WEBVTT - Will SA be hit by One Nation’s ‘orange wave’? 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:09.160 I'm Daniel James and you're listening to seven AM. South 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.800 Australia does not usually wake up on election day at 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.640 the center of the national mood. But this morning a 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.320 contest that looks settled on paper is carrying a much 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:21.320 stranger ategy. The government, led by Peter Melamowskis is expected 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:25.239 to win comfortably. The real movement is happening elsewhere in 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:28.400 the noise around one nation. The protest vote in the 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:31.160 middle of a cost of living crisis, gathering around a 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:34.800 once marginal party, and the possibility that a state election 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.000 could end up telling us something bigger about where Australian 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:42.800 politics is heading today. Editor of In Daily Say Belinda 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.840 Willis on the state election that might be a whitewash 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:54.440 for Labor, but a warning for everyone else. It's Saturday, 0:00:54.920 --> 0:01:02.080 March twenty one, Belinda. A lot of people are looking 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:05.040 at South Australia as a test case for how one 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:08.520 nation might go federally and in other states. We've seen 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:12.280 videos of Sky News and Pauline Hanson walking the streets 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:13.720 being formed over by fans. 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:19.440 Hello, this is like random? 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:23.120 Is that genuinely how South Australians are feeling? What's the vibe. 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:27.039 Well, it's an interesting one. Pauline Hanson has been here 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.920 more than usual. She did come here during the federal 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.240 election campaign as well. You know, it has been an 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.840 interesting vibe. South Australia is in a state that normally 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.759 votes one nation. We don't have a single one nation 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:42.080 member in the Upper and Lower House. 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.520 Hello Peter, thanks, thank you very much. 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:47.960 Photo for you. 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:48.600 Thank you. 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.440 Pauline Hanson obviously has been around a long time and 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:52.680 people recognize her. 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.280 Was there any foodage of Pauline Hanson having a pie floater? 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:56.080 For instance? 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.840 I haven't seen having a five flater at this stage. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.680 There has been all sorts of stunes going on here. 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:07.120 She did have a confrontation with the premiere at one 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:10.040 stage leaving one of the media outlets recently, where she 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:13.680 took him to task over some comments he'd raised recently. 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:16.359 But I haven't seen her in a pie floater personally. 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.239 Apart from the pie floater. How much of a present 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:22.760 says she actually had in the state herself in the 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.120 leader to the vote and what are some of the 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:27.160 things that one Nation are offering here? 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:29.240 Well, it is quite fascinating. 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:34.160 This has been an election where at times I wonder 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.160 is the media helping raise the profile rather than the 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:41.320 party itself. I guess it's very difficult in the media 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:44.880 when you cover politics to keep people engaged, and One 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:51.000 Nation obviously is an outlet that does grasp people's attention 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.840 with some of their more out their comments that they make. 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:58.839 So in terms of policy, it feels like there's been 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:03.800 a transferring of the national policies. There's been a huge 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.200 focus on anti migration. 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:10.640 The Premier of South Australia's finally revealed hebacks the immigration 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.080 ponzi scheme. Yep, that's right. We haven't got enough workers 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:16.519 today apparently, so we'll bring some in to care for 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:18.919 the elderly, and when those workers get to old, we'll 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:20.799 just keep bringing more and more and more. 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.560 There has been a lot of talk about the poison 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:27.079 of the left in education institutions and how they want 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:27.880 to stab that out. 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:30.080 I mean, that's the reality of what we're dealing with. 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.840 We've got drag Queen story time, you've got the education. 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:37.000 You're referencing ects a small cohort of that. There's been 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.560 a lot about that politics around the haves and the 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.040 have nots, and there's a lot of people here, like 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.920 people around the nation who are concerned about the rising 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:48.680 cost of living, whether they can afford to buy a house, 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:50.160 whether they can actually rent a. 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:54.120 House found it an independent property analysis group have said 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.440 that if migration was cut by one hundred thousand well 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:01.280 houses would be more affordable. In the face of everything 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.640 the uniparty leadership keep telling us, they've. 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.760 Been calling labor and Liberal parties the UNI parties to 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:11.440 sort of push that agenda even further, that they're the elite, 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:13.640 that they're the haves, you're the have nots. 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:15.119 We're here to speak out for you. 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:18.560 The people South Australia clearly want an effective and strong voice. 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.080 It's going to stick up for them after being let 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.680 down by uniparty politics for far too long. 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:27.680 And Cory Bernardi, who's the essay leader here, also has 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:34.120 been creating little videos on Instagram mocking Aboriginal people at 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:36.360 various institutions around town. 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:38.760 We at the front of the Women's and Children's Hospital. 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.159 It's an institution, but apparently it's now called the Younger 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:47.920 Kicking Yoga. Kuka wildly sender, why why are we doing 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:50.520 this to ourselves? No one knows where that Google Waggly 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.400 center is they just know where that women's and children's 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:54.680 hospital needs to be. 