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's saying I didn't quit. The media narrative out

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Speaker 1: there is really wrong. However, I'm going to remain in

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Speaker 3: What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I don't blame them, but you know, if

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Speaker 2: power to you. But all of a sudden, it feels

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Speaker 2: if this has come. I've got a theory. I've got

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Speaker 2: Well I would be, as I reckon, she's this is

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Speaker 1: Well, apparently she and her business partner are bringing Meghan

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Speaker 2: About rannas fantastic. I mean, like, no, it's fantastic because

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Speaker 2: On the show next week, how to Boil Water.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Meghan Markle could be Kyle's news barring partner.

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Speaker 2: Love Meghan, With Love Meg.

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Speaker 1: No, Jacka, you don't understand. It was always the plan

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Speaker 1: And now she's moving on in independently growing. I think

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Speaker 2: Apparently people always love not making money anymore. It's it's

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's ever wanted to explore new opportunities.

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Speaker 1: I don't want any new opportunities, don't want to explore anything.

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Speaker 1: I can barely cope with the ones I've got now.

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