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:58.159 There's sort of little snippets that don't really go into 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:02.440 any detail, but work on divisiveness and that sort of 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:04.640 disaffected voting population. 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:09.839 So the usual one nation stick. Really, what have you 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.400 been hearing from voters who are planning to vote for 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.240 one nation? What are their reasons? Are there local issues 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:17.839 at play here or is it similar case to elsewhere 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.919 around the country where it's all bundled up in a 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:21.839 protest vote. 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:25.880 I think there is a huge element of protest vote 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:30.440 around this. Our most recent polling has shown that the 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:34.280 areas most likely to vote for one nation are actually 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:38.040 in the country regions or out of suburbs. We do 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.120 have a labor government and a lot of people in 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:44.200 the regions traditionally vote liberal. Our Liberal party has been 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:48.640 in disarray. We've had a regular changing of leaders here. 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.440 Our campaign has not been helped at all by having 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:57.400 the federal coalition emploding, and people in the country areas, 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:58.280 a lot of people are. 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.360 Saying that they've had it. They don't feel like they're 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:01.160 being listened to. 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:05.880 And there's this party that is emerging and saying, oh, 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.119 we've got someone you can blame you can blame the 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:10.200 amount of immigrants that are coming in, or you can 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:13.320 blame the party for just pandering to the elite. 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:15.080 So there is an element around that. 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.839 I think, how are the major parties actually trying to 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:21.320 head off one nation, particularly the government who was expected 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.839 to be returned quite comfortably. What have they been doing 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.400 to try and steiny one nation's ascent? 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.000 Well? I don't think how government really has a great 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.800 deal to be concerned about in terms of being returned. 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.760 We have forty seven lower House seats and they currently 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:41.200 hold I think it's twenty nine of those, and the 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:44.640 Liberal Party holds thirteen. There has been i think from 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:48.159 the Labor Party and all seats campaigned that they would 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:50.640 like to clean the place out if. 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:51.520 They possibly could. 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.600 I do think that both leaders of the Liberal and 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:59.000 Labor Party have tiptoed around the issue in the early 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.280 stages of the camp pain that they haven't spoken out 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:06.000 about some of those more concerning statements and policies that 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:07.680 One Nation have been putting forward. 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:09.640 Yesterday, I did hear. 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:14.000 Them during interviews where they were more robust and gradually 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:18.520 have been stronger about picking apart some of those arguments 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.680 that One Nation is making but they've left that run 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:23.880 a bit late, considering we're at the polls. 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:29.520 Today coming up in South Australia, the Canaryan the coal 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.080 mine for one nation in federal politics. 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:47.920 Pauline, I've got to jump in here. 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:49.840 This surprises me. 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:51.840 Right up down Street walks with a lot of politicians 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:55.880 over the years, and you're such a polarizing figure, but 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.040 you're treated like a rock star here. Everybody wants to 0:07:58.040 --> 0:07:59.840 get a photo with you every and most of them 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:01.440 have got kind words to say. 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.280 Christ they have people are are screaming up. All they 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:05.880 want is hope. 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:07.480 They seem to hope for the future. 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.200 What do you think success would look like for one 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:13.320 Nation as the results rolling over the coming days. 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.520 Well, I guess even once it would be a success. 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:22.200 Really, the polls that we have been publishing are showing 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:26.400 that there is the likelihood of definitely one Upper House 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:31.080 seat that Corey Bernardi is likely to pick up, possibly two, 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:34.320 maybe even three in the upper House. The lower House, 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.320 it's you know, no one can really predict what will 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:40.720 happen there. I think that success for them though, would 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:45.040 be that their profile has raised. I think that is 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.959 a good thing for them. Nationally. No matter what, everyone 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.840 seems to be talking about them. The media is talking 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.280 about them a lot more than they have for years. 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:59.720 We're talking about them the surge of oranges everywhere around 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:04.200 the So I think that it's been a successful campaign 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:05.240 for them no matter what. 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:08.400 And what's the worst coast scenario for the Liberal Party 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.360 here because they're polling behind one nation correct. 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:13.840 Yes, that is the case at the moment. They have 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:19.320 had a really tumultuous time. They've very shortly before the election, 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.520 I think like a month out swapped to leaders again. 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:29.120 We've had a former Liberal leader who was convicted around 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:34.320 drug charges. He has popped up again in one of 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.840 the seats. He's challenging Labor and Liberal back in his 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.840 old seat in Black where he's always been very popular. 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.240 The polling is shown that there has. 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:47.280 Been a slight rise in awareness and support for their 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:51.840 new leader, Ashton Hern, who has been like a dynamo 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.440 really on the campaign trail. But she's had a very 0:09:54.480 --> 0:10:00.120 small runway. They could end up with single digit seats. 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:04.360 There's another former Liberal who's standing as an independent who's 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.400 facing domestic violence charges at the moment in the sup 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:10.320 he's to standing against the Liberal member there. You know, 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.240 it's going to be a fascinating day for all of 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.840 us political junkies here. I'm quite excited about seeing how 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:16.760 it all fans out. 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.560 Yeah, we need to get a life, don't we. What 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.880 about what about pre polling? Has there been a big 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.080 turnout in the days before election day? 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:27.000 There has been? There has been. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:32.200 Is it really interesting how strong that has become? Actually, 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:36.120 you know, back in the in the olden days, you know, 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.200 early days of covering politics, it would always be the 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.000 big hurrah would be on the Saturday polling day. But 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.280 these days people get out early. They are all out 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.400 of the booths, all of the candidates are at the booths, 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:52.200 Their people are voting early. So I think it was 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:56.000 only yesterday that the Labor Party released their costings for 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.839 their policies, but a huge number of people would have 0:10:58.880 --> 0:10:59.680 already voted. 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.880 If one nation does manage to convert pole numbers into 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:06.280 actual votes and seats, what do you think that means 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.440 for the rest of the country Pole And could a 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:12.760 strong result in South Australia translate federally or be rooting 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:14.520 too much into this at this stage? 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:18.040 You know, that is really hard to predict. 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.880 I think what it should be doing is giving a 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:27.600 wake up call nationally too, parties that are not addressing 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:32.199 Australians out there who are really concerned about their futures 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:37.080 that they feel disenfranchised and not listened to. They feel 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:40.080 like they haven't been able to have a voice, that 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.640 they can't buy a house like that has always been 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:48.160 the Australian dream that their children, they worry about their futures. 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:49.240 I think it. 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.280 Should be a wake up call for the Labor Party 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.080 around that, and I think that the Liberal and National 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:57.520 Party need to get their act together. There's been quite 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:02.920 a strong move towards the more conservative faction within the 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.800 Liberal Party and I think that as a result they 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.080 have lost a lot of their voters and you've seen 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:13.000 that nationally with the Teals. We haven't got that same 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.800 strength in Teal candidates here. 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:17.640 There will be some people. 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.680 Drifting towards the Greens, and polling has shown that between 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.760 the eighteen and thirty four year range there has been 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:28.240 quite strong polling for them. But I think we have 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:33.880 a very popular premier here in Peter Malanaskar's our Labor premier, 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.320 and he is part of the right faction in the 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.760 Labor Party, So I think they've just been hoovering up 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:43.240 that section of Liberal voters who are traditionally going to 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:46.400 be out there at the polling boost for the Liberal Party. 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.719 The drift towards one nation is likely to sharpen as 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.839 the fuel crisis starts. To buy blender and when people 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.720 are under pressure, governments usually wear the blame. The Prime 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.400 Minister has announced a fuel task force this week. Is 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.800 that going to be enough for voters are already feeling 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:01.200 the strain? 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:05.000 I don't think it'll have any impact whatsoever. We have 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.960 to recognize that there's so many people out there that 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:11.320 don't feel connected with politics, and we know as political 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:15.400 reporters and journalists and editors that we have to work 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:17.800 really hard to try to get buy in from our 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:22.079 readers for stories that are particularly focused on our democracy 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:26.080 and around politics, and it is so important. But there 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.920 has been over the years, you know, that has fallen away. 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:33.800 There's lots of people you know that say, you know, 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.800 they wouldn't vote if they didn't have to, And I 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:40.400 think pulling together something like that around the issues around 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:43.400 fuel isn't going to make any difference whatsoever. If you've 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:46.240 got farmers out there who can't you know, feel their 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:50.640 tractors and preparing for planting out on the farms or 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.320 to be able to truck their good selfwhere. And I 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.560 think that overall, even more so than the impact of 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:00.120 one nation at the moment, we do have such a 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.400 vast difference between the numbers of people supporting our two 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.520 major parties and that labor If it does end up 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:11.240 like Western Australia dominating our parliament, the bigger concern that 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:15.199 I see is that there isn't going to be that scrutiny, 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.520 that there's going to be, you know, sweeping through of 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:22.600 change and legislation that won't have that same impact and 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.960 import from the wider majority of people in the state. 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.360 Well, Blinda, it's going to be a fascinating day. Thanks 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:32.720 for joining us and have a great day. 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:34.680 Thank you so much. 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